US Presidential Election 2020

accensi0n

gmisk wrote: »

I think Trump has totally come undone
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1300918107976986624?s=09

I still wouldn't put too much faith in poles, and still a long way to go before voting.
Let's be honest Trump will do anything possible to hold onto power

What's the problem with what he's saying?
Sound like he's describing a situation which occurred where some violent protestors were throwing cans of soup (potentially deadly) and then trying to claim that what they're using as projectiles are actually being used for food.

BonnieSituation

accensi0n wrote: »

What's the problem with what he's saying?
Sound like he's describing a situation which occurred where some violent protestors were throwing cans of soup (potentially deadly) and then trying to claim that what they're using as projectiles are actually being used for food.

We all heard what he said. We get the premise.

Now I ask ya, you have no issue with him dealing in the minutiae of such alleged riotous behaviour?

Or his stumbling, stuttering delivery where he had to repeat himself because it's quite clear that it took him a bit to work it out himself. Honestly, it's a bizarre statement for a president to give. That you don't see it as bizarre says it all really.

droidus

gmisk wrote: »

I think Trump has totally come undone
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1300918107976986624?s=09

I still wouldn't put too much faith in poles, and still a long way to go before voting.
Let's be honest Trump will do anything possible to hold onto power

An actual soup nazi.

salmocab

Is getting hit with a tin of soup worse than getting hit by a brick? I’d say it’s much the same but without a jagged edge.

Igotadose

gmisk wrote: »

I think Trump has totally come undone
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1300918107976986624?s=09

I still wouldn't put too much faith in poles, and still a long way to go before voting.
Let's be honest Trump will do anything possible to hold onto power

Getting a Captain Queeg vibe. Next up will be strawberries.

StringerBell

salmocab wrote: »

Is getting hit with a tin of soup worse than getting hit by a brick? I’d say it’s much the same but without a jagged edge.

Yeah cause with bricks, I mean we all know bricks are too heavy to pick up and throw, that's what he said sure. Can't throw bricks, and come to think of it I can't think of any other time in history where I have in fact seen anyone throw bricks.

TomOnBoard

StringerBell wrote: »

Anything to be said for having UN inspectors in to verify the validity of the results? As you would in any other country where it is know the leader will steal the election if he can.

An excellent notion.

Arrange both UN and EU election monitoring teams to be drafted in to monitor the actual polling process, including use of threatening/intimidation efforts by Trump acolytes whom he has promised will be out in droves 'checking' voters at polling stations across the country. Further teams could be rolled out to ensure honesty underpins counting and results production.

Like, Trump claims that Law and Order no longer applies in Democrat led cities and states, aaaand the Dems are trying to steal the election from him, so surely they need all the help they can get to ensure free and fair elections take place, just like in many other Banana Republics where UN/EU monitoring takes place...

droidus

TomOnBoard wrote: »

An excellent notion.

Arrange both UN and EU election monitoring teams to be drafted in to monitor the actual polling process, including use of threatening/intimidation efforts by Trump acolytes whom he has promised will be out in droves 'checking' voters at polling stations across the country. Further teams could be rolled out to ensure honesty underpins counting and results production.

Like, Trump claims that Law and Order no longer applies in Democrat led cities and states, aaaand the Dems are trying to steal the election from him, so surely they need all the help they can get to ensure free and fair elections take place, just like in many other Banana Republics where UN/EU monitoring takes place...

The OCSE actually does this:

https://theconversation.com/international-election-observers-evaluating-us-midterm-elections-will-face-limitations-105631

As does the OAS:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/11/election-observers-united-states/506717/

accensi0n

BonnieSituation wrote: »

We all heard what he said. We get the premise.

Now I ask ya, you have no issue with him dealing in the minutiae of such alleged riotous behaviour?

No, he should focus on something more important.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Or his stumbling, stuttering delivery where he had to repeat himself because it's quite clear.

No, he should be more coherent.

Timberrrrrrrr

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

I dunno I say being hit by a soup can is better than being shot by some random pro Trump neo nazi with a semi automatic

"I had to shoot him your honour, he was tooled up with Oxtail and Minestrone"

everlast75

Whilst the poles should be taken with a grain of salt, it is discouraging to not have Biden romping away with this. However, there are some small positive signs...


https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1301187483586252802?s=20



https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1301062332488003585?s=20

AbusesToilets

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-sarah-sanders-one-for-team-kim-jong-un-2020-9



Stuff like this will surely endear him with female voters, Pimp in Chief has a ring to it. Tho after so many voted for him despite the grab em by the xxxxxx comments, who knows

That's a shocking indication of Kim's mental state if true.

letowski

Useful info.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1301190941110341632

PopePalpatine

gmisk wrote: »

I think Trump has totally come undone
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1300918107976986624?s=09

I still wouldn't put too much faith in poles, and still a long way to go before voting.
Let's be honest Trump will do anything possible to hold onto power

"The media knows this but we don't."

