Dirty carpet in new rental property

Fol20

Captain Flaps wrote: »

Jesus. More power to you if it's allowed you to get the right tenants but if I was asked for bank statements you can jog right on.

I understand payslips - you can see that I'm earning a regular wage each month, that's fine. Combing through statements as another poster claims to do looking at minimum credit card repayments is a vile invasion of privacy though.

It isn’t a violation of privacy if the tenants provide it. You have the right to decline however this can jeopardize your chances of getting the place so depending on your situation it’s up to yourself. Personally, I’m more interested in payslip/yearly salary to check out affordability but again if people decline, I would normally just look elsewhere

Captain Flaps

I totally understand, and I believe payslip is a fair way to ascertain affordability. I just don't see any reason to give a landlord my bank statement. What info can you glean from that that you can't from my payslip?

Sleeper12

handlemaster wrote:

Again making it up as you go along. Never said it was acceptable to rent a dirty place. The OP hasnt put up photos of this supposed dirty carpet but has had time to start a posting in askaboutmoney for the same issue.

In all of your posts you have insisted that property was viewed & lease signed so no clean carpets

Fol20 wrote:

Yes your right, more than likely we would net a max of 50pc of that rent arrears but it’s still our money and technically it’s stealing as they have received a service and not paid for it. More than likely the value wouldn’t be 3k and can be up to a years rent so you could be talking 20knpotentially in Dublin. The value doesn’t matter here though. Even if it’s just 100e we’re due. It’s still a service we provided so again, just going back to the business aspect I mentioned earlier, you don’t seem to care too much that your not taking in all the profit your due.

I'm part of a plumbing group on Facebook. Some members have installed entire heating system and can't get paid. Shops build insurance "slippage" (shoplifting) into their prices. People default on loans. Only a few months ago I installed a shower in Balbriggan. Landlord was nice as pie till it came to paying. She thought she'd be clever and not answer the phone to me or reply to texts and emails. After a few weeks of getting nowhere I had to go back and take my property back. Every business in the world has issues but landlords are the only ones that seem to moan about them constantly. You need to pick yourself up and move on

Captain Flaps wrote:

Jesus. More power to you if it's allowed you to get the right tenants but if I was asked for bank statements you can jog right on.

You are entitled to ask for anything you want. If they don't want to give bank & card statements then I would just move on. There's 10 more in the queue willing to prove that they are good tenants. Bank & card statements can have the account number blanked out. All I need is name and address. Anyone paying the minimum on a credit card each month is living on expensive credit and is likely not to be a good tenant. I stay clear of these altogether

Also I get phone numbers of last few landlords. If the tenant was trouble free for the last three years it's unlikely that they will be trouble for me.

As George Hook loves to say we need to take responsibility ourselves and protect ourselves

davindub

Fol20 wrote: »

Old diesel wrote: »

Is the carpet actually dirty?????.

If you are going to charge 1500 a month then not cleaning the carpet properly prior the tenant moving in is taking the urine imo.

If it was me - and the carpet was GENUINELY dirty I'd be full of apologies and making it right straight away.

If you want 1500 a month - fair play to you - but a certain standard should be expected by a normal person moving in.

When you rent or lease a car you expect it to arrive to you in clean condition.

That is the whole point of viewing a place, you inspect it, and if your not happy about anything, you ask if it can be addressed before they move in. Then if they say yes, it can be done, agree to move in, if they say, well there’s plenty more fish in the area. Iv declined some requests and accepted others but if you move in and your not happy with something that would have clearly been visible on viewing the place, that’s on you then.

I disagree, renting is not sold as seen but rather a mutual effort to maintain the property.

Simple rule of thumb if the tenant didnt cause the issue, dont make them responsible for it. Regardless of who has rights etc, its the right thing to do.

No point giving out about LL rights when your actions are unreasonable.

10pennymixup

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You believe that the RTB is stacked in favour of the tenant.
You belittle a poster with the above comment
You do not like RTB
What I don't understand is first you say RTB is stacked in favour of the tenant. Then you say you don't like RTB. Then you say that you have won every time with the RTB. Can you not see you are not making sense?
You've had a few bad tenants. Most of us learn from this & improve our screening process. The brothel thing can happen to anyone. They usually don't last long and in fairness these are usually well kept.
Since the early 90s I've gotten at least two months rent deposit. I've had bank statements and references from employers. We phone employers & double check. I've always been happy having a property empty longer & get the right tenant. I never show a property while the old tenants are still there. I like one party to leave & get the premises looking good before I show it. If I have to get cleaners in then it comes out of the last guy deposit. I have the same colour paint in all of the properties. I have a guy goes in between letting to paint. Even if it was done 12 months ago he'll spend an hour or so touching up scuff marks. It pays for itself as I rarely have to do a full paint job. It also leaves a freshly painted smell for when showing the property. Same guy checks everything. Tightens any loose screws, kitchen cabinets, lockers, drawers etc. The property is left in such a way that any damage has to be paid for. There is no wear & tear when everything is put right before every letting.

