Power is power

realitykeeper

Civil servants tends to prioritize their own needs over those they exist to serve. Like all weak rulers, the French king Louis XVI indulged them rather than putting them in their place and he paid for his foolishness with his head. This raises the question, what to do with Irish civil servants and who has the what it takes to do it? This clip from game of thrones shows how a competent leader would deal with them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab6GyR_5N6c

Any other suggestions for what to do with our esteemed civil servants?

pleas advice

Absolutely!

DrumSteve

Make them all do the haka everyday as they enter and leave the office.

SuperSean11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pvlylkpv6A

Signore Fancy Pants

This guy keeps going 'full retard'...doesnt he know never to go all the way?

TheValeyard

Chewbacca wrote: »

This guy keeps going 'full retard'...doesnt he know never to go all the way?

Lorelli!

pleas advice wrote: »

Absolutely!

Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely!

mickuhaha

You say civil servants as if they all are the same. There are lots of different grades ranging in pay ect. Is there a specific issues you have with them ? Some do there job and some don't. It's a job to most of them and some will do there best and others won't. The problem that I have noticed is that when you compare public services in Ireland and some other countries , other countries tend to invest in technology alot earlier like in the private sector.

Donald Trump

I got the power!

jim salter

If less people acted like proletariat then we may not be in the current situation.

I have to laugh at those belittling the OP...simple fact is that the people of Ireland are (yet again) being domineered by overpaid politicians and are so subservient and afraid if their own shadows that this will continue.

My taxes are being mismanaged and misappropriated yet people think it's a joke...either you have wealth to the point this doesn't affect you or you are at the other end of the ladder whereby it is my taxes that are funding your lifestyle and you can laugh (because you are happy with this and it doesn't affect you).

The majority of the sheepole of Ireland are just like frightened little children worried that if they do anything they will be punished...

Wanderer78

Just privatise everything already, our new found leader, 'the market', will do the rest!

PlaneSpeeking

realitykeeper wrote: »

Civil servants tends to prioritize their own needs over those they exist to serve. Like all weak rulers, the French king Louis XVI indulged them rather than putting them in their place and he paid for his foolishness with his head. This raises the question, what to do with Irish civil servants and who has the what it takes to do it? This clip from game of thrones shows how a competent leader would deal with them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab6GyR_5N6c

Any other suggestions for what to do with our esteemed civil servants?

Erm, perhaps less GOT and more job centre ????

Duckworth_Luas

realitykeeper wrote: »

French king Louis XVI indulged them rather than putting them in their place and he paid for his foolishness with his head.

Any other suggestions for what to do with our esteemed civil servants?

We should strike first.

Feisar

Where do these evil civil servants come from though? Oh that's it a cross section of our society. Basically "Every country has the government it deserves" and "In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." to quote some French lad.

Any fault of our civil service is a reflection of our faults as a society.

Wanderer78

Feisar wrote: »

Where do these evil civil servants come from though? Oh that's it a cross section of our society. Basically "Every country has the government it deserves" and "In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." to quote some French lad.

Any fault of our civil service is a reflection of our faults as a society.

i actually disagree to a point, politicians have a tenancy to lie and true democracy doesnt really exist anywhere

Chaos Tourist

Donald Trump wrote: »

I got the power!

EVERYBODY DANCE NOW.

Wait, wrong tune. They do sound kinda similar.

ohnonotgmail

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

EVERYBODY DANCE NOW.

Wait, wrong tune. They do sound kinda similar.

every day is a learning day. I honestly thought they were the same song.

Donald Trump

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

every day is a learning day. I honestly thought they were the same song.

Well we're at least getting closer to solving the most important issue on this thread.

I have some feeling that both were played on some radio ad at some stage right after each other - or maybe mixed in together. Might have been for some Now 656 Hits compilation sh1te.

If only now we could task some civil servant to find out for us!

Greyfox

To the people in power making money and keeping there workmates happy is a lot more important than caring about common people.

A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinion of sheep

riffmongous

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

EVERYBODY DANCE NOW.

Wait, wrong tune. They do sound kinda similar.

Phil Taylor does not enter to everybody dance now, how could you even think that??

Alf Veedersane

Donald Trump wrote: »

I have some feeling that both were played on some radio ad at some stage right after each other - or maybe mixed in together. Might have been for some Now 656 Hits compilation sh1te.

Quite a few mash-ups of both.

You probably heard it at a spin class.

Alf Veedersane

riffmongous wrote: »

Phil Taylor does not enter to everybody dance now, how could you even think that??

He does at home.

"I work hard...I play hard...."

ohnonotgmail

riffmongous wrote: »

Phil Taylor does not enter to everybody dance now, how could you even think that??

he doesnt enter to anything now as he has retired.

Thoughtform

jim salter wrote: »

If less people acted like proletariat then we may not be in the current situation.

I have to laugh at those belittling the OP...simple fact is that the people of Ireland are (yet again) being domineered by overpaid politicians and are so subservient and afraid if their own shadows that this will continue.

