The Liam Miller memorial match and Rule 42

alaimacerc

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Slightly off topic but still related, I honestly believe that it's time for the GAA to relax or abandon the Rule 42.

I think they should, at a minimum, add a Croke-type rule for other venues that have received large public subventions. I'm not going to die in a ditch to say exactly what amount is "large", but I'd say that anytime it's sparked off a EU Commission investigation of improper state subsidy, spin the motor around and drive it back a few million. Or if such use is part of the explicit purpose of granting the money in the first place. Both being the case with PUC.

Bonniedog

Deleted User wrote: »

No no, that was not the constant refrain from Bonniedog.

He was not having a go at those on social media, or the media itself, or those who came out to attack the GAA.

He constantly belittled Liam Miller himself with a "who is he, no one even knew of him" line, and took it out on the organisers who are, in effect, a charity raising money for the deceased's family and a hospice. There is little suggestion that they have orchestrated any campaign.

He was entitled to defend the GAA, sneering at the deceased was not good enough.

before

I never heard of Liam Millar before. Same as soccer supporters probably never heard of Matt Connor who neve got a testimonial.

As for the Liverpool supporter, how many people in Liverpool support Cork City or Dundalk?

trapp

Bonniedog wrote: »

before

I never heard of Liam Millar before. Same as soccer supporters probably never heard of Matt Connor who neve got a testimonial.

As for the Liverpool supporter, how many people in Liverpool support Cork City or Dundalk?

Spell his name properly at least, it must be great to hide your bigoted views behind your ignorance.

As an aside the vast vast vast majority of sports people in this country play or played and follow to various extents soccer, hurling and gaelic football.

Then, as with everything else, there are idiots on the extreme of both sides who embarrass themselves.

On the GAA side these people constantly and rightly point out the great work done by GAA clubs all over the country but always put in a criticism of soccer too by implying that soccer clubs do little.

In reality the working class areas of Limerick, Dublin, Cork, Waterford, Belfast etc are full of volunteers in soccer clubs doing their best for the kids in these areas.

Volunteers exist in all sports, listening to some GAA men would lead you to believe they are exclusive to the GAA.

Seems to me that the GAA is becoming more and more elitist in both a sporting and social sense.

Extortionate ticket prices
Money making round robins
Games hidden behind pay per view tv stations
The dominant game in middle class areas
Is it now a requirement for an inter county player to go to (and pay for) a third level education - how many of the Dub hurlers or footballers come from the inner city or a council estate in Tallaght, how many of the Limerick hurlers come from Moyross or Southill?

Seems to me that Gaelic Games are now games for only certain Irish people rather than all Irish people or was it always that way anyway?

Imagine that a Cork man, a true rebel, can't have a game in his memory played in the biggest stadium in his city because he had the cheek to play a ''foreign'' game.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Cork City FC are in the draw for the 3rd round Europa League next week. One of the potential teams is Celtic. Would there be a reopening of the debate if this happens?

While PUC is a GAA stadium, I think when an event that benefits the people of Cork can be hosted there then it should be. Otherwise to make things fair Cork City FC should get 30 million in public funds to build their own stadium, and Munster Rugby as well. So Cork can have 3 stadiums that are full once a year. That's an Irish solution to an Irish problem right there.

It's not often that Cork gets the chance to host big events, and any chance it does get benefits the whole of the city and county imo.

Bonniedog

trapp wrote: »

Spell his name properly at least, it must be great to hide your bigoted views behind your ignorance.

As an aside the vast vast vast majority of sports people in this country play or played and follow to various extents soccer, hurling and gaelic football.

Then, as with everything else, there are idiots on the extreme of both sides who embarrass themselves.

On the GAA side these people constantly and rightly point out the great work done by GAA clubs all over the country but always put in a criticism of soccer too by implying that soccer clubs do little.

In reality the working class areas of Limerick, Dublin, Cork, Waterford, Belfast etc are full of volunteers in soccer clubs doing their best for the kids in these areas.

Volunteers exist in all sports, listening to some GAA men would lead you to believe they are exclusive to the GAA.