So that's one of my two questions answered eventually, you're a LL. A by the book, professional, consummate LL............yet still somehow has lost at the RTB. How is it that you lost, you do everything properly and according to you there is no bias, that the law and process is balanced? Can't you see that you losing contradicts your position?

I said that the RTA is pro tenant and the RTB interpretation even more so. Winning a RTB adjudication as a LL does not automatically mean both aren't biased as you maintain, it can mean that the LL's case is on occasion so watertight they win the adjudication.

But this could be after waiting in excess of a further 6 months without rent as the house was being thrashed, for a hearing. Then waiting for a decision, then another wait to see will there be an appeal, then wait for an appeal to be heard, then possibly more appeals, then seek an enforcement in the circuit court,then engage the sherriff. Put the wrong date down and back to the start. A process sometimes measured in years rather than weeks all the time losing and costing large sums of money, perhaps even as much as the LL's own home.

It is absurd to propose having a adjudication go a LL's way means there is unbiased balance in the legislative process, and it's not my fault or responsibility that you can't see that.

And I do find an opinion such as the one of the poster I originally quoted pathetic. They found the fact that the RTB and legislation being one sided in favour of the tenant an "absolutely brilliant thing", I believe that it's a sad and pitiful affair that someone agrees that there is an imbalance, and sees no issue using this imbalance to its fullest and to their advantage.

The meaning of words in a post are important and your choice in "Most of us learn from this & improve our screening process. The brothel thing can happen to anyone. They usually don't last long and in fairness these are usually well kept. " I consider condescending.

In my one experience years ago of a vetted tenant disappearing and sex workers and pimps taking over, I found it neither short lasting nor well kept and threats to me and my daughters dissuaded me from bringing a paltry RTB case that would never achieve any good against a person that could not be found. But as you seem more well versed on the subject, enough to make such a comment anyway, I'll concede to you on that one.:rolleyes:

Let me be clear, I have brought two cases to the RTB for adjudication which both went in my favour. Both after the tenants were gone, never to terminate a tenancy, only for arrears and damages. Both were pointless, an exercise not to be repeated. RtA2004 was meant to be an instrument to help resolve issues between parties simply and fairly, that did not happen. Subsequent amendments finished that idea off. I consider myself lucky not to have suffered at the hands of a non paying destructive tenant that knew how to play the system, or one whom had received advice from others on how to play it.

I note that you have still not answered the other of my two questions, asked twice as concisely as I could to hopefully induce as answer. The cases you won.......how much? I'm taking your avoidance to answer after being asked twice, as the answer.

Your posts are somewhat deflective, as you failed twice to answer how much you received as the end result of a positive RTB decision. Deflective posts tainted by pontification. I'm not saying that your letting preparation and vetting isn't justified or required, and that your insistence that everyone of your properties is handed over in a clean maintained state is wrong. I have always done things similarly, but I don't bang on about it repeatedly as you have throughout this thread.

I'm at about 5/10 years ahead of you in the rental business, and have never been taken to the RTB (or IIRC district court back then) by a tenant. I'm getting out of the business now mainly because of the amendments over the last few years to the tenancy act but also because what is coming down the line.

Jan O'Sullivan's proposal to stop your preferred practise of taking more than one months security deposit may soon reverse your assertion that the legislation/ rtb is not pro tenant. Maybe you'll change your mind when you see your asset devalued because of limited yield due yours being a rent controlled property making it unattractive for a potential investor that could instead choose a new build/ previously unrented property. If you're in an RPZ this has already happened, if not in a RPZ you soon will be they're trying to make the whole country an RPZ. What if they decide that you will not be able to sell your asset to anyone but another LL with the tenant in situ, thus devaluing your hard earned asset by excluding owner occupiers from the sales process?

Nothing you have posted, disproves my original point, mainly the bias in the amendments to RTA2004, RTB mediation/ adjudication, and the legislative process. You're entitled to your opinion and I feel anything more I say will not change that or will escalate this to somewhere I don't need to go, but I reckon time itself will change your opinion for you.

Sleeper12

Captain Flaps wrote:

I totally understand, and I believe payslip is a fair way to ascertain affordability. I just don't see any reason to give a landlord my bank statement. What info can you glean from that that you can't from my payslip?

If you are 5k overdrawn or only paying the credit card interest each month then you are a bad risk.

