The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

MileHighGuy

Seeing as it's the offseason, how about a 60 minute exploration of punting since 2000 filled with charts and statistical analysis.

j8wk2feszrnpao

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Franchise tag is only team friendly

That's not true. Ask Kirk Cousins. For the Pats, if they used it on Trey Flowers, he'd get close to $18m. It's not typically what players want, but it can work to their advantage as well.

Knex*

Colin Cowherd saying today that Wilson wants to move to NY, mainly because of his wife, Ciara. All seems more than a bit spoofy. I can see Wilson wanting to be a 1 Franchise QB.

https://twitter.com/TheHerd/status/1098289179853606912

jack presley

Colin Cowherd is a tool.

Billy86

When I read "5 Reasons to Replace Russell Wilson" I've already made my mind up before even beginning the first one. You just don't trade someone like Russell Wilson, my guess is it's a nonsense story in the quiet season.

Fromvert

I've only been watching the NFL for a few years so feel free to slate the idea but is there any argument to not have an elite QB on a huge guaranteed contract, even the QB's below elite level have huge contracts, instead you use that money on the rest of the team and go for a rookie QB or a competent veteran that can work in your system?

If the Seahawks were to trade to Wilson, what could they possibly get for him in his final year of his contract?

thomond2006

That's essentially what the Rams are doing. Goff's rookie contract saves them 20m a year and they have been very aggressive in trading and signing free agents.

There's an argument to be made for it. Seahawks and eagles both won superbowls off it and the rams got to one this year. The lroblem is if you don't draft well and get a good qb on a rookie deal you end up dog****. Also If the qb is a success elsewhere its a bad look. Imagine the grief the charger would get for reading brees if they didn't have rivers

brinty

Landon Collins on the way out of new York it looks like
I'm all in on my Cowboys doing everything they can to get him and over Earl Thomas, but he might work or too pricey for us

Paully D

Cowherd makes Skip Bayless look like Ian Rapoport.

“Cowherd is hearing things” - yeah, the voices in his head most likely.

Knex*

I genuinely don't believe Collins is worth the money he'll be looking for. 10m a year for a player with one good season isn't great.

His last two pro bowls he got in on the back of his reputation from 2016, but he's declined since. Last year he was horribly inconsistent even in his tackling.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Paully D wrote: »

Cowherd makes Skip Bayless look like Ian Rapoport.

“Cowherd is hearing things” - yeah, the voices in his head most likely.

It's the off season, they got to have something to keep talking about.

BizzyC

Ah, I think Cowherd is ok... he fills a void of background noise with talk about football.
As long as you in no way respect his own opinions on things, it can be interesting to hear his guests talk...

It's like watching Shannon and Bayliss, Skip is a windbag who always tries to be controversial and makes junk predictions, but that provides Shannon a platform to get all worked up and entertain everyone.

These guys are like cartoon characters, they're not journalists

jack presley

BizzyC wrote: »

Ah, I think Cowherd is ok... he fills a void of background noise with talk about football.
As long as you in no way respect his own opinions on things, it can be interesting to hear his guests talk...

It's like watching Shannon and Bayliss, Skip is a windbag who always tries to be controversial and makes junk predictions, but that provides Shannon a platform to get all worked up and entertain everyone.

These guys are like cartoon characters, they're not journalists

I haven’t listened to him on Fox but he was a joke on ESPN. He’d say one thing one day then the next day he’d say the opposite. And whichever one was right, he’d say he had it.

He also used to suck up to ‘stars’. He’d go on a rant about something but then half an hour later a guest would come on with the opposing view and he’d agree with them then and totally renage on his original stance.

And one time he had an argument with a caller saying his opinion was more valid than the caller’s because he has fanous people’s numbers in his phone.

And don’t get me started on Sean Taylor.

Oat23

:pac:

https://twitter.com/wpbf_tiffany/status/1098987506417233920

Knex*

8 month investigation with 100 people accused. Mental!

Kraft share prices have dropped 27% already.

jack presley

Patriots could probably do with the Mueller report getting released about now.

kmart6

Knex. wrote: »

8 month investigation with 100 people accused. Mental!

Kraft share prices have dropped 27% already.

Pretty sure Kraft Heinz is separate and loss of earnings has led to that.