Seems to me that the GAA is becoming more and more elitist in both a sporting and social sense.

Extortionate ticket prices
Money making round robins
Games hidden behind pay per view tv stations
The dominant game in middle class areas
Is it now a requirement for an inter county player to go to (and pay for) a third level education - how many of the Dub hurlers or footballers come from the inner city or a council estate in Tallaght, how many of the Limerick hurlers come from Moyross or Southill?

Seems to me that Gaelic Games are now games for only certain Irish people rather than all Irish people or was it always that way anyway?

Imagine that a Cork man, a true rebel, can't have a game in his memory played in the biggest stadium in his city because he had the cheek to play a ''foreign'' game.

I never heard of him before this. How was he a "true rebel"? Because he played for a Scottish soccer team?

Looks like GAA have surrendered once again, so you have won. Megan to throw in ball for Cork county final

trapp

Bonniedog wrote: »

I never heard of him before this. How was he a "true rebel"? Because he played for a Scottish soccer team?

Looks like GAA have surrendered once again, so you have won. Megan to throw in ball for Cork county final

A true rebel because he was from Cork.

Forget Megan throwing in the ball, if the Gah keeps going at this rate in 20 years time it will only be played in the private schools and soccer will be the number one sport all over the country.

Who knows without the gah taking all the talent we might even make a World Cup!

markodaly

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

All this stuff begs a very important question.

Is PUC a GAA stadium under GAA rules or is it a stadium for everybody.

Needs answering.

Because if the latter is true, heads need to roll in the GAA.

Almost all legal opinion at the moment indicates that because of state aid rules and the decision from the EC, that PUC has to open its doors to other sports.

The GAA rule book does not and cannot supersede the law of the land, and as Ireland is a member of the EU, the EC ruling supersede rule 42.
If this went to court, the GAA would lose hands down.

I expect rule 42 to be abolished or amended come the next Congress and rightly so.

This would mean that in Cork, PUC would be seen as the main sports ground where all field sports can get a fair shake of being played there, if the case demands it. For example, Cork City FC making it to a later stage of the UEFA Cup.

Let us not forget, the 100 year battle the GAA has waged on other sports in the country. People go on about the FAI and Cork City FC building their own facilities, would have been a lot easier if it were not for the GAA not arm wrestling and suppressing these other sports with various rules, right out of Jim Crow era Deep Southern USA.

I welcome this move and hopefully, the top brass of the GAA realise that it's not at war with other sports.

delboythedub

Good idea Shift it to the Aviva. Job Done.

pjohnson

Bonniedog wrote: »

I never heard of him before this. How was he a "true rebel"? Because he played for a Scottish soccer team?

Looks like GAA have surrendered once again, so you have won. Megan to throw in ball for Cork county final

He also did play for Cork as you've been told before but sure he played that foreign game so I guess he doesn't deserve anything since he "betrayed" us.

Utterly embarassing carry on from you.

P_1

markodaly wrote: »

Almost all legal opinion at the moment indicates that because of state aid rules and the decision from the EC, that PUC has to open its doors to other sports.

The GAA rule book does not and cannot supersede the law of the land, and as Ireland is a member of the EU, the EC ruling supersede rule 42.
If this went to court, the GAA would lose hands down.

I expect rule 42 to be abolished or amended come the next Congress and rightly so.

This would mean that in Cork, PUC would be seen as the main sports ground where all field sports can get a fair shake of being played there, if the case demands it. For example, Cork City FC making it to a later stage of the UEFA Cup.

Let us not forget, the 100 year battle the GAA has waged on other sports in the country. People go on about the FAI and Cork City FC building their own facilities, would have been a lot easier if it were not for the GAA not arm wrestling and suppressing these other sports with various rules, right out of Jim Crow era Deep Southern USA.

I welcome this move and hopefully, the top brass of the GAA realise that it's not at war with other sports.

Hopefully the top brass in the GAA can see this benefit and join the rest of us in the 21st century. We are a small island in global terms subdividing ourselves further makes absolutely zero sense. Imagine the economic boon to Cork that 2 full houses seeing Cork City v Celtic and Cork City v Arsenal would bring. Plus showcasing how unique a stadium PuC is to the world.

