US Presidential Election 2020

Itssoeasy

Foxtrol wrote: »

It is rippling through the white house and republican party. It was only a matter of time

I mean I see senator mike lee has tested positive and he had a meeting with Trumps SC nominee in person and I’ve no idea if masks and social distancing was observed but I’m sure if needed she will have to do a remote senate confirmation hearing as she has been a close contact with a confirmed case. I mean the fact the president has it and everything else this may be the most unique end to a US presidential election campaign in modern times.

Foxtrol

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I mean I see senator mike lee has tested positive and he had a meeting with Trumps SC nominee in person and I’ve no idea if masks and social distancing was observed but I’m sure if needed she will have to do a remote senate confirmation hearing as she has been a close contact with a confirmed case. I mean the fact the president has it and everything else this may be the most unique end to a US presidential election campaign in modern times.

Here was Mike Lee during the press conference in the Rose Garden last Saturday and meeting ACB in private. The video was potentially before he was infectious but shows his feelings towards masks and social distancing

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1312069254347395074?s=20

FatherTed

Foxtrol wrote: »

Here was Mike Lee during the press conference in the Rose Garden last Saturday and meeting ACB in private. The video was potentially before he was infectious but shows his feelings towards masks and social distancing

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1312069254347395074?s=20

"Best People"

Also apparently ACB had covid earlier in the summer.

hetuzozaho

amdublin wrote: »

Joe Biden has tested negative. Let's hope that stays that way

Negative in a positive way! Great news.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1312124794993692672?s=19

A note of what he is apparently being treated with.

No mention of bleach, or a light bulb up his butt.

Foxtrol

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1312124794993692672?s=19

A note of what he is apparently being treated with.

No mention of bleach, or a light bulb up his butt.

Where's the hydroxychloroquine??? He spent months saying how great it was.

Timberrrrrrrr

Foxtrol wrote: »

Where's the hydroxychloroquine??? He spent months saying how great it was.

Moved all his money into this drug probably.

Watch shares skyrocket as he makes a "miraculous recovery" and he declares a couple of weeks before the election that the US under Trump has found a "cure".

Foxtrol

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Moved all his money into this drug probably.

Watch shares skyrocket as he makes a "miraculous recovery" and he declares a couple of weeks before the election that the US under Trump has found a "cure".

Seems like what he is taking is an experimental drug. Really doesn't point to him doing well at all.

Muahahaha

Foxtrol wrote: »

Seems like what he is taking is an experimental drug. Really doesn't point to him doing well at all.

Reports on Twitter have gone from saying he was showing symptons earlier on today to him now having a fever this evening. I wouldnt trust whatever the White House puts out about him anyway, they wlll always down play it.

Water John

Biden ever so Presidential in speaking this evening in Michigan. The contrast is remarkable. Wished the Trump's get well soon, despite neither the WH or GOP informing the Bidens that the Trumps had tested positive.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1312138608367656960?s=19

Now we may get finally some straight info on his condition without spin..

droidus

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1312134788573089792

They refused tests and then refused to wear masks. What are the odds that they knew they were infected?

Foxtrol

everlast75 wrote: »

Now we may get finally some straight info on his condition without spin..

There will always be spin. They wont release any information that they aren't told they can.

Even if the information today is spin, it looks terrible how bad it is going during the space of a few hours. The White House basically has its own mini top level hospital so they unlikely go anywhere else without it being serious

https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/1312140655976562698?s=20

Spanish Eyes

Foxtrol wrote: »

There will always be spin. They wont release any information that they aren't told they can.

Even if the information today is spin, it looks terrible how bad it is going during the space of a few hours. The White House basically has its own mini top level hospital so they unlikely go anywhere else without it being serious

https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/1312140655976562698?s=20

I wouldn't wish bad on anyone, even Trump, but this has all the hallmarks of a designed illness at a critical time in the hustings. You know, I know and everyone with half a brain knows what's going on here.

But then again if he is actually very seriously affected I would have sympathy. How is Melania BTW?

Water John

Melania had a mild cough and a headache.

Water John

Water John wrote: »

Melania had a mild cough and a headache.

Called Donald...

Augme

If they are already saying he will be in hospital for a few days then that probably isn't a good sign either.

Spanish Eyes

Augme wrote: »

If they are already saying he will be in hospital for a few days then that probably isn't a good sign either.

I really have my doubts about this now. Sorry I wouldn't wish this on anyone, but surely we can see that it is timely in the debate cycle.