If you offer nice clean accommodation with nice things (not 20 year old hand-me-downs from the big house) plenty of people who say they won't give statements change their minds for the chance to live in a nicer place

handlemaster

Sleeper12 wrote: »

handlemaster wrote:

Again making it up as you go along. Never said it was acceptable to rent a dirty place. The OP hasnt put up photos of this supposed dirty carpet but has had time to start a posting in askaboutmoney for the same issue.

In all of your posts you have insisted that property was viewed & lease signed so no clean carpets

Fol20 wrote:

Yes your right, more than likely we would net a max of 50pc of that rent arrears but it’s still our money and technically it’s stealing as they have received a service and not paid for it. More than likely the value wouldn’t be 3k and can be up to a years rent so you could be talking 20knpotentially in Dublin. The value doesn’t matter here though. Even if it’s just 100e we’re due. It’s still a service we provided so again, just going back to the business aspect I mentioned earlier, you don’t seem to care too much that your not taking in all the profit your due.

I'm part of a plumbing group on Facebook. Some members have installed entire heating system and can't get paid. Shops build insurance "slippage" (shoplifting) into their prices. People default on loans. Only a few months ago I installed a shower in Balbriggan. Landlord was nice as pie till it came to paying. She thought she'd be clever and not answer the phone to me or reply to texts and emails. After a few weeks of getting nowhere I had to go back and take my property back. Every business in the world has issues but landlords are the only ones that seem to moan about them constantly. You need to pick yourself up and move on

Captain Flaps wrote:

Jesus. More power to you if it's allowed you to get the right tenants but if I was asked for bank statements you can jog right on.

You are entitled to ask for anything you want. If they don't want to give bank & card statements then I would just move on. There's 10 more in the queue willing to prove that they are good tenants. Bank & card statements can have the account number blanked out. All I need is name and address. Anyone paying the minimum on a credit card each month is living on expensive credit and is likely not to be a good tenant. I stay clear of these altogether

Also I get phone numbers of last few landlords. If the tenant was trouble free for the last three years it's unlikely that they will be trouble for me.



Its one side saying carpet is dirty. Who signed a contract to say all was fine. Again never said dirt should be included. Thats your assumption.

Captain Flaps

Sleeper12 wrote: »

If you are 5k overdrawn or only paying the credit card interest each month then you are a bad risk.

If you offer nice clean accommodation with nice things (not 20 year old hand-me-downs from the big house) plenty of people who say they won't give statements change their minds for the chance to live in a nicer place

You're not a lending institution; if I'm 5k overdrawn but I'm making my payments each month and have a solid wage and a pile of landlord references, I think it's very unfair/intrusive to ask for statements. Just my 2 cents on that but I've never been asked and a straw poll in the office here suggests the others I work with would consider this abnormal.

Sleeper12

10pennymixup wrote:

So that's one of my two questions answered eventually, you're a LL. A by the book, professional, consummate LL............yet still somehow has lost at the RTB. How is it that you lost, you do everything properly and according to you there is no bias, that the law and process is balanced? Can't you see that you losing contradicts your position?

You win & lose at everything throughout life. Sometimes a jud can fall in favour of someone else not a big deal. As it turns out I lost at the RTB as a witness for another landlord but that's neither here nor there. People can lie at these things.

I have been to the small claims court before. Back in the boom I had a property maintenance company. What ever tradesmen you needed we had.

A lady in her 60's, a neighbour belive it or not wanted a bathroom refit but didn't want to retile. Not the easiest thing in the world but I told her if she got everything in the same measurements we could make it work. She got a low profile shower tray a couple inches shorter than the original. I explained that we couldn't just pop her old tiles back on. She said that she would be happy with a different colour on the bottom row. She wanted mosaic but her floor was off about an inch along the length of the tray. Not wanting to retile the floor there was no way to level the floor so I told her that it can't be mosaic. She'd lose a tile from one end of the tray to the other.
She took my advice and we patched up with a 6 inch tile.

A year later I'm summoned to the small claims court. Turns out she got mosaic after we left the job. I was being sued because the new tray was not level. Originally I went to great lengths to explain all of this to her when pricing the job. The only way to level the tray was to level up the floor and retile. She denied all of this. Lied through her teeth. Who is the judge going to believe? Little old pensioner or the contractors? I had to pay €500.

You just pick yourself up and move on. After 7000 posts I've never told that story here on boards.ie. I don't dwell on the bad things. They happen to everyone. I said earlier that I rarely comment on the rental property threads and the reason for that is they make sad reading with landlords recanting their horror stories every chance they get. Life isn't perfect. Bad things happen us all. Why not tell stories about the great tenants that you must have had over the years.

My opinion more than half of landlords are bad to some degree but less than 10 percent of tenants are bad.

