The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

raze_them_all_

thomond2006 wrote: »

Eifert apparently on the block with a Day 3 pick price.
Any contender should consider it. He's on no money for this year and the upside is Top 5 TE in the league.

Is he though. I remember snapping him and ertz the same year but eiffert has been a sick note for so long now I'd not consider him top 5, I do agree he had all the potential to be though

Shedite27

thomond2006 wrote: »

Eifert apparently on the block with a Day 3 pick price.
Any contender should consider it. He's on no money for this year and the upside is Top 5 TE in the league.

Always kept and eye out for Eifert, very good player on his day. Caught a TD at the Aviva Stadium once upon a time

raze_them_all_

Shedite27 wrote: »

Always kept and eye out for Eifert, very good player on his day. Caught a TD at the Aviva Stadium once upon a time

Oh don't get me wrong I like him I just think his injuries hampered his development. He had the same ceiling as ertz but could never stay healthy enough to reach it imo

brinty

thomond2006 wrote:

Eifert apparently on the block with a Day 3 pick price. Any contender should consider it. He's on no money for this year and the upside is Top 5 TE in the league.

Might fancy joining his brother in law Zach Martin in Big D. Could see him being outstanding in a bit part role for the cowboys

Foxtrol

I don't mind a cocky persona but Baker sure goes out of his way to annoy people.

Refused to shake hands with the 49ers before the game started despite having never played them before, no rivalry between the teams, or any between him with the captains.

I could understand him feeling that way after the game and the Bosa stuff but before is just being an ass unnecessarily.

Foxtrol

Foxtrol wrote: »

I don't mind a cocky persona but Baker sure goes out of his way to annoy people.

Refused to shake hands with the 49ers before the game started despite having never played them before, no rivalry between the teams, or any between him with the captains.

I could understand him feeling that way after the game and the Bosa stuff but before is just being an ass unnecessarily.

So now video has come that that Baker shook hands before the coin toss and ran off straight afterward when players normally shake again, which apparently somehow annoyed a few players.

Seems pretty stupid to take as a slight but whatever it was seemed to have worked for the team, hopefully Goff does similar at the weekend.

Shedite27

Foxtrol wrote: »

So now video has come that that Baker shook hands before the coin toss and ran off straight afterward when players normally shake again, which apparently somehow annoyed a few players.

Seems pretty stupid to take as a slight but whatever it was seemed to have worked for the team, hopefully Goff does similar at the weekend.

Not sure where I'd rank this on the Stupid NFL stories 2019 list really
- player throws a hissy fit because he's not allowed wear a 10 year old helmet
- player wears an expensive watch during a game
- player complains another player won't shake his hand

Looking forward to what the rest of the season brings

Foxtrol

Shedite27 wrote: »

Not sure where I'd rank this on the Stupid NFL stories 2019 list really
- player throws a hissy fit because he's not allowed wear a 10 year old helmet
- player wears an expensive watch during a game
- player complains another player won't shake his hand

Looking forward to what the rest of the season brings

Fair, I'm just glad the 49ers took the perceived slight out on him on the field rather doing a Baker and grabbing themselves on the sidelines in protest :pac:

Christy42

Shedite27 wrote: »

Not sure where I'd rank this on the Stupid NFL stories 2019 list really
- player throws a hissy fit because he's not allowed wear a 10 year old helmet
- player wears an expensive watch during a game
- player complains another player won't shake his hand

Looking forward to what the rest of the season brings

I would add making a point of not shaking hands. Not sure I would be offended by the lack of shaking hands but he went out of his way to do it which is pretty petty as well.

The Nick Boss flag celebration was because he was on the team Mayfield beat when he planted the flag at half time. Baker had to see a celebration around that coming at some point in his career.

I feel like Baker has gotten into his own head with this Prime time Baker stuff. He is trying to force every too much.

el Fenomeno

I'm confused. Sherman is giving out that Mayfield didn't shake hands, but there's literally a video of Mayfield shaking Sherman's hand. Then Sherman clarifies that he was annoyed Mayfield didn't shake his hand a second time, and that his first handshake was "petty"....

Mayfield's an asshole, but he's certainly not the biggest one in this exchange.

Realt Dearg Sec

I quite like Sherman in general but it's funny the way he's always in these confrontations but it's never, ever his own fault. It's obviously a thing he does to self motivate, conjure up slights from thin air

ItAintMeBabe

The browns apparently listening to trade offers for OBJ!