My taxes are being mismanaged and misappropriated yet people think it's a joke...either you have wealth to the point this doesn't affect you or you are at the other end of the ladder whereby it is my taxes that are funding your lifestyle and you can laugh (because you are happy with this and it doesn't affect you).

The majority of the sheepole of Ireland are just like frightened little children worried that if they do anything they will be punished...

I don't think realitykeeper is taking it that seriously, with the Game Of Thrones reference.

They're not specifically referring to politicians either. Civil servants means a variety of people.

What would you do differently?

riffmongous

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he doesnt enter to anything now as he has retired.

Professionally at least, but it won't be long till he's waking down the ramp of a Legends tournament or something with the lightning crackling and the bass thumping

Lux23

So, if we have no civil servants who do we get to do the work?

realitykeeper

Feisar wrote: »

Where do these evil civil servants come from though? Oh that's it a cross section of our society. Basically "Every country has the government it deserves" and "In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." to quote some French lad.

Any fault of our civil service is a reflection of our faults as a society.

Civil servants are not a cross section of society. Certain types of people gravitate to certain types of jobs and civil servants are not elected so they cannot use the excuse politicians use.

Therefore any faults of our civil servants are the faults of our civil servants.

ohnonotgmail

realitykeeper wrote: »

Civil servants are not a cross section of society. Certain types of people gravitate to certain types of jobs and civil servants are not elected so they cannot use the excuse politicians use.

Therefore any faults of our civil servants are the faults of our civil servants.

how long have you worked in the civil service?

realitykeeper

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how long have you worked in the civil service?

I have never worked in the civil service.

ohnonotgmail

realitykeeper wrote: »

I have never worked in the civil service.

So how do you know that the civil service do not represent a cross-section of society? Are you basing this on your well demonstrated ability to just know things without any actual evidence or experience of the situations you are talking about?

Thoughtform

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

So how do you know that the civil service do not represent a cross-section of society? Are you basing this on your well demonstrated ability to just know things without any actual evidence or experience of the situations you are talking about?

Of course the civil service is made up of all types of people - just run of the mill folk like anyone, who apply for an entry level role because of good job security and conditions (like anyone would) and work their way up (again like any of us would) but that doesn't suit those who want to believe it's full of monsters.

It's like a thread I saw yesterday about recruitment consultants - the consensus from some being that they must all be sociopaths. Again, an area that any type of person could end up in.

Now there's no denying that there are issues in both areas (civil service, recruitment) but this is much more nuanced than just a case of "They're all a particular type of person".

ohnonotgmail

Thoughtform wrote: »

Of course the civil service is made up of all types of people - just run of the mill folk like anyone, who apply for an entry level role because of good job security and conditions (like anyone would) and work their way up (again like any of us would) but that doesn't suit those who want to believe it's full of monsters.

It's like a thread I saw yesterday about recruitment consultants - the consensus from some being that they must all be sociopaths. Again, an area that any type of person could end up in.

Now there's no denying that there are issues in both areas (civil service, recruitment) but this is much more nuanced than just a case of "They're all a particular type of person".

that was precisely my point. Realitykeeper has a habit of making sweeping statements with absolutely nothing to back them up.

Franz Von Peppercorn

realitykeeper wrote: »

Civil servants tends to prioritize their own needs over those they exist to serve. Like all weak rulers, the French king Louis XVI indulged them rather than putting them in their place and he paid for his foolishness with his head. This raises the question, what to do with Irish civil servants and who has the what it takes to do it? This clip from game of thrones shows how a competent leader would deal with them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab6GyR_5N6c

Any other suggestions for what to do with our esteemed civil servants?

Have you ever said what it is you do?

Capt'n Midnight

realitykeeper wrote: »

Civil servants tends to prioritize their own needs over those they exist to serve.

I saw a good documentary on this. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080306/

Seriously it's a political masterclass, and remember the origins of our civil service.

Jim Hacker: I'd like a new chair. I hate swivel chairs.
Bernard Woolley: It used to be said there were two kinds of chairs to go with two kinds of Minister: one sort folds up instantly; the other sort goes round and round in circles.

Feisar

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i actually disagree to a point, politicians have a tenancy to lie and true democracy doesnt really exist anywhere

Well I agree on your democracy point, hence I don't vote.

Well you may say, you've given up your right to be involved/make a difference. If no one voted though, that'd bring about real change. Realistically FF/FG/Lab, does it matter a whit to our day to day?

Why do they lie though, is it because we don't want to hear the truth. Back in the Celtic Tiger days did we want to be told you can only borrow 3.5 times your salary for a house?

5rtytry56

realitykeeper wrote: »

Civil servants tends to prioritize their own needs over those they exist to serve. Like all weak rulers, the French king Louis XVI indulged them rather than putting them in their place and he paid for his foolishness with his head. This raises the question, what to do with Irish civil servants and who has the what it takes to do it? This clip from game of thrones shows how a competent leader would deal with them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab6GyR_5N6c

Any other suggestions for what to do with our esteemed civil servants?

What would that civil servant think working in Kildare Street?

You're eroding his cushy base. But this civil servant is probably frequenting other enlightened parts of boards like The Gentlemen's Club or the Ladies Lounge.

