The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

cosatron

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Yeah this was inevitable. America decided that they wanted to open the economy rather than contain the virus, not facing the obvious fact that an uncontained virus will shut down the economy for much longer by itself. Shortsightedness and greed dictating policy, I know I'm as shocked as you are. As Hunter Thompson said, "football season is over".

are you still in dallas, it must be crazy out there

el Fenomeno

That's another nail in the coffin for this season I reckon.

jack presley

The craziest thing, which I mentioned in the baseball thread is that after the Marlins had 3 players test positive, they had a team meeting before yesterday's game to decide whether to play or not. As soon as the there were positives, the game should have been cancelled and the players isolated. Not have a bloody team meeting taking place. Whoever allowed that to happen needs to be fired asap.

Maybe if the NFL are are more strict on the rules and police it better, they might have a chance of succeeding but it's not looking good.

Itssoeasy

The MLB situation is what I feared and may influence how the NFL goes forward. NFL players are in closer contact with each other for longer times overall that baseball players are.

Shedite27

Baseball is more impacted, given they play every day. An NFL team could get a outbreak, miss one week and be back the following week.

I think the biggest problem is what the threshold for calling off a game is. If Chiefs have a cornerback infected, does the game get called off? What about the whole secondary infected? What if it's only one player but that play is Mahomes.

I reckon there'll definitely be a few games missed, and probably the knock on of a "catchup week" or two between regular season and playoffs.

Itssoeasy

jack presley wrote: »

The craziest thing, which I mentioned in the baseball thread is that after the Marlins had 3 players test positive, they had a team meeting before yesterday's game to decide whether to play or not. As soon as the there were positives, the game should have been cancelled and the players isolated. Not have a bloody team meeting taking place. Whoever allowed that to happen needs to be fired asap.

Maybe if the NFL are are more strict on the rules and police it better, they might have a chance of succeeding but it's not looking good.

Yeah might isn't words you want to hear jack. I mean it's the right word just you don't like to use them.

Also, whoever in management of the marlins knew of the positive cases and saw nothing wrong with playing a game should be fired as you say. Given the reports about the marlins and them playing even though they knew of three positive cases, if I was the other team I'd be seriously pissed off.

Realt Dearg Sec

cosatron wrote: »

are you still in dallas, it must be crazy out there

Well I'm in Denton which is in the far north of Dallas-Fort Worth, and it is less serious here (as is typical because we are not in a big city), but what is interesting to me is that the governor of Texas rushed to reopen for economic reasons, which is understandable in one way, but the reaction showed that they had forgotten something important: that economic recovery only happens if people feel safe doing it. The bars reopened but really nobody went to them, because the perception was that it's not safe. Now they're closed again anyway, but the point was clear, that people won't just go and spend money because you've ordered that they should do so and you want them to. The irony of course is that if they stayed the course, were careful about opening, etc. the economic recovery would be under way by now. My sense is that for all the cartoon images of Texans as anti-mask buffoons screaming about their freedom, the vast majority DONT support fast reopening and aren't willing to risk their health just to get back to normal. And ultimately that will be true for football too. However crazy they are about football here, they won't pack the stadium just because Jerry would like them to give him their money.

Itssoeasy

I was watching the NFL network and they were talking about the testing which seems very stringent but there's also a big degree of player personal responsibility when they are away from the facility. That worries me a bit. Also, one owner said to Judy bustista that the number of positive tests will likely be high during the first week.

Foxtrol

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I was watching the NFL network and they were talking about the testing which seems very stringent but there's also a big degree of player personal responsibility when they are away from the facility. That worries me a bit. Also, one owner said to Judy bustista that the number of positive tests will likely be high during the first week.

Teams can put players on the non-football injury list if they are found to have been involved in 'high risk' activities, meaning they don't get any salary while they're out.

While not in a bubble, it doesn't really matter how safe a player is being, all they need is one of their kids or their wife/girlfriend to bring it into the house and they're out.

A few players have started coming out with them opting out of the season. None really big names yet.

el Fenomeno

As teams make their cuts to try get to 80 players - if you were an undrafted rookie and you didn't fancy your chances of making the riser, could you just take advantage of the "opt out" and guarantee a nice salary for the year?

brinty

Saw overnight the Seahawks aren't signing Adams to a contest extension in 2020. Are they nuts??

Giving up a 21 & 22 first and the guy might not be there in 22...

What fool is running the Seahawks org

The_Honeybadger

brinty wrote: »

Saw overnight the Seahawks aren't signing Adams to a contest extension in 2020. Are they nuts??

Giving up a 21 & 22 first and the guy might not be there in 22...

