US Presidential Election 2020

Rjd2

mcmoustache wrote: »

Was that about the scientology stuff or am I mixing things up again?

Aye.

Its a black mark for sure.

I do think some of the other stuff is pretty tame and not that important in grand scheme of things, surely Libya and Harris's record are a bigger issues than her comments on Castro? .,,,but nobody bar GOP **** stirrers want to discuss that.

I think she went second fav behind Harris on Friday and then the hit pieces came and well you would not bet her with stolen money. It was fun when it lasted I suppose for her.:P


EDIT...Should also say the charge that she is a far left radical looks even more absurd when you remember that Pelosi noted Communist loves her.

everlast75

Facebook and twitter have removed a clip from fox news of trump saying kids are practically immune from COVID.

It isn't hyperbole to say his handling of COVID killing people.

The US economy is teetering on the edge of a recession and he cannot do anything but double down on failed policies.

It's tragic.

I can only imagine how bad things will be in November.

everlast75

This seems interesting.

https://twitter.com/cam_joseph/status/1290853945255047171?s=19

"Taking advantage of a man with mental issues to own the libs" is quite something.

Quin_Dub

everlast75 wrote: »

This seems interesting.

https://twitter.com/cam_joseph/status/1290853945255047171?s=19

"Taking advantage of a man with mental issues to own the libs" is quite something.

There are a bunch of well established GOP operatives working on his "campaign"

Several other people active in the party are connected to Mr. West’s candidacy. One operative, Mark Jacoby, is an executive at a company called Let the Voters Decide, which has been collecting signatures for the West campaign in Ohio, West Virginia and Arkansas. Mr. Jacoby was arrested on voter fraud charges in 2008 while he was doing work for the California Republican Party, and he later pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor.

Mr. Jacoby, in a statement, said his company was nonpartisan and worked for all political parties. “We do not comment on any current clients, but like all Americans, anyone who is qualified to stand for election has the right to run,” he said.
On Wednesday, Vice reported that a Republican operative in Colorado, Rachel George, was helping Mr. West get on the ballot there. She did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

New York Magazine reported Monday evening on the campaign’s links to two other people with partisan ties. One is Gregg Keller, the former executive director of the American Conservative Union, who has been listed as a contact for the campaign in Arkansas. Mr. Keller, who did not respond to a message seeking comment, is a Missouri-based strategist. He was under consideration to be Mr. Trump’s campaign manager in 2015, a role that was ultimately filled by Corey Lewandowski, according to a former campaign official.

Another person linked to the West campaign is Chuck Wilton, who is listed as a convention delegate for Mr. Trump from Vermont and as an elector with the West operation who could potentially cast an Electoral College vote for Mr. West. Mr. Wilton could not be reached. He and his wife, Wendy, a Trump appointee at the United States Department of Agriculture, have been political supporters of the president. She hung up immediately when called at her office.

Wonderful people.

Water John

I have a particular abhorrence of people who use anyone with mental issues. I know a few situations where such a person have been prompted in a certain direction. It's totally obnoxious.

Great to see Trump's Covid children tweet being taken down. Then it'll be used to feed the conspiracy theorists and deep state.

Quin_Dub

Water John wrote: »

I have a particular abhorrence of people who use anyone with mental issues. I know a few situations where such a person have been prompted in a certain direction. It's totally obnoxious.

Great to see Trump's Covid children tweet being taken down. Then it'll be used to feed the conspiracy theorists and deep state.

What does it say about the abject sycophancy of Fox News that something they allowed to pass unchallenged was banned by Facebook and Twitter??

da_miser

The Durham so called Spygate investigation will hopefully drop this month, those conspiracies theories are starting to look like conspiracy facts, how will CNN and the Trump haters spin it, going to be entertaining.

everlast75

da_miser wrote: »

The Durham so called Spygate investigation will hopefully drop this month, those conspiracies theories are starting to look like conspiracy facts, how will CNN and the Trump haters spin it, going to be entertaining.

