The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

eagle eye

jack presley wrote: »

But more importantly, why are NFL owners all buying multi million dollar yachts all of a sudden? Arthur Blank got one today.

So they don't get caught like Bob obviously!!!!

Foxtrol

Billy86 wrote: »

But Kraft generally hasn`t ever given me an impression of being sleazy or the type, and for christ sake he is a lonely, 77 year old widower. Could he have gone for some high priced supermodel type... yes, but I dont really think that impacts things much.

Through all your personal interactions with him?

Now we're trying to make him into some pathetic sad case by bringing loneliness into it? The man spent 14 minutes in the place, likely on the way to his private jet to sit with his family in a private box to watch his team play in the AFC championship. Hardly some sad lonely pensioner that just wanted human contact that we should feel sorry for. He saw the woman as an object that could give him pleasure before a day of excess.

I'm more bemused by how people have the opinion that butter wouldn't melt in the mouths of so many of these owners coming off the well crafted PR put out on TV about them. You rarely become a billionaire without having some level of a dark side, no matter how much tax deductible charity donations you make.

I'll put my hands up for doing the same about players and being proved wrong. We don't know these people at all so our impressions should mean nothing.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

jack presley wrote: »

He has (or had until recently) a 39 year old former model girlfriend for the past 6 years.

Didn't this "girlfriend" have a baby to another father not so long ago?

jack presley

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

Didn't this "girlfriend" have a baby to another father not so long ago?

She did, yeah. And he supported her throughout. It's all very bizarre.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Deleted.

Adamocovic

Christian Hackenberg has been benched by the Memphis Express in the AAF for playing poorly.

Still only 24 but surely considered a bust, 3 years since he was a 2nd rounder, moved around 4 teams, couldn't see any playing time for any in the NFL and then flopped out in the AAF.

Realt Dearg Sec

Given he was meant to be one of the bigger stars in the aaf, and the QB play across that league has been bad, I see a future in the insurance industry for him.

Adamocovic

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Given he was meant to be one of the bigger stars in the aaf, and the QB play across that league has been bad, I see a future in the insurance industry for him.

It's gas when you look at the QBs who went after him in the 2016 draft:

Jacoby Brissett
Cody Kessler
Connor Cook
Dak Prescott
Cardale Jones
Kevin Hogan
Nate Sudfield
Jake Ruddock
Brandon Allen
Jeff Driskel
Brandon Doughty

Firstly my god the amount drafted! Secondly despite the above pool not being stacked with stars I would safely say the majority are better than Hackenberg!

Think only Doughty, Ruddock and Allen are the others not to see any NFL action, and Hackenberg and Doughty the only two without a job in the NFL.

Maybe he'll prove us wrong....doubtful.

the baby bull elephant

Adamocovic wrote: »

It's gas when you look at the QBs who went after him in the 2016 draft:

Jacoby Brissett
Cody Kessler
Connor Cook
Dak Prescott
Cardale Jones
Kevin Hogan
Nate Sudfield
Jake Ruddock
Brandon Allen
Jeff Driskel
Brandon Doughty

Firstly my god the amount drafted! Secondly despite the above pool not being stacked with stars I would safely say the majority are better than Hackenberg!

Think only Doughty, Ruddock and Allen are the others not to see any NFL action, and Hackenberg and Doughty the only two without a job in the NFL.

Maybe he'll prove us wrong....doubtful.

Rudock got to attempt a whole 5 passes against Baltimore when Stafford had to go off in 2017.

Foxtrol

First tag of the off-season as 49ers place a franchise tag on Gould. Probably not the most efficient use of resources in spending that much on a kicker that doesn’t have a huge range but this was always likely to happen. Feel there’s a decent chance that they come to a long-term deal by the first game.

Adamocovic

Foxtrol wrote: »

First tag of the off-season as 49ers place a franchise tag on Gould. Probably not the most efficient use of resources in spending that much on a kicker that doesn’t have a huge range but this was always likely to happen. Feel there’s a decent chance that they come to a long-term deal by the first game.

It's always been evident that kickers are important to the success of a team but I think recently we've been seeing so many teams struggling to find a kicker and doing poorly because of that. Last year was absolutley bonkers for big kicking misses.