Itssoeasy

Wait what ? It's not what you expect to hear in fairness. I know I said in the NFL protest thread about players and coaches staying out of trouble in the off season but I'd have never picked Robert kraft as a name to getting in trouble.

el Fenomeno

Knex. wrote: »

Kraft share prices have dropped 27% already.

Kraft Heinz has nothing to do with Robert Kraft. Just a coincidence that they're both in the news.

Itssoeasy

kmart6 wrote: »

Pretty sure Kraft Heinz is separate and loss of earnings has led to that.

Okay but he(Robert kraft) is connected to that brand isn't he ? That's always been my understanding anyway.

el Fenomeno

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Okay but he(Robert kraft) is connected to that brand isn't he ? That's always been my understanding anyway.

Nope, that name comes from a guy called James L. Kraft who started J.L. Kraft & Bros Co. in the early 1900's and sold cheese. That later became Kraft Foods Inc, which later split to become Mondelez International and Kraft Foods Group. The latter merged with Heinz to become Kraft Heinz.

James L. Kraft, the 1900's cheese-monger, happens to be my Mastermind subject of choice. Either that, or I googled it. Whichever reality you prefer!

el Fenomeno

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Wait what ? It's not what you expect to hear in fairness. I know I said in the NFL protest thread about players and coaches staying out of trouble in the off season but I'd have never picked Robert kraft as a name to getting in trouble.

Never trust a man who wears Nike runners and a suit.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

That's certainly tarnished Kraft's legacy, whether he gets convicted from here or not.

But.. 80 year old billionaire widower soliciting a prostitute. The only reason it'll make headline news is because it's someone who has been of impeccable character, where in reality he was just unlucky enough to be doing at a place with trafficked women.

You have to feel for Kraft here. He is an outstanding owner that seems to be a very decent person. Bought the Patriots so that he could keep them in the NE area and has overseen the most successful period in any franchise history. This will be, and rightly so, a huge cause of embarrassment for him.

eagle eye

What will Goodell do with this?

Billy86

Robert Kraft has nothing to with Kraft foods? Weird, I had always just assumed that is what he was known for but it does look at a glance like he has nothing to do with them.

Still an almighty mess to be in the middle of. If he was only looking to get a prostitute then fair enough I guess (and that's all I can glean from it at the moment), just hoping he had nothing to do with the human trafficking because that stuff is pretty horrific.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

eagle eye wrote: »

What will Goodell do with this?

Tom is probably looking at a 6 game suspension.

Billy86

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

Tom is probably looking at a 6 game suspension.

Please please god do not let any video footage leak!

raze_them_all_

Well any bets on first nfl body being arrested are lost

Itssoeasy

Could kraft get Eddie Debartolo punishment ? It would obviously depend as Billy86 says on what involvement(if any I should say) he had with the more unsavoury aspects of that place. It's not at all what you expect from Robert kraft and the kraft family though.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

That's certainly tarnished Kraft's legacy, whether he gets convicted from here or not.

They released a statement that nothing "illegal" was done, so basically not denying the attendance, just the type of emmmm "services" he availed of.

All that money, Ricki Lander, and plenty of others to choose from; but he goes to a massage parlour.

Itssoeasy

And of course the jokes are flying on twitter about the situation. He's denying he was involved in anything illegal.

Paully D

Withdrawal of the Patriots 1st round draft pick and a season long ban for Brady is the only logical punishment, IMO.

phatkev

Paully D wrote: »

Withdrawal of the Patriots 1st round draft pick and a season long ban for Brady is the only logical punishment, IMO.

Personally think they should be banished from the AFC East!!

Foxtrol

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It's not at all what you expect from Robert kraft and the kraft family though.

I always take the public appearance of extremely wealthy families (especially American ones) with a large pinch of salt. There’s usually plenty of skeletons there, it just depends on how well they’re hidden.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Taken from the Pats thread
Surprised nobody else has used this line yet!

glasso wrote: »

More messing with balls

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/sports/robert-kraft-jupiter-orchids-arrest.html?action=click&contentCollection=Magazine&region=Footer&module=WhatsNext&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&moduleDetail=undefined&pgtype=Multimedia

Itssoeasy

Foxtrol wrote: »

I always take the public appearance of extremely wealthy families (especially American ones) with a large pinch of salt. There’s usually plenty of skeletons there, it just depends on how well they’re hidden.

