The Liam Miller memorial match and Rule 42

dixiefly

Bonniedog wrote: »

I couldn't give a flying fart about the soap opera storm evoked over someone most people never even heard of.

If you want to change GAA rules, join a club and put forward motions.

Country is turning into a virtual reality show.

eh and I am a club member and have been on 2 committees and held significant posts on both committees so don't turn this into a lecture when you don't even know my background.

Vinnie222

Does anyone know how much of the money that will be raised is going to charity .

pjohnson

Patww79 wrote: »

Intensely ugly do you want a tissue?

He's correct in that there's a lot of falsities going around to try and damage the GAA in all this. Would certainly make me think differently about soccer in this country.

Like what?

Did they not refuse to host a charity event?

dixiefly

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Why? when most of the people speaking out against the GAA stanse are actually GAA people.

OldMrBrennan83

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Harry Palmr

Many GAA supporters have shown themselves to be petty minded bigots using the organisations "rules" as cover for their antediluvian attitudes.

Bridge93

Patww79 wrote: »

I must be naive but I never realised the boiling hate there was for the GAA among most of the soccer ones.

'Most' people are rational and fall in the middle areas of the spectrum whether they believe the GAA are right or not.

There are mindless idiots on both sides who occupy the extremes who's comments have been embarrassing. This issue gives them both a platform to spew their distaste for other sports

Bonniedog

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Many GAA supporters have shown themselves to be petty minded bigots using the organisations "rules" as cover for their antediluvian attitudes.

What part of Liverpool are you from?

Niles Crane

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Many GAA supporters have shown themselves to be petty minded bigots using the organisations "rules" as cover for their antediluvian attitudes.

Really.

I'd say 95% of GAA members and fans are in favour of holding the match in PUC.

roadmaster

I see the way people are using the public funds to bash the gaa so does that mean any hurling club in south Dublin should be aloud to use a certain hockey pitch for training during the winter since it got public funds? Personally I think PUC should be used for anything and everything in general to make money for the cork county board. It’s there asset and they should use it as much as possible. The amount of people just jumping on the bandwagon to bash the gaa is sickening.Also due to the issues with social media I think the gaa need to invest in a new pr person

zetalambda

Ironically, if this football match goes ahead in PUC, it will be the first time that the stadium is full for a sporting event!

Bonniedog

zetalambda wrote: »

Ironically, if this football match goes ahead in PUC, it will be the first time that the stadium is full for a sporting event!

Shows how much you know.

tototoe

Will they sell 45k tickets for this?

And when was it full since redevelopment for a game?

pjohnson

Bonniedog wrote: »

What part of Liverpool are you from?

Ah now we get to why you (and Niles) dont want the fundraiser generating maximum funds!

Unfortunately for you

https://www.buzz.ie/football/liam-miller-pairc-ui-chaoimh-293147

Niles Crane

pjohnson wrote: »

Ah now we get to why you (and Niles) dont want the fundraiser generating maximum funds!

Unfortunately for you

https://www.buzz.ie/football/liam-miller-pairc-ui-chaoimh-293147

Can you please point out where in this thread have I stated I was opposed to the benefit match taking place in PUC?

grbear

If it's true that the match will now take place at Pairc Ui Chaoimh then full credit to the likes of Horan and the Cork County Board for making it happen.

Time to put the bitterness of the past few days to bed and focus on making the event as good as possible now.

Patww79

Patww79 wrote: »

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No no, that was not the constant refrain from Bonniedog.

He was not having a go at those on social media, or the media itself, or those who came out to attack the GAA.

He constantly belittled Liam Miller himself with a "who is he, no one even knew of him" line, and took it out on the organisers who are, in effect, a charity raising money for the deceased's family and a hospice. There is little suggestion that they have orchestrated any campaign.

He was entitled to defend the GAA, sneering at the deceased was not good enough.

Hammer Archer

Bonniedog wrote: »

I couldn't give a flying fart about the soap opera storm evoked over someone most people never even heard of.

If you want to change GAA rules, join a club and put forward motions.

Country is turning into a virtual reality show.

That sort of post is not on. Your (lack of) knowledge of a deceased footballer doesn’t automatically mean that “most people never heard” of them.

A note to everyone: this is an emotive issue and will obviously attract posters who wouldn’t regularly post on the GAA forum. There’s no problem with this and it’s not on for regular GAA forum posters to use this as a stick to beat others with.
Having said that, calling GAA supporters bigots is equally not on and any more of that will lead to cards/bans.

Sheep breeder

threeball wrote: »

I'm no soccer fan. Hate the game actually and am well up to speed on most matters GAA and I think it's a shocking decision. If it were one of those pre-season exhibition games I'd say no way. Cork city vs man u in UEFA cup could go swing too. But this is a charity event for the benefit of a young man's family cut short in his prime and for the medical facilities that cared for him in his final days. To me it's not even a question

Well said as a gaa and all sports person I agree totally with you, cancer is cruel the way it takes all types,ages of people

Brendan Bendar

roadmaster wrote: »

I see the way people are using the public funds to bash the gaa so does that mean any hurling club in south Dublin should be aloud to use a certain hockey pitch for training during the winter since it got public funds? Personally I think PUC should be used for anything and everything in general to make money for the cork county board. It’s there asset and they should use it as much as possible. The amount of people just jumping on the bandwagon to bash the gaa is sickening.Also due to the issues with social media I think the gaa need to invest in a new pr person

Good post there,my friend.