I was at the ravens browns game. He was sensational to watch warming up, making catches that seemed totally impossible.

In the game however it was a different story. Marlon Humphrey had him completely covered and OBJ very evidently could not handle it. A lot of off the ball stuff going on and OBJ the instigator in all of it, along with a thoroughly unimpressive game.

Be interesting to see how it pans out. Don't know what the packers cap situation etc. is but they definitely need a wide receiver.

MrKingsley

ItAintMeBabe wrote: »

The browns apparently listening to trade offers for OBJ!

I was at the ravens browns game. He was sensational to watch warming up, making catches that seemed totally impossible.

In the game however it was a different story. Marlon Humphrey had him completely covered and OBJ very evidently could not handle it. A lot of off the ball stuff going on and OBJ the instigator in all of it, along with a thoroughly unimpressive game.

Be interesting to see how it pans out. Don't know what the packers cap situation etc. is but they definitely need a wide receiver.

Packers wideouts did alright against Dallas the other night even without Adams.

If those rumours are true then I think he would be the last person Rodgers would want in the changing room

Knex*

I don't think OBJ has come back from that ankle break the same. His best game was 2016 vs the Ravens. That's a long time ago in the NFL.

boccy23

Knex. wrote: »

I don't think OBJ has come back from that ankle break the same. His best game was 2016 vs the Ravens. That's a long time ago in the NFL.

As a cynical and loyal Giants fan, I have to say that I cannot look at OBJ's current situation with anything except a smile on my face.

radharc

If he is on the trading block surely the Patriots is the natural landing spot

boccy23

The various reports regarding the offers existing from the Chiefs, Rams and Ravens to Jacksonville for Jalen Ramsey are certainly interesting. Would love to see the Chiefs acquire him to compete with the Patriots.

Foxtrol

boccy23 wrote: »

As a cynical and loyal Giants fan, I have to say that I cannot look at OBJ's current situation with anything except a smile on my face.

I wouldn't be smiling too much, the Giants would be in a much better position now if they Jones, OBJ, and Barkley together. Jones is out there making plays down the field that Eli wasn't for the last couple of seasons.

He could have dealt with the situation better but he didn't pull an AB and try to force his way to a trade, your GM chose to trade him away, apparently without even properly shopping him around and getting the best deal.

boccy23

Foxtrol wrote: »

I wouldn't be smiling too much, the Giants would be in a much better position now if they Jones, OBJ, and Barkley together. Jones is out there making plays down the field that Eli wasn't for the last couple of seasons.

He could have dealt with the situation better but he didn't pull an AB and try to force his way to a trade, your GM chose to trade him away, apparently without even properly shopping him around and getting the best deal.

Who says he didn't force his way out? We don't know what went on between OBJ and Gettleman. He was also the "positive locker room influence" who threw Eli under the bus, p'eed like a dog and was a general malcontent. When your rookie RB comes in and has to be the mature guy in the relationship to OBJ, I am firmly of the belief that we don't know half of what went on inside that building.

Would I rather he stayed - obviously. Do I think it was beneficial for the Giants as an organisation - No. But OBJ was an over the top character. This is still being proved today with statements like the "giants wanted to ruin my career" and spending more time since he left New York speaking about New York than the Browns.

Foxtrol

boccy23 wrote: »

Who says he didn't force his way out? We don't know what went on between OBJ and Gettleman. He was also the "positive locker room influence" who threw Eli under the bus, p'eed like a dog and was a general malcontent. When your rookie RB comes in and has to be the mature guy in the relationship to OBJ, I am firmly of the belief that we don't know half of what went on inside that building.

Would I rather he stayed - obviously. Do I think it was beneficial for the Giants as an organisation - No. But OBJ was an over the top character. This is still being proved today with statements like the "giants wanted to ruin my career" and spending more time since he left New York speaking about New York than the Browns.

Every single report. I'm in NY a lot and haven't seen one report of OBJ forcing his way out, including those directly from the Giants and OBJ. He didn't put in a request, talk about seeking one in the media, and for all accounts he was completely blindsided by the trade. I'm happy to reconsider my opinion if you can provide one credible source.