And then he will bounce back and claim it is all FAKE NEWS. :pac:

Foxtrol

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I wouldn't wish bad on anyone, even Trump, but this has all the hallmarks of a designed illness at a critical time in the hustings. You know, I know and everyone with half a brain knows what's going on here.

But then again if he is actually very seriously affected I would have sympathy. How is Melania BTW?

I posted this morning why I didn't think it was 'a designed illness' (see below). I feel even stronger about that now that he is going to hospital with it, he hasn't tweeted, and I saw how the media in general are covering it (feel bad but it is was his own stupidity).

If he bounced back in front of the cameras after a day or so I'd get the conspiracy angle but having him spend several days in hospital for something he holds a lot of blame for getting can't be a good look in anyone's eyes.

Foxtrol wrote: »

In a lot of place I'm seeing the usual 'Trump is a chess master' type takes when all evidence is that Trump is far more a broken clock.

This hurts him politically on so many levels, with it being emphasized even more due to his narcissism:
- It stops him from doing any in person campaigning, the thing that he is clearly most proud, enjoys, and eases his broken ego.
- It makes him look weak to have everyone on the news talk about his age, weight, other health problems (if he fights it off he can't take a victory lap of his strength without rubbing it in the faces of the families of 200k dead americans).
- It highlights to how wrong his administration has been regarding mask wearing, campaigning etc.
- It allows Biden to run adds basic non-attack ads on COVID how he'll deal with it better, with the subtext that despite Trump having all the powers of the president he can't even keep himself safe so how can he keep your family safe

The main concern I have that with dumb Trump luck, his recklessness will have infected Biden during the debate and Biden will get a much more serious case.

Augme

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I really have my doubts about this now. Sorry I wouldn't wish this on anyone, but surely we can see that it is timely in the debate cycle.

And then he will bounce back and claim it is all FAKE NEWS. :pac:

Can't really the benefits of it being fake though. If he was doing it to promote a working vacaine he would be a lot better off doing that closer to the election.

everlast75

If there was ever a starker contrast between the two candidates, think back to Trump 4 years ago when hillary was ill

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1311926144795635712?s=19

And what Biden is doing now with Trump ill...

https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/status/1312147640709083137?s=19

Spanish Eyes

Augme wrote: »

If they are already saying he will be in hospital for a few days then that probably isn't a good sign either.

Who is saying this, and is it independently verified?

Medical privacy rules I suspect mean they can say anything.

The sympathy vote is a powerful thing.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1312166498165612546?s=19

My God - absolutely no class

Timberrrrrrrr

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1312166498165612546?s=19

My God - absolutely no class

To be fair these are usually pre-written and timed to go out at a certain time on a certain date. Just terrible timing by the Trump campaign people:D

TheLastMohican

Just saw that Biden's people have pulled all the negative Trump ads. A tough one for Joe - he's got to show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRXGsPBUV5g

Headshot

TheLastMohican wrote: »

Just saw that Biden's people have pulled all the negative Trump ads. A tough one for Joe - he's got to show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRXGsPBUV5g

Im in two minds about it.

On one hand Biden is a class act but if it was Trump and Biden was in hospital he'd go for the kill and have no mercy what so ever

TheLastMohican

I live in Trump heartland. Logic does not apply. Sophistry, innuendo and outright BS rule. As a non single cell amoeba, one can feel marginalised.
Seriously, apart from the Supreme Court shenanigans, the great American people will get the candidate they deserve/vote for. Am looking forward to Harris carving up Mike Pence!

Gbear

Headshot wrote: »

Im in two minds about it.

On one hand Biden is a class act but if it was Trump and Biden was in hospital he'd go for the kill and have no mercy what so ever

It's just good politics.

Just like how Trump's sneering at Hunter Biden was met by Joe's calm declaration of love and support for his son and pride in him kicking the habit.

Whatever about the truth of it, and I'm sure it was genuine, it also showed Trump up as a disgusting human and Biden as the sort of benevolent patriarch that he's trying to present himself as.

It's the same principle here, albeit I'm sure in this case, it's more cynical and Biden would love nothing more to stick the boot in.

