Penalty points

hurler32

Got a lovely letter today 59 in a 50 in Dublin ... thought 59 in a 50 is really stretching it for a 80 euro fine ... shooting fish in a barrel ...

Kimbot

hurler32 wrote: »

Got a lovely letter today 59 in a 50 in Dublin ... thought 59 in a 50 is really stretching it for a 80 euro fine ... shooting fish in a barrel ...

59 in a 50 so your speedo was reading at over 60......

Speeding is speeding no matter what way you look at it, you may feel hard done by but you were nearly 20% above the legal speed limit.

CiniO

hurler32 wrote: »

Got a lovely letter today 59 in a 50 in Dublin ... thought 59 in a 50 is really stretching it for a 80 euro fine ... shooting fish in a barrel ...

80 euro and 3 penalty points (with limit of 12 and removal after 3 years) is probably the most severe penalty for such speeding offence (59 in 50) within Europe.

HeidiHeidi

CiniO wrote: »

80 euro and 3 penalty points (with limit of 12 and removal after 3 years) is probably the most severe penalty for such speeding offence (59 in 50) within Europe.

I honestly don't mean to come across as all high-horse-ish, but 50kph speed limits are only in built-up areas where the chances of the unexpected happening are much higher, so this is a fact I'd be more pleased about than not, tbh.

mikeecho

hurler32 wrote: »

Got a lovely letter today 59 in a 50 in Dublin ... thought 59 in a 50 is really stretching it for a 80 euro fine ... shooting fish in a barrel ...

Stop being a fish

ohnonotgmail

CiniO wrote: »

80 euro and 3 penalty points (with limit of 12 and removal after 3 years) is probably the most severe penalty for such speeding offence (59 in 50) within Europe.

In the UK it is £100stg and 3 points.

CiniO

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

In the UK it is £100stg and 3 points.

That's why I said probably.
Possibly someone can find maybe one or 2 more countries like that.
Outside of that remaining of 50 european countries surely have less severe penalties for such speeding offence.

ohnonotgmail

CiniO wrote: »

That's why I said probably.
Possibly someone can find maybe one or 2 more countries like that.
Outside of that remaining of 50 european countries surely have less severe penalties for such speeding offence.

we appear to be below the mean fine for european countries. We do have penalty points that other countries dont but we also dont automatically take away your licence for certain speeding offences


http://www.speedingeurope.com/theburger/

CiniO

CiniO wrote: »

That's why I said probably.
Possibly someone can find maybe one or 2 more countries like that.
Outside of that remaining of 50 european countries surely have less severe penalties for such speeding offence.

€160 in Finland

CiniO

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

we appear to be below the mean fine for european countries. We do have penalty points that other countries dont but we also dont automatically take away your licence for certain speeding offences


http://www.speedingeurope.com/theburger/

Mean fine - maybe.
I was referring to speeding by 9km/h

CiniO

JayZeus wrote: »

€160 in Finland

Where did you find it?

http://www.speedingeurope.com/finland/

This link suggest that fines start at €170 when you're 12km/h over the limit or more.

TOLERANCE: 10 km/h in all cases. Fixed speed cameras activate at 6 km/h and a notification is sent by mail with no consequences up to 10 km/h over the limit. Beyond 20 km/h fine is net income based with no upper limit.
Read more at: http://www.speedingeurope.com/finland/ - copyright © www.speedingeurope.com

ohnonotgmail

CiniO wrote: »

Mean fine - maybe.
I was referring to speeding by 9km/h

I checked a couple of the major countries and they all have higher fines for exceeding the limit in the 50kmh zone.

crashplan

CiniO wrote: »

That's why I said probably.
Possibly someone can find maybe one or 2 more countries like that.
Outside of that remaining of 50 european countries surely have less severe penalties for such speeding offence.

Ireland seems to be on the lower end of speeding fines

Norway €944 for breaking the 50 limit
Denmark €405 for breaking the 50 limit
Sweden €335 for breaking the 50 limit
Finland €200 for breaking the 50 limit
Latvia €160 for breaking the 50 limit
Spain €150 for breaking the 50 limit
Italy €143 for breaking the 50 limit

All from http://www.speedingeurope.com/

LirW

Recently got caught speeding, doing 71 in a 60 zone after a village (genuinely thought it was already 80).
That's the way it is, I exceeded the speed limit, I was in the wrong, paid my fine, have penalty points now and will be more careful in the future.
Speed limits are there for a reason, you were almost 10km/h over it. Next time take better care, insurance companies will make your life hell with over 4 points.