You say he threw Eli under the bus, I say he was the only person in the organization being somewhat honest about how poor Eli was and he wasn't even close to as harsh as he could have been in his assessment. Giants would have been in a much better position now if they dumped Eli 2 or 3 years ago rather than continually making excuses for his performance by blaming every other part of the team other than Eli. OBJ was proved right with Eli getting benched 2 games into this season, which makes the decision to trade him even worse.

eagle eye

Eli didn't have an offensive line for the last few years. OBJ put up huge numbers because he could get free quickly a lot and Eli would find him before the pass rush got to him.
Daniel Jones didn't get sacked against the Redskins but got sacked 9 times between his other two starts. He is a young, healthy QB right now but let's see how he looks after a few more games and a bunch more sacks.
OBJ had no right to be throwing the guy who sent him for over 1300 yards each of his first three seasons and over 1000 yards in 12 games last season under the bus.

Foxtrol

eagle eye wrote: »

Eli didn't have an offensive line for the last few years. OBJ put up huge numbers because he could get free quickly a lot and Eli would find him before the pass rush got to him.
Daniel Jones didn't get sacked against the Redskins but got sacked 9 times between his other two starts. He is a young, healthy QB right now but let's see how he looks after a few more games and a bunch more sacks.
OBJ had no right to be throwing the guy who sent him for over 1300 yards each of his first three seasons and over 1000 yards in 12 games last season under the bus.

Seeing as it has been repeated again, can you please quote where OBJ 'threw Eli under the bus'?

His factual statements put in a composed and pretty mild way have taken a life of their own in peoples heads at this stage. The way people speak about them you'd swear he called Eli thrash and that it was solely his fault they were losing.

Knex*

"Giants' Odell Beckham throws Eli Manning under the bus, indicates he might not be happy in New York"

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/giants-odell-beckham-throws-eli-manning-under-the-bus-indicates-he-might-not-be-happy-in-new-york/

He was less than complimentary a few times.

Foxtrol

Knex. wrote: »

"Giants' Odell Beckham throws Eli Manning under the bus, indicates he might not be happy in New York"

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/giants-odell-beckham-throws-eli-manning-under-the-bus-indicates-he-might-not-be-happy-in-new-york/

He was less than complimentary a few times.

Did you read his actual words he said rather than the headline and the 'hot takes' guys?

He didn't roll out the ridiculous company line that Eli could play at starting NFL level for another 3 more years but none of what he said throws Eli under the bus. He makes factual statements about the Giants play and scheme and put it in a much milder way than if he was blunt or completely honest about it.

If you think that is throwing him under the bus then every player/coach that says anything that isn't 100% glowing about someone is now throwing them under the bus.

"I don't know," Beckham said when he was asked if there was an issue at quarterback. "Like I said, I feel like he's not going to get out the pocket. He's not -- we know Eli's not running it. But is it a matter of time issue? Can he still throw it, yeah, but it's been pretty safe and it's been, you know ... cool catching shallow [routes] and trying to take it to the house. But I'm, you know, I want to go over the top of somebody."

"I feel like in the past five years, they found a way to run a Cover 2, keep everything in front, and that's how they played me," Beckham said. "And there's no way to -- how do we beat this? I feel like I'm being outschemed, and then I also don't have a chance to, like, do something where I've got to take a slant and go 60. And not to say that's not fun, but it's like I want some easy touchdowns too. I watch everybody across the league. All the top receivers get the ball the way that they, you know, should. And if they don't, they say something about it."

Tell me how

Foxtrol wrote: »

Did you read his actual words he said rather than the headline and the 'hot takes' guys?

He didn't roll out the ridiculous company line that Eli could play at starting NFL level for another 3 more years but none of what he said throws Eli under the bus. He makes factual statements about the Giants play and scheme and put it in a much milder way than if he was blunt or completely honest about it.

If you think that is throwing him under the bus then every player/coach that says anything that isn't 100% glowing about someone is now throwing them under the bus.

Subjective opinions are always going to come in to it, but even the words you quoted implied Beckham felt Eli was keeping it safe and not making the throws Beckham wanted.

In a sport where everything comes down to the QB, it's not surprising that that would be interpreted as him not having confidence in his QB and he probably knew that when he said what he said.

Foxtrol

Tell me how wrote: »

Subjective opinions are always going to come in to it, but even the words you quoted implied Beckham felt Eli was keeping it safe and not making the throws Beckham wanted.

In a sport where everything comes down to the QB, it's not surprising that that would be interpreted as him not having confidence in his QB and he probably knew that when he said what he said.