Have you tried paying attention during your daily briefings?

StringerBell

AbusesToilets wrote: »

That's a shocking indication of Kim's mental state if true.

duploelabs

AbusesToilets wrote: »

That's a shocking indication of Kim's mental state if true.

Well he's supposedly in a coma now so it was probably indicative of his impending issues

brentanrodgers

Pelosi just gave a nice election gift to Trump, rules for thee but not for me. The timing couldn't be anymore ridiculous, the same day she's masquerading the public on MSNBC she's out breaking the law getting her hair done.

“It was a slap in the face that she went in, you know, that she feels that she can just go and get her stuff done while no one else can go in, and I can’t work,” salon owner Erica Kious told Fox News, adding that she “can’t believe” the speaker didn’t have a mask on.

“We’re supposed to look up to this woman, right?” Kious said. “It is just disturbing.”

everlast75

brentanrodgers wrote: »

Pelosi just gave a nice election gift to Trump, rules for thee but not for me. The timing couldn't be anymore ridiculous, the same day she's masquerading the public on MSNBC she's out breaking the law getting her hair done.

“It was a slap in the face that she went in, you know, that she feels that she can just go and get her stuff done while no one else can go in, and I can’t work,” salon owner Erica Kious told Fox News, adding that she “can’t believe” the speaker didn’t have a mask on.

“We’re supposed to look up to this woman, right?” Kious said. “It is just disturbing.”

180,000+ deaths on Trump's watch, but sure - Pelosi gets a hair cut.


Brings me back to Obama and his tan suit outrage.

brentanrodgers

everlast75 wrote: »

180,000+ deaths on Trump's watch, but sure - Pelosi gets a hair cut.

The peaceful protesters are really drilling that point home alright.

TomOnBoard

everlast75 wrote: »

180,000+ deaths on Trump's watch, but sure - Pelosi gets a hair cut.


Brings me back to Obama and his tan suit outrage.

Yeah--- Trump and his GOPpers congregate on the White House lawn to listen to a pathetic acceptance speech and hardly a mask in sight amongst the many hundreds there....


But Nancy......

Total hypocrisy. ..

brentanrodgers

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Yeah--- Trump and his GOPpers congregate on the White House lawn to listen to a pathetic acceptance speech and hardly a mask in sight amongst the many hundreds there....


But Nancy......

Total hypocrisy. ..

They're not the ones out there acting holier than thou on MSNBC one minute then the next going out to break state laws for a blow dry - that's where the hypocrisy lies.

Irish Politician's have been scrutinized over similar incidents, there's no reason why Pelosi can't be.

namloc1980

everlast75 wrote: »

180,000+ deaths on Trump's watch, but sure - Pelosi gets a hair cut.


Brings me back to Obama and his tan suit outrage.

That was amazing. Fox News and the right wingers lost their absolute minds!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrTf6CaTTc0

everlast75

brentanrodgers wrote: »

They're not the ones out there acting holier than thou on MSNBC one minute then the next going out to break state laws for a blow dry - that's where the hypocrisy lies.

Irish Politician's have been scrutinized over similar incidents, there's no reason why Pelosi can't be.

Pelosi should by all rights have worn a mask.

But when you present it as a "gotcha" moment, you fail to see that when you, Fox or anyone else lacks any sense of moral standing without first acknowledging that Trump, by contrast to not wearing a mask when it should have been worn, has lead to over 180,000 people dying

Do you see the disparity?

namloc1980

brentanrodgers wrote: »

They're not the ones out there acting holier than thou on MSNBC one minute then the next going out to break state laws for a blow dry - that's where the hypocrisy lies.

Irish Politician's have been scrutinized over similar incidents, there's no reason why Pelosi can't be.

She didn't break state laws. There is however a local health guidance in San Francisco that says it should be outdoors. Let's not over-egg it:

Californians can once again get their hair cut inside a salon or barbershop under new COVID-19 guidelines Gov. Gavin Newsom announced Friday [28th August], although it remains to be seen how quickly counties will adapt to the new more lenient guidance.

The new rules, which take effect Monday [1st Sept], allow those businesses to open for indoor service across the state, even in counties that have “widespread” coronavirus cases — those classified as purple under California’s new color-coded reopening tiers. They previously were restricted to offering services outside in counties with the most severe outbreaks.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article245335405.html

Water John

letowski wrote: »

Useful info.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1301190941110341632

That's correct, Biden needs to win the popular vote by about 6% to be sure of victory.

salmocab

Water John wrote: »

That's correct, Biden needs to win the popular vote by about 6% to be sure of victory.