Sleeper12

Captain Flaps wrote: »

You're not a lending institution; if I'm 5k overdrawn but I'm making my payments each month and have a solid wage and a pile of landlord references, I think it's very unfair/intrusive to ask for statements. Just my 2 cents on that but I've never been asked and a straw poll in the office here suggests the others I work with would consider this abnormal.

You want to rent a property off me worth up to half a million off me? That's a lot of trust imo. You get a tradesman at your door within 24 hours? Sometimes the same day?Then you need to show statements. You even get clean carpets.



If you want to rent where the landlord tries to repair things & all the grief that comes with that. Old furniture etc. don't show your statements & move on. Choice is yours

10pennymixup

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You win & lose at everything throughout life. Sometimes a jud can fall in favour of someone else not a big deal. As it turns out I lost at the RTB as a witness for another landlord but that's neither here nor there...................................................................................................................half of landlords are bad to some degree but less than 10 percent of tenants are bad.

What if anything has this to do with your assertion that there is no bias in the legislation and system?

All you have done here is completely back track on how many cases and in which manner you lost at the RTB. That coupled with your turn off phrase and deflective narrative, makes me doubt the veracity of anything you say.

The rest of the post is a ramble that belongs in the plumbing or consumer issues forum, if they'd allow it.

I'm out, I've better things to do than read the likes of this. It reminds me of a Grandpa Simpson story.

handlemaster

Captain Flaps wrote: »

Sleeper12 wrote: »

If you are 5k overdrawn or only paying the credit card interest each month then you are a bad risk.

If you offer nice clean accommodation with nice things (not 20 year old hand-me-downs from the big house) plenty of people who say they won't give statements change their minds for the chance to live in a nicer place

You're not a lending institution; if I'm 5k overdrawn but I'm making my payments each month and have a solid wage and a pile of landlord references, I think it's very unfair/intrusive to ask for statements. Just my 2 cents on that but I've never been asked and a straw poll in the office here suggests the others I work with would consider this abnormal.

The landlord has very little come back with a rental property if the tenant isnt honest. For example you give more information renting a car and that company has insurance / prepayment conditions that are enforcible. With other eu contries its normal to give bank statements, LL just need to confirm you can afford to pay. LL references from trouble tenants are the best as the LL wants them to move out. They really mean nothing

Sleeper12

10pennymixup wrote:

What if anything has this to do with your assertion that there is no bias in the legislation and system?

10pennymixup wrote:

All you have done here is completely back track on how many cases and in which manner you lost at the RTB. That coupled with your turn off phrase and deflective narrative, makes me doubt the veracity of anything you say.

You are determined to start an argument and I don't want to partake. Your tone is aggressive.

Why don't you read my posts & you will see that what RTB case I lost.

The op question is about dirty carpets and we are getting miles away from that

Captain Flaps

handlemaster wrote: »

The landlord has very little come back with a rental property if the tenant isnt honest. For example you give more information renting a car and that company has insurance / prepayment conditions that are enforcible. With other eu contries its normal to give bank statements, LL just need to confirm you can afford to pay. LL references from trouble tenants are the best as the LL wants them to move out. They really mean nothing

I appreciate that, and I have no doubt that there are as many trouble tenants as dodgy landlords. FWIW I've never given a reference from a current landlord no more than I've given a reference from a current employer - I want my next move secured before I give intention to leave. If I've always paid my rent on time and I've a steady income coming in then that should suffice, I think seeking bank statements is an unnecessary power move from landlords who have the pick of the litter. I mean no disrespect but I see that as a bit of an abuse. I've dealt with private landlords and agencies and have always provided work and prior landlord references, bank statements and (in the case of the agency) PPS no. I've never been turned down an apartment I applied for.

Graces7

Fol20 wrote: »

If the house is that bad, why does she not move on. Security and privacy are very important but I could never live in a damp environment, your health is the most important thing of all and I don’t get why she as lived there for 3 years

Very hard to find affordable rentals is why

Graces7

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You are determined to start an argument and I don't want to partake. Your tone is aggressive.

Why don't you read my posts & you will see that what RTB case I lost.

The op question is about dirty carpets and we are getting miles away from that

We once made a landlord remove a filthy carpet and put down laminate; even sourced it on special offer.. Was easier 12 years ago to do that than it is now.

handlemaster

Captain Flaps wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

The landlord has very little come back with a rental property if the tenant isnt honest. For example you give more information renting a car and that company has insurance / prepayment conditions that are enforcible. With other eu contries its normal to give bank statements, LL just need to confirm you can afford to pay. LL references from trouble tenants are the best as the LL wants them to move out. They really mean nothing

I appreciate that, and I have no doubt that there are as many trouble tenants as dodgy landlords. FWIW I've never given a reference from a current landlord no more than I've given a reference from a current employer - I want my next move secured before I give intention to leave. If I've always paid my rent on time and I've a steady income coming in then that should suffice, I think seeking bank statements is an unnecessary power move from landlords who have the pick of the litter. I mean no disrespect but I see that as a bit of an abuse. I've dealt with private landlords and agencies and have always provided work and prior landlord references, bank statements and (in the case of the agency) PPS no. I've never been turned down an apartment I applied for.