Edit: Back in Austria it's 50 Euro fine but they don't have points. When I told my dad, who sees speeding at a courtesy, was shocked "they catch you 4 times and your license is gone?!"

HeidiHeidi

crashplan wrote: »

Ireland seems to be on the lower end of speeding fines

Norway €944 for breaking the 50 limit
Denmark €405 for breaking the 50 limit
Sweden €335 for breaking the 50 limit
Finland €200 for breaking the 50 limit
Latvia €160 for breaking the 50 limit
Spain €150 for breaking the 50 limit
Italy €143 for breaking the 50 limit

All from http://www.speedingeurope.com/

:eek:

ohnonotgmail

crashplan wrote: »

Ireland seems to be on the lower end of speeding fines

Norway €944 for breaking the 50 limit
Denmark €405 for breaking the 50 limit
Sweden €335 for breaking the 50 limit
Finland €200 for breaking the 50 limit
Latvia €160 for breaking the 50 limit
Spain €150 for breaking the 50 limit
Italy €143 for breaking the 50 limit

All from http://www.speedingeurope.com/

And norway automatically jails you if you go over 96kmh in a 50 zone. The less for today is dont speed in Norway.

HeidiHeidi

CiniO wrote: »

Mean fine - maybe.
I was referring to speeding by 9km/h

For me it's the percentage you were over the limit that is more important.



9kph over on a motorway limit of 120kph is not the same as 9kph over an urban 50kph limit.

Cordell

The fine itself it fine, low end of the spectrum. What's worse it's the points, and you'll pay way more in insurance hikes than the fine itself, for example I only have 3 points and the insurance went up by 150E for this reason alone, and assuming it's going to be the same for the next 2 renewals, that's 450. But who's observing the speed limit now? Me...

Also shooting fish in a barrel is a generally bad idea: you're likely to miss the fish, destroy the barrel and hurt yourself

CiniO

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I checked a couple of the major countries and they all have higher fines for exceeding the limit in the 50kmh zone.

Yes, but not by 9km/h.

If we're talking about doing 100km/h in 50km/h zone, then indeed Irish €80 and 3 penalty points is probably among the lowest in Europe.

CiniO

crashplan wrote: »

Ireland seems to be on the lower end of speeding fines

Norway €944 for breaking the 50 limit
Denmark €405 for breaking the 50 limit
Sweden €335 for breaking the 50 limit
Finland €200 for breaking the 50 limit
Latvia €160 for breaking the 50 limit
Spain €150 for breaking the 50 limit
Italy €143 for breaking the 50 limit

All from http://www.speedingeurope.com/

All above for being +21km/h over the limit.

Nothing to do with what I was saying about being only 9km/h over the limit.

CiniO

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

For me it's the percentage you were over the limit that is more important.



9kph over on a motorway limit of 120kph is not the same as 9kph over an urban 50kph limit.

Fully agree with you.
However for some reason hardly any country bases their speeding fine on percentage over the limit.
Most just base it on amount of km/h over the limit (probably with exception of Ireland and UK where even amount over the limit ain't matter).

ednwireland

just some food for thought


When you hit someone at 50km/h they have a 50pc chance of living, at 60km/h their chance drops to just 10pc

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/road-safety-expert-when-you-hit-someone-at-50kmh-they-have-a-50pc-chance-of-living-at-60kmh-their-chance-drops-to-just-10pc-35338583.html

ohnonotgmail

CiniO wrote: »

All above for being +21km/h over the limit.

Nothing to do with what I was saying about being only 9km/h over the limit.

Eh, you have read that webpage incorrectly. The tolerance is not 21kmh. there is a separate section for tolerances on each countries page. Generally around 10% but some are lower. Take a look at the page for Ireland, it shows the same +21KMH figure.

ohnonotgmail

CiniO wrote: »

Fully agree with you.
However for some reason hardly any country bases their speeding fine on percentage over the limit.
Most just base it on amount of km/h over the limit (probably with exception of Ireland and UK where even amount over the limit ain't matter).

