US Presidential Election 2020

Water John

Certainly they'll have to look at methods of controlling Trump. It looks bad for the Election Commission if they cannot run a cogent debate.
Not sure what structure they'll use but Biden's side will be looking for a different approach.

It was classic Trump and sad anyone would vote for him.

5GMadeMeDoIt

I wonder if there will be an attempt made to regulate the debates more strictly now. Set time limits strictly adhered to, and microphones switched off when it's not your turn to speak. Would be a disaster for Trump but I don't think anyone outside of his camp would object now after that dumpster fire.

VinLieger

I dont think it will do Biden any favours if they look to cancel them, it just gives the orange one the chance to claim bidens scared to debate him.

TexasTornado

Brian? wrote: »

Both men? Trump refused to follow the rules and you're blaming both of them!

Joe lowering himself to Trump's level was pathetic. All he had to do was let Trump make a fool of himself by talking and he couldn't even do that. I'm a lifelong democrat and honestly he's the weakest candidate we've ever put forward.

I'm worried for the very future of the party if Joe can't defeat someone like Trump.

5GMadeMeDoIt

TexasTornado wrote: »

Joe lowering himself to Trump's level was pathetic. All he had to do was let Trump make a fool of himself by talking and he couldn't even do that. I'm a lifelong democrat and honestly he's the weakest candidate we've ever put forward.

I'm worried for the very future of the party if Joe can't defeat someone like Trump.

Prepared to not be worried then.

pixelburp

TexasTornado wrote: »

Joe lowering himself to Trump's level was pathetic. All he had to do was let Trump make a fool of himself by talking and he couldn't even do that. I'm a lifelong democrat and honestly he's the weakest candidate we've ever put forward.

I'm worried for the very future of the party if Joe can't defeat someone like Trump.

That a hyperbolic reaction to a moment of exhausted humanity from Biden, and he wasn't alone. I presume you also saw Chris Wallace of Fox getting utterly exasperated with Trump's constant interupptions and belligerance. At least in 2016 Trump maintained some semblance of restraint and behaviour within the format (just about, it wasn't great then either). Here Trump was off the chain and even Wallace had to step in and get legitimately annoyed. Applying a Purity Test to Biden is only going to feed the beast here, and damning the VP for a single moment of (presumably) anger can't be held against him given the opponent.

Chris Wallace was about as close of an ally as Trump is going to get across this season of debates; if they go ahead with further ones - and they really should if nothing else than the pretence of electoral due dilligence - then other moderators are going ot be ready for his further petulant outbursts.

I don't like Biden as a candidate, and would agree he is the weaket one put forward from a stable that already underwhelmed; but the stakes are too high at the moment to quibble that Biden isn't electoral perfection. He merely needs to be good enough - and we know Biden isn't beyond moments of honesty.

everlast75

TexasTornado wrote: »

As an American the "debate" made me sad tbh. It really goes to show how far we have fallen over the years in terms of intelligent articulate politicians. Both men are an utter embarrassment.

Obama was in power four years ago. Was he not an intelligent, articulate politician?

droidus

VinLieger wrote: »

How do they have grounds for canceling them?

The across the board consensus was that it was an embarrassing waste of time. If the Biden campaign said that Trump has shown he cant conduct himself properly in a debate and therefore they were pulling out (or some other excuse) I think the general feeling would be relief.

breezy1985

Tell me how wrote: »

I wouldn't say he is the best Politician ever, but in what way is Biden an embarrassment?

He's not Trump and that's all that matters to Trump apologists. Any candidate the Dems run would be an embarrassment, a socialist and a threat to national security

5GMadeMeDoIt

It seems like Trump was urged to attack Hunter Biden over his drug issues. If I was to guess I would say it was at the behest of Donald Jnr. I wonder how that will have played out in the rust belt mid-west states where there's an opiate epidemic. I'd say a lot of mothers and fathers would have empathized with Biden over that.

Faugheen

5GMadeMeDoIt wrote: »

It seems like Trump was urged to attack Hunter Biden over his drug issues. If I was to guess I would say it was at the behest of Donald Jnr. I wonder how that will have played out in the rust belt mid-west states where there's an opiate epidemic. I'd say a lot of mothers and fathers would have empathized with Biden over that.

The fact he took ownership as well. ‘My son...I’m proud of him’ rather than trying to dismiss it. It was really a great response to a low blow.

Those white suburban females (many of whom mothers) that Trump is losing would absolutely gravitate towards a father defending his son from a bully.