My god.

How the penny hasn't dropped with some people that this guy is an utter BS artist will be one of the greatest mysteries of all time.

Rjd2

the election summarised perfectly.



https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1291898086541930503

Itssoeasy

I think Bidens VP pick is crucial and more important than one in recent times. I say that because given Bidens age his VP would be the obvious choice for the dems in 2024 if Biden doesn't run. If the democrats get it right this election then it potentially sets them up for maybe the next two elections because even if trump loses in November he may not only lose the presidency, but the senate may fall and the house minority of the GOP may get worse.

And joe Biden as a former democratic VP is trying to do something that no democratic VP has done since JBL. That is of the democratic presidents since LBJ there have been three other democratic presidents in Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama. And all their VPs have ran for president in Hubert Humphrey in 1968, Walter Mondale in 1984, and Al gore in 2000 have failed to win. Joe Biden should be win would be the first democratic VP to do so in at least 50 years.

Cody montana

He’s speaking live.

Sounds like he’s drunk?

Wanderer78

everlast75 wrote:

How the penny hasn't dropped with some people that this guy is an utter BS artist will be one of the greatest mysteries of all time.

Some of them irish, think we need a cull!

Rjd2

I think Biden is in a nice position right now, but I do wonder what betting fav Harris adds to the ticket. She absolutely bombed in the president race and its somewhat cynical to suggest that because she is black that black voters will flock to Biden. The black voters on that ticket would be earned by Biden and Obama.

She doesn't win Biden any states that he wasn't going to either.

Rice is a drab choice and won't go down well on the left, but seems like a safe choice as ticks plenty of boxes.

Whitmer who is somehow third fav atm would help in the states Biden needs to win, but it won't go down well if he does not pick a black woman especially after the few mistakes Biden has made recently.

I do like Tammy Duckworth and Keisha Lance Bottoms but not much buzz about either sadly.

Overheal

Trump picks Fox News correspondent Steve Doocy as his running make in stunning move. Bold choice Mr. Vice President

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1292134017807126528?s=20

(TLDR Biden's physical health and wit are both intact. Its freaking hot outside.. and he's doing so in a mask, which must make the anti-maskers boil)

Rjd2

Have documented my issues with Biden tediously here, but for a 77 year old he has guns. He and Vince Mc Mahon must be chums.

Overheal

Rjd2 wrote: »

Have documented my issues with Biden tediously here, but for a 77 year old he has guns. He and Vince Mc Mahon must be chums.

No Vince and Trump are. In fact, Vince was one of the strangest people I had heard of who advised Trump to reopen the economy in April

https://www.sbnation.com/wrestling/2020/4/15/21222367/vince-mcmahon-donald-trump-advising-economy-reopening-xfl-bankruptcy

McMahon and Trump are far from casual acquaintances. They both took part in WWE WrestleMania 23 in 2007 as part of an infamous hair vs. hair match. Trump was the victor there, shaving McMahon’s head in WWE’s biggest annual event. Trump later appointed Linda McMahon, former WWE CFO and Vince’s wife, to his cabinet, until 2019. She now runs the pro-Trump SuperPAC, America F1rst Action.

TomOnBoard

Rjd2 wrote: »

I think Biden is in a nice position right now, but I do wonder what betting fav Harris adds to the ticket. She absolutely bombed in the president race and its somewhat cynical to suggest that because she is black that black voters will flock to Biden. The black voters on that ticket would be earned by Biden and Obama.

She doesn't win Biden any states that he wasn't going to either.

Rice is a drab choice and won't go down well on the left, but seems like a safe choice as ticks plenty of boxes.

Whitmer who is somehow third fav atm would help in the states Biden needs to win, but it won't go down well if he does not pick a black woman especially after the few mistakes Biden has made recently.

