The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

Masked Man

QBs can throw the ball on fakes or if the play breaks down.

Iirc it was Belichick that started using punters for it. I have a vague memory of him talking about it in a presser and saying that it made sense to keep the special teams unit

Oat23

Bears signed a new kicker. This lad's kicks are still good even when he double-doinks it so that's progress I suppose.

https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/802364251960553472

eagle eye

brinty wrote:

And eagle eye come off it with the never did it in the play offs stuff.. Did Dan Marino win a Superbowl? If he hasn't he's surely over rated?? I could go on As the main cowboys fan on here I'll say he was unlucky in that he could've won a Superbowl in 16 if he'd not got injured in the pre season. Is he the best Cowboys QB ever? Not even close, he's way behind Aikman whos miles behind staubach but I'd Romo had been in either of those teams get have won multiple Superbowls and talk of his play of record wouldn't matter You judge players on the era they played in and Romo was far from the worst one out there.

I said playoffs not Superbowls.
I never said he was the worst out there. He was a good QB, no doubt about that, but nowhere near elite level.
Like in his era we have had Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Favre, Wilson and Kurt Warner. I'd have Rivers well ahead of him as well.
I'd put him at the same grade but the best of a group that includes Donovan McNabb, Rich Gannon and Carson Palmer.

Foxtrol

brinty wrote: »

And eagle eye come off it with the never did it in the play offs stuff..
Did Dan Marino win a Superbowl? If he hasn't he's surely over rated?? I could go on
As the main cowboys fan on here I'll say he was unlucky in that he could've won a Superbowl in 16 if he'd not got injured in the pre season.
Is he the best Cowboys QB ever? Not even close, he's way behind Aikman whos miles behind staubach but I'd Romo had been in either of those teams get have won multiple Superbowls and talk of his play of record wouldn't matter
You judge players on the era they played in and Romo was far from the worst one out there.

I have my suspicions why they do it, but I’ll never understand how some NFL fans can justify leaning so much on playoff wins when judging players. Obviously, it should be one of many factors in consideration but you rarely hear it raised as much in any other team sport. At times with football it is as if they believe it overrides all other merits of the player in discussion.

jack presley

Oat23 wrote: »

Bears signed a new kicker. This lad's kicks are still good even when he double-doinks it so that's progress I suppose.

You should get an extra point for the double doink FG if it goes through.

eagle eye

Foxtrol wrote:

I have my suspicions why they do it, but I’ll never understand how some NFL fans can justify leaning so much on playoff wins when judging players. Obviously, it should be one of many factors in consideration but you rarely hear it raised as much in any other team sport. At times with football it is as if they believe it overrides all other merits of the player in discussion.

So you are saying that the postseason is unimportant?
Are you saying that clutchness is unimportant?
Exactly how important do you think the postseason is in the overall rating of a QB?

Tristram

eagle eye wrote: »

So you are saying that the postseason is unimportant?
Are you saying that clutchness is unimportant?
Exactly how important do you think the postseason is in the overall rating of a QB?

I don't think that post said either of those two things... :rolleyes:

I interpreted it as quite clearly saying that postseason accomplishments, or lack thereof, shouldn't cause us to overlook a player's regular season achievements.

bruschi

eagle eye wrote: »

I said playoffs not Superbowls.
I never said he was the worst out there. He was a good QB, no doubt about that, but nowhere near elite level.
Like in his era we have had Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Favre, Wilson and Kurt Warner. I'd have Rivers well ahead of him as well.
I'd put him at the same grade but the best of a group that includes Donovan McNabb, Rich Gannon and Carson Palmer.

Can I make a suggestion here? You claim Romo is over rated, by whom, I'm not sure, but anyway we'll move on.

You then place him in a rankings list of other QBs of that era. So before this debate endlessly goes on, let any one who thinks Romo is at the same caliber of Brady, Manning, Ben, Favre, Warner, Wilson or Rivers, then let them say why.