Chalk McHugh

Biden calling the Presidant a'clown' and telling him to shut up were pretty low blows. Doesn't say much for him. You may not like trump but you should at least respect the position he holds.

I have no time for the Democrat party because of their total disregard for any law and order. 100 straight nights they rioted in Portland and the Democrat Mayor sat on his ass and didn't do a thing. And same thing happened in all big Democrat cities anf states. And if i was living in America and had a vote it is this dereliction of duty that would see me voting Republican no matter who the canditate was. If Dublin was allowed be burned and looted like that for months on end i'd be just as disgusted with any politicians who sat back and let it happen. It's a disgrace.

It's not popular to say this on here or elsewhere but you got to call as you see it and i hope Trump wins this election.

Tell me how

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Biden calling the Presidant a'clown' and telling him to shut up were pretty low blows. Doesn't say much for him. You may not like trump but you should at least respect the position he holds.

I have no time for the Democrat party because of their total disregard for any law and order. 100 straight nights they rioted in Portland and the Democrat Mayor sat on his ass and didn't do a thing. And same thing happened in all big Democrat cities anf states. And if i was living in America and had a vote it is this dereliction of duty that would see me voting Republican no matter who the canditate was. If Dublin was allowed be burn9ed and looted like that for months on end i'd be just as disgusted with any politicians who sat back and let it happen. It's a disgrace.

It's not popular to say this on here or elsewhere but you got to call as you see it and i hope Trump wins this election.

This would hold some weight if he demonstrated a modicum of respect towards the office himself.

briany

Trump hadn't a whole lot in the way of cogent points, but maybe they were all left out of the condensed version I watched? :pac:

Anyway, it appears Trump did exactly what most of us thought he would. Verbally harangue Biden in an attempt to make Biden look weak. On that score, he did a job, I guess. It just remains as to whether that's enough of a platform for the American people to reelect him on.

Infini

everlast75 wrote: »

"Will you shut up man?"

Do you think Trump has EVER had that said to him?

That was good for the soul.

Joe speaking for millions who are just simply tired of the same old deluded shíte from Trump in one single line.

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Biden calling the Presidant a'clown' and telling him to shut up were pretty low blows. Doesn't say much for him. You may not like trump but you should at least respect the position he holds.

Look lets be honest we've seen over the last 4 year's a neverending parade of failure's, fúck up's and stupidity from this clown. He's a complete and utter incompetent idiot and a tool for the likes of McConnell. You cannot reason or deal with stupidity of this calibre so honestly I dont blame joe for simply just tiring of the whole ignorant shítstorm and just telling him exactly what should be said to Trumps face.

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

I have no time for the Democrat party because of their total disregard for any law and order. 100 straight nights they rioted in Portland and the Democrat Mayor sat on his ass and didn't do a thing. And same thing happened in all big Democrat cities anf states. And if i was living in America and had a vote it is this dereliction of duty that would see me voting Republican no matter who the canditate was. If Dublin was allowed be burned and looted like that for months on end i'd be just as disgusted with any politicians who sat back and let it happen. It's a disgrace.

It's a mess I can agree with you with that but if your going to give out and blame the dem's you should blame the republican's as well they're using the likes of this themselves to keep themselves in power by refusing to deal with the problems. These issues didnt appear overnight they've been festering for years and it's only now that they're boiling over. If there's one thing we could both agree on it's that America's systems are breaking down because of incompetence at the top, let's be honest if the Dem's arent great do you really think the Republicans are going to make thing's better? No they wont they thrive on this and will only aggrivate the situation it's what irrelevant political parties do to retain power when they run out of real ideas. Scare the normal people into voting for them.

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

It's not popular to say this on here or elsewhere but you got to call as you see it and i hope Trump wins this election.

I personally don't want to see another 4 Year's of this arséclown he's managed to drag America down into the gutter in the space of 4 year's if he's left there another 4 I don't think the place will be even recognizable at the end. Sadly i'm not American so all I can do is watch but were better off without that toxic clown around I can tell you that much.

Chalk McHugh

Infini wrote: »

Joe speaking for millions who are just simply tired of the same old deluded shíte from Trump in one single line.

And resorting to calling the Presidant, who many millions of American people support, a clown.

breezy1985

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Biden calling the Presidant a'clown' and telling him to shut up were pretty low blows. Doesn't say much for him. You may not like trump but you should at least respect the position he holds.

I have no time for the Democrat party because of their total disregard for any law and order. 100 straight nights they rioted in Portland and the Democrat Mayor sat on his ass and didn't do a thing. And same thing happened in all big Democrat cities anf states. And if i was living in America and had a vote it is this dereliction of duty that would see me voting Republican no matter who the canditate was. If Dublin was allowed be burned and looted like that for months on end i'd be just as disgusted with any politicians who sat back and let it happen. It's a disgrace.

