US Presidential Election 2020

StringerBell

eagle eye wrote: »

He is certainly not a socialist candidate. He will be liked by Wall Street and will be well funded as a result.

Hasn't Bloomberg kind of filled that gap though?

Along with Biden, and to a lesser extent Mayor Pete.

It certainly indicates the majority of the democratic party membership are getting worried that one of the more progressives is going to take the nomination but I wonder are they going to be diluting their own vote share a bit too much. I think Biden getting caught up in this part of the impeachment has led to some thinking they need to hedge their bets in case it takes him down.

briany

FrostyJack wrote: »

Jessa Ventura got elected on a protest vote not dissimilar to Trump. I can't remember if was successful in the job. Last I heard he was living in disgrace in Mexico thanks to the pyscopath Chris Kyle spreading lies about him. Couple that with his unhinged conspiracy theories and he has some signs of some degenerative disease he would get no support from any backers.

- From what I gather, Ventura was a perfectly adequate public servant in his time as a governor.

- Ventura's spat with Kyle (in which Kyle was proven to be a liar), pales in insignificance with the fact that has on more than one occasion wilfully talked sh*t about ex-servicemen and their families, and totally got away with it.

- He doesn't live in disgrace in Mexico. He spends the Winters down there and the Summers in Minnesota.

- Yes, Ventura deals in unhinged conspiracy theories such as the JFK assassination. Well, actually, JFK is one of the most mainstream CTs there is. And if you look at his show, there's nothing on it on the level of Sandy Hook actors, or Pizzagate.

Nothing in his person that would really stop him. He'd be more scuppered by the fact that his star wouldn't be quite as high as Trump's, and he wouldn't be accepted by the Democratic establishment.

FrostyJack

briany wrote:

- He doesn't live in disgrace in Mexico. He spends the Winters down there and the Summers in Minnesota.

He said on Joe Rogan he was down there when the Kyle story broke and when he came back he was fired from his show, none of the networks would go near him. He had threats on his life so he was going back there I thought. Fox News don't go back and apologise for their lies so Republicans will still think he stole from a dead hero's family, Dems won't go near him over the conspiracy stuff, so that only leaves liberation route, which I think he sides with but that means he dead in the water due 2 party system.

Jesus effing Christ

eagle eye wrote: »

Deval Patrick will be a serious contender. He is younger than Biden and Sanders too.

You serious
He went to Bain Capitol straight after the governor gig

He left last Wednesday! 🀣🀣🀣
how about that for a revolving door


Heard him speak a while ago.

Medicare for all - straight up "No"

Increasing taxes on the rich - "yes, but directionly" (not sure what exactly he means by directionly but sounds a lot like bull**** to me. So he wont be going back on the trump tax cuts )

Eliminating student debt- "off course I support it and there are other strategies...( in other words go **** yourself students)

Overheal

Rep Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) found in emails and other primary evidence (https://oce.house.gov/sites/congressionalethics.house.gov/files/documents/Referral%20Exhibits.pdf) by the Office of Conressional Ethics to have Soliciting Campaign Funds for Personal Use

https://www.mediaite.com/news/house-ethics-committee-releases-emails-showing-rep-rashida-tlaib-soliciting-campaign-funds-for-personal-use/

Not clear that she's been charged with anything (yet?) or that she's even violated the ethics rules - there are also communications that make it appear they tried at least to navigate the applicable laws/ethics rules but TBD.

Fr Tod Umptious

Jesus effing Christ wrote: »

You serious
He went to Bain Capitol straight after the governor gig

He left last Wednesday! ������
how about that for a revolving door


Heard him speak a while ago.

Medicare for all - straight up "No"

Increasing taxes on the rich - "yes, but directionly" (not sure what exactly he means by directionly but sounds a lot like bull**** to me. So he wont be going back on the trump tax cuts )

Eliminating student debt- "off course I support it and there are other strategies...( in other words go **** yourself students)

But that's why he is in the race.

To come across as moderate compared to the other two on the (relative) "left" .

Think of it like the British general election.
Take Brexit out of it and look at Labour.
People would be scared that they are going too far to the left by British standards under Corbyn.

Just like people would fear that Warren or Sanders would bring America too far to the left by American standards.

By American standards, Medicare for all is to far to the left.

rossie1977

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But that's why he is in the race.

To come across as moderate compared to the other two on the (relative) "left" .

Think of it like the British general election.
Take Brexit out of it and look at Labour.
People would be scared that they are going too far to the left by British standards under Corbyn.

Just like people would fear that Warren or Sanders would bring America too far to the left by American standards.

By American standards, Medicare for all is to far to the left.