Agree it's a lot to spend on a kicker, think he will be the highest paid with the franchise tag but with his accuracy last season they had to lock him in (97%! Only one missed FG). I imagine they just didn't want him to walk for free and join the Bears, still they have plenty of cap room so money isn't their biggest worry atm.

Like you said his range isn't the best, probably able to squeeze a 55 yarder if he has the right conditions but he's been very consistent over the last number of years.

Is this the first time a kicker has been franchise tagged?

el Fenomeno

Fairly certain both Tucker and Gostkowski have been tagged in recent years.

PhuckHugh2

"A Tom Brady Rookie Card Sold For A Record Price On eBay, Amounting To 6,781 30-Minute Massages At Orchids Of Asia Day Spa"

What a headline. hahaha

https://brobible.com/sports/article/tom-brady-rookie-card-breaks-ebay-record/

Foxtrol

Adamocovic wrote: »

It's always been evident that kickers are important to the success of a team but I think recently we've been seeing so many teams struggling to find a kicker and doing poorly because of that. Last year was absolutley bonkers for big kicking misses.

Agree it's a lot to spend on a kicker, think he will be the highest paid with the franchise tag but with his accuracy last season they had to lock him in (97%! Only one missed FG). I imagine they just didn't want him to walk for free and join the Bears, still they have plenty of cap room so money isn't their biggest worry atm.

Like you said his range isn't the best, probably able to squeeze a 55 yarder if he has the right conditions but he's been very consistent over the last number of years.

Is this the first time a kicker has been franchise tagged?

The whole thing about kickers being poor last season is a bit overblown, as the overall quality has rarely been better. There were a number of high profile misses but last year was the 2nd highest FG % ever (highest being 2013) and the best XP % since the new rules came in. I think the misses just came at key moments and in widely covered games, so it just put a bigger focus on them, alongside social media giving fans a greater outlet to rage when kicking isn’t perfect.

Gould’s accuracy was fantastic, but he was in a prime position with the 49ers having a good at moving the ball but continuing to be poor in the red zone. As you said, with that cap space they have the luxury to do this and they likely want as much consistency as they can with Jimmy G coming back and the potential for him to start off rusty.

Given how kickers % average can vary from year to year, Gould would be wise to sign a longer term deal now, as if he has a down year in 2019 he’ll end up being a year older and unlikely to get near the same numbers.

Shedite27

Adamocovic wrote: »

Christian Hackenberg has been benched by the Memphis Express in the AAF for playing poorly.

Still only 24 but surely considered a bust, 3 years since he was a 2nd rounder, moved around 4 teams, couldn't see any playing time for any in the NFL and then flopped out in the AAF.

Played more games at Croke Park than in the NFL

jack presley

Randy Gregory hit with his 4th suspension for substance abuse.

Foxtrol

jack presley wrote: »

Randy Gregory hit with his 4th suspension for substance abuse.

Demarcus Lawrence now has the Cowboys in a terrible spot

Foxtrol

Foles not being tagged and let enter FA.

Like Bell it was a bit of a stretch that their team could tag and trade him

Itssoeasy

Nick Foles is a FA. He will never have to buy a pint in Philly ever again(if he has since the Super Bowl win) and will go down in Eagles history. He's the first Eagles QB to win a championship(including the pre super bowl era) since Norm Van Brocklin lead the Eagles to beat the Packers in the 1960 NFL Championship game.

Adamocovic

Wonder if the Eagles are doing this for Foles and all he's done for them.

Wentz could easily go down again this year but I imagine Foles is at a point where he wants to play regularly.

The_Honeybadger

Adamocovic wrote: »

Wonder if the Eagles are doing this for Foles and all he's done for them.

Wentz could easily go down again this year but I imagine Foles is at a point where he wants to play regularly.

His cap number is huge if they want to hold on to him afaik. They can’t afford to keep both.

raze_them_all_

Foles is like 37 and almost retired a few years ago. I get people loved foles' dream run but people who think he had a chance taking wentzs job are insane

Adamocovic

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Foles is like 37 and almost retired a few years ago. I get people loved foles' dream run but people who think he had a chance taking wentzs job are insane

....the man just turned 30

raze_them_all_

Adamocovic wrote: »

....the man just turned 30

Jesus why did I think he was so much older

The_Honeybadger

Jags is the most obvious fit for him given deFillipo is there and they look to have lost patience with Bortles

Adamocovic

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Jesus why did I think he was so much older

Because he's wise beyond his years

Knex*

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Jesus why did I think he was so much older

Drafted in 2012. Same draft as (in order):

1. Luck
2. RGIII
8. Tannehill
22. Brandon Weeden :pac:
57. Osweiler
75. Wilson
88. Foles
102. Cousins
185. Ryan Lindley

Undrafted: Keenum

That Weeden pick. Oh man.