Lads I can only see benefits here.

ShatterProof

delboythedub wrote: »

Good idea Shift it to the Aviva. Job Done.

Your name says it all.

Trampas

While personally I think it should be played in Cork it just shows up how bad the fai is.

Only 1 decent ground in the country. They don’t give a flying **** about anything else bar the international team. Just look at the mess with bray and limerick.

Easy for them to let the gaa take the abuse when really they should be the fai taking it

alaimacerc

markodaly wrote: »

Almost all legal opinion at the moment indicates that because of state aid rules and the decision from the EC, that PUC has to open its doors to other sports.

I suspect their advice is that they've given some sort of undertaking to that effect, consistent at least with the government going hugger mugger for the rugger bugger wugger cugger, but only within the terms of their existing rulebook. Meaning:

• Up to a year's notice needed (not a problem for the RWC, of course);
• Approved on an exceptional, ad hoc basis; rule prohibiting it remains, so a separate decision allowing each contravening fixture is needed, so as to avoid any slippery-slope precedents;
• You'll have to give us a ton of further public money before we do so ("exceptional costs arising"; "need to further develop the facility for multiple-sport use");
• No, a bit more than that;
• Keep going;
• We'll say when;
• We can still say no, on any grounds whatsoever. Some field sports, but not others (already de facto the case: NFL good, garrison games bad). Neighbouring counties ganging up to sabotage a rival's nice little earner.

alaimacerc

Bonniedog wrote: »

How was he a "true rebel"? Because he played for a Scottish soccer team?

I know, right? A True Rebel would have played for Man U!

Bonniedog

Bonniedog wrote: »

before

I never heard of Liam Millar before. Same as soccer supporters probably never heard of Matt Connor who neve got a testimonial.

The analogy is terrible.

First of all, you separate GAA and soccer supporters as if they are different people entirely, each completely ignorant of the other sport, because you never heard of Liam Miller.

Secondly, Miller played for Ireland, Manchester United and Celtic in recent years, the clubs are known and supported throughout the island and indeed the world. Matt Connor was probably more highly regarded in his sport...but he played for Offaly c. 35 years ago.

On an aside, it seems remarkable that Connor never got a benefit, tribute or testimonial, something that should be condemned in a thread of its own. You don't do the GAA any favours by contrasting the two.

And finally, I note you chose to.spell Miller in an unusual way. If you do open a thread about how badly the GAA has treated Matt Connor, you would be unhappy if the best someone could do was to keep posting 'who's Matt Conners, most people never heard of Matt Conners".

OldMrBrennan83

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alaimacerc

Patww79 wrote: »

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As google is a thing, we can pretty much automatically assume that people have little excuse to be citing their own lack of personal knowledge as proof-positive of someone's deep obscurity.

OldMrBrennan83

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Patww79

Patww79 wrote: »

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There is no issue with the poster not knowing of him. But to repeatedly insist that most never heard of him, and to insist on.spelling his name in an unusual way? I think we both suspect he is being deliberately obtuse.

And even if he is completely ignorant of both the player and the correct spelling, what's he driving at? That the cancer wasn't such an issue because he wasn't as well known as Bonniedog thinks he should be to merit a tribute? Or, from his latest effort, because the GAA have ignored Matt Connor's injury, others sports fans should ignore Liam Miller's passing?

He at least seems to have dropped the line that it's all a ruse to embarrass the GAA, orchestrated by those raising money for Miller's wife, children and a hospice.

Brendan Bendar

I don’t think it’s fair to the Miller family to be discussing Liam’s career.

The lad went way too early and we all agree on that.

The issue here is the use of PUC for a soccer testimonial.

1 Have the GAA the power to refuse it?

2. What is the status of PUC viz a viz other events being held

3. Are there terms and conditions in there which we don’t know about.


These are the pertinent questions about which I haven’t seen definitive backed up answers to.