It's not popular to say this on here or elsewhere but you got to call as you see it and i hope Trump wins this election.

Didn't see Trump respect the office too much when Obama was in it. Also didn't see Trump managing to stop the riots sorry gotta call it as I see it.

I was in Shannon airport the same time as Trump and was sitting next to an English man ranting about the disgraceful protesters and how you salute the office not the man. 2 mins later he's talking about how the UK is F****d if Corbyn gets in and he's gonna leave the country. It's always the same double standards from the right

Infini

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

And resorting to calling the Presidant, who many millions of American people support, a clown.

Trump has the title but that's all, he hasn't the dignity or intelligence to act like a real president only a Troll President.

The Nal

Biden shouldn't have called him a clown or told him to shut up. He got dragged down to Trumps level and it became a petty mess which is what Trump wanted and what Trump achieved.

2ndcoming

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Biden calling the Presidant a'clown' and telling him to shut up were pretty low blows. Doesn't say much for him. You may not like trump but you should at least respect the position he holds.

I have no time for the Democrat party because of their total disregard for any law and order. 100 straight nights they rioted in Portland and the Democrat Mayor sat on his ass and didn't do a thing. And same thing happened in all big Democrat cities anf states. And if i was living in America and had a vote it is this dereliction of duty that would see me voting Republican no matter who the canditate was. If Dublin was allowed be burned and looted like that for months on end i'd be just as disgusted with any politicians who sat back and let it happen. It's a disgrace.

It's not popular to say this on here or elsewhere but you got to call as you see it and i hope Trump wins this election.

It's hard to see how anyone holds these views in 2020. Criticising a man for responding very mildly to a man deliberately acting like a petulant child and shouting over everything he said, insulting his family and his dead son? You wouldn't get away with it on a secondary school debate team, never mind a presidential debate. To quote Mark Twain, "never wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty but the pig likes it."

The entire middle paragraph is just regurgitated right wing falsehoods. They know they're lying when they say this stuff, I can only hope you do too. You'd have to have more respect for a liar than a fool who believes this stuff.

Openly appealing to armed, white males who imagine themselves disenfranchised - statistically by far and away the most likely group to commit mass murders and acts of domestic terrorism - would probably be liable to a charge of incitement of violence in this and most other parts of the world. Not so in the good ol' USA but that was for me the low point of an embarassing evening.

seamus

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

And resorting to calling the Presidant, who many millions of American people support, a clown.

His title is irrelevant. Making a person above criticism because of the title that they hold is exactly how you create a dictatorship. Teaching Americans that they must support the president because he's the president, is what they do in North Korea.

Biden was simply pointing out facts.

everlast75

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

And resorting to calling the Presidant, who many millions of American people support, a clown.

Wow - you must really have had an issue with Trump then when he called Biden

Crazy Joe
Lazy Joe
Creepy Joe

because if you don't, I guess that makes you a hypocrite?

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Democrats: The Party of Lawlessness and Disorder.

Are they the ones who stoked racial tensions? Are they the ones that have had 3 campaign chairs arrested or under investigation? Are they the ones calling FBI scum? The list goes on and on my friend.


It is true what they say - Every accusation is an admission.

hirondelle

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

And resorting to calling the Presidant, who many millions of American people support, a clown.

So Trump gets to repeatedly call the ex VP and current Democratic nominee "Sleepy Joe" but remains presidential while doing so? That is some double standards there.

rossie1977

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Biden calling the Presidant a'clown' and telling him to shut up were pretty low blows. Doesn't say much for him. You may not like trump but you should at least respect the position he holds.

Trump said far far worse about Obama during his term..

Trump is a clown and has turned the whole presidency into a complete joke and a circus that even Hollywood 4 years ago would have thought too far fetched to touch.

I have no time for the Democrat party because of their total disregard for any law and order.

Disregard for law and order, give me a break. Why was crime and mass shootings much lower under previous Dem president then?

Dems don't believe in over the top action, police brutality etc. The don't want to turn the US into a police state like many on the right seem to want.

The way the police initially dealt with what were peaceful protests was a disgrace. Imagine Obama gassing the Tea Party protests a decade and bringing in riot police the chaos that would have ensued.