BonnieSituation

I bet there are some Trumpeters out there that see Biden's actions as "weak" because he's not sticking the boot in, but if he were to stick the boot in he would be "unfair and disgraceful".

c.p.w.g.w

Biden pulling negative ads might be a mistake...this is a dirty fight and i really fear that fighting clean and taking the higher ground might not work for Biden

Tell me how

https://twitter.com/Reddy/status/1312236928377540610?s=19

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1312228731470123008?s=19

Irrespective of what happens going forward, the history books are going to rip this administration to pieces for their flippant and cavalier attitude to Covid.

ThunbergsAreGo

Headshot wrote: »

Im in two minds about it.

On one hand Biden is a class act but if it was Trump and Biden was in hospital he'd go for the kill and have no mercy what so ever

He can let the Lincoln Project do the negative campaigning for him.

Its a smart move on his part. It's only the 20 percent in the middle he is trying to win, and this should help with them.

I still have no idea, beyond I'm not the other lad, what either candidate plans to bring.

Tell me how

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

He can let the Lincoln Project do the negative campaigning for him.

Its a smart move on his part. It's only the 20 percent in the middle he is trying to win, and this should help with them.

I still have no idea, beyond I'm not the other lad, what either candidate plans to bring.

Biden Campaign Papers

• A Tale Of Two Tax Policies: Trump Rewards Wealth, Biden Rewards Work
• Build Back Better: Jobs and Economic Recovery for Working Families
• Build Back Better: Racial Equity Across the American Economy
• Build Back Better: 21st Century Caregiving and Education Workforce
• Build Back Better: Sustainable Infrastructure and a Clean Energy Future
• Ensure the Future is “Made in All of America” by All of America’s Workers
• Joe Biden’s Roadmap to Reopening Schools Safely
• The Biden Agenda for Women
• The Biden Plan for Full Participation and Equality for People With Disabilities
• Joe’s Leadership in Times of Crisis: COVID-19
• Joe Biden’s Proposals to Set Up Support for Deserving Small Businesses
• The Biden 4-Point Plan for Our Essential Workers
• The Biden Plan to Scale Up Employment Insurance
• The Biden Plan for Bankruptcy Reform
• The Biden Plan for Combating Coronavirus (COVID-19)
• Lift Every Voice: The Biden Plan for Black America
• The Biden Plan for Central America
• The Biden Plan for Immigration
• The Biden Plan for Veterans
• The Biden Plan for Military Families
• The Biden Plan for Encouraging Unions and Empowering Workers
• The Biden Plan for Campaign Finance and Government Reform
• The Biden Plan For Education Beyond High School
• The Biden Plan for Ending Gun Violence
• The Biden Plan for Violence Against Women
• The Biden Plan for Criminal Justice Reform
• The Biden Plan for Rural America
• The Biden Plan for Older Americans and Retirement
• The Biden Plan for Health Care
• The Biden Plan for Restoring American Leadership
• The Biden Plan for Climate Change
• The Biden Plan for K-12 Education
• The Biden Plan for Housing
• The Biden Plan for LGBTQ+ Equality
• The Biden Plan for Opioids and Substance Use Disorders
• Joe Biden's Agenda for The Catholic Community
• Joe Biden’s Agenda For Students
• Joe Biden's Agenda for The Black Community
• Joe Biden’s Agenda for the AAPI Community
• Joe Biden's Agenda for the Indian American Community
• Joe Biden's Agenda for the Jewish Community
• Joe Biden’s Agenda for Muslim-American Communities
• Joe Biden’s Commitment to Indian Country
• Joe Biden's Agenda for the Latino Community
• The Biden Plan to Invest in Middle Class Competitiveness
• The Biden Plan for Environmental Justice
• Joe Biden and the Arab American Community: A Plan for Partnership
• The Biden-Harris Plan For Recovery, Renewal and Respect for Puerto Rico

ThunbergsAreGo

Tell me how wrote: »

Biden Campaign Papers

I'm not interested enough to read any of them. It's an election in a far away country. Its interesting no doubt, hehe pressing here.

However I am sure many Americans feel the same. Maybe there have been positive videos made but not shared.

Regardless positive campaigning is a good thing.

Tell me how

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I still have no idea, beyond I'm not the other lad, what either candidate plans to bring.

Tell me how wrote: »

Biden Campaign Papers

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I'm not interested enough to read any of them. It's an election in a far away country. Its interesting no doubt, hehe pressing here.

I've half a mind to start a thread about people who actively engage in discussions, acknowledge they don't know anything about core elements, but then say that they are not interested in learning either as the topic doesn't really interest them.