He's probably a paid subscriber.

Feisar

realitykeeper wrote: »

Civil servants are not a cross section of society. Certain types of people gravitate to certain types of jobs and civil servants are not elected so they cannot use the excuse politicians use.

Therefore any faults of our civil servants are the faults of our civil servants.

I was going to say well then we should demand better however I'm coming at you from a different angle. Point taken regarding certain people drifting to certain jobs. The civil service having that clock in clock out job for life vibe. I'm not 100% convinced and I feel my point still stands however I do see what you mean.

4ensic15

realitykeeper wrote: »

I have never worked in the civil service.

Who has?

Wanderer78

Feisar wrote: »

Well I agree on your democracy point, hence I don't vote.

Well you may say, you've given up your right to be involved/make a difference. If no one voted though, that'd bring about real change. Realistically FF/FG/Lab, does it matter a whit to our day to day?

Why do they lie though, is it because we don't want to hear the truth. Back in the Celtic Tiger days did we want to be told you can only borrow 3.5 times your salary for a house?

i have debated whether to continue voting or not, but i guess, if the public is not involved in the process, it is probably less likely we will eventually have a more democratic society.

politics is a complicated one, and politicians are complicated, god only knows why they lie. we dont particularly like hearing realistic opinions either, such as those that were expressing extreme concern at the height of the last boom, many of these same voices are being largely ignored again

Feisar

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i have debated whether to continue voting or not, but i guess, if the public is not involved in the process, it is probably less likely we will eventually have a more democratic society.

politics is a complicated one, and politicians are complicated, god only knows why they lie. we dont particularly like hearing realistic opinions either, such as those that were expressing extreme concern at the height of the last boom, many of these same voices are being largely ignored again

I'm not sure politics matters that much in this country. That's an OK statement till ones Mum needs a hospital bed or a child can't even get diagnosed with autisim never mind recieve the help needed. Well that's always going to be the situation when there is limited resources. It's the waste of those presious resources that gets me though. Anyway we are to small of a country for who's in goverment to be relevant, we are flotsom and jetsom on international waves. We could do more to help ourselves regarding being ready for dips in the econemy though. Democracy is inherently flawed in that the right decision may not be the popular one.

Taytoland

The immoral French are not to be trusted.

Wanderer78

Feisar wrote: »

I'm not sure politics matters that much in this country. That's an OK statement till ones Mum needs a hospital bed or a child can't even get diagnosed with autisim never mind recieve the help needed. Well that's always going to be the situation when there is limited resources. It's the waste of those presious resources that gets me though. Anyway we are to small of a country for who's in goverment to be relevant, we are flotsom and jetsom on international waves. We could do more to help ourselves regarding being ready for dips in the econemy though. Democracy is inherently flawed in that the right decision may not be the popular one.

i do think we re overly dependent on external sources for our existence, i do believe we need to invest more in our people, and believe in them, we are an intelligent, hard working and caring society

mariaalice

The inside of the OP head must be a fascinating place. Have a look at their posting history, of course, they might just be a very good troll.

realitykeeper

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

So how do you know that the civil service do not represent a cross-section of society? Are you basing this on your well demonstrated ability to just know things without any actual evidence or experience of the situations you are talking about?

Like I say, certain people are drawn to certain types of careers. An effeminate cross dresser might shy away from the army in favour of a career as a hairdresser. A person who believes the best way to contribute to society is to have a job in the productive sector, such as manufacturing or farming would gravitate to that type of career path. Those with no qualms about bumming on others might go for a career that is funded by the taxpayer or monies borrowed in the taxpayers name and so on.

ohnonotgmail

realitykeeper wrote: »

Like I say, certain people are drawn to certain types of careers. An effeminate cross dresser might shy away from the army in favour of a career as a hairdresser. A person who believes the best way to contribute to society is to have a job in the productive sector, such as manufacturing or farming would gravitate to that type of career path. Those with no qualms about bumming on others might go for a career that is funded by the taxpayer or monies borrowed in the taxpayers name and so on.

your mind is a very scary place.

Thoughtform

realitykeeper wrote: »

Like I say, certain people are drawn to certain types of careers. An effeminate cross dresser might shy away from the army in favour of a career as a hairdresser. A person who believes the best way to contribute to society is to have a job in the productive sector, such as manufacturing or farming would gravitate to that type of career path. Those with no qualms about bumming on others might go for a career that is funded by the taxpayer or monies borrowed in the taxpayers name and so on.

Really overthinking things. It's just people looking for a job.

Franz Von Peppercorn

realitykeeper wrote: »

Like I say, certain people are drawn to certain types of careers. An effeminate cross dresser might shy away from the army in favour of a career as a hairdresser. A person who believes the best way to contribute to society is to have a job in the productive sector, such as manufacturing or farming would gravitate to that type of career path. Those with no qualms about bumming on others might go for a career that is funded by the taxpayer or monies borrowed in the taxpayers name and so on.

So we know what we are dealing with here - what is it you do again?

Pa8301

Knowledge is power. France is bacon.