Last sentence is not true. 60% of all Americans favour expanding Medicare for all to everyone or properly government funded national health care service

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110694453&postcount=1074

Republicans, corporate media, Democrat leadership yes medicare for all is far left because they and their donors will do everything in their power to make it not happen and try and convince people it's a terrible idea

Overheal

Deval Patrick 2020: Dead on Arrival?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/deval-patrick-pushed-out-officials-who-wanted-to-put-his-brother-in-law-on-sex-offender-registry/2019/11/15/955a784e-07ba-11ea-b388-434b5c1d7dd8_story.html

Pushed out officials that wanted his brother on sex offender registry.

eagle eye

It doesn't seem like he did anything wrong there besides try help protect his sister's children.
Edwards lost her case against him for defamation too.

MadYaker

Overheal wrote: »

Deval Patrick 2020: Dead on Arrival?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/deval-patrick-pushed-out-officials-who-wanted-to-put-his-brother-in-law-on-sex-offender-registry/2019/11/15/955a784e-07ba-11ea-b388-434b5c1d7dd8_story.html

Pushed out officials that wanted his brother on sex offender registry.

What a mess. He shouldn’t even have entered the race with all that going on in his family. How is the victim and her children going to feel with all this being dragged through the media yet again. Not to mention that he hasn’t a fcuking hope of getting the nomination. Gobsh!te.

rossie1977

Anybody entering race at this late stage is only doing it for publicity purposes, nothing more as they have zero chance of winning.

Jesus effing Christ

Just to be clear

Progressives voters would have already made up their mind on Patrick not being for them.

So later on when you hear people complaining about Democrats wanting "a pure" "whiter than white" don't start thinking its those pesky progressives. That problem it within your fellow moderates!!

eagle eye

rossie1977 wrote:

Anybody entering race at this late stage is only doing it for publicity purposes, nothing more as they have zero chance of winning.

The candidates already in the race are no hopers as far as being elected president is concerned, I'm talking about Biden, Warren and Sanders.
Patrick is a far better candidate than any of them. This stuff can all be spun positively for him too. He didn't enter the race initially to prevent his family being exposed like this. He gets the OK from his sister to go for it and enters. Wouldn't you protect your nieces and nephews? Wouldn't you try and help to prevent them from being talked about in the media?
I think this all blows over pretty quickly.
If he can prove that the Republicans are behind all this being exposed in the press it's massive.

MadYaker

You’d wonder why Biden has been consistently ahead in all the polls so?

MadYaker

eagle eye wrote: »

The candidates already in the race are no hopers as far as being elected president is concerned, I'm talking about Biden, Warren and Sanders.
Patrick is a far better candidate than any of them. This stuff can all be spun positively for him too. He didn't enter the race initially to prevent his family being exposed like this. He gets the OK from his sister to go for it and enters. Wouldn't you protect your nieces and nephews? Wouldn't you try and help to prevent them from being talked about in the media?
I think this all blows over pretty quickly.
If he can prove that the Republicans are behind all this being exposed in the press it's massive.

If he was really interested in protecting them he would have pulled out of politics altogether, he’s shown his willingness to value his political ambitions more than his family several times. It’s electing egomaniacs like this guy that has American politics fcuk Ed. “Oooh my poor sister and her kids” come off it mate he knew this would happen and he went into politics anyway.

Danzy

rossie1977 wrote: »

Anybody entering race at this late stage is only doing it for publicity purposes, nothing more as they have zero chance of winning.

Lot of it but the field of current nominees is so bland and jaded one could be forgiven for thinking an opening to storm it might come up.

Too late though.

Danzy

MadYaker wrote: »

You’d wonder why Biden has been consistently ahead in all the polls so?

4 legged donkey beating 3 legged horses.

eagle eye

MadYaker wrote:

You’d wonder why Biden has been consistently ahead in all the polls so?

He's ahead because the average American pays little heed to things until close to a presidential election. As soon as they see him looking like he is in the early throws of dementia they won't vote for him. Not many will change to Trump but lots won't vote.

rossie1977

eagle eye wrote: »

The candidates already in the race are no hopers as far as being elected president is concerned, I'm talking about Biden, Warren and Sanders.

Well I am talking Dem race specifically not Presidential race and saying Warren/Biden/Sanders have no chance is strange given polls certainly don't show that.

Trump's popularity has nosedived across many states since early 2017. He is now massively underwater in rust belt and losing ground in places he should be strong ie Georgia, North Carolina, Nebraska, Utah and Texas.

2020 is going to be close election regardless which of the three Dems win nomination.

Patrick is a far better candidate than any of them.

Based on what though? Has he more experience than the three leading Dem candidates, clearly not.

Even if he was greatest candidate in history entering this late is completely futile. Most voters will have already made their mind up and donors will already have picked their candidate.

Bloomberg and Patrick aren't entering race in late November because they intend to win this thing or become next President.