This needs to be cleared up properly for the future, as issues like this will definitely recur again.

OldMrBrennan83

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Patww79

Patww79 wrote: »

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Alternatively, a very clear signal that sports organisations with bans about the use of their facilities in their rules should be denied grant assistance and a clear message to not even ask again in the future. Would also clear up confusion.

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

Alternatively, a very clear signal that sports organisations with bans about the use of their facilities in their rules should be denied grant assistance and a clear message to not even ask again in the future. Would also clear up confusion.

Conor denying sports organizations, especially amateur ethos sports like the GAA grant assistance is frankly ludicrous.

Their own money pays for most of the stadia, the upkeep the running costs etc

If we want all purpose stadia for instance in Cork, then the people of Cork or the government should pay for it.

You need to think this stuff through Conor.


The bottom line is still the most important here

Ha ve the GAA the rights to refuse permission for an event in PUC.

It’s that simple and until I get clear proof either way I will uphold the GAA stance

If the GAA are happy to accept public money( and they absolutely should be given grants), then they should be open to using their facilities from time to time.

alaimacerc

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

3. Are there terms and conditions in there which we don’t know about.


These are the pertinent questions about which I haven’t seen definitive backed up answers to.

Do we definitively know the things we don't know about? That's a puzzler all right.

It's clear the EU Commission were given some sort of assurance their would be "non-discriminatory" access given to "other field sports". I don't think we know the details of that, either from the government or from the Gaa. It seems at least that the gov and the gaa had some sort of nod-and-a-wink understanding about the RWC, and the EUC were told it would go beyond that.

Surely it would indeed have been much better if this had been done much more transparently.

Sheep breeder

Patww79 wrote: »

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Look you seem to be missing the big picture here, in Ireland people love sport and that is a fact. A lot of gaa lads play soccer or rugby in the off season and no run of the mill gaa club has its own elite set of players who have no other sports interest and that is a fact. Sport is a seasonal thing and kids follow what is in season and it’s all about taking part and enjoyment.
Last night on the news the Irish women hockey team beat America, people watch for Shane Lowry in the golf and watch the results of the tour the France.
And before you get up on the gaa kkk stance, I played gaa in four counties and was on committees for years and now involved with ladies football ( the new light for the gaa). The most important thing with an sports pitch is that it is being used for enjoyment by all people young and old.

My local pitch is used by a retired man who does laps of the pitch running as he is afraid to run on the road and never played gaa, but buys 3 tickets a week for the last 20 years in the club loto and is he not a supporter of the gaa. Every lad in the village has played in a soccer kick around in the pitch and maybe never played gaa and he is black and Amber supporter of the club and will come out and support the club in fund raising or follow the team. Sport is for everybody and to say you never heard of Liam miller is foolish first and foremost he was and Irishman and a cork man and a sports person.

alaimacerc

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Ha ve the GAA the rights to refuse permission for an event in PUC.

Their claim isn't quite that; it's that they're obliged to refuse permission (without waiting until next year's congress).

pjohnson

Patww79 wrote: »

Even if they allow this, there should be a hard line drawn under it and a clear message to not even ask again in the future. Would save all confusion.

Hopefully Rule 42 gets expanded to forbid any concerts or charitable events in future. Thats the ideal scenario yeah?

Brendan Bendar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You need to think this stuff through Conor.

Oh I agree that it should not be denied.

I was responding to the suggestion that permission be given on this occasion only but only on the basis that no young man dies in tragic circumstances that might give rise to another request like this again. The whole "oh alright, but this time only" tone of Patww's post. I pointed out that if certainty is required to address any confusion about whether they can or can't, there is at least one other possibility, I wasn't advocating it.

alaimacerc

pjohnson wrote: »

Hopefully Rule 42 gets expanded to forbid any concerts or charitable events in future. Thats the ideal scenario yeah?

U2 might be argued to be a Garrison Band, but I don't think they're regarded as a rival sport. Hence concerts come under the "nice little earner" category.

alaimacerc

Patww79 wrote: »

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Nope.

An "obscure player" that's been capped 21 times for his country? What's your threshold for ever-so-mildly known?