What did HC win it by?

namloc1980

salmocab wrote: »

What did HC win it by?

2.1%

Fr Tod Umptious

Water John wrote: »

That's correct, Biden needs to win the popular vote by about 6% to be sure of victory.

Wow, 6 is a big number

Water John

It shows how dysfunctional the Electoral College is.

StringerBell

brentanrodgers wrote: »

The peaceful protesters are really drilling that point home alright.

Thankfully we didn't see her ask for any Dijon mustard on a hotdog or anything unforgivable

mcmoustache

brentanrodgers wrote: »

Pelosi just gave a nice election gift to Trump, rules for thee but not for me. The timing couldn't be anymore ridiculous, the same day she's masquerading the public on MSNBC she's out breaking the law getting her hair done.

“It was a slap in the face that she went in, you know, that she feels that she can just go and get her stuff done while no one else can go in, and I can’t work,” salon owner Erica Kious told Fox News, adding that she “can’t believe” the speaker didn’t have a mask on.

“We’re supposed to look up to this woman, right?” Kious said. “It is just disturbing.”

That was silly of her. She should have known better. It's not sending a good message.


Still, compared to holding the rally that killed Herman Cain and all those indoor events with crowds, this is very, very minor.


Still silly. She knows that Dem voters demand higher standards.

briany

mcmoustache wrote: »

That was silly of her. She should have known better. It's not sending a good message.

Handy talking point for Trump and his base will eat it up, I'm sure. That said, I'm not sure Pelosi breaching covid guidelines is exactly the Hillary e-mail scandal that some people cited as the push they needed to vote for Trump.

Fr Tod Umptious

Water John wrote: »

It shows how dysfunctional the Electoral College is.

Not really

Have a look at "Clinton archipelago" and "Trumpland" from 2016

https://www.inverse.com/article/25635-map-remakes-us-trumpland-clinton-archipelago





This is why the EC is there and why it's not going anywhere
Clinton's votes were concentrated in a few of the most populated metro areas in the country and very little else .

paul71

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Not really

Have a look at "Clinton archipelago" and "Trumpland" from 2016

https://www.inverse.com/article/25635-map-remakes-us-trumpland-clinton-archipelago





This is why the EC is there and why it's not going anywhere
Clinton's votes were concentrated in a few of the most populated metro areas in the country and very little else .

Rotten Boroughs were the very definition of dysfunctional Democracy in the UK in the 1800s. Cities like Manchester had lower representation than rural Devon villages. Ignoring population shift and not redrawing Electorial boundaries will result in a denial of democratic expression.

That type of betrayal expression gives you Riot, extreme ideologies, Northern Ireland, Bosnia.

Melanchthon

paul71 wrote: »

Rotten Boroughs were the very definition of dysfunctional Democracy in the UK in the 1800s. Cities like Manchester had lower representation than rural Devon villages. Ignoring population shift and not redrawing Electorial boundaries will result in a denial of democratic expression.

That type of betrayal expression gives you Riot, extreme ideologies, Northern Ireland, Bosnia.

It's the United States though with an emphasis on the second word, a federal system not a French style nation state.

namloc1980

briany wrote: »

Handy talking point for Trump and his base will eat it up, I'm sure.

In Washington DC outdoor gatherings of more than 50 people are banned under Covid regulations, yet Trump had 1,500 people at his RNC speech. They've no credibility to be pointing fingers. But yes his base will lap it up like they always do, nothing new there.

paul71

Melanchthon wrote: »

It's the United States though with an emphasis on the second word, a federal system not a French style nation state.

Which means that there is an imbalance of power on the federal as opposed to the state. It is quite evident that system is creaking right now. Portland, New York and other major cities are in a sad place because the Federal government is in the hands a minority in Rural midwest states and ignoring or flying in the face of Democratic opinion in the major population centers.

Water John

The Govn't represents people, not acres. Much of that red hinterland is subsidised by the blue cities. Mitch's state of Kentucky would be bankrupt.

Carfacemandog

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Not really

Have a look at "Clinton archipelago" and "Trumpland" from 2016

https://www.inverse.com/article/25635-map-remakes-us-trumpland-clinton-archipelago





This is why the EC is there and why it's not going anywhere
Clinton's votes were concentrated in a few of the most populated metro areas in the country and very little else .

So essentially, you are arguing that someone's vote in Leitrim or Roscommon should be weighted to be multiple times more powerful than someone's vote if they are in Dublin or Cork?