Otherwise, he clearly is not overrated by any on here and rated similarly by everyone as a well above average QB, blighted by injury who could have been better had some fortune fallen his way.

OldMrBrennan83

Tubriskys in the Pro Bowl? How many had to drop out?

Ivefoundgod

Just turned it on there a half hour ago, jesus its grim isn't it? Saw an article suggesting a 3rd place playoff game in place of the Pro Bowl. Would be a much better game i think. This is abysmal, no atmosphere, awful weather (why change to Miami?), played at a snails pace. I get its a bit of a laugh for the players and no one wants to get hurt so don't blame them at all for messing around.

the baby bull elephant

Patww79 wrote: »

Tubriskys in the Pro Bowl? How many had to drop out?

Think all three NFC qbs who were picked originally turned it down. Ryan also turned down his shot to come as an alternate.

Paully D

Just checked the box score - a Jason Garrett led offense scoring 0 points through 3 quarters in the Pro Bowl is the most fitting thing ever :pac:

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

That was brutal. Barely a memorable moment. They should just make it flag to allow bigger plays as it pretty much is anyway. Best play of the game iirc was the Mike Evans interception, and it's not even worth a watch tbh.

3rd place playoff game would make for a far more interesting night. It'd probably be a lot like the 3rd place playoff game at the WC but still miles better than the Pro Bowl. Not too sure many players would get behind it though.

Itssoeasy

I knew the pro bowl was on tonight but fair play to those who watched it as I avoided it like the plague due to previous experience of it being rubbish. Also the fact that ESPN were calling the game made my decision up for me.

BonnieSituation

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

That was brutal. Barely a memorable moment. They should just make it flag to allow bigger plays as it pretty much is anyway. Best play of the game iirc was the Mike Evans interception, and it's not even worth a watch tbh.

3rd place playoff game would make for a far more interesting night. It'd probably be a lot like the 3rd place playoff game at the WC but still miles better than the Pro Bowl. Not too sure many players would get behind it though.

You'd be playing to win a game to get a worse draft pick at that stage! :0

BizzyC

I think for Pro Bowl they should just extend the skills competitions out to something proper.
i.e. have people do a proper sprint competition, longest kick, throw, sled push etc.

Turn it in to a real competition to give the athletes bragging rights over the rest of the NFL.

kmart6

Bragging rights come from rings, not some made up competitions that don't have the best players in it.

irishrover99

The first Monday morning that i haven't been hanging since September.
I love NFL but it takes a lot out of you and i'm kinda glad when i can go to be a bit earlier on a Sunday night.

el Fenomeno

I'd rather let the Pro Bowl be an award/selection that doesn't result in a game.

Pro Bowl weekend would instead be a Draft Pick Playoff - i.e. #1 plays #2, #3 plays #4 etc. and the winner of each game gets the higher pick.

Granted, this means players are playing so that their team can have a better pick to select someone to potentially replace them.

Although I'm perfectly fine with there being a weekend of no football between the Conference Championships and the Super Bowl.

ArmaniJeanss

BonnieSituation wrote: »

You'd be playing to win a game to get a worse draft pick at that stage! :0

They could agree to reverse that just for this bronze medal game (i.e., winner gets #29 in draft, loser #30) and you'd immediately add some level of competitiveness to it. Having it at one of the teams home grounds as well would help attendance and atmosphere also.

I don't think it's the worst idea but would probably be called the Loser Bowl and die a death.

jack presley

Would the players really care about getting pick 29/30? Why should they bust their balls for something so trivial. 20% or so of the roster won’t even be on the team the following year.

brinty

Paully D wrote: »

Just checked the box score - a Jason Garrett led offense scoring 0 points through 3 quarters in the Pro Bowl is the most fitting thing ever :pac:

So in a glorified game of flag football where
1) Zeke and Barkley played on the D Line..
2) Mike Evans had an interception
3) Jalen Ramsey had a receiving touchdown
4) Adam Thielen threw an interception


all you can talk about is the cowboys...