That's fair but I can easily find dozens of high profile QBs, coaches, players who make similar respectful factual statements to the media about players or position groups and it isn't seen as 'throwing them under the bus'. When most veterans say these type of things, they are deemed to be 'holding teammates accountable', 'making fair comments', or it is 'constructive criticism'.

Everytime OBJ is mentioned it is clear that an element of folk just really dislike him and jump on anything he does or says and blows it out of proportion. In this case it was made worse by the media and elements of Giants fans who pushed back on any questioning of Eli right until Jones got the start, always finding a way to make it someone else's fault.

eagle eye

I was just looking up stuff from the past and came across the fact that Larry Fitzgerald has only one all-pro selection which is disgraceful imo. This man for me was the best wide receiver in the league from 2004 up until maybe 2011 when Megatron went to a different level. He was definitely in the argument as a top two receiver through those years.



When you consider that Andre Johnson, a great receiver in his own right, has two, AB has five I think, Terrell Owens has five, Chad Johnson has three, Wes Welker has two and I could go on but it's just insane that Fitzgerald has only one considering all the great seasons he has had.



Larry Fitz is only looking up at one man in yardage, catches and greatness imo and he is looking up at a whole pile as far as all-pro awards are concerned.

raze_them_all_

eagle eye wrote: »

I was just looking up stuff from the past and came across the fact that Larry Fitzgerald has only one all-pro selection which is disgraceful imo. This man for me was the best wide receiver in the league from 2004 up until maybe 2011 when Megatron went to a different level. He was definitely in the argument as a top two receiver through those years.



When you consider that Andre Johnson, a great receiver in his own right, has two, AB has five I think, Terrell Owens has five, Chad Johnson has three, Wes Welker has two and I could go on but it's just insane that Fitzgerald has only one considering all the great seasons he has had.



Larry Fitz is only looking up at one man in yardage, catches and greatness imo and he is looking up at a whole pile as far as all-pro awards are concerned.

Probably has the best hands in football too

Tell me how

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Probably has the best hands in football too

Some of the others were supreme personal publicists, LF has had a much quieter manner about him iirc.

trebor28

eagle eye wrote: »

Eli didn't have an offensive line for the last few years. OBJ put up huge numbers because he could get free quickly a lot and Eli would find him before the pass rush got to him.
Daniel Jones didn't get sacked against the Redskins but got sacked 9 times between his other two starts. He is a young, healthy QB right now but let's see how he looks after a few more games and a bunch more sacks.
OBJ had no right to be throwing the guy who sent him for over 1300 yards each of his first three seasons and over 1000 yards in 12 games last season under the bus.

The reverse could be said about obj getting Eli all those passing yards too.

eagle eye

trebor28 wrote:

The reverse could be said about obj getting Eli all those passing yards too.

Well it's a two way thing really. If the QB doesn't get you the ball you are not getting anywhere and if the receiver doesn't catch it and do what he does after then the numbers for the QB wont be very good.
Anyways if you managed to catch Daniel Jones on Thursday night then you got to possibly see a worse performance again. 15 of 31 for 161 yards and 1 yd with 3 ints.

Christy42

eagle eye wrote: »

Well it's a two way thing really. If the QB doesn't get you the ball you are not getting anywhere and if the receiver doesn't catch it and do what he does after then the numbers for the QB wont be very good.
Anyways if you managed to catch Daniel Jones on Thursday night then you got to possibly see a worse performance again. 15 of 31 for 161 yards and 1 yd with 3 ints.

To be fair it was against a top defense with only one serious receiver healthy and even then Jones would not have trained much with him.

eagle eye

Christy42 wrote:

To be fair it was against a top defense with only one serious receiver healthy and even then Jones would not have trained much with him.

Look I've been saying it for a couple of years. We really don't know what level Eli is at right now because he has been constantly pressured, hurried and sacked over that time. We might never know what Daniel Jones is like of they don't fix the OL.

brinty

Jesus, you could say that about every quarter back in the league.

They have what they have simple as that

eagle eye

brinty wrote:

They have what they have simple as that
Jesus, you could say that about every quarter back in the league.

The Giants have consistently had one of the worst offensive lines for a number of years now. You couldn't say that about every quarterback.
Even Bortles was given time because of the state of the OL in Jacksonville, they made it better and he was still awful so he's gone.