Theres no proof you have done any of what you say.

Captain Flaps

handlemaster wrote: »

Theres no proof you have done any of what you say.

I have payslips for 3-6 months showing steady salary, this can be verified by calling my employer (ref provided).

I have printed landlord references which can be verified with a phonecall if need be. I can provide the previous addresses if needed.

If either of the above isn't sufficient due to the possibility of forgery I'm not sure what use a bank statement will be to you unless you want my login for online banking. Honestly, what 'proof' can I give you that you can actually feel confident with?

Sleeper12

Captain Flaps wrote: »

I have payslips for 3-6 months showing steady salary, this can be verified by calling my employer (ref provided).

I have printed landlord references which can be verified with a phonecall if need be. I can provide the previous addresses if needed.

If either of the above isn't sufficient due to the possibility of forgery I'm not sure what use a bank statement will be to you unless you want my login for online banking. Honestly, what 'proof' can I give you that you can actually feel confident with?

I don't doubt that you are an honest person but here's the thing, you can be in a great job & on great money but at the same time you can be strung out on coke spending more than you earn. Three months bank & credit card statements tell me if you are living on real money or surviving day by day on an overdraft & credit cards.


There's nothing forcing you to give statements. It's your choice. There's nothing unusual about showing bank statements. I have to show them to an estate agent as a cash buyer before my bid is considered . I black out my account number & give the statements as requested. I see it as normal.

handlemaster

Captain Flaps wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

Theres no proof you have done any of what you say.

I have payslips for 3-6 months showing steady salary, this can be verified by calling my employer (ref provided).

I have printed landlord references which can be verified with a phonecall if need be. I can provide the previous addresses if needed.

If either of the above isn't sufficient due to the possibility of forgery I'm not sure what use a bank statement will be to you unless you want my login for online banking. Honestly, what 'proof' can I give you that you can actually feel confident with?

Bank slips baby. . Seriously do you want the place or not.

Fol20

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I don't doubt that you are an honest person but here's the thing, you can be in a great job & on great money but at the same time you can be strung out on coke spending more than you earn. Three months bank & credit card statements tell me if you are living on real money or surviving day by day on an overdraft & credit cards.


There's nothing forcing you to give statements. It's your choice. There's nothing unusual about showing bank statements. I have to show them to an estate agent as a cash buyer before my bid is considered . I black out my account number & give the statements as requested. I see it as normal.

You dont have to show ea your bank statement, they also accept headed letters from solicitors normally as well so it isnt mandatory and at least from my experience, the vast majority wouldnt ask for a bank statement.

Sleeper12

Fol20 wrote:

You dont have to show ea your bank statement, they also accept headed letters from solicitors normally as well so it isnt mandatory and at least from my experience, the vast majority wouldnt ask for a bank statement.

I've had plenty over the last 5 years. No statement no bid excepted. Not that it really mattered because as far as commercial property is concerned they really wanted 20 percent or more than the asking price.

Fol20

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I've had plenty over the last 5 years. No statement no bid excepted. Not that it really mattered because as far as commercial property is concerned they really wanted 20 percent or more than the asking price.

I used a headed letter to get me past that however it was for residential instead of commercial so it might be a bit different.

Browney7

handlemaster wrote: »

Bank slips baby. . Seriously do you want the place or not.

Any good fraudster/criminal masquerading as a legit tenant trying to obtain a property to establish a growhouse or dubious establishment could falsify a bank statement with pdf editing software.

Sleeper12

Browney7 wrote:

Any good fraudster/criminal masquerading as a legit tenant trying to obtain a property to establish a growhouse or dubious establishment could falsify a bank statement with pdf editing software.

All landlords can do is protect themselves as best as they can. Bank statements work very well imo but not foolproof. Nothing is fool-proof. Work as previous address reference can be falsified too. We still ask for these details.

Captain Flaps

Went for a mortgage, I had no problem providing bank statements to a bank. I would take issue with showing them to a private citizen, and if that meant I lost out on the property so be it. I don't need johnny landlord pouring through my spending habits to see if I'm saving enough money to meet his arbitrary satisfactory target. Again, I've never come across this and I think it's just an unnecessary power move, but then again some of the landlords in this thread have come across pretty sanctimonious and difficult so I can't imagine you're representative of the wider market.