100 straight nights they rioted in Portland and the Democrat Mayor sat on his ass and didn't do a thing. And same thing happened in all big Democrat cities anf states. And if i was living in America and had a vote it is this dereliction of duty that would see me voting Republican no matter who the canditate was. If Dublin was allowed be burned and looted like that for months on end i'd be just as disgusted with any politicians who sat back and let it happen. It's a disgrace.

Completely untrue. The fact is bringing in the federal troops made situation far worse allowing far left and far right scumbags to go all in.

And then look at what happened in Fort Worth a Republican run city, they weren't even able to charge the protesters with anything https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/09/872827789/fort-worth-police-drop-rioting-charges-against-protesters-topic-of-a-broad-debat

It's not popular to say this on here or elsewhere but you got to call as you see it and i hope Trump wins this election.

Trumps the president. All the rioting and protests are happening on his watch and he is making it far worse by inciting violence.

Why do you think another four years of Trump won't see more of this perhaps far worse.

Blaming it on Dem mayors is laughable. Buck stops with president. Pretty sure if Obama or Hillary were president you wouldn't be blaming the mayor's or the Republican party..

Chalk McHugh

2ndcoming wrote: »

It's hard to see how anyone holds these views in 2020. Criticising a man for responding very mildly to a man deliberately acting like a petulant child and shouting over everything he said, insulting his family and his dead son? You wouldn't get away with it on a secondary school debate team, never mind a presidential debate. To quote Mark Twain, "never wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty but the pig likes it."

The entire middle paragraph is just regurgitated right wing falsehoods. They know they're lying when they say this stuff, I can only hope you do too. You'd have to have more respect for a liar than a fool who believes this stuff.

Openly appealing to armed, white males who imagine themselves disenfranchised - statistically by far and away the most likely group to commit mass murders and acts of domestic terrorism - would probably be liable to a charge of incitement of violence in this and most other parts of the world. Not so in the good ol' USA but that was for me the low point of an embarassing evening.

No liar. And no fool, lad. So less of the personal insults if you don't mind. It's the same everytime on these topics. Anyone that has a different viewpoint to the populist left narrative is shot down by the angry vocal mob. I've said my bit and won't be engaging in endless tit for tat debate that goes nowhere.

breezy1985

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

No liar. And no fool, lad. So less of the personal insults if you don't mind. It's the same everytime on these topics. Anyone that has a different viewpoint to the populist left narrative is shot down by the angry vocal mob. I've said my bit and won't be engaging in endless tit for tat debate that goes nowhere.

Fool is subjective. But he has been caught lying on several occasions both as a president and a husband

hynesie08

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Democrats: The Party of Lawlessness and Disorder.

Mate, watch the debate, Biden said he's against defunding the police, trump issued a sleeper command to the incel army.......

everlast75

breezy1985 wrote: »

Fool is subjective. But he has been caught lying on several occasions both as a president and a husband

Staring into an eclipse isn't being a fool?

Suggesting that they nuke a hurricane isn't being a fool?

Suggesting that you inject bleach isn't being a fool?

Suggesting that windmills give you cancer isn't being a fool?

Trump is 100% absolutely and utterly a fool.

gmisk

everlast75 wrote: »

Staring into an eclipse isn't being a fool?

Suggesting that they nuke a hurricane isn't being a fool?

Suggesting that you inject bleach isn't being a fool?

Suggesting that windmills give you cancer isn't being a fool?

Trump is 100% absolutely and utterly a fool.

That is so unfair.
You can't purely label someone a fool despite pretty much every word and action they take being bizarre and foolish...

mcmoustache

There are some serious double standards on display here today. Trump spent the evening ranting, rambling and taking personal shots at Biden and yet Biden screwed up by telling a clown to shut up? Christ. Some people...

hetuzozaho

Is there any good factual article on what Hunter Biden has actually done. Always hear the accusations but what is his story. And why is he and his parents making so much money

(the wiki article on him says he dated his brother's widow for a couple of years?!)

lalababa

I only had to see the 1st 2mins of the debate last night to almost throw up at the thought of how base and idiotic the race for president has become. Trump trying to shout down Biden with interruptions consisting of insults.

Roanmore

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

And resorting to calling the Presidant, who many millions of American people support, a clown.

The same president who uses names like Sleepy Joe, Shifty Schifd, Pocahontas, etc?

Igotadose

Roanmore wrote: »

The same president who uses names like Sleepy Joe, Shifty Schifd, Pocahontas, etc?

Even used Pocahontas in the debate. So tied to his racism, doesn't even see it.

breezy1985

everlast75 wrote: »

Staring into an eclipse isn't being a fool?

Suggesting that they nuke a hurricane isn't being a fool?

Suggesting that you inject bleach isn't being a fool?