What fool is running the Seahawks org

Not sure what their cap situation is but I would have presumed he’d be getting an extension straight away. They may have an agreement in principle with him to wait until after the season. They gave him under control for two more years after 2020 in any case if you include a franchise tag year.

I see the player exodus has started, Cannon and Hightower from the Pats have opted out for the season. You’d have to think that there will be many more across the league as camp approaches

Foxtrol

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Not sure what their cap situation is but I would have presumed he’d be getting an extension straight away. They may have an agreement in principle with him to wait until after the season. They gave him under control for two more years after 2020 in any case if you include a franchise tag year.

I see the player exodus has started, Cannon and Hightower from the Pats have opted out for the season. You’d have to think that there will be many more across the league as camp approaches

Players have until August 3rd to opt out so they'll be coming in pretty fast over the next few days.

Will be interesting to see if certain teams will have more than others, teams from hot spot areas, teams where players have seen a lot of success, teams where one of their leaders opts out.

brinty

Foxtrol wrote: »

Players have until August 3rd to opt out so they'll be coming in pretty fast over the next few days.

Will be interesting to see if certain teams will have more than others, teams from hot spot areas, teams where players have seen a lot of success, teams where one of their leaders opts out.

In big D i heard talk of Demarcus Lawrence not turning up for training camp as his partner was expecting but he's coming in.

Maurice Canady has opted out from our squad but was unlikely to make the 55 man roster anyways.

The_Honeybadger

Foxtrol wrote: »

Players have until August 3rd to opt out so they'll be coming in pretty fast over the next few days.

Will be interesting to see if certain teams will have more than others, teams from hot spot areas, teams where players have seen a lot of success, teams where one of their leaders opts out.

Didn’t realise that deadline was there, thanks.

Always Be Closing

Damien Williams opts out

Edwards-Hilaire just got a major bump

Anyone in an Andy Reid offense is worth a pick

From a football perspective we were RBBC anyways last year so Damo is no great loss even though he was my SB MVP

Itssoeasy

The list of players opting out is growing and I honestly don't blame them. I'm sure we made hard choices in Ireland during lockdown. I've barely seen my grandmother since march and at a distance when I have but to read the comments on social media is it any wonder the USA is in the mess it's in.

Christy42

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The list of players opting out is growing and I honestly don't blame them. I'm sure we made hard choices in Ireland during lockdown. I've barely seen my grandmother since march and at a distance when I have but to read the comments on social media is it any wonder the USA is in the mess it's in.

Indeed. I don't blame any player and any that I have seen tend to have other reasons as well such as new borns/family illnesses etc.

But sure this is a country where an elected representative decided to tell his staffers in person that he had coronavirus. This is all seen as political if they decide to protect their families.

j8wk2feszrnpao

It's becoming more and more of a null/void season with the opt-outs to date and likely more on the way. The NFL may go ahead with the season, but it's feeling like it'll always carry an asterisk at this point.
Rapport said there isn't a set deadline to opt out yet as the the league’s COVID-19 protocols aren't finalized by both the NFL and NFLPA. So if that was done today, the deadline is Aug 6th at the earliest.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

On another note the top 100 was released last night. Not exactly breaking news but interesting to see how the votes are tallied up anyway. No surprise that Lamar topped the list, was a bit surprised to see Russ at #2, however he did have a phenomenol season. Aaron Donald rounded out the top 3 with DOPY Gilmore down at 9th. Nice to see McCaffrey at 6th too after a historic season.

Foxtrol

Christy42 wrote: »

Indeed. I don't blame any player and any that I have seen tend to have other reasons as well such as new borns/family illnesses etc.

It is a good opportunity to show what absolute scum some fans are though. A group were giving Marquise Goodwin abuse for opting out due to having a newborn, this despite how his family had to deal with 3 miscarriages over the last few years*.

*not taking a shot at Eagles fans as from what I've seen nearly every player that was likely to make a team has dealt with similar abuse

Foxtrol

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It's becoming more and more of a null/void season with the opt-outs to date and likely more on the way. The NFL may go ahead with the season, but it's feeling like it'll always carry an asterisk at this point.

The opt outs have been pretty minor so far. Plenty of teams see many more injuries during or even prior to camp than the number of players opting out so far and no asterisk is ever put on those seasons for the eventual winners.

I still don't think they'll make it through the season but if they do it without major disruption very few fans will put any kind of asterisk on it a few years from now. Those that think that way will be the same tiny minority that have mental asterisks on winners that had any notable favourable calls during the play-offs.

Rapport said there isn't a set deadline to opt out yet as the the league’s COVID-19 protocols aren't finalized by both the NFL and NFLPA. So if that was done today, the deadline is Aug 6th at the earliest.