You're trying to make out as if we'd all turned up at Bonniedog's house and forcibly administered a soccer pop quiz. He's entitled to know as little (or as much) as he likes, no problems there.

The difficulty is him repeatedly attempting to wave his claimed lack of knowledge around as if it were some sort of trump card. He's a walking Gaa-follower litmus test: if he's heard of someone, maybe his tribute match is Gaa-stadium-worthy, if he hasn't, no way.

Turnipman

Bonniedog wrote: »

before

I never heard of Liam Millar before. Same as soccer supporters probably never heard of Matt Connor who neve got a testimonial.

You had to go all the way back to poor Matt Connor to dig that bit of whataboutery out of the attic?

First, Matt didn't die, Liam Miller has.

And second, as far as I can remember (it was a long time ago) Matt's employers (AGS) kept him in his job until he retired.

You're comparing apples and potatoes there.

Murphy14

Firstly I believe the right thing to do is the play the match Pairc Ui Chaomhe however the FAI are getting away with their lack of foresight and development when they where loaded with money during the Charlton & Mc Carthy eras they failed to delevop or deliver significant stadia (Aviva developed primarily by IRFU) FAI should have major stadia in Cork, Limerick,Sligo and Dundalk
" Build it and they will come"

Brendan Bendar

Murphy14 wrote: »

Firstly I believe the right thing to do is the play the match Pairc Ui Chaomhe however the FAI are getting away with their lack of foresight and development when they where loaded with money during the Charlton & Mc Carthy eras they failed to delevop or deliver significant stadia (Aviva developed primarily by IRFU) FAI should have major stadia in Cork, Limerick,Sligo and Dundalk
" Build it and they will come"

I’m afraid that is in the realm of wishful thinking and if you really thought about it,pie in the sky stuff.

Your other points about the FAI are correct though.

Vunderground

I think the last thing this country needs is another few while elephant stadiums.

Speaking as someone who just enjoys sport as sport and used to enjoy this GAA forum a lot - I find this whole thing very depressing.

Bridge93

The uproar that would develop if the FAI built major stadia around the country with tax payer money for a league that doesn't fill the grounds in place currently. A lot of the stadiums need a makeover but they do not need to be any bigger then they are currently. The national team play in the Aviva. After that there just isn't the requirement for a series of big football stadiums

Fr Tod Umptious

Murphy14 wrote: »

Firstly I believe the right thing to do is the play the match Pairc Ui Chaomhe however the FAI are getting away with their lack of foresight and development when they where loaded with money during the Charlton & Mc Carthy eras they failed to delevop or deliver significant stadia (Aviva developed primarily by IRFU) FAI should have major stadia in Cork, Limerick,Sligo and Dundalk
" Build it and they will come"

Build it and they will cone ?

Go to Darlington

There is no demand for large soccer stadiums in Ireland

Fr Tod Umptious

Vunderground wrote: »

I think the last thing this country needs is another few while elephant stadiums.

Speaking as someone who just enjoys sport as sport and used to enjoy this GAA forum a lot - I find this whole thing very depressing.

I do too

I find it depressing that the GAA seem to be so tied to Rule 42, it needs to be amended to be far more flexible while still protecting Gaelic games.

And it's depressing that so many people just look at the money given to the GAA and use it as a stick to beat them with,
When in fact all sports get state money and the GAA put back so much more into the country than they ever take out, but that does not make for good headlines.

dulpit

I live in the northside of Cork, I drive down Cathedral Road every day and have a lovely view of Pairc Ui Chaoimh's South Stand (aka the covered stand, aka the big one). It's always empty.

It's a big massive stadium that has been used a handful of times since opened. What's wrong with using it more? The worst side effect I can see for the GAA is they get more money.

Do people really think if (eg) Cork City played a few matches in Pairc Ui Chaoimh or Ireland did, or Munster Rugby did, or whoever did, that it would be a negative impact on the GAA? If the stadium was fully subscribed with events every week, sure it could be an issue. But it's not. So what harm?