I do like Tammy Duckworth and Keisha Lance Bottoms but not much buzz about either sadly.

Biden promised to pick a woman as his running mate. He never specified race/ethnicity.

So all the scuttlebutt about favourites that focus on African American women is misplaced basically trying to force his hand. If the woman has to be African American, why? Why not Latina?

Biden needs to think this one out very carefully and not just choose on the basis of tokenism, but on the basis of her being the best choice to do the job. If the VP is Black, Brown, White or whatever ought to be irrelevant!

Water John

One wonders was Whitmer's visit being leaked a hare? She, after all she is joint chair of his election.

Rjd2

Whitmer on paper actually helps Biden wins states he needs to especially compared to Harris, but their has been a lot of chatter about a black VP so from a PR POV would be odd if they went with a white lady especially in the current moment.

Rjd2

Overheal wrote: »

No Vince and Trump are. In fact, Vince was one of the strangest people I had heard of who advised Trump to reopen the economy in April

https://www.sbnation.com/wrestling/2020/4/15/21222367/vince-mcmahon-donald-trump-advising-economy-reopening-xfl-bankruptcy

McMahon and Trump are far from casual acquaintances. They both took part in WWE WrestleMania 23 in 2007 as part of an infamous hair vs. hair match. Trump was the victor there, shaving McMahon’s head in WWE’s biggest annual event. Trump later appointed Linda McMahon, former WWE CFO and Vince’s wife, to his cabinet, until 2019. She now runs the pro-Trump SuperPAC, America F1rst Action.

Oh aye even a dumbo like me who has watched way to much WWE than is healthy are aware of their friendship.

Vince is a massive republican to say the least.

just joking that Biden's guns would even impress Vince who is still huge despite his age.

everlast75

Pretty bold tactic on Trump et al to attack Biden on making gaffes...

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1292962923996942342?s=20

Brian?

Rjd2 wrote: »

Have documented my issues with Biden tediously here, but for a 77 year old he has guns. He and Vince Mc Mahon must be chums.

That’s the irony of the attacks from Trumpites, Biden is in great shape for a man of his age.

salmocab

Brian? wrote: »

That’s the irony of the attacks from Trumpites, Biden is in great shape for a man of his age.

I’ve mentioned a few times that I don’t get Trump lying about his physical health and defending how he is so much. He’s an old man it’s okay to be not a physical specimen but he just can’t let anything go, my dad when he was trumps age would have gone down that ramp at West Point slower but he certainly wouldn’t have made embarrassing excuses And claimed he ran the last 10 feet or whatever it was. His ego is oddly frail and at the same time doesn’t seem to care that people know he’s full of it so long as he says he gets to say he isn’t then he appears to be able to be happy with himself. He’s a very strange man.

pixelburp

salmocab wrote: »

I’ve mentioned a few times that I don’t get Trump lying about his physical health and defending how he is so much. He’s an old man it’s okay to be not a physical specimen but he just can’t let anything go, my dad when he was trumps age would have gone down that ramp at West Point slower but he certainly wouldn’t have made embarrassing excuses And claimed he ran the last 10 feet or whatever it was. His ego is oddly frail and at the same time doesn’t seem to care that people know he’s full of it so long as he says he gets to say he isn’t then he appears to be able to be happy with himself. He’s a very strange man.

I don't think this is unique to Trump though: elderly male billionaires often seem incapable of letting go or ageing gracefully; looking to the likes of Trump, Bernie Eccleston (though at least he lets his hair by grey), Sheldon Aldeson (a GOP donor), Mick Jagger, etc etc. The dyed hair, the pulled skin, the inappropriately aged spouse and so on. It's not universal mind you, but perhaps if one spends a lifetime portraying a certain type of power through bravado soaked charisma, it's hard to let that go and accept you're getting old. The issue doesn't seem to be present with (say) Bill Gates, though he never presented any of the kind of "Alpha Male" nonsense you see with Trump either. Trump seems particularly brittle though; if one took things personal in an argument, I doubt it would require much to wind him up.

