US Presidential Election 2020

The Nal

duploelabs wrote: »

Citation?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html

Foxtrol

Blueshoe wrote: »

Joe Biden is now under investigation for an alleged sexual assault of a woman back in 1993..
Democratic party under pressure to respond appropriately due to their support of both the metoo and I believe her movements.

Story really starting to gather pace in the Us. Interesting to see if other victims also come forward

It really isn't gathering pace at all in the US, aside from maybe the MAGA/anti-Biden bubble. The NY Times did in-depth investigation and came up with basically nothing. The woman in question filed a police report for the first time last week and didn't name Biden in it as the perpetrator (likely because of the sanction for giving a false statement).

The virus is sucking up all the air time and there are large credibility question marks about it. Can't see it being a needle mover at all in the election, given the quantity and credibility of cases against Trump.

Blueshoe

Foxtrol wrote: »

It really isn't gathering pace at all in the US, aside from maybe the MAGA/anti-Biden bubble. The NY Times did in-depth investigation and came up with basically nothing. The woman in question filed a police report for the first time last week and didn't name Biden in it as the perpetrator (likely because of the sanction for giving a false statement).

The virus is sucking up all the air time and there are large credibility question marks about it. Can't see it being a needle mover at all in the election, given the quantity and credibility of cases against Trump.

https://mediabiasfactcheck-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/?amp&usqp=mq331AQRKAGYAbusm6_Ihtb1qQGwASA%3D&amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fmediabiasfactcheck.com%2Fnew-york-times%2F

NY times is a leftist organisation. I'd wait for AP or Reuters to pick up on the story before seeing of there is anything to it

Itssoeasy

Blueshoe wrote: »

https://mediabiasfactcheck-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/?amp&usqp=mq331AQRKAGYAbusm6_Ihtb1qQGwASA%3D&amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fmediabiasfactcheck.com%2Fnew-york-times%2F

NY times is a leftist organisation. I'd wait for AP or Reuters to pick up on the story before seeing of there is anything to it

So what if the NYT is as you call it leftist. They asked people around both the woman in question and joe Biden and the people they asked cave a mixed picture but nothing substantive.
Btw would it matter if the paper in question was a conservative publication and they found evidence to support the case against Biden ?

Blueshoe

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So what if the NYT is as you call it leftist. They asked people around both the woman in question and joe Biden and the people they asked cave a mixed picture but nothing substantive.
Btw would it matter if the paper in question was a conservative publication and they found evidence to support the case against Biden ?

I don't call it leftist. Media fact and bias checking websites do. American media is biased one way or another. This is no secret. The associated press (AP) and Reuters are supposedly as close to neutral in the their reporting. Oh look

https://apnews.com/d922da60baa91121f4529fe51a0fd55a

Foxtrol

Blueshoe wrote: »

https://mediabiasfactcheck-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/?amp&usqp=mq331AQRKAGYAbusm6_Ihtb1qQGwASA%3D&amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fmediabiasfactcheck.com%2Fnew-york-times%2F

NY times is a leftist organisation. I'd wait for AP or Reuters to pick up on the story before seeing of there is anything to it

The fact that the likes of AP and Reuters haven't ran with it says it all.

None of us were there so can't say it did or didn't happen, but there are several red flags that this isn't credible.

You claimed it is gathering pace in the US, when there is no evidence that it is. More outlets are doing their investigations and coming back with the same thing, at best a he said she said.

Blueshoe

Foxtrol wrote: »

The fact that the likes of AP and Reuters haven't ran with it says it all.

None of us were there so can't say it did or didn't happen, but there are several red flags that this isn't credible.

You claimed it is gathering pace in the US, when there is no evidence that it is. More outlets are doing their investigations and coming back with the same thing, at best a he said she said.

It's gathering pace alright. There's an AP news article about it although the allegation looks a bit flakey

https://apnews.com/d922da60baa91121f4529fe51a0fd55a

Quin_Dub

Blueshoe wrote: »

Joe Biden is now under investigation for an alleged sexual assault of a woman back in 1993..
Democratic party under pressure to respond appropriately due to their support of both the metoo and I believe her movements.

Story really starting to gather pace in the Us. Interesting to see if other victims also come forward

The allegation is from the same woman that accused him of "unwanted contact" last year about when he put his hands on her shoulders.