Sleeper12

Captain Flaps wrote: »

Went for a mortgage, I had no problem providing bank statements to a bank. I would take issue with showing them to a private citizen, and if that meant I lost out on the property so be it. I don't need johnny landlord pouring through my spending habits to see if I'm saving enough money to meet his arbitrary satisfactory target. Again, I've never come across this and I think it's just an unnecessary power move, but then again some of the landlords in this thread have come across pretty sanctimonious and difficult so I can't imagine you're representative of the wider market.

Again no one has to provide statements if they don't want to however as you have read here there are great differences in the standards of different landlord. Some landlords come around to try repair things themselves. Some landlords send qualified tradesmen to repair things. Some landlords take days or weeks to repair something. Some landlords have it repaired in 24 hours 6 days a week. Many landlords don't service the boiler each year or opt for the 39 euro 10 minute special when a proper service takes 40 minutes or so. Some landlords wont clean a dirty carpet even though you haven't even moved in yet because you inspected the property & signed the lease. Some landlords would be mortified that they missed the dirty carpet & would get it cleaned straight away.


Standards. That's what it comes down to. What is your quality of life going to be while you live in this landlords property. Old furniture out of a skip or a freshly painted place with good quality furniture. There are plenty of landlords looking for bank statements. Some only starting to do it now & others getting bank statements for decades.


It's all down to personal choice. There is nothing wrong with saying no to statements & walking away.

Captain Flaps

Again I think it's disingenuous to suggest that a higher level of landlord scrutiny = higher quality landlord. My most recent rental was with an agency who didn't ask for bank statements, were super responsive dealing with issues I raised related to the building rather than my apartment (the management company wouldn't engage with tenants) and sorted out a plumbing problem the day after I contacted them, sending a qualified tradesman etc. I can appreciate why you might feel better seeing bank statements but from my POV they contain info which is frankly none of my landlord's concern and tell you nothing that you should need to know to gauge my suitability as a tenant.

Sleeper12

There's no beating a good agency imo.

There are tell signs of a good or bad landlord when you look at a property. Look out for yellow door frames and skirting. These won't have seen white paint in 15 y or more. Look out for badly painted. This is a sign that the landlord maintain the property themselves. Look under rugs. If you see the shape of the iron burnt into the carpet you possibly have a landlord that took the cost of the a new carpet out of someone's deposit and bought a 10 euro rug instead, pocketing the balance. Anything with legs shouldn't wabble. Table, coffee table locker etc, if they wabble it's past its sell by date, might break easy and you'll be blamed.

There's lots of ways to sniff out a cheap landlord

ann0

Fol20 wrote: »

If the house is that bad, why does she not move on. Security and privacy are very important but I could never live in a damp environment, your health is the most important thing of all and I don’t get why she as lived there for 3 years

she has tried to rent other places but can't get anything in her price range she gets the same reply each time. sorry you were not successful .and some places are just way to expensive.

Graces7

ann0 wrote: »

she has tried to rent other places but can't get anything in her price range she gets the same reply each time. sorry you were not successful .and some places are just way to expensive.

It is becoming almost impossible these days to find a decent rental within range.

I spent months last year on that quest...Was getting resigned to living in my car when this place came up.

Things like new paint, decent furniture etc are sheer luxuries for many. Roof over head is the main thing.

Sleeper12

Graces7 wrote:

Things like new paint, decent furniture etc are sheer luxuries for many. Roof over head is the main thing.

Isn't that shocking in a modern Ireland and you'll pay top dollar for the bare minimum.

handlemaster

Any word from.OP ? Has the LL been contacted yet with a list of demands ? Tenancy I assume is 1st august. Dont keep us waiting for an update

Sleeper12

handlemaster wrote:

Any word from.OP ? Has the LL been contacted yet with a list of demands ? Tenancy I assume is 1st august. Dont keep us waiting for an update

The way I read the opening post I see a landlord asking but it is vague enough to equally be a tenant.

I'd love to know if the carpet was actually dirty?

Graces7

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Isn't that shocking in a modern Ireland and you'll pay top dollar for the bare minimum.

Yep.. and are relieved to get it. What is, is and no use wasting energy on it..

At the house where we made him take the carpet up we also made him remove the sofa which was unspeakably filthy and we got small armchairs instead from V de P.

As I said earlier.that was 12 years ago... Things were less stressful then.

Graces7

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The way I read the opening post I see a landlord asking but it is vague enough to equally be a tenant.

I'd love to know if the carpet was actually dirty?

Oh I believe it. Seen too many rental carpets not to. Always a relief to find laminate or lino. Carpets are bad hygiene wise anyways.

Place before this; upstairs was bare planks with gaps between; kept losing pens and knitting needles through them!

Iwouldinmesack

Graces7 wrote: »

Yep.. and are relieved to get it. What is, is and no use wasting energy on it..

At the house where we made him take the carpet up we also made him remove the sofa which was unspeakably filthy and we got small armchairs instead from V de P.

