US Presidential Election 2020

Cody montana

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I see Fox News is supportive of the idea. They’re just reporting that trump plans to do it, without much spin and definitely no opposition. In a week they’ll be in full support of the idea.

Fox median viewer age is in their 60s so they’re the at risk group. If they can sell it to the Fox News audience then they can sell it to anyone. If he can muddy the waters in the election and make it all about whether it was right to reopen the country when he did, then he can control the narrative again. That’s a potential winner.

He really could make sure the election campaign has little to do with his actual record and is all about having saved the economy by restarting things at Easter or whenever he does it.

Just wait. In 2 weeks the US will be divided completely down party lines on this issue and then he’s back in control of the race.

And what if the Coronavirus overwhelms the country?

pixelburp

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I see Fox News is supportive of the idea. They’re just reporting that trump plans to do it, without much spin and definitely no opposition. In a week they’ll be in full support of the idea.

Fox median viewer age is in their 60s so they’re the at risk group. If they can sell it to the Fox News audience then they can sell it to anyone. If he can muddy the waters in the election and make it all about whether it was right to reopen the country when he did, then he can control the narrative again. That’s a potential winner.

He really could make sure the election campaign has little to do with his actual record and is all about having saved the economy by restarting things at Easter or whenever he does it.

Just wait. In 2 weeks the US will be divided completely down party lines on this issue and then he’s back in control of the race.

Why wait two weeks? Everything now in the US is divided along party lines; from the outset the Corona outbreak has been labelled as a Democrat hoax, or some fault of the Democrats. The narrative has been pushed & pushed by those with an axe to grind, likely endangering folk already hardwired into this Sports Fan politicking. While I'm not au fait with every nation's position, I can't think of any other country whose response has been so heavily politicised as America's. Quibbling over timing, funding or efficacy, but never open hostility.

El_Duderino 09

Cody montana wrote: »

And what if the Coronavirus overwhelms the country?

“It would have been so much worse if we didn’t reopen the economy. Many, many times worse... Best response in the world, you want to see the mess other countries are in... envy of the world”

You can hear him say it.

El_Duderino 09

pixelburp wrote: »

Why wait two weeks? Everything now in the US is divided along party lines; from the outset the Corona outbreak has been labelled as a Democrat hoax, or some fault of the Democrats. The narrative has been pushed & pushed by those with an axe to grind, likely endangering folk already hardwired into this Sports Fan politicking. While I'm not au fait with every nation's position, I can't think of any other country whose response has been so heavily politicised as America's. Quibbling over timing, funding or efficacy, but never open hostility.

It would be better to take a couple of weeks to get people inside and make sure people see it as a partisan idea. It’s how he tends to do things. It’ll help when pro trump media has a couple of weeks to get his supporters used to the idea that they support the economy over all else.

everlast75

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

“It would have been so much worse if we didn’t reopen the economy. Many, many times worse... Best response in the world, you want to see the mess other countries are in... envy of the world”

You can hear him say it.

Everyone will hear him say it - but only those cocooned in the Fox News feedback loop may believe it.

The main demographic for Fox is an age group in particular danger. It will more than likely effect those more than others.

It will be a hard sell when the scientific community say otherwise and you know someone who passed away.

El_Duderino 09

everlast75 wrote: »

Everyone will hear him say it - but only those cocooned in the Fox News feedback loop may believe it.

The main demographic for Fox is an age group in particular danger. It will more than likely effect those more than others.

It will be a hard sell when the scientific community say otherwise and you know someone who passed away.

You mention the scientific community but the US has a strong tradition of disbelieving the science community in favour of politics. There are still lots of Americans who disbelieve in evolution and climate change. Believing that Trump saved the economy would be an easy step for them.

If they can shift the "debate" to whether confinement even works in the first place, then they can make it purely about political preference. I think he will get away with this TBH.

I spoke to someone with an American friend who told them just last week, that Coronavirus was mostly made up to hurt Trump. Nothing is beyond Americans ability to believe. They tend to be nice people as individuals, but as a nation they're absolute dopes.

Fox news is right now giving airtime to the Texan guy who says he, and most older people, would rather die than risk the economy deteriorating.

Trump worries US will see 'suicides by the thousands' if coronavirus devastates economy

This link shows where Fox News is going to present to its viewers

Water John

Strangely I think mental health will improve over all with with all of us stepping off the rat race threadmill for a time.