Her accusation here is that he pinned her against a wall and put his hands inside her underwear and digitally raped her. There have been multiple reports of Biden being a bit "huggy" and overly familiar , but nothing of this kind before.

She never mentioned this sexual assault last year when making the other allegation and so far every one of the people that she said she reported it to have come out and said that they never received any such complaint from her or from anybody else.

Also multiple journalists that interviewed her last year have said that there wasn't even a hint from her then that there was another story to tell..

However every allegation should be investigated thoroughly , but the information available so far sounds a bit off.

eagle eye

Ditch Biden now, Cuomo vaulted in at the last minute, landslide victory in the election and an awful lot of people are very happy.

Blueshoe

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The allegation is from the same woman that accused him of "unwanted contact" last year about when he put his hands on her shoulders.

Her accusation here is that he pinned her against a wall and put his hands inside her underwear and digitally raped her. There have been multiple reports of Biden being a bit "huggy" and overly familiar , but nothing of this kind before.

She never mentioned this sexual assault last year when making the other allegation and so far every one of the people that she said she reported it to have come out and said that they never received any such complaint from her or from anybody else.

Also multiple journalists that interviewed her last year have said that there wasn't even a hint from her then that there was another story to tell..

However every allegation should be investigated thoroughly , but the information available so far sounds a bit off.

Yes the allegation must be investigated thoroughly. Will be interesting to see if any more appear. We have seen it happen many times.

StringerBell

Under investigation?

So Barr signed off on this?

hetuzozaho

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yes the allegation must be investigated thoroughly. Will be interesting to see if any more appear. We have seen it happen many times.

The way things are you'd wonder would it even make any difference considering Trumps list of accusers. What a mess.

The Nal

These types of allegations will last until the election. Its the GOP way nowadays.

Foxtrol

Blueshoe wrote: »

It's gathering pace alright. There's an AP news article about it although the allegation looks a bit flakey

https://apnews.com/d922da60baa91121f4529fe51a0fd55a

Both sources you've pointed to have spent a lot of time investigating and come back that it is a flakey claim, at best is as a he said, she said.

How is that gathering pace? A woman made a claim, it has been investigated by reporters, and they have reported that there is a claim. There’s no where else for it to really go and it is being completely drowned out by the virus.

Foxtrol

StringerBell wrote: »

Under investigation?

So Barr signed off on this?

The woman didn't even put Biden's name in the police report she submitted last week for fear she'd end up being eventually charged with making a false report.

I don't think police or anyone else can conduct an investigation if she refuses to tell them who did it in an interview (again opening herself to false reporting charges).

ancapailldorcha

Eagle Eye banned for trolling.

Quin_Dub

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yes the allegation must be investigated thoroughly. Will be interesting to see if any more appear. We have seen it happen many times.

What's odd here is that this is a totally and completely different kind of allegation than any others.

Up to now , you've had a number of women talk about him hugging them or putting his arm around them etc.

Not one so far has accused him of groping or attempting to kiss them or anything of that nature.

And now you have a woman , who went public last year with a claim that he made her uncomfortable by putting his hands on her shoulders claiming that he physically and sexually assaulted her 23 years ago.

As someone else mentioned she went to the police and lodged a complaint last week about it , but didn't provide Bidens name to them.

In any of the other cases like this throughout the "Me Too" period there has been a similarity in the allegations made against the men.

Every woman that came forward about Harvey Weinstein had a familiar story to tell - He might have gotten further along in his efforts with some over others , but the path he was on was always the same.

This allegation is totally and utterly different to anything else that has been said about Biden up to now.

sid waddell

The Tara Reade allegation against Biden doesn't pass the most basic smell test. And I'm not a Biden fan and wish he wasn't the candidate. What Reade has written about Russia is a massive, massive red flag. These type of allegations are exactly how Russia works, and Trump is in complete hock to Russia.

I said before that were Biden to be the candidate he'd be smeared as a corrupt, senile, communist, paedophile or some such. That's exactly what the Republicans are trying to do and will continue to do.

That would have been the case with Sanders and it would have been the case whoever the Democratic candidate was.

Pizzagate is exactly how the Republicans work, it's their strategy, as a rule.

And like everything else with the Republicans, it's total and utter projection.