As I said earlier.that was 12 years ago... Things were less stressful then.

How much out of your own pocket are you actually paying per month on rent? Without any assistance such as hap or rent allowance or whatever? If your paying over 1000 plus like many of us are doing youd complain about dirty walls and carpets. Id expect to be able to eat me dinner off them when i move in for that kind of money.

Lots of landlords are taking the piss now to be honest. They know people are desperate.

Sleeper12

Graces7 wrote:

Oh I believe it. Seen too many rental carpets not to. Always a relief to find laminate or lino. Carpets are bad hygiene wise anyways.

I've seen more than my fair share too but I have also seen some tenants say its dirty and really a good hoovering would do it. To be fair I wouldn't want to cast judgement till op comes back on it.

Captain Flaps

handlemaster wrote: »

Any word from.OP ? Has the LL been contacted yet with a list of demands ? Tenancy I assume is 1st august. Dont keep us waiting for an update

Who hurt you

ann0

Graces7 wrote: »

It is becoming almost impossible these days to find a decent rental within range.

I spent months last year on that quest...Was getting resigned to living in my car when this place came up.

Things like new paint, decent furniture etc are sheer luxuries for many. Roof over head is the main thing.

thatswhat she says herself i have a roof .a lot of people dont

Graces7

ann0 wrote: »

thatswhat she says herself i have a roof .a lot of people dont

Good for her..I came so near to not having. Can she get a dehumidifier? It will make a great difference to her health

Christine LaDuchesse

10pennymixup wrote: »

So you believe that it's brilliant that legislation is totally anti landlord and that any excuse the RTB comes down on the side of the tenant?

I certainly do, as I have had nothing but wicked, intimidating LL that tried to rip me off big big time, and I do not trust a single landlord in Ireland. My husband has a saying: The only good landlord is a dead landlord.

I could trump everyone of your listed tales with stories like tenants turning a property into a brothel, another into a crack house that required shovels and skips (in that one I wasn't allowed claim a skip as it was "normal cleaning at the end of a tenancy" according to the adjudicator and I'm still waiting on the €3k+ for damages and arrears from that tenant).

I'm glad you were able to use the RTB to sort out your little problems with the bad LL's 4 times, but to say that it is brilliant that the law is totally one sided is quite pathetic.

Definitely one sided, as is your opinion, and your little problems as well. I have always been a model tenant, never late with rent, and maintained the house properly.

There is nothing brilliant about it.

Seeing my experiences it is, seeing yours, maybe not.

ann0

Graces7 wrote: »

Good for her..I came so near to not having. Can she get a dehumidifier? It will make a great difference to her health

i have bought 5 of them for her and 2 air purifiers they seem to be helping

10pennymixup

Christine LaDuchesse wrote: »

I certainly do, as I have had nothing but wicked, intimidating LL that tried to rip me off big big time, and I do not trust a single landlord in Ireland. My husband has a saying: The only good landlord is a dead landlord.

Definitely one sided, as is your opinion, and your little problems as well. I have always been a model tenant, never late with rent, and maintained the house properly.
Seeing my experiences it is, seeing yours, maybe not.

A dead landlord???? Are you serious?

And you agree that crack house tenants and children threatening pimp tenants have more protection under the RTA's than a LL "an absolutely brilliant thing".

It's only your opinion that you were a "model" tenant. Your attitude here belies this opinion and I'm sure your previous LL's would a much tell a much different story.

Oh and my opinion is that the law and it's interpretation is one sided, and you agree, so how is my opinion one sided?

Christine LaDuchesse

10pennymixup wrote: »

A dead landlord???? Are you serious?

And you agree that crack house tenants and children threatening pimp tenants have more protection under the RTA's than a LL "an absolutely brilliant thing".

It's only your opinion that you were a "model" tenant. Your attitude here belies this opinion and I'm sure your previous LL's would a much tell a much different story.

Oh and my opinion is that the law and it's interpretation is one sided, and you agree, so how is my opinion one sided?

Just as much as you put down my complaints, I do yours. I do not believe ALL tenants are crack house tenants etc. You are biased, and I am biased. You have had bad experiences, and I have had bad experiences. Let's leave it at that.

And for sure I was a tenant LL normally dream of.
And I do not care that you think otherwise, as you were, thank allah, god, jesus josef, flying spaghetti monster, and mohammed, never mine.

Graham

Mod Note

Enough with the sweeping generalisations. They are neither helpful or accurate.

10pennymixup

Christine LaDuchesse wrote: »

Just as much as you put down my complaints, I do yours. I do not believe ALL tenants are crack house tenants etc. You are biased, and I am biased. You have had bad experiences, and I have had bad experiences. Let's leave it at that.