salmocab

pixelburp wrote: »

I don't think this is unique to Trump though: elderly male billionaires often seem incapable of letting go or ageing gracefully; looking to the likes of Trump, Bernie Eccleston (though at least he lets his hair by grey), Sheldon Aldeson (a GOP donor), Mick Jagger, etc etc. The dyed hair, the pulled skin, the inappropriately aged spouse and so on. It's not universal mind you, but perhaps if one spends a lifetime portraying a certain type of power through bravado soaked charisma, it's hard to let that go and accept you're getting old. The issue doesn't seem to be present with (say) Bill Gates, though he never presented any of the kind of "Alpha Male" nonsense you see with Trump either. Trump seems particularly brittle though; if one took things personal in an argument, I doubt it would require much to wind him up.

No not unique I suppose I just find it an odd personality trait. It probably comes from being surrounded by yes men all the time. I like that I see alpha male and Trump in the same sentence so often, it makes me laugh because he’s not an alpha male by any stretch,

Water John

Well the VP pick is Kamela Harris. Bold choice, not a Sarah Palin, the last bold choice. Let's see what they try throwing at her.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/11/kamala-harris-joe-biden-vp-running-mate-election-2020-vice-president

Larbre34

I named Biden / Harris 18 months ago. She's the ideal candidate to head the ticket in 2024 when Uncle Joe steps down.

Can't wait to see her debate Pence. If it is Pence!

Water John

Ah Pence won't do a one to one meeting with her. He'll have to have a third person in the room.

pixelburp

The conservative (small C) but ultimately unsurprising choice. Harris' record as prosecutor might be used against her and no doubt the harder liberal clique won't be happy. Given Bidens age and if he wins, it'll be interesting to see just how much of a public profile Harris would get, with an eye towards 2024

Foxtrol

Water John wrote: »

Well the VP pick is Kamela Harris. Bold choice, not a Sarah Palin, the last bold choice. Let's see what they try throwing at her.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/11/kamala-harris-joe-biden-vp-running-mate-election-2020-vice-president

Best attack lines on her will be the ones that will backfire against other arguments.

Her biggest negative is that she wasn't strong enough against the police will clash against 'Dems hate police & love looting' narrative.

She has been well vetted from past campaigns but I presume some far right media will come out with some outlandish affair story (that have been bubbling already). I don't see how that sticks against a VP with any undecideds with Trump's long history in that area.

duploelabs

Foxtrol wrote: »

Best attack lines on her will be the ones that will backfire against other arguments.

Her biggest negative is that she wasn't strong enough against the police will clash against 'Dems hate police & love looting' narrative.

She has been well vetted from past campaigns but I presume some far right media will come out with some outlandish affair story (that have been bubbling already). I don't see how that sticks against a VP with any undecideds with Trump's long history in that area.

Can't remember if it was here or on another thread where one of those types referred to her as a bitch because she'd an affair or something

everlast75

duploelabs wrote: »

Can't remember if it was here or on another thread where one of those types referred to her as a bitch because she'd an affair or something

It was this one.

And the word used began with a "w"

Itssoeasy

Well all the speculation is over on the VP pick. I mean in fairness it’s probably the right choice.

A tone deaf choice.

hotmail.com

Presumably she doesn't have any policies at all.

Itssoeasy

Deleted User wrote: »

A tone deaf choice.

Tone deaf how ? I mean it's not exactly an exciting pick or one that could seal a swing state given that California is a deep blue state so I'd say safe.

Foxtrol

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Tone deaf how ? I mean it's not exactly an exciting pick or one that could seal a swing state given that California is a deep blue state so I'd say safe.

Only people I can imagine that see it as being tone deaf are Bernie or bust types that kick up a fuss when they don't get attention or bowed down to, despite the fact that they've got a massive amount regarding policy and Biden has the support of all the leaders of the left of the party.