Christy42

brinty wrote: »

Jesus, you could say that about every quarter back in the league.

They have what they have simple as that

I await your argument that Dak Prescott does not have a great oline.

They have what they have but we are also looking at the future when Jones may have a decent team around him.

Foxtrol

eagle eye wrote: »

The Giants have consistently had one of the worst offensive lines for a number of years now. You couldn't say that about every quarterback.
Even Bortles was given time because of the state of the OL in Jacksonville, they made it better and he was still awful so he's gone.

And Eli makes a bad OL even worse by the fact he can barely move and goes into the fetal position every time he feels or imagines any pressure.

Eli is also the 6th biggest cap hit by a QB for this year. His comparisons shouldn't be against an overdrafted rookie with months as a professional, it should be against the best QBs in the league, many who regularly deal with their own OL issues and don't get the same excuses that are trotted out as Eli does.

paulie21

Ravens have agreed to trade for Rams CB Marcus Peters

Tell me how

Zach Brown got a lesson in the 'walking the walk after talking the talk'.

He trash talked Kirk Cousins a bit last week before the Eagles met the Vikings and then Cousins threw 4 touchdowns in a win for the Vikings.
Brown was cut from the Eagles the following day. Had only signed a 1 year/3M deal in the off season.

Can understand why some players just go to the same old phrases (at the end of the day) (I'm just trying to play ball) (Give 100%)

VillaMad

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1184253415607717888

Foxtrol

Rams all in for this season despite starting 3-3.

Their depth is already showing issues due to selling their future with previous trades. Will take some creative deal making to keep all the players they have coming into FA at the end of the year, while paying the guys they've already signed.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

How the hell are they going to pay everyone.

brinty

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote:

How the hell are they going to pay everyone.

They can't and won't be able too.

It's won or bust now surely. Five years without first round picks is not how to build a team.

2017 to Tennessee - used to get Goff in 2016
2018 to Patriots - traded for Brandon Cooks
2019 to Atlanta - traded picks in first and sixth for second and third round picks, then traded the Atlanta second for a second and third from the Patriots (picks 56 and 101) and then traded the Patriots second for second and a fifth...
2020 to Jaguars - traded to get Jalen Ramsey
2021 to Jaguars - traded to get Jalen Ramsey


If 2019 is how they intend to build out their roster that's a recipe for hit and miss.

Also noticed there's three former Jaguars first round picks in their roster with Blake bortles and Dante Fowler Jr with jalen Ramsey now joining them

thomond2006

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

How the hell are they going to pay everyone.

One season rental?

Optimus Caesar

thomond2006 wrote: »

One season rental?

Don’t think so. You don’t give up that much unless you plan on locking him down long term.

Knex*

That is going to bite Rams in the ass, long term.

Their OL is tragic this year and Goff isn't winning a Super Bowl with it. They've mortgaged their future to win now, but I think they've gambled incorrectly here.

thomond2006

Brockers, Cooks and Whitworth are all free agents and would free up significant funds.

Re-signing Ramsey is possible but it's going to cost them on other areas of the team. The Rams will need to hit on cheap mid-round rookies to bolster the lineup.

Optimus Caesar

thomond2006 wrote: »

Brockers, Cooks and Whitworth are all free agents and would free up significant funds.

Re-signing Ramsey is possible but it's going to cost them on other areas of the team. The Rams will need to hit on cheap mid-round rookies to bolster the lineup.

Whitworth will retire. I was surprised he came back this year but I’d say the prospect of another super bow run persuaded him.
I don’t know if Brockers will be kept as I like him but his production is down on last season so far.

Cooks will be interesting. I’d like to keep him but don’t think it’ll be possible.

Knex*

It's just a hell of a lot of capital, both in picks and the impending salary demands, to give up.

A somewhat maligned QB that just threw for 70 yards on a 140m contract. A RB who is seemingly now a perennial injury report member on a 60m contract, and no OL to talk about.

It seems to be a shortsighted panic move.

Adamcp898

I'd kinda get it if they had started similarly to how they did last year. But at 3-3 and with so many question marks hanging over the aspects of their game that got them that super bowl run last year, I just don't think it's wise to go all-in. All of Goff's weaknesses that people said were there are finally being exposed, the star running back is a shadow of his former self, and even though they have a star receiving core they can't seem to scheme well enough to take full advantage of it, either due to Goff's limitations or the coaching staff's.