And for sure I was a tenant LL normally dream of.
And I do not care that you think otherwise, as you were, thank allah, god, jesus josef, flying spaghetti monster, and mohammed, never mine.

Never held the attitude that the only good tenant is a dead tenant though. Glad I never came across you or any one like you. To have rubbed up mulitple LL's the wrong way says a lot. Have you ever heard the expression that it might not be all them but you.

And get it right, I am not biased towards tenants they have been my bread and butter for years. I just hold the opinion that the law is biased, an opinion you agree with and delight in because it suited your purpose.

Over the years I have had tenants rent with me again and others ring me for family members seeking accommodation. Many received glowing references. Don't dare try to equate me with you.

Christine LaDuchesse

10pennymixup wrote: »

Never held the attitude that the only good tenant is a dead tenant though.

Sorry you do not get the cynical reference to the well know phrase: 'The only good solicitor is a dead solicitor'.

Glad I never came across you or any one like you. To have rubbed up mulitple LL's the wrong way says a lot. Have you ever heard the expression that it might not be all them but you.

I would be more than happy to send you some of the mails I have exchanged with my LL, let's see if you still think that I rubbed them up, as I did not. It was really the other way around. Last house we rented, we agreed that the house would be cleaned and broken appliances fixed before moving in. I have the pictures of how clean the house was when we moved in, cobwebs everywhere, and a filthy kitchen. Also the dishwasher did not work, the heating did not work, and the fridge/freezer did not work. It took us lots of holidays to be available in the house to let repairmen in, which always were little friends of the LL, and never fixed things to any standard, but just very crappy, no money spending. Putting on band aids instead of really fixing. The heating was fixed, and the plummer told us that from now on, every time the heating would stop, we would need to "get in the boiler room with a screwdriver, stick it in a whole on the side of the appliance, and fiddle it around a bit, until it would come alive again"

You think that is normal? You feel that we would need to pay 1400 a month for that house? I don't think so.

And get it right, I am not biased towards tenants they have been my bread and butter for years. I just hold the opinion that the law is biased, an opinion you agree with and delight in because it suited your purpose.

of course I do, if you were the tenant, being bullied and harassed by your LL, so would you.

Over the years I have had tenants rent with me again and others ring me for family members seeking accommodation. Many received glowing references.

Good!

Don't dare try to equate me with you.

Public forum, I can equate whatever I want, and give my opinion. It is very hard to trust any LL again, seeing my history with them. If I would have had only LL like yourself I would be the first to tell LL are all angels in disguise.

You take things far too personal. I never dealt with you, so why are you getting so upset.

Christine LaDuchesse

Graham wrote: »

Mod Note

Enough with the sweeping generalisations. They are neither helpful or accurate.

Sorry, you are right.

10pennymixup

Christine LaDuchesse wrote: »

Sorry you do not get the cynical reference to the well know phrase: 'The only good solicitor is a dead solicitor'.

No I don't recognize it and a quick google showed nothing either just solicitors advertising probate services
Besides you said Landlord and meant Landlord

I would be more than happy to send you some of the mails I have exchanged with my LL, let's see if you still think that I rubbed them up, as I did not. It was really the other way around. Last house we rented, we agreed that the house would be cleaned and broken appliances fixed before moving in. I have the pictures of how clean the house was when we moved in, cobwebs everywhere, and a filthy kitchen. Also the dishwasher did not work, the heating did not work, and the fridge/freezer did not work. It took us lots of holidays to be available in the house to let repairmen in, which always were little friends of the LL, and never fixed things to any standard, but just very crappy, no money spending. Putting on band aids instead of really fixing. The heating was fixed, and the plummer told us that from now on, every time the heating would stop, we would need to "get in the boiler room with a screwdriver, stick it in a whole on the side of the appliance, and fiddle it around a bit, until it would come alive again"

You think that is normal? You feel that we would need to pay 1400 a month for that house? I don't think so.
of course I do, if you were the tenant, being bullied and harassed by your LL, so would you.

None of this "bullying" and quite telling if you consider it "harassment". It is bad form on behalf of the landlord if true, but somehow I feel a bit sorry for them all

Good!

Public forum, I can equate whatever I want, and give my opinion. It is very hard to trust any LL again, seeing my history with them. If I would have had only LL like yourself I would be the first to tell LL are all angels in disguise.

You are entitled to your opinion, its just a shame that it has to be such a bitter and ill informed one. Which I'm guessing is compounded by the emoji, typed after the one statement that might have partly redeemed you.

You take things far too personal. I never dealt with you, so why are you getting so upset.

You're a randommer on the net, I don't take what YOU say personally. But if you're not called out on your pitiful attitude, you might grow to think it's actually acceptable. Thank God/ Allah/ etc you're a home owner now, how are you getting on with the neighbours?

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