StringerBell

Bloomberg is no fool, if he's getting in its because he sees a path to victory. He said a couple if months back that he couldn't see a way to win, he has spent a fortune on focus groups and research and now obviously sees a way to victory so I'll be watching with interest.

Mayor Pete star is steadily on the rise too and I wouldn't be surprised to see him as the VP candidate at this stage.

If he could change the conception around him among likely black voters it could be even better, but we shall see.

I'd wager Patrick is deemed a good candidate by EE due to his age profile as much as anything else but personally I don't see him making much of an impact. I think wall Street is getting concerned about biden getting stained by this impeachment and hedging bets but they will go with another candidate if push comes to shove, like Bloomberg even for example.

Bloomberg is actually a good candidate tbf to him and has experience running the largest city in the US. Not that experience seems to matter at all these days. He will need to garner some of the more left side of the party though to get the nomination so I'm interested to see how he does that, besides making the advertising cost so expensive other campaigns start to collapse under the pressure to keep up

Water John

It again would leave a sour taste, and make them reluctant voters, if Warren/Sanders supporters who only use small donations and reject corporate financing, to be overrun by simply a wealthy man, basically buying the nomination.

rossie1977

Giuliani was mayor of NYC, that in itself won't win you or even get you close to nomination.

Trump was higher profile candidate than Bloomberg but it took him months to convince Republican voters he was legit.

It's Christmas soon so people won't be thinking politics and then primaries start on February 3rd, simply no time to build a serious candidacy.

Rjd2

Bloomberg has not got the charisma that Trump has either which is hugely important. Trump gained serious momentum battering other Republicans in the debate, however I see Sanders and Warren and even the so called moderates battering Bloomberg.

Also Pete gaining momentum but as always struggling with black voters and this really really won't help.
:eek::eek:

https://twitter.com/RachelRGonzalez/status/1195766370010464256

Overheal

You may need to log in to view but WaPo has an interactive questionnaire to help people figure out which Democrat might align best with your preference based on 10 Q's

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/quiz-which-candidate-agrees-with-me/

(I had a null set :P)

For Forks Sake

Overheal wrote: »

You may need to log in to view but WaPo has an interactive questionnaire to help people figure out which Democrat might align best with your preference based on 10 Q's

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/quiz-which-candidate-agrees-with-me/

(I had a null set :P)

Buttigieg, Yang and Steyer (who?) apparently.

whomitconcerns

Biden, Buttigieg and whoever Klobuchar is.

Biden would be my vote if I had one!

pixelburp

Amid the impeachment process, it's easy to forget there's yet another Democrat debate tonight; thanks to the late entries we're still looking at a double digit number of candidates so doubtless the debate will remain as inert as before. Presumably there'll be questions on impeaching Trump, that's a given.

Danzy

Vermont senator Bernie Sanders, by contrast, warned that the party must not become “consumed” by Trump and the impeachment inquiry or risk losing the election to him again in November 2020..


Bernie gets the situation.

Biden a bit weak at times, no one stood out from what I saw of it.

6 already lined up for next debate in December.

Klobuchar included ffs

pixelburp

Yes, I saw Sanders' comments and he's right on the money; if the winner focuses on Trump, Trump, Trump the Democrats are simply going to struggle. As he says, the Impeachment process is being handled by Congress - as it should be - and the candidates should leave it to that branch of government to pursue. Of course, whether the media allowed these candidates to ignore it is another matter; it's easy to be derailed when XYZ is asking constant questions on Trump.

Danzy

pixelburp wrote: »

Yes, I saw Sanders' comments and he's right on the money; if the winner focuses on Trump, Trump, Trump the Democrats are simply going to struggle. As he says, the Impeachment process is being handled by Congress - as it should be - and the candidates should leave it to that branch of government to pursue. Of course, whether the media allowed these candidates to ignore it is another matter; it's easy to be derailed when XYZ is asking constant questions on Trump.

It is but the Democrats and the candidates would do that, if the media didn't.

Manic Moran

Overheal wrote: »

You may need to log in to view but WaPo has an interactive questionnaire to help people figure out which Democrat might align best with your preference based on 10 Q's

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/quiz-which-candidate-agrees-with-me/

(I had a null set :P)

Nice find.

Biden (6), Yang (5) , Klochubar (4). Yang sortof surprises me, but only because I haven't paid him any attention.

Bottom three, Harris (1) Sanders (1), Warren, (0). I thought Warren was supposed to be less 'extreme'?

Larbre34

I'm with Klobuchar on 7, Biden and Mayor Pete on 6. I'd happily row in behind a Klobuchar candidacy if she wasn't regarded as one of the most personally obnoxious people in Congress. And she won't have the wonga to go much further.

Speaking of which, Michael Bloomberg has now thrown down. He may have the cash to out-Trump Trump in any campaign but, and it is a stark reality, a wealthy New York Jew will be a hard sell for votes in most of the USA - for any or all of those 3 reasons, and probably more. He is also an old man.