In nearly all the countries on that webpage you would get a fine for going 59kmh in a 50 zone bar. there are only 2 or 3 exceptions.

CiniO

ednwireland wrote: »

just some food for thought


When you hit someone at 50km/h they have a 50pc chance of living, at 60km/h their chance drops to just 10pc

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/road-safety-expert-when-you-hit-someone-at-50kmh-they-have-a-50pc-chance-of-living-at-60kmh-their-chance-drops-to-just-10pc-35338583.html

Sorry but according to your chart, pedestrian hit at 50km/h has about 60% chance of living, while pedestrian hit at 60km/h has about 27% of living.
I'm not saying that data is correct, I'm just saying that's what your chart says.
I don't know where you got your 50% and 10% ???

Del2005

ednwireland wrote: »

just some food for thought


When you hit someone at 50km/h they have a 50pc chance of living, at 60km/h their chance drops to just 10pc

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/road-safety-expert-when-you-hit-someone-at-50kmh-they-have-a-50pc-chance-of-living-at-60kmh-their-chance-drops-to-just-10pc-35338583.html

So drive faster as a payout for death is less than for injury. We gotta get our insurance cost down.

CiniO

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Eh, you have read that webpage incorrectly. The tolerance is not 21kmh. there is a separate section for tolerances on each countries page. Generally around 10% but some are lower. Take a look at the page for Ireland, it shows the same +21KMH figure.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

In nearly all the countries on that webpage you would get a fine for going 59kmh in a 50 zone bar. there are only 2 or 3 exceptions.

Yes, but fine for being only 9km/h over the limit, would be significently lower than ones you listed.

Hence vast majority of countries use graduated speeding fine systems, where while you're f.e. up 10km/h over the limit fine is minimal, being around 20-30 over the limit fine is average, and being 40-50+ over the limit usually fine is extremelly heavy.

ohnonotgmail

CiniO wrote: »

Yes, but not by 9km/h.

If we're talking about doing 100km/h in 50km/h zone, then indeed Irish €80 and 3 penalty points is probably among the lowest in Europe.

Would you ever go an actually read the detail for each country? You're embarrassing yourself.

ednwireland

CiniO wrote: »

I don't know where you got your 50% and 10% ???

sorry didnt look at the numbers the 50 and 10 is from the indo article (which would appear to be RSA figures on a smaller irish sample size) the graph is from https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwinnoPQ0LXcAhVrD8AKHf7NC_YQFjAAegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fec.europa.eu%2Ftransport%2Froad_safety%2Fspecialist%2Fknowledge%2Fspeed%2Fspeed_is_a_central_issue_in_road_safety%2Fspeed_and_the_injury_risk_for_different_speed_levels_en&usg=AOvVaw2EU8hvc2mwQjxas2ETsBKq

an eu report

Pkiernan

Driving at 60 instead of 50 probably got you home 10 mins earlier.

€8 a minute....

ED E

The OP is pissed off at the fine = its working. If it were lower you'd forget it far quicker.

Pay attention not fines.

Emmersonn

CiniO wrote: »

Yes, but not by 9km/h.

If we're talking about doing 100km/h in 50km/h zone, then indeed Irish €80 and 3 penalty points is probably among the lowest in Europe.

It would appear that €80. and 3 points is still not deterrent enough in Ireland as people are still ending up as fish in a barrel. Maybe the fine and points should be increased . :rolleyes:

Kevin Finnerty

hurler32 wrote: »

Got a lovely letter today 59 in a 50 in Dublin ... thought 59 in a 50 is really stretching it for a 80 euro fine ... shooting fish in a barrel ...

Unlucky. Coffers gotta be filled some way, the motoring fraternity are easy targets.

HeidiHeidi

Kevin Finnerty wrote: »

Unlucky. Coffers gotta be filled some way, the motoring fraternity are easy targets.

There's a very obvious solution to that...... :rolleyes:

CiniO

CiniO wrote: »

Where did you find it?

http://www.speedingeurope.com/finland/

This link suggest that fines start at €170 when you're 12km/h over the limit or more.