Headshot

It's a pity it's to late to have Governor Cuomo on the ticket for the presidential election

I'm watching him at the moment, he really is a class act and doesn't rise to Trumps bait

Blueshoe

sid waddell wrote: »

The Tara Reade allegation against Biden doesn't pass the most basic smell test. And I'm not a Biden fan and wish he wasn't the candidate. What Reade has written about Russia is a massive, massive red flag. These type of allegations are exactly how Russia works, and Trump is in complete hock to Russia.

I said before that were Biden to be the candidate he'd be smeared as a corrupt, senile, communist, paedophile or some such. That's exactly what the Republicans are trying to do and will continue to do.

That would have been the case with Sanders and it would have been the case whoever the Democratic candidate was.

Pizzagate is exactly how the Republicans work, it's their strategy, as a rule.

And like everything else with the Republicans, it's total and utter projection.

Democrats knocked some serious milage out of Trump's grab them by the unit comments.
Months and months of repeating and discussing it. CNN in particular.
Both as bad as each other

Quin_Dub

Blueshoe wrote: »

Democrats knocked some serious milage out of Trump's grab them by the unit comments.
Months and months of repeating and discussing it. CNN in particular.
Both as bad as each other

To be fair - One was a statement actually made by Trump so it's absolutely there to be used.

So far with Biden we have several utterly unproven allegations against Biden
- Ukraine and now this.

If any of them move from unfounded allegation to fact then they can be considered similar to the "Grab em by the P***y" tape.

sid waddell

Foxtrol wrote: »

Both sources you've pointed to have spent a lot of time investigating and come back that it is a flakey claim, at best is as a he said, she said.

How is that gathering pace? A woman made a claim, it has been investigated by reporters, and they have reported that there is a claim. There’s no where else for it to really go and it is being completely drowned out by the virus.

It'll likely go the way Pizzagate went, not taken seriously by anybody with their head screwed on, but heavily promoted by the right-wing media and useful idiots who claim to be on the "left" like Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi, plus the alt-media, mainly on the right but also to an extent on the left.

It'll have a huge amount of bot and troll traffic pushing it online. April isn't the time to watch what happens with this, the election is still nearly seven months off. September and October are likely when it'll be pushed very heavily by those with a vested interest in doing so.

It's the classic trap "story". The more it's pushed by bad faith media, the more the narrative will grow that the so called "liberal" media is "censoring" it and CNN/the New York Times etc. will probably feel blackmailed into treating it as a genuine story. That's the strategy behind it anyway.

sid waddell

Blueshoe wrote: »

Democrats knocked some serious milage out of Trump's grab them by the unit comments.
Months and months of repeating and discussing it. CNN in particular.
Both as bad as each other

I think clued in posters can see exactly the sort of bad faith strategy you're employing here.

everlast75

Maybe if Biden wins the election, the Dems agree to 24 hours for the FBI to conduct an investigation, Kavanaugh style?

Blueshoe

sid waddell wrote: »

I think clued in posters can see exactly the sort of bad faith strategy you're employing here.

Go away out of that. It was in the news for months. Don't even go down that road.

moon2

Blueshoe wrote: »

Go away out of that. It was in the news for months. Don't even go down that road.

Why do you think it was unreasonable to discuss those comments, especially when they were backed by irrefutable evidence?

I would expect any similar allegation with supporting evidence to be discussed similarly. Conversely, allegations which lack supporting evidence should not be given airtime.

I don't understand your "both ad bad as each other" comment in the context where we're comparing unsupported allegations with verified ones.

Blueshoe

moon2 wrote: »

Why do you think it was unreasonable to discuss those comments, especially when they were backed by irrefutable evidence?

I would expect any similar allegation with supporting evidence to be discussed similarly. Conversely, allegations which lack supporting evidence should not be given airtime.

It's not unreasonableeasonable. It was discussed for months and months.

The other poster doesn't want anyone who isn't a democrat fan posting on here. Two different things

My "bad faith strategy" of posting links from media and making comments that the Dems are just as bad as the republicans.

StringerBell

Foxtrol wrote: »

The woman didn't even put Biden's name in the police report she submitted last week for fear she'd end up being eventually charged with making a false report.

I don't think police or anyone else can conduct an investigation if she refuses to tell them who did it in an interview (again opening herself to false reporting charges).