At this moment, I cannot identify a frontrunner, and that fact must be horrifying Democrats at the moment.

Water John

There is an advantage for the Dems in Trump not being to identify a single candidate, this far out. He thought it was Biden and look what he has tried there.

DrumSteve

Water John wrote: »

There is an advantage for the Dems in Trump not being to identify a single candidate, this far out. He thought it was Biden and look what he has tried there.

Might be giving them too much credit, but could that be the plan?

I know Biden is the most well known but in real terms I hope Bernie gets the nomination. Realistically, it'll probably be warren which means an entire year of trump doing stupid Pocahontas jokes.

ELM327

Manic Moran wrote: »

Nice find.

Biden (6), Yang (5) , Klochubar (4). Yang sortof surprises me, but only because I haven't paid him any attention.

Bottom three, Harris (1) Sanders (1), Warren, (0). I thought Warren was supposed to be less 'extreme'?

I have 5 with biden!

Larbre34

I'd love if it was Harris, let Trump try to help himself from a racist trope on twitter then.

Danzy

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'd love if it was Harris, let Trump try to help himself from a racist trope on twitter then.

Trump would love Harris as well.

Danzy

Water John wrote: »

There is an advantage for the Dems in Trump not being to identify a single candidate, this far out. He thought it was Biden and look what he has tried there.

Something in that, more to do with the electorate than Trump I think.

Maybe trying to make it a rollercoaster campaign and try not have the publ8c bored or freaked out by the candidate by Nov next year.

Its risky, especially in terms of fund raising where the Dems are getting hammered by the republicans and Trump.

eagle eye

Larbre34 wrote:

I'd love if it was Harris, let Trump try to help himself from a racist trope on twitter then.

He wouldn't have to go there. He'd just paint her as a whore based on her relationship with Willie Brown.

rossie1977

Trump's polling at his lowest level on Rasmussen for months currently. It's not that long ago he was 50%+ on there now 43-44%

duploelabs

rossie1977 wrote: »

Trump's polling at his lowest level on Rasmussen for months currently. It's not that long ago he was 50%+ on there now 43-44%

And they poll quite to the right

pixelburp

Harris is probably second to O'Rourke as the most spectacular flop of the primary so far; though at least she came to the campaign with some bona fides and a good (if checkered) career as a prosecutor. She probably peaked way too early with her Bussing moment, though never really took off nationally either.

ELM327

rossie1977 wrote: »

Trump's polling at his lowest level on Rasmussen for months currently. It's not that long ago he was 50%+ on there now 43-44%

Is that polling or approval rating?


A lot of people would not "approve" of Trump to date but would die before voting for a democrat or socialist.

Water John

Here is a good article on what the Dems should do with their large number of canididates, ranked choice voting (RCV). Same as our STV means the most popular, actually gets the most votes at the end.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/27/democratic-presidential-candidates-ranked-choice-voting

Rjd2

Warren's slide seems to the big story atm.

Biden despite relentless online criticism from left and right still seems solid and his support with black voters still intact.

Mayor Pete doing well but getting black voters to come to him looks really hard.

Bernie also doing well, he is winning NH atm.

Out of those 4 I'd be reluctant to rule out anyone but if I had to probably Pete as I don't see how you can get the dem nomination without the black vote.

Very tight though.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/11/26/elizabeth-warren-is-slipping-in-the-polls-as-nh-primary-looms/

rossie1977

As expected this late Bloombergs campaign has got off with the momentum of a wet firework. Polling at 2-3% on CNN, SurveyUSA, Quinnipiac and Politico

StringerBell

Bloomberg hasn't started yet though, he has just launched a 37million dollar and campaign now hasn't he? Incredible money

everlast75

StringerBell wrote: »

Bloomberg hasn't started yet though, he has just launched a 37million dollar and campaign now hasn't he? Incredible money

probably less money than he stands to lose if Warren introduces the "wealth" tax

StringerBell

everlast75 wrote: »

probably less money than he stands to lose if Warren introduces the "wealth" tax

I would imagine so, but she hasn't a hope of getting that through congress either tbf.

I think he has already with that one but outspent herself, biden, and Sanders on as buys? Pros and cons to it from his point of view but I'd wait until he's been in the race a few weeks to pass judgement on how it's going to go for him.

everlast75

I was just thinking, in relation to Bloomberg, Trump and his supporters can hardly lay a glove on him. Allegations like the following can't work

1) He's rich and trying to run the Country like a company - Trump bragged about how much he is worth constantly on the trail and said as he was a business man, he knew how to make the Country prosperous again
2) Stop and frisk means he is a racist - Trump has the travel ban, among many many other things in that closet
3) He is not a politician - Trump prided himself on that.


In what way is Bloomberg not the much better version than Trump?