The mortality rate is something Trump will not be able to hide from. Just put that alongside a loop playing Trish Regan's segment of it being a Democratic hoax to undermine Trump.

El_Duderino 09

Water John wrote: »

Strangely I think mental health will improve over all with with all of us stepping off the rat race threadmill for a time.

The mortality rate is something Trump will not be able to hide from. Just put that alongside a loop playing Trish Regan's segment of it being a Democratic hoax to undermine Trump.

There will be suicides and other consequences of social isolation - there would have been suicides and negative outcomes anyway but they can spin them as being the result of lockdowns and people losing money through lost business. I gather Trump is drawing on images of people throwing themselves out of windows during the great depression.

Like everything else, supporters of trump will say he's right, opponents will say he's wrong and it will probably have very little impact one way or the other come the election in November

Rjd2

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/

Biden to important to be investigated for a MeToo accusation. No insults please. There have been plenty of warnings.

serfboard

Rjd2 wrote: »

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/
Biden to important to be investigated for a MeToo accusation. SNIP.

Thanks for sharing the story.

A woman who was a staffer in Biden's Senate office, says Biden acted inappropriately toward her. She asks for help from:

the organization Time’s Up, established in the wake of the #MeToo movement to help survivors tell their stories.

The Time’s Up Legal Defense Fund ... was launched in December 2017 and was the most successful GoFundMe in the site’s history, raising more than $24 million. Among the accusers backed so far by Time’s Up are some of those assaulted by Harvey Weinstein, as well scores of others ... The group has committed more than $10 million toward funding cases.
...
[In] February, she learned from a new conversation with Time’s Up ... that no assistance could be provided because the person she was accusing, Biden, was a candidate for federal office, and assisting a case against him could jeopardize the organization’s nonprofit status.

This seems bizarre. So if Harvey Weinstein had run for federal office, they wouldn't have assisted in the case against him?

Not too bizarre, though, when you read this:

The public relations firm that works on behalf of the Time’s Up Legal Defense Fund is SKDKnickerbocker, whose managing director, Anita Dunn, is the top adviser to Biden’s presidential campaign.

Foxtrol

serfboard wrote: »

Thanks for sharing the story.

A woman who was a staffer in Biden's Senate office, says Biden acted inappropriately toward her. She asks for help from:
This seems bizarre. So if Harvey Weinstein had run for federal office, they wouldn't have assisted in the case against him?

It makes sense, as it opens up a risk of it being used as a political mudslinging weapon, just like Rjd2 has here.

Not too bizarre, though, when you read this:

So you think companies base their decision on who their PR firm is loosely connected to? To continue your ridiculous comparison, if Harvey Weinstein had a connection with the MD of their PR firm, you're saying you believe the group wouldn't have supported them. You clearly have a very low opinion of the group that has helped a lot of people.

duploelabs

serfboard wrote: »

Thanks for sharing the story.

A woman who was a staffer in Biden's Senate office, says Biden acted inappropriately toward her. She asks for help from:
This seems bizarre. So if Harvey Weinstein had run for federal office, they wouldn't have assisted in the case against him?

Not too bizarre, though, when you read this:

Pretty sure no election candidate can get investigated unless they've Bill Barr's express personal permission, subsequent to the impeachment hearings

serfboard

Foxtrol wrote: »

I'd like to engage in a discussion on details but you just backed up a large scale conspiracy theory with what amounted to 'I know how things work and you don't'.

What large-scale conspiracy theory? I said that Time's Up excuse, that it couldn't assist Biden's former staffer with an allegation against him, becuase "the person she was accusing ... was a candidate for federal office, and assisting a case against him could jeopardize the organization’s nonprofit status" smelled like BS to me. It also smelled like BS to a professor of Tax Law:

As a legal matter, if the group is clear regarding the criteria used as to whom it is taking to court, show that these are long-established neutral criteria, and they are being applied to individuals completely independent of their running for office, it would not be a violation of tax law. Groups are allowed to continue to do what they have always done

The fact that Biden's top adviser handles PR for Time's Up, is pure coincidence, I'm sure.

Foxtrol

serfboard wrote: »

What large-scale conspiracy theory? I said that Time's Up excuse, that it couldn't assist Biden's former staffer with an allegation against him, becuase "the person she was accusing ... was a candidate for federal office, and assisting a case against him could jeopardize the organization’s nonprofit status" smelled like BS to me. It also smelled like BS to a professor of Tax Law:
The fact that Biden's top adviser handles PR for Time's Up, is pure coincidence, I'm sure.