D9Male

That was a great draft for QB's.

eagle eye

raze_them_all_ wrote:

Foles is like 37 and almost retired a few years ago. I get people loved foles' dream run but people who think he had a chance taking wentzs job are insane

Foles is only 30 and you'd have him over Wentz based on last seasons performances. He also did it in a Superbowl and quite well. He had another good performance in the playoffs this season too.
Wentz has not been the same man since the injury. Rumours have come out that he isn't very popular in the locker room.
I'd never have thought there was an earthly hope that he would be in contention for Wentz's job even after the Superbowl win but Wentz was poor last season when he came back and it was starting to look a little like a battle for that starting job.
I think they should have tagged him. See how Wentz does and if it works out you'll have plenty of trading partners when a QB goes down or things don't work out somewhere.
I think he'll join the Bucs, similar signing to what Carson Palmer was at the Cards when Arians took over there.

Foxtrol

Adamocovic wrote: »

Wonder if the Eagles are doing this for Foles and all he's done for them.

Wentz could easily go down again this year but I imagine Foles is at a point where he wants to play regularly.

If they were doing it for Foles they wouldn’t have exercised their option for 2019 and forced him to give back $2m to get out of that contract.

Eagles can’t afford to keep both and a team would be mad to trade for a tagged Foles, given how much he’d cost on the tag and how he could hit FA again in 2020 season. Eagles would probably need to look for a high price for him based on what they’ll likely get as a comp pick next year if he hit FA.

I’m sure the Eagles wish him well, but this is purely a business decision.

Oat23

Fantastic news. He won't be on MNF now.


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1101179981089120258

KrustyUCC

Blast

Witten has killed us for years and prob will again

Some player in fairness

el Fenomeno

Oat23 wrote: »

Fantastic news. He won't be on MNF now.


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1101179981089120258

Brilliant. Living in hope that the Bucs bring Booker McFarland out of retirement next year.

Billy86

This one is weird, kind of wacky, and pretty awesome if they manage it.

Former Rams QB Marc Bulger, Chiefs/Vikings DE Jared Allen, Titans LB Keith Bulluck and Titans LT Michael Roos has all got together in an effort to make the Olympics... in of all things, curling.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/american-football/47290897

Athletes can never get rid of that competitive itch.

Even in retirement, it lingers. An itch that can only be scratched by a new challenge.

So when four former NFL pros decided to form a curling team, there was only one goal in sight - the Winter Olympics.

At first Jared suggested badminton. I watched videos and decided there was no way we could do that

Marc Bulger
"I've played in the Pro Bowl and I've won MVP, but I would put reaching the Olympics side-by-side with that if we could qualify," Marc Bulger tells BBC Sport.

Between them, Bulger, Jared Allen, Keith Bulluck and Michael Roos have made 601 NFL appearances and played nine Pro Bowls.

j8wk2feszrnpao

(CNN)Jared Allen spent 12 years in the NFL terrorizing quarterbacks with 136 career sacks, 11th all-time in league history. A four-time All Pro and five-time Pro Bowler, Allen is likely a Pro Football Hall of Fame candidate when he becomes eligible in 2021.
But he has some major plans for 2022.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/04/sport/jared-allen-nfl-curling-team-spt-intl/index.html

Hazys

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Brilliant. Living in hope that the Bucs bring Booker McFarland out of retirement next year.

And hopefully the Chargers strike a deal to get 67 year old Dan Fouts out of retirement too...Rivers needs an experienced backup QB

Always Be Closing

Chiefs franchise tag Dee Ford

If somehow we manage to ditch Ford and Houston while keeping Eric Sick Note Berry I'll be ****ing livid

Knex*

This is hilarious

Foxtrol

Posted in the draft thread a table of the value of the picks each team has for the draft. The graph below expands on this and provides a great insight into what teams have to play with going into the off season, by including their cap space.