Technically yes but if a player hasn't opted out at this point they have already shown up to camp. I might be wrong but I don't see too many players running the risk of showing up for the first few days and opting out later (aside from maybe a very high % of the tests coming back positive and scaring them, which there is no evidence of at this point)

Oat23

Every few hours I log onto NFL twitter hoping to read that Aaron Rodgers has opted out just to spite the Packers.

So far I've been disappointed but there's still time. It would be hilarious.

el Fenomeno

Oat23 wrote: »

Every few hours I log onto NFL twitter hoping to read that Aaron Rodgers has opted out just to spite the Packers.

So far I've been disappointed but there's still time. It would be hilarious.

To be fair, he's been incredibly busy throwing his toys out of the pram every chance he gets since the Packers drafted a QB.

Season should be called off at this stage. End up with a half a season with half rosters and someone like the Giants or Jets or Bears winning it and having to put an asterisk on the whole thing.

Oat23

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Season should be called off at this stage. End up with a half a season with half rosters and someone like the Giants or Jets or Bears winning it and having to put an asterisk on the whole thing.

The Bears have one of the best defenses in the league and are a competent QB away from legitimately competing in the playoffs. I can't believe you've just lumped us in with the Giants and Jets.

Foxtrol

Oat23 wrote: »

Every few hours I log onto NFL twitter hoping to read that Aaron Rodgers has opted out just to spite the Packers.

So far I've been disappointed but there's still time. It would be hilarious.

Are you secretly hoping you'll see Trubisky? :pac:

Actually it might be better for the Bears to get through his contract this year rather than being stuck with a guaranteed deal next year when the cap drops

Oat23

Oat23 wrote: »

The Bears have one of the best defenses in the league and are a competent QB away from legitimately competing in the playoffs. I can't believe you've just lumped us in with the Giants and Jets.

Had actual forgot that replaced that other joker.

brinty

Oat23 wrote:

The Bears have one of the best defenses in the league and are a competent QB away from legitimately competing in the playoffs. I can't believe you've just lumped us in with the Giants and Jets.

You're all dog crap .

Oat23

Foxtrol wrote: »

Are you secretly hoping you'll see Trubisky? :pac:

Actually it might be better for the Bears to get through his contract this year rather than being stuck with a guaranteed deal next year when the cap drops

2020 is so f*cked it wouldn't even be the most surprising thing to happen this year if he balls out and is an all-pro or something.

Once again our season rides on the QB play. If one of them is decent we can do well. If both are s*it we're looking at a 6-10 / 7-9 year.

I still think we should have signed Cam, though. I'm going to feel sick if Foles either can't beat out Mitch or does and plays crap/gets injured while Cam flourishes in NE.

cosatron

el Fenomeno wrote: »

To be fair, he's been incredibly busy throwing his toys out of the pram every chance he gets since the Packers drafted a QB.

its incredibly annoying for us packer fans. just shut your mouth Aaron and play out your contract, coach up the hier apparent and don't be a d**k like favre was to you when you were drafted.

DM_2092

The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL


Where yet again, Antonio Brown has done something silly. The guy has been banned for 8 games heading into this season.

Go Cardinals.

The_Honeybadger

At least teams can make a decision on whether to sign him or not now. Plenty of teams need receiver help.

DM_2092

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

At least teams can make a decision on whether to sign him or not now. Plenty of teams need receiver help.

I wouldn't bother to be honest. He's become nothing but trouble. He's worse than Terrell Owens for being the diva.

The_Honeybadger

DM_2092 wrote: »

I wouldn't bother to be honest. He's become nothing but trouble. He's worse than Terrell Owens for being the diva.

Without a doubt. I’m a Steelers fans and I would not want him back if he played for free. That said, some team will probably roll the dice now that there is clarity regarding his suspension.

Christy42

DM_2092 wrote: »

I wouldn't bother to be honest. He's become nothing but trouble. He's worse than Terrell Owens for being the diva.

I wouldn't either. However I do see the temptation. If you could count on him to play he is easily one of the best. Top 3 for me. It's not like the Pats lost a lot taking that shot last year. Big if on him actually getting on the field again though and then can't imagine a lot of his teammates liked him so there are other costs.

eagle eye

A situation will arise where a team is on the verge of the playoffs and loses their best receiver. He'll get an opportunity like that.

jack presley

eagle eye wrote: »

A situation will arise where a team is on the verge of the playoffs and loses their best receiver. He'll get an opportunity like that.

His suspension doesn’t start until he signs with a team though.

The_Honeybadger

jack presley wrote: »

His suspension doesn’t start until he signs with a team though.