Water John

They'll be holding a media event together tomorrow, no time yet.

Larbre34

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A tone deaf choice.

In that event, who instead?

mcmoustache

hotmail.com wrote: »

Presumably she doesn't have any policies at all.

That would be an ignorant presumption.


Google helps be less ignorant. Here's a sample:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/06/energy-202-kamala-harris-goes-big-environmental-justice-biden-considers-her-running-mate/

AbusesToilets

A win for the corporate Democrats. She's wildly uninspiring, and along with Biden, unlikely to ruffle the feathers of any of the main sponsors.

BonnieSituation

hotmail.com wrote: »

Presumably she doesn't have any policies at all.

According to you no one cares about the VP pick, so policies would be moot?

Itssoeasy

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Tone deaf how ? I mean it's not exactly an exciting pick or one that could seal a swing state given that California is a deep blue state so I'd say safe.

Biden/Harris ticket is a return to the neo-liberalism that created the environment in which someone like Trump could get elected. The next time, instead of a bumbling buffoon like The Donald, it'll be a more savvy and polished person. That'll be fun.

Widespread protests against police and Biden picks a prosecutor that laughed about sending the (poor) parents of truant children to jail. The same prosecutor that claimed she would be a "prosecutor president" refused to prosecute Steve Mnuchin for fraud.


Tone deaf.

spacecoyote

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The same prosecutor that claimed she would be a "prosecutor president" refused to prosecute Steve Mnuchin for fraud.

Its not exactly an argument that cam be used against her though is it?

She didn't prosecute him, but she didnt give him an extremely powerful position in government where he could perpetrate even bigger frauds

California Dreamer

I would throw a 50 on Kamala Harris to be President in 2024. I think you would get decent odds.

If Biden wins, I cant see him still being there in 2028 at 86!

Igotadose

Even the tGOP like Harris, 2 prominent members donated to her AG campaign: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/donald-and-ivanka-trump-once-made-donations-to-kamala-harris.html

"POLITICS AUG. 11, 2020
Donald and Ivanka Trump Once Made Campaign Donations to Kamala Harris"

Wanderer78

Deleted User wrote:

Biden/Harris ticket is a return to the neo-liberalism that created the environment in which someone like Trump could get elected. The next time, instead of a bumbling buffoon like The Donald, it'll be a more savvy and polished person. That'll be fun.

Neoliberalism isn't going away without a fight, and it may never go away, but at the moment, Biden is clearly the better choice, just, but he is dreadful. He might just bring the states, and ultimately the world back from the brink, then we can get to work trying to sort things. Not all of the outcomes of neoliberalism have been dreadful for humanity, but of course there has been a lot that is.

is_that_so

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Neoliberalism isn't going away without a fight, and it may never go away, but at the moment, Biden is clearly the better choice, just, but he is dreadful. He might just bring the states, and ultimately the world back from the brink, then we can get to work trying to sort things. Not all of the outcomes of neoliberalism have been dreadful for humanity, but of course there has been a lot that is.

Biden would be an interregnum President between the mayhem and chaos of Trump and what America wants to move to. I don't think he is awful at all, the Dems chose him and they had a huge range of alternatives to pick from. Biden could be a sort of centrist honest broker, one not absolutely entrenched in partisan politics. Not that it necessarily means a stellar term but it could be a period of calm and a chance to pause while the US tries to figure out where it's going. God knows they need it.

Faugheen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Widespread protests against police and Biden picks a prosecutor that laughed about sending the (poor) parents of truant children to jail. The same prosecutor that claimed she would be a "prosecutor president" refused to prosecute Steve Mnuchin for fraud.


Tone deaf.

What are the Republicans going to do? Criticise her for being too soft on the police while also saying the Democrats are anti-police?

Are they going to criticise her for not prosecuting Mnuchin?