GAA clubs already rent out their AstroTurf pitches for soccer anyway, what makes that different?

Also, on a purely strategic level, it's not been the best summer from a PR point of view for the GAA. The decision with (I think) Wexford not getting a home game, then the Kildare issue, then the Donegal/Dublin thing - this could have been a slam dunk easy win, but they screwed the pooch.

threeball

Vunderground wrote: »

I think the last thing this country needs is another few while elephant stadiums.

Speaking as someone who just enjoys sport as sport and used to enjoy this GAA forum a lot - I find this whole thing very depressing.

Hopefully the off shoot of this is that every county board stops trying to build more massive white elephants like the pairc and start building appropriately sized stadiums that fit within their budget. Navan and Newbridge are the next ones due an upgrade and they shouldn't be built to hold any more than 15k.

Fr Tod Umptious

dulpit wrote: »

I live in the northside of Cork, I drive down Cathedral Road every day and have a lovely view of Pairc Ui Chaoimh's South Stand (aka the covered stand, aka the big one). It's always empty.

It's a big massive stadium that has been used a handful of times since opened. What's wrong with using it more? The worst side effect I can see for the GAA is they get more money.

Do people really think if (eg) Cork City played a few matches in Pairc Ui Chaoimh or Ireland did, or Munster Rugby did, or whoever did, that it would be a negative impact on the GAA? If the stadium was fully subscribed with events every week, sure it could be an issue. But it's not. So what harm?

GAA clubs already rent out their AstroTurf pitches for soccer anyway, what makes that different?

Also, on a purely strategic level, it's not been the best summer from a PR point of view for the GAA. The decision with (I think) Wexford not getting a home game, then the Kildare issue, then the Donegal/Dublin thing - this could have been a slam dunk easy win, but they screwed the pooch.

I don't know about rugby but there is certainly a worry from GAA people about how and what the FAI would do if they had more access to GAA stadiums.

The FAI are a basket case of an organisation and it would not be a huge stretech to thinking that they would allow their own infrastructure to become rundown if they thought they had easy access to better GAA infrastructure.

Another poster posted yesterday about the perception that people in Croke Park had about the behaviour of the IRFU compared to the behaviour of the FAI when CP was open.

Plus the GAA only lossened to rules on access to CP once the Aviva was built, safe in the knowledge that the FAI were committed to that stadium.

The FAI are cuckoo, and also are a
cuckoo

threeball

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I don't know about rugby but there is certainly a worry from GAA people about how and what the FAI would do if they had more access to GAA stadiums.

The FAI are a basket case of an organisation and it would not be a huge stretech to thinking that they would allow their own infrastructure to become rundown if they thought they had easy access to better GAA infrastructure.

Another poster posted yesterday about the perception that people in Croke Park had about the behaviour of the IRFU compared to the behaviour of the FAI when CP was open.

Plus the GAA only lossened to rules on access to CP once the Aviva was built, safe in the knowledge that the FAI were committed to that stadium.

The FAI are cuckoo, and also are a
cuckoo

I agree with this. There's no place for the FAI in gaa stadia. They don't run their shop to standard and try to piggyback on other organisations like the rugby and gaa. They're incapable of anything bar absorbing large amounts of cash.
It's also one way deal where the FAI use the GAA facilities and never the other way round. This charity event is welcome in my eyes but playing foster parents to the delinquent FAI is a no go.

Brendan Bendar

dulpit wrote: »

I live in the northside of Cork, I drive down Cathedral Road every day and have a lovely view of Pairc Ui Chaoimh's South Stand (aka the covered stand, aka the big one). It's always empty.

It's a big massive stadium that has been used a handful of times since opened. What's wrong with using it more? The worst side effect I can see for the GAA is they get more money.

Do people really think if (eg) Cork City played a few matches in Pairc Ui Chaoimh or Ireland did, or Munster Rugby did, or whoever did, that it would be a negative impact on the GAA? If the stadium was fully subscribed with events every week, sure it could be an issue. But it's not. So what harm?

GAA clubs already rent out their AstroTurf pitches for soccer anyway, what makes that different?