You're claiming a conspiracy across two organizations, likely covering several dozen individuals, to bury an allegation related to the presumptive democratic nominee, all due to pressure by the MD of a vendor. That isn't a small conspiracy to keep under wraps. It is tinfoil hat stuff to believe that a special case was made here for Biden and it wouldn't come out.

There seems to be another huge flaw in the argument of the tax lawyer, it is based on Time's Up being 'clear regarding the criteria used as to whom it is taking to court, show that these are long-established neutral criteria'. If the organization have previously not supported cases against other federal candidates then there cannot be a long-established neutral criteria, they'd be making an exception in this situation to go against Biden.

eagle eye

Should Biden be investigated over this?
If you say he should not then you are every bit as bad as his opponent.

Foxtrol

eagle eye wrote: »

Should Biden be investigated over this?
If you say he should not then you are every bit as bad as his opponent.

I have absolutely no problem with Biden being investigated for any credible allegations, same as Trump, Bernie, or whoever else. I don't see anyone claiming they shouldn't be.

What I have problems with are tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, which seem like the route that Bernie supporters have lowered themselves to again and again recently.

StringerBell

eagle eye wrote: »

Should Biden be investigated over this?
If you say he should not then you are every bit as bad as his opponent.

Any credible accusation should be investigated, into anybody. Course, you will need to get a permission slip from Bill Barr to look into Biden now obviously.

ancapailldorcha

Foxtrol and Serfboard, stop sniping.

Brian?

eagle eye wrote: »

Should Biden be investigated over this?
If you say he should not then you are every bit as bad as his opponent.

Sure. No one said he shouldn't be.

It's a pretty simple proposition.

everlast75

Plenty of arguments here that Biden has cognitive decline and isn't up to taking on Trump. This video from the daily show turns those arguments on their head.

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1242836333871202305?s=09

StringerBell

Bill Maher made a video along the same lines a little while back. Shorter and probably more suited to an attack ad. I'd run them both personally.

StringerBell

Doesn't really address the obvious cognitive function decline in Trump, and I mean it isn't like we were dealing with a genius in the first place.

ancapailldorcha

Don't dump videos here please. This is a discussion forum.

eagle eye

ancapailldorcha wrote:

Don't dump videos here please. This is a discussion forum.

It is as just a response to the video post in the twitter link I quoted. Is it ok to put up the twitter link to videos?

ancapailldorcha

eagle eye wrote: »

It is as just a response to the video post in the twitter link I quoted. Is it ok to put up the twitter link to videos?

That's fine but please don't just link a video as the whole post.

briany

I think Joe Biden would certainly be more presidential than Trump is. It would be harder not to, to be honest. And I also think Biden would seek to be more of a unifier than Trump. Again, it would be harder not to be.

But on a longer term basis, I don't think Biden is going to do much to quell the movement which gave rise to Trump in the first place, if elected. That whole monster would slither underground and perhaps mutate into something even more terrible, if you can imagine that. If you think Trump is as bad as it could get for an American president to be, well A) they also thought that about George W. Bush, and conspiracy theorist radio host, Alex Jones, could decide to run himself one of these days.

serfboard

briany wrote: »

I don't think Biden is going to do much to quell the movement which gave rise to Trump in the first place, if elected.

Exactly right. The corrupt DNC is much better than the corrupt GOP, but they are both still in thrall to their large corporate and wealthy donors.

Citizens United has destroyed America.

eire4

serfboard wrote: »

Exactly right. The corrupt DNC is much better than the corrupt GOP, but they are both still in thrall to their large corporate and wealthy donors.

Citizens United has destroyed America.

Sadly everything you wrote there is true. IMHO the US as it currently stands is no longer a democracy but rather an oligarchy at best but dangerously given how powerful their military and security forces are politically one that leans towards authoritarianism currently.

Water John

Nearer to a kleptocracy with Trump.

Biden has been accused of sexual assault by a former staffer. She sought the aid of Time's Up legal defence fund but they refused to help her establish an investigation, which is a scandal in itself.

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/


Here's an excerpt from the interview that she did with Katie Halper.

https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story

And here's an interview that she did with The Hill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmVUQ7ii3_4

The Nal

Watching the Hillary doc from Hulu, its quite clear the Dems are making the same mistakes this time around.