I would have thought that too but the NFL website says it’s weeks 1-8 regardless of whether he is on a team or not so I think eagle eye is right, he may be picked up mid season if a team loses a few receivers to injury or whatever.

I know Green Bay would probably never go for someone with his past but I’d love to see what he could do with Rodgers and Adams.

Itssoeasy

Matthew Stafford has been placed on the covid-19 list by the lions.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Matthew Stafford has been placed on the covid-19 list by the lions.

Hard to see how this won't happen during the regular season. The roster is so vast, that it will surely occur to a big player who will miss some big games. Unless the NFL can create a bubble for the players, it's gonna play a huge factor into how the season plays out. Not a huge number in terms of opt outs so far, but I haven't seen a confirmed deadline yet, so tough to tell how it will go.

the baby bull elephant

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Matthew Stafford has been placed on the covid-19 list by the lions.

Hopefully he doesn't have it, a few Lions have been placed on it now. Hopefully most of them are just for being in close proximity with whoever has it.

Aside from the possible effects to his own health not great timing with a newborn and young triplets.

Jofspring

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Hard to see how this won't happen during the regular season. The roster is so vast, that it will surely occur to a big player who will miss some big games. Unless the NFL can create a bubble for the players, it's gonna play a huge factor into how the season plays out. Not a huge number in terms of opt outs so far, but I haven't seen a confirmed deadline yet, so tough to tell how it will go.

I think I read August 4th as an opt out deadline but could be wrong.

The_Honeybadger

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Hard to see how this won't happen during the regular season. The roster is so vast, that it will surely occur to a big player who will miss some big games. Unless the NFL can create a bubble for the players, it's gonna play a huge factor into how the season plays out. Not a huge number in terms of opt outs so far, but I haven't seen a confirmed deadline yet, so tough to tell how it will go.

They were saying on one of the NFL podcasts that I was listening to during the week that they are not looking at a bubble environment but players will be expected to restrict their movements during the season, no bars or nightclubs or events with more than 15 people. Players will be expected to almost cocoon during the season. Very hard to enforce among a couple of thousands millionaires in their twenties.

Even if most of them behave it only takes one player or staff member to bring it and spread it throughout the facility causing potentially multiple game cancellations. Even with testing there is bound to be slip ups. It will be a miracle if they finish the season tbh.

Realt Dearg Sec

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

They were saying on one of the NFL podcasts that I was listening to during the week that they are not looking at a bubble environment but players will be expected to restrict their movements during the season, no bars or nightclubs or events with more than 15 people. Players will be expected to almost cocoon during the season. Very hard to enforce among a couple of thousands millionaires in their twenties.

Even if most of them behave it only takes one player or staff member to bring it and spread it throughout the facility causing potentially multiple game cancellations. Even with testing there is bound to be slip ups. It will be a miracle if they finish the season tbh.

The track record of NFL players being asked to behave for the sake of the team wouldn't exactly inspire confidence for this. They can't get some lads to get a gun license before driving around with a pistol in the glove compartment, so my hopes would be, to be charitable, minimal.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Jofspring wrote: »

I think I read August 4th as an opt out deadline but could be wrong.

I had heard that as well, but apparently it has yet to be signed off by both parties. When it's done, they then have a week to opt out, so the earliest is next Sunday (if they were to sign it today). But it looks like the NFL is trying push the deadline to within 2-3 days of signing it.

The NFLPA should really check the fine print on this, as should the players. It's not that you just contract the virus and recover. There is the possibility that a player dies (pretty small chance), but moreso that they are seriously affected by this and may be unable to play again to the required level due to lung/heart damage. Hope they have included a package for players that have their career ended.

Foxtrol

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

The track record of NFL players being asked to behave for the sake of the team wouldn't exactly inspire confidence for this. They can't get some lads to get a gun license before driving around with a pistol in the glove compartment, so my hopes would be, to be charitable, minimal.

A direct connection with their actions and money can help things.

If a player catches it and their team can prove they broke the rules (like going to a bar) they can put the player on the non-football injury list and the player won't get paid, unlike the COVID list where they will

Itssoeasy

Eagles head coach Doug Pederson has tested positive for covid-19.

Lionbacker

Confirmed now too , that Stafford has indeed tested postive for covid-19, although he is asymptomatic at the moment. So could return in 5 days as long as he returns two negative tests, otherwise 10 days without symptoms before he can return.

Foxtrol

49ers have signed Jordan Reed.

Great move by both sides, as a fantastic player when healthy on an incentivised contract and for Reed probably the best shop window out there if he performs.

I'll however squirm every time I see him take a hit and wish he'd chosen to retire.