There have been several climb downs by the GAA recently due to very badly handled issues .

The PR division needs to be put on warning status. Shape the fcuk up quick!


All this stuff begs a very important question.

Is PUC a GAA stadium under GAA rules or is it a stadium for everybody.

Needs answering.

Because if the latter is true, heads need to roll in the GAA.

TCDStudent1

I am number 1 a GAA supporter with a bit of interest in Irish soccer. I certainly knew who Liam Miller was. I think the GAA should make an exception here and allow the game to be played. Celebrate his GAA career (even if it was a short one) as well. Celebrate his sporting career rather than his soccer career.

Another needless PR disaster for the GAA. Hopefully they sort this out asap and let common sense prevail

OldMrBrennan83

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Patww79

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Was aware the GAA was climbing down, but didn't know it was confirmed. Great news.

OldMrBrennan83

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Patww79

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I'm a GAA fan as well as soccer. I'm just happy more cash can be raised for a really good cause.

It's not me that has hate flowing.

OldMrBrennan83

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Patww79

Patww79 wrote: »

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You seems like you want an argument. I'll let you vent at someoe else.


Happy to see a good outcome in this case.

OldMrBrennan83

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Hammer Archer

Calm it down Pat!

Bridge93

So you were in favour of the game being played in PUC and then, due to a number of idiotic nobodies who don't understand the intricacies of the situation, you hope the family and charities suffer from a reduced revenue just so these idiots don't get what they want?
Seems pretty petulant

threeball

Where's the confirmation of this being allowed to go ahead. Rte not reporting it.

The PR lads at croker need to get the chop. They're not capable of doing what should be a very simple job and very quick to react without thinking. Exactly what you don't need in an organisation the lives and breathes because of goodwill.

threeball

Bridge93 wrote: »

So you were in favour of the game being played in PUC and then, due to a number of idiotic nobodies who don't understand the intricacies of the situation, you hope the family and charities suffer from a reduced revenue just so these idiots don't get what they want?
Seems pretty petulant

He's very conflicted.

Brendan Bendar

Patww79 wrote: »

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Pat,what needs to be sorted now are these few things

1.Who controls PUC and under whose rules does it operate.

2. Who decided that this event could not be accommodated

We need names here.

3.What terms and conditions were agreed to by the GAA,exactly what, to avail of funding to re develop the stadium.


People like you and I defended the GAA on this issue, if it turns out that they were wrong in not initially allowing the event,then heads must roll as this was and is a PR disaster.

OldMrBrennan83

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pjohnson

Patww79 wrote: »

The bile from soccer fans the last few days has me a full 180 and very disappointed they're allowing it now. Should have dug the heels in.

Anyway let then at it and hopefully it's the last time. I doubt ticket prices will miraculously halve either.

Yeah. Screw fundraising to show meanie "soccer fans" a lesson.

Bridge93

Patww79 wrote: »

I was very surprised by the carry-on. Surprised enough to completely side with the GAA on it when I didn't initially. Hard to wrap your head around or what?

Yeah a bit. Thought you could make you're own mind up about what was right and wrong rather than getting riled up by internet trolls
Completely ignores some of the bollox on the GAA side too. Both sides have gob****es who should have their internet controlled.

Turnipman

roadmaster wrote: »

I see the way people are using the public funds to bash the gaa so does that mean any hurling club in south Dublin should be aloud to use a certain hockey pitch for training during the winter since it got public funds?

The floodlit synthetic hockey pitch located at Wesley College (being the one that you're afraid to name for some curious reason) is available for hire by outside sports clubs, be they hurlers, footballers, scuba divers, or incest enthusiasts.

All that you need to do is ring up the management and book a time for your club.

pjohnson

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Pat,what needs to be sorted now are these few things

1.Who controls PUC and under whose rules does it operate.

2. Who decided that this event could not be accommodated

We need names here.

3.What terms and conditions were agreed to by the GAA,exactly what, to avail of funding to re develop the stadium.


People like you and I defended the GAA on this issue, if it turns out that they were wrong in not initially allowing the event,then heads must roll as this was and is a PR disaster.

You realise this is by design not a regular thing. You'd swear Cork City were moving there full time with some of the carry on here!

pjohnson

Turnipman wrote: »

The floodlit synthetic hockey pitch located at Wesley College (being the one that you're afraid to name for some curious reason) is available for hire by outside sports clubs, be they hurlers, footballers, scuba divers, or incest enthusiasts.

All that you need to do is ring up the management and book a time for your club.