El_Duderino 09

Deleted User wrote: »

Biden has been accused of sexual assault by a former staffer. She sought the aid of Time's Up legal defence fund but they refused to help her establish an investigation, which is a scandal in itself.

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/


Here's an excerpt from the interview that she did with Katie Halper.

https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story

And here's an interview that she did with The Hill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmVUQ7ii3_4

This is it. I always thing the left and anyone looking for votes from people with principles, is at a disadvantage. Trump fans are Trump fans because they can ignore all the terrible things he has done - or don't care if he did them or maybe even admire him for doing them. I think the "grab them by the pussy" attitude should be enough to make a candidate inviable. But if you appeal to people without principles, then you can get away with that. I think if Joe expressed the same "grab them by the pussy" attitude, he'd be dead in the water.

Accusations are not proof and I never believe anything just because an accusation was made. But accusations like this should be investigated. And the investigation alone would be enough to sink Biden's candidacy. Trump on the other hand is appealing to people who don't seem to care if the accusations against him are true or not.

eagle eye

Wasn't there ten or so women that came forward as regards inappropriate touching and such from Biden?

serfboard

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Trump on the other hand is appealing to people who don't seem to care if the accusations against him are true or not.

We have politicians here that are like that too. Think of Michael Lowry, for example. A single rendition of "them above in Dublin" on your violin (along with a planning permission here, a medical card there), and all is forgiven ...

Brian?

eagle eye wrote: »

Wasn't there ten or so women that came forward as regards inappropriate touching and such from Biden?

Was there? Do you have any proof of that?

briany

The Nal wrote: »

Watching the Hillary doc from Hulu, its quite clear the Dems are making the same mistakes this time around.

It's not really a mistake from the DNC's point of view. Above all, they do not want someone like Bernie Sanders. They'd rather another term of Trump than that. It's either a corporate democrat or nothing.

Foxtrol

briany wrote: »

It's not really a mistake from the DNC's point of view. Above all, they do not want someone like Bernie Sanders. They'd rather another term of Trump than that. It's either a corporate democrat or nothing.

DNC gave Bernie advantages in this race that no other candidate had.

You can come up with all the conspiracy theories you want about the DNC but your issue is with Democrat voters and the biggest issue of all is that Bernie simply is a terrible candidate.

eagle eye

Any of you see Cuomo on tv todau? A late push for him with all the exposure he is getting would be a great move. He'd win by landslide.

Tasfasdf

everlast75 wrote: »

Plenty of arguments here that Biden has cognitive decline and isn't up to taking on Trump. This video from the daily show turns those arguments on their head.

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1242836333871202305?s=09

Seriously!?, this highly edited clip from the daily show(:rolleyes:) really turns those arguments on their head? I mean if that's the standard your setting then everyone is in cognitive decline with enough editing sure.

PyreOfHellfire

Foxtrol wrote: »

DNC gave Bernie advantages in this race that no other candidate had.

You can come up with all the conspiracy theories you want about the DNC but your issue is with Democrat voters and the biggest issue of all is that Bernie simply is a terrible candidate.

Care to give some explaination to that conspiracy theory you just posted?

rossie1977

eagle eye wrote: »

Any of you see Cuomo on tv todau? A late push for him with all the exposure he is getting would be a great move. He'd win by landslide.

Only about 1,600 delegates left to win, simply impossible (barring winning like 90% of remaining) for him to finish higher than third considering the delegates Biden and Sanders have already accumulated

Foxtrol

PyreOfHellfire wrote: »

Care to give some explaination to that conspiracy theory you just posted?

Just because you weren't aware of it and you bought into the Bernie propaganda doesn't make it a conspiracy theory.

Bernie is the only candidate that was involved in setting the rules for the 2020 primary process. It was part of the DNC trying to appease him post 2016.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/time-bernie-sanders-rigged-system-against-himself-n1144361

Brian?

eagle eye wrote: »

Any of you see Cuomo on tv todau? A late push for him with all the exposure he is getting would be a great move. He'd win by landslide.

He needed to declare about 3 months ago.

Water John

In fairness to Cuomo, I'd say he has enough on his plate and is totally focussed on the problem in front of him.

sid waddell

If the DNC was clever, they'd try and persuade Romney or Justin Amash to run as a third party candidate and get Bloomberg to fund them where they could hurt Trump. They're thick as **** though, so they won't do that.