Nobody can launch an investigation into a presidential candidate without Barr's say so regardless, cause that's the word we live in.

Of course this claim sounds false, not to say it is and it along with every other accusation should be investigated to determine their validity and take the appropriate action pending that.

You are correct too though, if she isn't even accusing him when speaking to the police they wouldn't be doing anything anyway.

StringerBell

Blueshoe wrote: »

It's not unreasonableeasonable. It was discussed for months and months.

The other poster doesn't want anyone who isn't a democrat fan posting on here. Two different things

My "bad faith strategy" of posting links from media and making comments that the Dems are just as bad as the republicans.

The issue, as was pointed out was the choice you made.

You had one tape where a man admitted, nay, bragged about sexual assault. It's a confessional moment of public record, his supporters and those who voted for him got over it. I'm sure that's great, somehow, but it isn't comparable to flakey unverified accusations. Unless there is a tape of Biden admitting to sexual assault that has surfaced today? Something that would have torpedoed any other politicians campaign will be talked about considering it had zero ramifications for him. That's unusual and as such newsworthy given the context.

The pee tape would have made a better comparison, use that one next time sure. Trial and error and all that.

Blueshoe

StringerBell wrote: »

The issue, as was pointed out was the choice you made.

You had one tape where a man admitted, nay, bragged about sexual assault. It's a confessional moment of public record, his supporters and those who voted for him got over it. I'm sure that's great, somehow, but it isn't comparable to flakey unverified accusations. Unless there is a tape of Biden admitting to sexual assault that has surfaced today? Something that would have torpedoed any other politicians campaign will be talked about considering it had zero ramifications for him. That's unusual and as such newsworthy given the context.

The pee tape would have made a better comparison, use that one next time sure. Trial and error and all that.

No my point was that it isn't just the republicans who get dirty come election time. Democrats and democrat TV (CNN) ran the story to death. Panels and experts brought in to talk it to death. Over and over.

As I said they are as bad as each other

StringerBell

Blueshoe wrote: »

No my point was that it isn't just the republicans who get dirty come election time. Democrats and democrat TV (CNN) ran the story to death. Panels and experts brought in to talk it to death. Over and over.

As I said they are as bad as each other

Just a poorly made point then?

Like I said, use the pee tape. It makes more sense. Trump admitting to sexual assault and people talking about that doesn't make the both as bad as each other point.

No point in debating whether they are as bad as each other, you have your opinion on that and I don't see a need to change it. Suffice to say I disagree, the GOP and state TV (fox) are far, far better at dirty tactics than the other side because they don't have to worry.

Again, just use the pee tape. It makes your point better not exactly comparable but much better than the grab em by the pussy tape.

Rjd2

Tara Reade like Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, Monica Lewinsky has found out the hard way ,,don't accuse someone powerful in the Dem party of sexual assault or you will be destroyed. MeToo will be reserved for when its politically convenient.

Its going to to be tough the next few months for Reade, some peeps screaming PUTIN@!!!!!!!!! and others such as the NYT carrying water for Biden as that abysmal piece proved on Sunday.

Two senile old men both creditably accused of rape running for president, truly the worst choices America have had in decades.:(

Foxtrol

Rjd2 wrote: »

Tara Reade like Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, Monica Lewinsky has found out the hard way ,,don't accuse someone powerful in the Dem party of sexual assault or you will be destroyed. MeToo will be reserved for when its politically convenient.

Its going to to be tough the next few months for Reade, some peeps screaming PUTIN@!!!!!!!!! and others such as the NYT carrying water for Biden as that abysmal piece proved on Sunday.

Two senile old men both creditably accused of rape running for president, truly the worst choices America have had in decades.:(

Can you please highlight where you're seeing the credibility of the Biden accusation? The woman won't even say it was him in the police report she submitted.

There are more red flags there than I can see in any credibility.

Foxtrol

From his endorsement video, Obama seems like a man that has been tired of holding his tongue. Hopefully a little less 'we go high' this time.

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1250088269502709762?s=20

THE SEQUEL IS FINALLY HERE. OBAMA 2. LET'S GO

Rjd2

Foxtrol wrote: »

Can you please highlight where you're seeing the credibility of the Biden accusation? The woman won't even say it was him in the police report she submitted.

There are more red flags there than I can see in any credibility.