Well thats quite a niche sport :pac:

Guffy

ted1 wrote: »

American football does not compete for players with the GAA.
They would have planned long in advance. Not 2 months before hand.

Ya it does. Many a defensive player I have aquired from GAA clubs

Turnipman

pjohnson wrote: »

Well thats quite a niche sport :pac:

Very good for team building, I'm told!

Wailin

Jaysus Patww79, your hate for soccer fans is almost on par with your hate for cyclists over on the motor forum

It's give and take and surely you can see why people (not only soccer fans btw) are taken aback by the GAA and their rule 42 which they abandoned long ago when they allowed rugby and football at croke park. You need to cool the jets there's as much "vitriol" coming from you as anyone else.

OldMrBrennan83

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pjohnson

Patww79 wrote: »

I don't hate soccer fans, I am one, but I definitely found such a strong hatred from most of them towards the GAA to be very surprising. Their woes are because their sport is run by a bunch of cowboys (who could stand to learn something from the amateur game) and because most potential fans watch mancs and scousers on telly. So why despise everything about the GAA?

Theres only a few people despising any sport and its GAA people despising soccer for coming into THEIR stadium. Most others are simply annoyed at the daft decision to stop a fundraising event. Yet this fundraiser is apparently a part of an Anti-GAA conspiracy for some.


Jesus even the GPA is part of the conspiracy
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/gpa-gaa-liam-miller-393336

roadmaster

Turnipman wrote: »

The floodlit synthetic hockey pitch located at Wesley College (being the one that you're afraid to name for some curious reason) is available for hire by outside sports clubs, be they hurlers, footballers, scuba divers, or incest enthusiasts.

All that you need to do is ring up the management and book a time for your club.

My issue is more with people using the public money to winge at the gaa. I don’t think that’s a route people should be going down. This may open and close the debate around the use of stadiums once and for all. I personally am in favor of municipal stadiums. Have a look at st pats idea for the stadium in inchicore I believe that could have being expanded to cater for the 4 major sports. Basically a mini Bertie bowl. It would have being always used and would be a brilliant urban renewal project . We are only 5 million people and as I heard Brian o Driscoll say come spring we are in to rugby summer gaa and then soccer when Ireland are doing well

Fr Tod Umptious

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That tweet from the Evening Echo reporter is the only mention of it being at PUC

All RTE are saying is that there will be a meeting.

alaimacerc

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Like, how to gouge €30m from the government for a stadium on the basis it'd be available for other field sports, then point-blank refuse to make it available for other field sports?

I guess...

twowheelsonly

Patww79 wrote: »

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Full disclosure: Yes, I'm a soccer fan. (Still have great time for the GAA games though and most of it's members..)


I don't think there was any "boiling hate" for the regular run of the mill GAA man who either plays or volunteers at his local club and will sweat buckets for his club. The hate, to me, seemed to be directed at the suits that made and stick by these decisions and then come out with some of the most whacky statements imaginable. As has been mentioned earlier, the PR Department desperately needs a serious shake up.
Incidentally. I don't see where this hate was driven by the organising comittee in any shape or form - to me it just seemed like something that spiralled after the initial announcement. Some reporter asked the Lord Mayor about PUC and he answered that they enquired but that it wouldn't be happening there. Seemed to grow legs of its' own on Social Media after that.
Also, ironically enough, if there's one thing the average soccer fan here hates more than the GAA it's by far and away the FAI !!!


Slightly off topic but still related, I honestly believe that it's time for the GAA to relax or abandon the Rule 42.
As it is clubs all over the country are renting out their astroturf pitches to just about anyone that wants them. Officially it's not really happening but everyone knows that it is. Why ?? because it's income for the local clubs and no-one has a problem with that.
The next step, IMO is to allow some of the stadia to be used as well. It would literally be once in a blue moon in any case but that would still be more exposure for the stadium and more cash for the GAA. PUC and the Gaelic Grounds are prime examples. Holding more big games in these can only be a win for the GAA. Someone commented earlier that he wouldn't like to see Cork City play Man Utd in PUC in the Champions league or whatever... Why not ?? I can assure you that thousands of businessmen in Cork would argue that with you. Likewise in Limerick, which must be one of the GAAs' greatest underused white elephants.
As an aside, Cork City are 2 games away from the group stages of the Europa League. Already in the group stages are the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, AC Milan, Lazio, Anderlecht and Bayer Leverkeusen. IF (and that's a huge if !!!) they were to qualify what right thinking businessman would want those ties moved to Dublin ? Principles and rules are all well and good but games like those would punch a serious hole in the Cork County Boards overdraft. Crazy, crazy, crazy to send that money up the road to Dublin. Limerick, Galway and all the others should be thinking along the same lines.

alaimacerc

ted1 wrote: »

Lovely language, soccer really dies attract the cultural elite.

What reaction are you not surprised at?

Rule 42 is well known. It reflects badly non the organisers of the match

Yes, completely impossible to sanction non-Gaa matches at Gaa grounds, right you are.

https://www.americanfootball.ie/venue/garden-city-gaa-pitch-gorey/