BonnieSituation

rossie1977 wrote: »

Only about 1,600 delegates left to win, simply impossible (barring winning like 90% of remaining) for him to finish higher than third considering the delegates Biden and Sanders have already accumulated

Martin Heinrich has my vote!

eagle eye

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Martin Heinrich has my vote!

Well here is some of Biden's major gaffes and it's not like the one about Trump which was well edited with background music and all that. And guess what, it's much worse than the Trump one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXvwumYE7_s

And this is Martin Heinrich at the time when for me he became an outstanding candidate for POTUS. This is only a short clip, the whole session was just excellent. He completely schooled Sessions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXswE3YvFuk

Now if you can tell me that you trust that Biden is capable of being the President of the United States of America then I think you are delusional. And just so you know, you have never heard me saying that Trump is a good candidate. I'm simply saying he is more capable than Biden. It's not any sort of credit for Trump, just that Biden is an absolutely awful candidate. Trump is an awful candidate too but unfortunately he seems more capable than Biden.

Heinrich showed he is well capable of doing the job when taking on Sessions. If you read up on him you'll find a lot of great stuff but that video is enough to show me that he is a natural born leader.

PyreOfHellfire

Foxtrol wrote: »

Just because you weren't aware of it and you bought into the Bernie propaganda doesn't make it a conspiracy theory.

Bernie is the only candidate that was involved in setting the rules for the 2020 primary process. It was part of the DNC trying to appease him post 2016.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/time-bernie-sanders-rigged-system-against-himself-n1144361

Did you even read the article fully or did you just notice the title and decide it was good enough for you? In fact it, it looks like the editor didn't read it either judging by the mixed messaging and distinct lack of sources for certain claims. Here's some extracts that undermine the author's own point.

"Members of the commission have said that they didn't anticipate a scenario in which several Democratic candidates would be positioned to accumulate significant numbers of delegates, but leaving a front-runner well short of a majority heading into the convention."

Kind of important eh? Leaving aside the lack of named sources, having a plurality of delegates rather than a majority would make the most sense given the crowded field at the time this piece was written wouldn't you say?

"They succeeded, against stiff opposition from party leaders, in eliminating superdelegates — a pool of Democratic officials who could once cast votes at the convention for any candidate of their choosing — from the first round of balloting"

Smart politics by Sanders, not "rigging" by any means. In the 2016 primary Superdelegates actively went against Sanders in certain states he had won. Case in point, Indiana. Sanders won 44-39 against Clinton as per the popular vote YET Clinton received all 7 superdelegates and Bernie got none. So despite winning the popular vote by 4% he received 2 less delegates total.

Now if you want to talk about rigged systems, there you go. Explain that to me please Foxtrol. Why would Sanders want superdelegates deciding that the popular vote was not enough in certain states? Is it "rigging" a system to stop an already rigged system from voting AGAINST the intentions of the general population?

Headshot

I tend to watch Governor Cuomo's press conference every day as it's nice to listen to someone that's competent , doesnt treat the conference as his propaganda conference and generally knows what he's doing

A very impressive politician

Brian?

eagle eye wrote: »

Well here is some of Biden's major gaffes and it's not like the one about Trump which was well edited with background music and all that. And guess what, it's much worse than the Trump one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXvwumYE7_s

And this is Martin Heinrich at the time when for me he became an outstanding candidate for POTUS. This is only a short clip, the whole session was just excellent. He completely schooled Sessions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXswE3YvFuk

Now if you can tell me that you trust that Biden is capable of being the President of the United States of America then I think you are delusional. And just so you know, you have never heard me saying that Trump is a good candidate. I'm simply saying he is more capable than Biden. It's not any sort of credit for Trump, just that Biden is an absolutely awful candidate. Trump is an awful candidate too but unfortunately he seems more capable than Biden.

Heinrich showed he is well capable of doing the job when taking on Sessions. If you read up on him you'll find a lot of great stuff but that video is enough to show me that he is a natural born leader.

You seem to be determined to ignore the reality of the situation. Henrich could have run, but didn't. Of the available candidates, Biden has won more state delegates than anyone else.

Barring a major upset, it'll be Biden v Trump. Talk of anything else is delusional. Even if Biden drops dead, Heinrich won't get the support to run.

Biden is far more able and qualified to be president than Trump. It's delusional to think otherwise.