I'd agree to a degree. Some wealthy american families in the public eye make it seem as if butter wouldn't melt and to different degrees come off as very false.

j8wk2feszrnpao

phatkev wrote: »

Personally think they should be banished from the AFC East!!

Can it be the AFC South? I think that's one of two other divisions that Brady has a better record against than the AFC East

Oat23

Now we pray the Niners don't tag Robbie Gould and let him come home.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1099078342974885888?s=19

Not sure why Rapsheet thinks he'll find work quickly. Maybe as a camp body but he's not walking into a job after 11 misses including one that cost us a playoff win.

Deco99

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

That's certainly tarnished Kraft's legacy, whether he gets convicted from here or not.

But.. 80 year old billionaire widower soliciting a prostitute. The only reason it'll make headline news is because it's someone who has been of impeccable character, where in reality he was just unlucky enough to be doing at a place with trafficked women.

You have to feel for Kraft here. He is an outstanding owner that seems to be a very decent person. Bought the Patriots so that he could keep them in the NE area and has overseen the most successful period in any franchise history. This will be, and rightly so, a huge cause of embarrassment for him.

Feel for him?. Unlucky?..he's accused of taking advantage of trafficked women.

Itssoeasy

Oat23 wrote: »

Now we pray the Niners don't tag Robbie Gould and let him come home.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1099078342974885888?s=19

Not sure why Rapsheet thinks he'll find work quickly. Maybe as a camp body but he's not walking into a job after 11 misses including one that cost us a playoff win.

If it's a crossbar challenge he's grand.

Realt Dearg Sec

Oat23 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1099078342974885888?s=19

Don't hit the doorframe on your way out.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Deco99 wrote: »

Feel for him?. Unlucky?..he's accused of taking advantage of trafficked women.

Climb off the high horse. He's a 77 year old widower who visited a brothel. He'll take a hammering from the holier-than-thou types like yourself, and will be the butt of many a joke, but his crime here is soliciting sex, not taking advantage of trafficked women.

Oat23

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

Climb off the high horse. He's a 77 year old widower who visited a brothel. He'll take a hammering from the holier-than-thou types like yourself, and will be the butt of many a joke, but his crime here is soliciting sex, not taking advantage of trafficked women.

His crime here is being a moron. He's a 77 year old billionaire who got caught getting a rub and tug in a crappy massage parlour when he could easily purchase the services of literally any escort on the planet to come to his home or a hotel.



Or he could have just went to Nevada where brothels are legal.

jack presley

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

Climb off the high horse. He's a 77 year old widower who visited a brothel. He'll take a hammering from the holier-than-thou types like yourself, and will be the butt of many a joke, but his crime here is soliciting sex, not taking advantage of trafficked women.

Hasn’t he got a 35 year old girlfriend?

Deco99

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

Climb off the high horse. He's a 77 year old widower who visited a brothel. He'll take a hammering from the holier-than-thou types like yourself, and will be the butt of many a joke, but his crime here is soliciting sex, not taking advantage of trafficked women.

See this is part of the problem, you're normalising that behaviour as if it's ok. The problem with brothels is it creates a demand for vulnerable women to be taken advantage of. The investigation was into human trafficking and ended up nabbing Kraft and others. Maybe educate yourself. Plus as pointed out he has plenty of cash to not be in that place and get his end away.

jack presley

Not the classiest place it seems.

https://deadspin.com/the-spa-where-police-say-robert-kraft-solicited-prostit-1832822284

Surely a billionaire innocently wanting a massage could have found a more up market type of place? You don't become a billionaire by being stupid so I'd love to know what the hell he was thinking.

jack presley

Deco99 wrote: »

See this is part of the problem, you're normalising that behaviour as if it's ok. The problem with brothels is it creates a demand for vulnerable women to be taken advantage of. The investigation was into human trafficking and ended up nabbing Kraft and others. Maybe educate yourself. Plus as pointed out he has plenty of cash to not be in that place and get his end away.

That's it.

eagle eye

Gotta be honest I would be proud to be still able to get it up when I'm 77.
I'm not sure for that very reason, age, that there is much to this.

Deco99

eagle eye wrote: »

Gotta be honest I would be proud to be still able to get it up when I'm 77.
I'm not sure for that very reason, age, that there is much to this.

Would you still be proud if it was with a young girl who didn't want to do it and being forced to touch your old man bits made her physically sick?