Why get involved at all?

everlast75

Tell me how wrote: »

I've half a mind to start a thread about people who actively engage in discussions, acknowledge they don't know anything about core elements, but then say that they are not interested in learning either as the topic doesn't really interest them.

Why get involved at all?

Don't bring facts to a trump debate. They are not welcome.


Anyhoo - in today's example of "there's always a tweet"....


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/517805743056359424?s=19

Brian?

I would like the see the Biden v Pence polling now. I am sure it's being done on the sly.

I don't wish any harm on Trump, I would prefer to see him get healthy and lose the election.

briany

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Biden pulling negative ads might be a mistake...this is a dirty fight and i really fear that fighting clean and taking the higher ground might not work for Biden

Biden's basic platform is that he wants to restore dignity to the WH. I don't think getting Trump-level dirty is the way accomplish that. In fact, I think Trump is hoping Biden will do exactly as you say so Trump can freely attack that big selling point.

Igotadose

Here's hoping Tillis gets a bad case of it and has to drop from campaigning. Another Senate seat could flip to the Democratic party as a result. No campaign manager (Stepien) and no 'ex-staffer who was campaign manager in 2016' (Kellywise) certainly will impact the crack #IMPOTUS campaign team. Great job by President Trump in spreading this illness!

Inquitus

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Something in all this coverage really ticked me off

Trump is getting the absolute best healthcare like some sort of a king (while my coworkers in US are witting on our work slack about "praying for our president") this is the same Trump who took healthcare away from millions of Americans and plans to take it away from millions more in a middle of a pandemic.

Some republic the US is...

Aye you can die at home, while I get treated in the best hospital in the land, at least Bojo went to an NHS hospital!

everlast75

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Something in all this coverage really ticked me off

Trump is getting the absolute best healthcare like some sort of a king (while my coworkers in US are writing on our work slack about "praying for our president") this is the same Trump who took healthcare away from millions of Americans and plans to take it away from millions more in a middle of a pandemic.

Some republic the US is...

He now has a preexisting condition which means that if he repeals ACA, he'll be denied cover

WomanSkirtFan8

Tell me how wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Reddy/status/1312236928377540610?s=19

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1312228731470123008?s=19

Irrespective of what happens going forward, the history books are going to rip this administration to pieces for their flippant and cavalier attitude to Covid.

Yep. Without a shadow of a doubt.
History will not be kind to Trump at all.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/AngrierWHStaff/status/1312422066851852299?s=19


They knew he had it and furthermore, didn't tell the biden team!!!

Foxtrol

The Trump team are all over the place as usual. The doctor goes out and gives a conflicting timeline that shows incredible recklessness by Trump, dodges basic questions, but overall gives a positive outlook on his condition. Then straight after the press conference one of the Trump team members gives this statement to the press pool

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1312428550247583744?s=20

Harry Palmr

If you tell enough lies the truth will never be found or believed if it is.

Foxtrol

Best timeline of events I've seen for what happened (notes the sources).

Once again, the Trump team's handling of this has managed to turn a story that could have gotten him some sympathy into one where he looks like a uncaring monster

https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1312428988212678656?s=20

Timberrrrrrrr

If any of them die over this then Trumps goose is cooked, how can he survive this then come out and claim any sort of victory when he was the one who always encouraged people not to wear masks is beyond me.

Foxtrol

Foxtrol wrote: »

The Trump team are all over the place as usual. The doctor goes out and gives a conflicting timeline that shows incredible recklessness by Trump, dodges basic questions, but overall gives a positive outlook on his condition. Then straight after the press conference one of the Trump team members gives this statement to the press pool

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1312428550247583744?s=20

Looks like we have the person who gave the statement that Trump's health looks bad, it is Mark Meadows Trump's Chief of Staff. He was caught on a live feed going over to the pool reporters and saying to turn off the cameras and he'd give them a statement off the record

https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/1312429131079057409?s=20

Gbear

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If any of them die over this then Trumps goose is cooked, how can he survive this then come out and claim any sort of victory when he was the one who always encouraged people not to wear masks is beyond me.

Nah. The head of the cult is the only one who's indispensible.

It won't be any more or less cooked than it already is.

If he wins it was always going to be down to some quirk of the electoral college or actively stealing the election, and that hasn't changed.

https://apnews.com/article/archive-75ae554ce5d092d50dad7c0c7dbcf70e

The fact he ended up on oxygen at all would indicate there's likely long term damage being done by covid and he's in a far from good state.