I've read and listened to her speak and I find her believable.

I understand that victim shaming is still a massive issue when it comes to victims,,,predictably Reade has been smeared as a Russian agent, because that’s how mainstream Democrats respond to anything they don’t want to hear.

Biden is also a well known deviant and of course how terribly he handled the Clarence Thomas fiasco.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6

On the police report,,Neither Reade or Biden were named on the public version of the complaint she filed which is understandable.

Is Biden a rapist? We don't know,,but he been a deviant is something that is hard to ignore and this women who had her career stalled and was ignored by mainstream media for so long deserves to be heard.

Professor Moriarty

Rjd2 wrote: »

I've read and listened to her speak and I find her believable.

I understand that victim shaming is still a massive issue when it comes to victims,,,predictably Reade has been smeared as a Russian agent, because that’s how mainstream Democrats respond to anything they don’t want to hear.

Biden is also a well known deviant and of course how terribly he handled the Clarence Thomas fiasco.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6

On the police report,,Neither Reade or Biden were named on the public version of the complaint she filed which is understandable.

Is Biden a rapist? We don't know,,but he been a deviant is something that is hard to ignore and this women who had her career stalled and was ignored by mainstream media for so long deserves to be heard.

What do you think yourself of the accusations listed?

StringerBell

Ah you've read and listened and decided it's credible. That's great, opinions are often diverse things to be sure.

To be called credible I think the bar is a little higher than that though. For example, your credibility will be called into question when you have the facts like not mentioning bidens name, not mentioning this accusation while making an accusation previously.

I'd like to know what you bar for credibility is actually considering what we do know about this one this far.

Rjd2

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

What do you think yourself of the accusations listed?

Honestly?

Don't know.

I am skeptical towards Biden, but he deserves some presumption of innocence like anyone. I think my annoyance is how this has been ignored until the primary race was over and how useless mainstream media has been on it.

That NYT and the post have done themselves no favors whatsoever.

An interview they posted...

I

want to ask about some edits that were made after publication, the deletion of the second half of the sentence: “The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable.” Why did you do that?

DB: Even though a lot of us, including me, had looked at it before the story went into the paper, I think that the campaign thought that the phrasing was awkward and made it look like there were other instances in which he had been accused of sexual misconduct. And that’s not what the sentence was intended to say.

And why not explain that?

DB: We didn’t think it was a factual mistake. I thought it was an awkward phrasing issue that could be read different ways and that it wasn’t something factual we were correcting. So I didn’t think that was necessary.

There’s one other line that jumped out at me, which is: “Filing a false police report may be punishable by a fine and imprisonment.” I’ve just never seen that line in other stories about police reports. And I wondered if that was intended to convey The Times’s skepticism about her claim.

DB: I could read it as the opposite. That we were saying that filing a police report is not a frivolous matter. That’s how I interpreted it.

https://twitter.com/Slade/status/1249327353794265090

https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1249525792406745090

Before someone says "Trump" yes I am aware he has many more accusations aimed at him and are also very creditable.

Biden is clearly a better option than Trump, but ****ing hell its a horror choice.

Professor Moriarty

Rjd2 wrote: »

Honestly?

Don't know.

I am skeptical towards Biden, but he deserves some presumption of innocence like anyone. I think my annoyance is how this has been ignored until the primary race is dead and how useless mainstream media has been on it.

That NYT and the post have done themselves no favors whatsoever.

https://twitter.com/Slade/status/1249327353794265090

https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1249525792406745090

Before someone says "Trump" yes I am aware he has many more accusations aimed at him and are also very creditable.

Biden is clearly a better option than Trump, but ****ing hell its a horror choice.

Well, Biden comes across a little bit creepy maybe. But not in the same solar system as Trump. But you're right, he's the lesser of two evils. I watched Cuomo today and then I thought about Biden and Trump debating.

Water John

When people cannot defend Trump, they are throwing shade on Biden, in the hope of suppressing the Dems vote. Their only way to win.

Rjd2

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Well, Biden comes across a little bit creepy maybe. But not in the same solar system as Trump. But you're right, he's the lesser of two evils. I watched Cuomo today and then I thought about Biden and Trump debating.

Biden as a president will be decent as president to be fair. He will know after the virus that it won't be business as usual and will have to implement seriously progressive policies for the country to heal.