Also, on a purely strategic level, it's not been the best summer from a PR point of view for the GAA. The decision with (I think) Wexford not getting a home game, then the Kildare issue, then the Donegal/Dublin thing - this could have been a slam dunk easy win, but they screwed the pooch.

Would Dunnes Stores hand over three or four aisles to Aldi or Lidl in a prime Dunnes location with top class facilities.

Would a manager who took this decision off his own bat last long?

Would you think it would be sound business sense for Dunnes to allow Tesco or Lidl or Aldi to use Dunnes premises to sell Lidl /Aldi/Tesco goods on fairly regular basis?

The current issue with PUC is a bit different, but the principle is the same, you protect your competitive advantage as much as you can.

It’s pure common sense.

dulpit

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Would Dunnes Stores hand over three or four aisles to Aldi or Lidl in a prime Dunnes location with top class facilities.

Would a manager who took this decision off his own bat last long?

Would you think it would be sound business sense for Dunnes to allow Tesco or Lidl or Aldi to use Dunnes premises to sell Lidl /Aldi/Tesco goods on fairly regular basis?

The current issue with PUC is a bit different, but the principle is the same, you protect your competitive advantage as much as you can.

It’s pure common sense.

People go shopping for say bread. Of course they're only going to buy bread in the one shop. But people watch lots of sports. An awful lot of people in Ireland are soccer fans, hurling fans, rugby fans, all at the same time. The implication that a soccer match being played in a GAA stadium will cause the GAA to suffer membership loss strikes me as non-sensical

Vunderground

I'm quite shocked/depressed by some of the naked hatred here coming from both sides.

This Summer myself and the young lad went to our first cricket matches, Ireland V Pakistan and Ireland V India, and we had a great time.

I guess this makes us 'less Irish'?
I'm from Kerry (born and bred) and enjoy all kinds of sport as well as the Gaelic ones.

I guess I need to be reprogrammed!

threeball

dulpit wrote: »

People go shopping for say bread. Of course they're only going to buy bread in the one shop. But people watch lots of sports. An awful lot of people in Ireland are soccer fans, hurling fans, rugby fans, all at the same time. The implication that a soccer match being played in a GAA stadium will cause the GAA to suffer membership loss strikes me as non-sensical

Terrible analogy.

threeball

Vunderground wrote: »

I'm quite shocked/depressed by some of the naked hatred here coming from both sides.

This Summer myself and the young lad went to our first cricket matches, Ireland V Pakistan and Ireland V India, and we had a great time.

I guess this makes us 'less Irish'?
I'm from Kerry (born and bred) and enjoy all kinds of sport as well as the Gaelic ones.

I guess I need to be reprogrammed!

I didn't see any hatred in that post. Pragmatism yes. Hatred, no.

alaimacerc

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

There is no demand for large soccer stadiums in Ireland

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The FAI are a basket case of an organisation and it would not be a huge stretech to thinking that they would allow their own infrastructure to become rundown if they thought they had easy access to better GAA infrastructure.

So, there should be no large purpose-build soccer stadia, and there should be no access to large Gaa stadia built with substantial public funds. I think you have that covered!

Plus the GAA only lossened to rules on access to CP once the Aviva was built, safe in the knowledge that the FAI were committed to that stadium.

Absolutely exactly the wrong way round. Rule change was 2005. Lansdowne Road was demolished in 2007. Aviva opened in 2010.

What they did was to (at least notionally) sunset the rule, as it as written only applies "during a temporary period".

Vunderground

threeball wrote: »

I didn't see any hatred in that post. Pragmatism yes. Hatred, no.

Sorry, I didn't mean to quote that post. I agree, that's quite reasonable.
I was thinking of the general tenor of this discussion.

alaimacerc

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Would you think it would be sound business sense for Dunnes to allow Tesco or Lidl or Aldi to use Dunnes premises to sell Lidl /Aldi/Tesco goods on fairly regular basis?

It would, if they'd been given €30m of public funds on the strict basis that they would. As otherwise they'd have the arse sued off them.