It really shows which teams are extremely limited in their options to improve, with the Bears and Saints obvious highlights in this.

https://twitter.com/lee_sharpe/status/1102337147556618240

rebelyell99

Foles is off to Jacksonville, good fit for him .

brinty

Cowboys tag DeMarcus Lawrence
Working to get a long-term deal sorted for July

The_Honeybadger

rebelyell99 wrote: »

Foles is off to Jacksonville, good fit for him .

Hopefully Foles does the business as they can’t afford another mistake at QB.

That Bortles contract was a bit of a disaster for the Jags, wonder where he will end up? presumably he’ll get a job as a backup somewhere.

letowski

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1102690015451201538?s=19

I think Landon Collins and CJ Mosley will be two of the biggest names to hit the open market. Trey Flowers may be a FA too. Almost all other pass rushers tagged, as you would expect.

Knex*

Will miss Collins, but he has was poor last year, average the year before, and poor his rookie year. 2016 he was possibly the best defensive player in the league.

You can't do it all from Safety or affect the game as much as other positions can, but the man is unbelievable in the run game, although his tackling let him down last year. I don't think he's worth 11m a year when he is so exposed in the pass game as often as he is, but again, he had very little help there aside from 2016, when he was more than capable.

What annoys me isn't so much Giants letting him walk, but it's that we are seemingly in no man land for a lot of things. If we're clearing out high cap and rebuilding, Vernon, Jenkins and Eli should all have been shifted. Especially when you consider our 1 consistently elite defensive player, Snacks, was shipped for a 4th last year.

I just don't really get what the Giants are attempting, in all honesty. I think we're caught in the headspace of knowing there are holes all over the roster and rookie QB can't come in and compete, but do we use the 6th pick to strengthen our lines for 2019, or move up and take Haskins.

If you strengthen, then its OK to keep Eli and try and put a more solid roster in place for drafting a QB next year. This is a hard sell however.

But if you do end up taking a QB, then Eli should have been cut and his 17m used in FA to build this roster as best you can. There's no way Eli starts all year in this scenario unless somehow Giants have fixed their OL issues, which seems very unlikely if they trade up for a QB.

I just feel we are a bit directionless at the moment.

Paully D

Mosley becomes a free agent after the Ravens (correctly) decide not to tag him.

Tough one for the Ravens now. Despite wanting to have him back, they’re going to have to overspend to keep him and while he’s very good, he’s not that next level of elite IMO.

With Baltimore’s other needs, I think I’d be tempted to let him walk and take the 3rd round comp pick in 2020 but if we can find a way to bring him back then great

VillaMad

Paully D wrote: »

Mosley becomes a free agent after the Ravens (correctly) decide not to tag him.

Tough one for the Ravens now. Despite wanting to have him back, they’re going to have to overspend to keep him and while he’s very good, he’s not that next level of elite IMO.

With Baltimore’s other needs, I think I’d be tempted to let him walk and take the 3rd round comp pick in 2020 but if we can find a way to bring him back then great

Ravens have cut safety Eric Weddle (6-time pro-bowler) which frees up €7.5 million in cap space so that could be enough to agree a deal with Mosley if that is what they want.

Paully D

VillaMad wrote: »

Ravens have cut safety Eric Weddle (6-time pro-bowler) which frees up €7.5 million in cap space so that could be enough to agree a deal with Mosley if that is what they want.

Yeah, I’d be kind of hoping that release is with a view to signing Mosley.

While Weddle’s production has slowed down, his leadership, locker room presence and QB’ing of the defense will be hard to replace. One of the Ravens better free agent pick-ups in recent years.

If they do re-sign Mosley he’ll take over control of the defense.

There’s some decent free agent safeties (and more will be on the cut list soon) doing the rounds now so locking Mosley up and picking one of those guys up for half of Weddle’s salary might be the play.

Weddle said he’d retire if cut but watch him end up at the Patriots and win a Super Bowl now :rolleyes::pac:

phatkev

Jamie Collins apparently released by the Browns, I assume he's looking for a massive deal

Knex*

phatkev wrote: »

Jamie Collins apparently released by the Browns, I assume he's looking for a massive deal

He wasn't great last year. Can't see the market being too strong for him.

coco0981

phatkev wrote: »

Jamie Collins apparently released by the Browns, I assume he's looking for a massive deal

Lots of buzz on twitter that OBJ may be about to be traded to the Browns