Yeah, I'll pass on that one.

letowski

With a plethora of polls in today, Joe Biden did remarkably well in mostly all of them:

IBD/TIPP: Biden +8
CNN: Biden +8
Quinnipiac: Biden +10
Suffolk: Biden +5/+7 (with/without third parties)
Selzer & Co.: Biden +8

Fox News also have just in the last hour published they're results of swing states:
Arizona: Biden 49% Trump 40%
North Carolina Biden 50% Trump 46%
Wisconsin Biden 50% Trump 42%

Its quite interesting to observe the media narrative over the weekend. As is the case with every election, the Republican candidate can expect to see a bounce in the polls post RNC convention. This was expected, and it happened, but it was the narrative that it was due to the civil unrest that was the talking point. This despite most people feel that they would be more safe in Biden's America, he is better on race relations and that all this lawlessness is happening in Trump's America.

I guess its more a compelling story to say 'Violence leads to a surge in polls for Trump', than 'Expected bounce in polls for Trump will likely fade away again'. Nonetheless, there seems to be two major issues facing Trump. Biden is consistently polling around 50% compared to Hillary at 45% and and there is only half as much undecideds this time around in a very polarized political landscape. Even if they break in large proportions like they did in 2016, that still might not be enough. But even still, Biden leads amongst independents anyway. Trump has alot of work to do in the next few weeks.

Carfacemandog

Water John wrote: »

The Govn't represents people, not acres. Much of that red hinterland is subsidised by the blue cities. Mitch's state of Kentucky would be bankrupt.

New Mexico is blue, literally every other one is red.

Water John

Nine are red, they must be socialist republicans.

Brian?

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Not really

Have a look at "Clinton archipelago" and "Trumpland" from 2016

https://www.inverse.com/article/25635-map-remakes-us-trumpland-clinton-archipelago





This is why the EC is there and why it's not going anywhere
Clinton's votes were concentrated in a few of the most populated metro areas in the country and very little else .

This is fallacious at best.


Sure Trump won a lot of districts where very few people live. But the constitution of the US starts with "We the People", not "We the Fields". Electoral college votes are proportioned by population as well, not land area. The EC is going nowhere, but it seriously needs to be tweaked to mean the Dems don't have to win by 6% to win the presidency.

Gerry Hatrick

Water John wrote: »

It shows how dysfunctional the Electoral College is.

The electoral college kept Clinton out of the white house in 2016 so i'd say it's a far from dysfunctional system.

spacecoyote

I've said it before on here and so have others, but a proportional representation electoral college would strike a balance there rather than winner takes all.

It still gives weight to the smaller states, but less skewed.

Would also remove a lot of the swing state issues and would force the candidates to campaign everywhere as they could pick up votes in all states, even those that are heavily stacked against them

salmocab

spacecoyote wrote: »

I've said it before on here and so have others, but a proportional representation electoral college would strike a balance there rather than winner takes all.

It still gives weight to the smaller states, but less skewed.

Would also remove a lot of the swing state issues and would force the candidates to campaign everywhere as they could pick up votes in all states, even those that are heavily stacked against them

It’s a mess of a system. Your vote being worth more or less based on where you live is ridiculous.

namloc1980

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

The electoral college kept Clinton out of the white house in 2016 so i'd say it's a far from dysfunctional system.

Look at Gerry here with the hot take. :pac:

It also allowed a guy to become President despite losing the popular vote by 3m.

everlast75

This is imho a smart line of attack by Biden.


https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1301316478889680897?s=19


The "What is hiding?" tagline is versatile and could be used to relate to his SAT scores, his dna sample, the reason for that visit to the clinic etc etc.

He could change the advert, but keep the consistent tagline.

TomOnBoard

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Not really

Have a look at "Clinton archipelago" and "Trumpland" from 2016

https://www.inverse.com/article/25635-map-remakes-us-trumpland-clinton-archipelago





This is why the EC is there and why it's not going anywhere
Clinton's votes were concentrated in a few of the most populated metro areas in the country and very little else .

These representations are "grist to the mill" for all manner of arguments and conclusions to be drawn from them. People with very different viewpoints will use them in support of very different truths. And that's fine.

For me, I see them as very clever interpretations of the 2016 election voting and certainly highlight the extent to which America is a massive place that is actually sparsely populated across much of its land area.

My only question is: Is the representation accurately done? If so, and I don't have reason to believe it's not, it adds another lens through which we can view Election 2016 and perhaps better understand it. Whether It will still apply in November is another matter.

briany

Brian? wrote: »

The EC is going nowhere, but it seriously needs to be tweaked to mean the Dems don't have to win by 6% to win the presidency.

I don't disagree with you, there, but changing the EC is bound to be a massively partisan issue.

Dems: We believe a change to the electoral college would more accurately, and fairly, represent population distribution.

Reps: The Democrats are trying to rig the vote in their favour. Warpaint on.