Suggesting that windmills give you cancer isn't being a fool?

Trump is 100% absolutely and utterly a fool.

I think he's a fool but my point was it can't be fact checked where as a lie can

everlast75

breezy1985 wrote: »

I think he's a fool but my point was it can't be fact checked where as a lie can

His supporters don't care that he is a liar.

They do care when someone points out that he is a fool.

Water John

Here's what Frank Bruni NYT thought of it;
'Here’s the deal, as Biden would say: Only one man on that stage persuasively communicated that he has the interests of the American people at heart. Only one man on that stage seemed at all interested in maintaining a tether to the truth. Only one man demonstrated any respect for Wallace or for the process. Only one man would be bearable for the next four years. I needn’t spell out who that man is.'


He believed Biden should opt out of the two further debates, unless the format changes.

mcmoustache

mcmoustache wrote: »

There are some serious double standards on display here today. Trump spent the evening ranting, rambling and taking personal shots at Biden and yet Biden screwed up by telling a clown to shut up? Christ. Some people...

Probably the best thing Biden did tbh. Just shows he has little respect for Trump.

duploelabs

breezy1985 wrote: »

I think he's a fool but my point was it can't be fact checked where as a lie can

He could release his academic exam results to prove it but he's blocked that

lalababa

lalababa wrote: »

I only had to see the 1st 2mins of the debate last night to almost throw up at the thought of how base and idiotic the race for president has become. Trump trying to shout down Biden with interruptions consisting of insults.

Trump appeals to the loud, brash unintelligent voter who feels hard done by. A comparison in this country is probably PBP.

His communication skills are also quite childlike. At one stage he said Biden didn't have large rallies as nobody would show up, or along those lines. 4/5 year kids say stuff like that. He's a fraud as a president and as a businessman.

mcmoustache

6 wrote: »

Probably the best thing Biden did tbh. Just shows he has little respect for Trump.

Now it's an ad.


https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1311278369296719872


I expect more hay to be made from last night.

If Biden doesn't win it'll be down to sinking to Trumps level.

Concentrate on jobs lost and Covid deaths, and the huge role the Trump admin played in that. Go hard on Trumps tax avoidence too.

There is enough ammo there without resorting to stuff like that imo.

breezy1985

6 wrote: »

Trump appeals to the loud, brash unintelligent voter who feels hard done by. A comparison in this country is probably PBP.

His communication skills are also quite childlike. At one stage he said Biden didn't have large rallies as nobody would show up, or along those lines. 4/5 year kids say stuff like that. He's a fraud as a president and as a businessman.

Mine is bigger than Obama's. That was day 1 and not much has changed

breezy1985

6 wrote: »

If Biden doesn't win it'll be down to sinking to Trumps level.

Concentrate on jobs lost and Covid deaths, and the huge role the Trump admin played in that. Go hard on Trumps tax avoidence too.

There is enough ammo there without resorting to stuff like that imo.

He can't stick to those topics if the moderator allows Trump to shout over every sentence

VinLieger

Water John wrote: »

He believed Biden should opt out of the two further debates, unless the format changes.

If he does that its letting Trump out of looking a fool twice more and he gets to claim Bidens afraid of him which like it or not some of the small amount of undecideds may believe.

Strazdas

mcmoustache wrote: »

There are some serious double standards on display here today. Trump spent the evening ranting, rambling and taking personal shots at Biden and yet Biden screwed up by telling a clown to shut up? Christ. Some people...

95% of what went wrong with the debate was down to Trump. He spent the entire evening heckling and interrupting and even clashed with Chris Wallace a few times.

everlast75

This is how Trump saw it

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311153253472636928?s=19

Isn't it just so unfortunate for Trump that everyone is mean to him, everyone dislikes him? I mean, surely... surely it couldn't be *him*?

StringerBell

Apparently trump had done debate prep for that. Tried to portray as he had done nothing but did prep. Christ how bad could it have been if he hadnt.

Strazdas

StringerBell wrote: »

Apparently trump had done debate prep for that. Tried to portray as he had done nothing but did prep. Christ how bad could it have been if he hadnt.

It didn't look that way. He was in Twitter rant mode.

Quin_Dub

everlast75 wrote: »

This is how Trump saw it

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311153253472636928?s=19

Isn't it just so unfortunate for Trump that everyone is mean to him, everyone dislikes him? I mean, surely... surely it couldn't be *him*?

All that says to me is he knows how badly it went and that he lost.

Also it's Step 1 in his journey towards blowing off the rest of the Debates and having rallies instead.