Well I suppose its better to be talked about and feared than not....

raze_them_all_

brinty wrote: »

So in a glorified game of flag football where
1) Zeke and Barkley played on the D Line..
2) Mike Evans had an interception
3) Jalen Ramsey had a receiving touchdown
4) Adam Thielen threw an interception


all you can talk about is the cowboys...

Well I suppose its better to be talked about and feared than not....

I don't think fear means what you think it does

Billy86

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

That was brutal. Barely a memorable moment. They should just make it flag to allow bigger plays as it pretty much is anyway. Best play of the game iirc was the Mike Evans interception, and it's not even worth a watch tbh.

3rd place playoff game would make for a far more interesting night. It'd probably be a lot like the 3rd place playoff game at the WC but still miles better than the Pro Bowl. Not too sure many players would get behind it though.

Probably a good idea but it would need a twist - winner gets pick #29, loser gets #30 maybe? It's not a lot but at least gives them an incentive, and avoids anyone throwing the game (unlikely that far down the draft, but just to be safe). EDIT: Crap, I've been beaten to it by yer man with the fancy jeans.

I'm living in Canada so the Pro Bowl was on at a convenient time whenever it kicked off, but I never even bothered to look. Somehow it seems to have become even more irrelevant over the last decade - moving it to the week before the Superbowl was a bad move for the PB, but the week benefit does benefit the SB and it's run up which is the 'greater good' I suppose.

Billy86

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

I don't think fear means what you think it does

All I could think reading this post was Russell Crowe declaring "I am mortified, petrified, stupefied by you, Jason Garrett!"

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Billy86 wrote: »

Probably a good idea but it would need a twist - winner gets pick #29, loser gets #30 maybe? It's not a lot but at least gives them an incentive, and avoids anyone throwing the game (unlikely that far down the draft, but just to be safe). EDIT: Crap, I've been beaten to it by yer man with the fancy jeans.

I'm living in Canada so the Pro Bowl was on at a convenient time whenever it kicked off, but I never even bothered to look. Somehow it seems to have become even more irrelevant over the last decade - moving it to the week before the Superbowl was a bad move for the PB, but the week benefit does benefit the SB and it's run up which is the 'greater good' I suppose.

Yeah I think a 3rd place playoff is the best alternative, but as said above, a lot of players wouldn't really care if there's only a higher draft pick. 3rd place playoff at WCs are different as it's only once every 4 years, so a bronze there is actually a notable achievement.
Although if it was marketed properly, and they gave it a fancy name with a decent trophy it might have a chance, but I don't see it happening either way.

I've heard the idea of the 2 worst teams battling it out for the top overall draft pick, but again, I doubt the players would be motivated too much by that, and also, if you were coming off a 2-14 season and had to stay training for another 4 weeks you'd be fairly pissed off. Can't see that being accepted by the players either.

OldMrBrennan83

Just have the named team and the skills thing and forget about the game altogether.

Knex*

https://twitter.com/ThePowerSweep/status/1089884371509829632

it's mad to me the connections the media have in the NFL in comparison to the rumour mill of soccer.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Knex. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ThePowerSweep/status/1089884371509829632

it's mad to me the connections the media have in the NFL in comparison to the rumour mill of soccer.

The rumour mill in soccer is fueled by the sheer about of players/clubs that exist in so many countries; there's so many options. It's a small (in comparison) community in the NFL.

In the case of the above, it's quite possible that LaFleur was already told, but played dumb to Schefter. But I'm sure it'll get Schefter a few more followers

Billy86

Knex. wrote: »

it's mad to me the connections the media have in the NFL in comparison to the rumour mill of soccer.

Why what ever could you mean?

jack presley

Knex. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ThePowerSweep/status/1089884371509829632

it's mad to me the connections the media have in the NFL in comparison to the rumour mill of soccer.