He and the party will be wary of a cynical GOP type candidate in 2024 like Hawley trying to run from the left on economics which should reassure some of those skeptical of him from the left of the party.

sliabh 1956

Good to that result from Wisconsin to day in spite of trumps best efforts

eire4

Water John wrote: »

When people cannot defend Trump, they are throwing shade on Biden, in the hope of suppressing the Dems vote. Their only way to win.

I think as well they will be working a lot of voter suppression, purging voter roles that kind of thing will be on steroids this November I imagine. But there is no doubt that going after Biden with these kinds of allegations and others most likely we have not heard yet will all be part of the playbook for Republicans.

eire4

sliabh 1956 wrote: »

Good to that result from Wisconsin to day in spite of trumps best efforts

The Republicans underhand and reckless behaviour in making people show up to vote last Tuesday looks like it actually back fired on them this time. I did not really think about it at the time but their core voters have a large contingent of older white males one of the most vulnerable groups with this virus so that vote was likely down a lot with some too scared and rightly so to vote. Which likely played a big role in their far right judge losing his seat on the Wisconsin supreme court. Usually low voter turnouts mean Republicans win but this time that seems not to have been the case probably due to older white voters being rightly frightened for their health and not prepared to risk their lives to vote in person.

Foxtrol

Rjd2 wrote: »

I've read and listened to her speak and I find her believable.

I understand that victim shaming is still a massive issue when it comes to victims,,,predictably Reade has been smeared as a Russian agent, because that’s how mainstream Democrats respond to anything they don’t want to hear.

Biden is also a well known deviant and of course how terribly he handled the Clarence Thomas fiasco.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6

On the police report,,Neither Reade or Biden were named on the public version of the complaint she filed which is understandable.

Is Biden a rapist? We don't know,,but he been a deviant is something that is hard to ignore and this women who had her career stalled and was ignored by mainstream media for so long deserves to be heard.

What you call a smear is really just stating facts that you don’t like. Her ties to Russia are clear (despite her attempts to since delete them), she didn’t bother to include this new claim in the ones she made against him last year, she supported his opponent at the time of making this new claim, only 1 of the 5 people she claimed to have told remember it and that person wont go on the record, none of the other staff at the time noted her raising a problem and don’t believe the story makes sense, no other claims of this nature have been made against him, and so far her story has changed 3 times on the reason she left DC (if you want to raise a concern about her career stalling).

It might have happened, you have the right to believe her, but there are so many red flags that without more evidence I don’t see how you can call this credible without believing every accusation that is ever made, no matter the source.

BonnieSituation

Foxtrol wrote: »

What you call a smear is really just stating facts that you don’t like. Her ties to Russia are clear (despite her attempts to since delete them), she didn’t bother to include this new claim in the ones she made against him last year, she supported his opponent at the time of making this new claim, only 1 of the 5 people she claimed to have told remember it and that person wont go on the record, none of the other staff at the time noted her raising a problem and don’t believe the story makes sense, no other claims of this nature have been made against him, and so far her story has changed 3 times on the reason she left DC (if you want to raise a concern about her career stalling).

It might have happened, you have the right to believe her, but there are so many red flags that without more evidence I don’t see how you can call this credible without believing every accusation that is ever made, no matter the source.

Thank you.

You have made my point more eloquently than I ever could.

BonnieSituation

Interesting clip from Obama today. Only just getting to see it.

He compliments Bernie in it. I definitely see Joe having Bernie involved somewhere.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?471214-1/president-obama-endorses-joe-bidens-presidential-bid

Obama talks about Bernie at the "second star".

StringerBell

Standard attempt to unite the party behind the nominee.

I really hope they get the act together and get this clown car of an administration out the door.

Unite behind the common messages remove the stain. Fight amongst yourselves over policy of course and push for what you believe in but get rid of the cancer before working on the hip replacement.

Danzy

eire4 wrote: »

I think as well they will be working a lot of voter suppression, purging voter roles that kind of thing will be on steroids this November I imagine. But there is no doubt that going after Biden with these kinds of allegations and others most likely we have not heard yet will all be part of the playbook for Republicans.

Talk about Biden being a Perv have been around for decades, it can't be proven, that's all that counts in politics.

If it could he would never have been picked for VP.