Adam Schefter, who also releases private medical records in the name of news.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Billy86 wrote: »

Why what ever could you mean?

Been a while seen since I've seen or heard from Mr Ballbag. Jesus I hope he's still not at it.

Paully D

https://twitter.com/markbullocknfl/status/1089940893539467265?s=21

Cool thread.

jack presley

I bet the play for 3rd and 9 will be have the receiver run a 7 yard route where he will be tackled immediately after catching the ball and result in the punt team coming on. That’s Jay’s move.

Paully D

https://twitter.com/mcclain_on_nfl/status/1090297826456883200?s=21

LOL!

jack presley

Cushing came across as being such a dick that year they were on Hard Knocks.

helimachoptor

Paully D wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mcclain_on_nfl/status/1090297826456883200?s=21

LOL!

steroids for everyone!

Knex*

Paully D wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mcclain_on_nfl/status/1090297826456883200?s=21

LOL!

"Just push harder you pussy"

Wonder how many injuries they'll accrue before the season even kicks off.

jack presley

No more Rob Ryan on Sky Sports. He's taken the ILB Coach job with the Redskins.

Knex*

Speaking of ILBs. I'm struggling to get my head around this take.

https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/1090303340154621953

Paully D

Knex. wrote: »

Speaking of ILBs. I'm struggling to get my head around this take.

https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/1090303340154621953

That’s a very strange take.

Wasn’t Bruschi about 250lbs, whereas Oliver is closer to 300lbs?

Imagine having Oliver lose about 40-50lbs and trying to cover receivers :pac:

You can always count on NFL teams and talent evaluators to completely overthink things instead of just rolling with good prospects for what they are.

Realt Dearg Sec

Julius Peppers has retired. 39 years old, 17 year career, 9 pro bowls, 3 all pro teams, 159.5 sacks.

Hall of Fame for sure, probably first ballot. Whatever about the longevity of Brady, Brees, etc, 17 years at defensive end is an incredible accomplishment.

I remember he was my favourite player with the Bears when I first started getting into football seriously. Was not happy when he went north.

Foxtrol

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Julius Peppers has retired. 39 years old, 17 year career, 9 pro bowls, 3 all pro teams, 159.5 sacks.

Hall of Fame for sure, probably first ballot. Whatever about the longevity of Brady, Brees, etc, 17 years at defensive end is an incredible accomplishment.

I remember he was my favourite player with the Bears when I first started getting into football seriously. Was not happy when he went north.

Apparently only missed 6 games in his career. Crazy for that position.

eagle eye

Great, great player.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

First ballot no doubt. Longevity was incredible. Retired half a sack off the top 3 all time, must be a bit gutted over that.

Realt Dearg Sec

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Julius Peppers has retired. 39 years old, 17 year career, 9 pro bowls, 3 all pro teams, 159.5 sacks.

Hall of Fame for sure, probably first ballot. Whatever about the longevity of Brady, Brees, etc, 17 years at defensive end is an incredible accomplishment.

I remember he was my favourite player with the Bears when I first started getting into football seriously. Was not happy when he went north.

In the conversation for freakiest athlete to ever play the game

Billy86

295lbs with a 4.68 combine, and played considerably faster than that time on occasion, nuff said on that front really.

His attitude was never terrible but a little up-and-down at times early, but he developed into a real model pro - which probably explains how he kept very productive at 39 in a position where you`re doing exceptionally to even keep in the league beyond about 33 years of age.

Itssoeasy

Looking forward to seeing who gets into the Hall of fame tonight. I know the HOF has its problems but this is my favourite non football playing days of the season.

jack presley

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing who gets into the Hall of fame tonight. I know the HOF has its problems but this is my favourite non football playing days of the season.

Even better than the day the schedule gets announced....?????

Itssoeasy

jack presley wrote: »

Even better than the day the schedule gets announced....?????

Maybe I should have said one of my favourite days of the season.