That’s not official information. 3-6km/h over limit you get a warning. 7km/h over limit, you get a fine, between €120-160. If 15+ over limit, it starts at €170 and goes up from there, hitting ‘day rate’ multiples for serious offenses which is basically a number of days salary.

https://www.poliisi.fi/security_and_monitoring/traffic_safety/police_traffic_safety_centre/frequently_asked_questions

CiniO

JayZeus wrote: »

That’s not official information. 3-6km/h over limit you get a warning. 7km/h over limit, you get a fine, between €120-160. If 15+ over limit, it starts at €170 and goes up from there, hitting ‘day rate’ multiples for serious offenses which is basically a number of days salary.

https://www.poliisi.fi/security_and_monitoring/traffic_safety/police_traffic_safety_centre/frequently_asked_questions

That's probably more accurate.
That speedingeurope.com website doesn't seem to be too accurate.
But gives general idea anyway.

So, so far we have UK and Finland as having higher fines for doing 59 in 50 than Ireland.

CiniO

CiniO wrote: »

That's probably more accurate.
That speedingeurope.com website doesn't seem to be too accurate.
But gives general idea anyway.

So, so far we have UK and Finland as having higher fines for doing 59 in 50 than Ireland.

Didn’t you pick that inaccurate site first? It’s way off.

My information is not probably more accurate. It’s accurate. It’s either accurate or inaccurate.

Were you one of those kids that tried to bully other people i to doing your homework for you?

OldMrBrennan83

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CiniO

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Would you ever go an actually read the detail for each country? You're embarrassing yourself.

How am I embarrassing myself?

All fines listed in the list from your link are for being 21 or more over the limit (usually meaning between 20-25 or 20-30 depending what scale each country have).

As you're saying yourself - you can check each individual country at that website (assuming it's accurate which already from post above looks like it's not in regards Finland).

But OK, let me do some work and check few countries:
(from that Website)


Fines for doing 59km/h in 50km/h zone:

Germany - €15
Austria - €30
Belgium - €50
Croatia - €40
Czechia - €19
Denmark - €135
France - €68
Greece - €40
Ireland - €80
Italy - €35
Latvia - 0
Luxembourg - €49
Netherlands - €26-€46
Norway - €233
Poland - €12
Portugal - €60-€300
Slovakia - €20
Slovenia - €40
Spain - €50
Sweden - €210
Switzerland - €112
UK - €118


I think my point still quite stands.

CiniO

JayZeus wrote: »

Didn’t you pick that inaccurate site first? It’s way off.

No, I didn't.
It was ohnonotgmail who introduced that website to this thread.

My information is not probably more accurate. It’s accurate. It’s either accurate or inaccurate.

Brilliant.

Were you one of those kids that tried to bully other people i to doing your homework for you?

I was always way more than able for my own homework.

DaveyDave

I don't understand why it's always "shooting fish in a barrel" or a "money making scam". The vast majority of us don't have a problem with speeding. There's a speed limit and you're not supposed to go over it. It's not trial and error. It's just that simple.

hunter164

While I do a agree that if you are caught speeding you have nobody to blame but yourself.

I also think that more resources should be spent on policing motorways better.

The amount of people on phones, driving in the middle lane yet not overtaking and doing stupidly dangerous things on the M50 every day is outrageous.

You are guaranteed at least one crash a day on the M50 yet it is still not policed correctly.

hurler32

To be fair 59 in a 50 is not going that fast.pembroke road in Dublin 4 wherever that is....if it was 69 id say fair enough, i dont tend to be driving fast...if you were a garda looking for the soft touch ..just stand there for ten minutes..catch the next twenty cars and go back and do your paperwork for the other 7 hours...it was for work i had to attend meeting in Dublin...sometimes you'd wonder would you be as well off not bothering your h*le and draw the dole.....
There are loads of serious crimes ..burgularys etc occuring daily and there seems to be a very low detection rate....

tuxy

hunter164 wrote: »

You are guaranteed at least one crash a day on the M50 yet it is still not policed correctly.

Very difficult to police the m50 without adding to the congestion problem.

OldMrBrennan83

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hunter164

tuxy wrote: »

Very difficult to police the m50 without adding to the congestion problem.

I’ve been on the M50 at 7am on a Sunday morning with middle lane driving and people on their phone.

HeidiHeidi

hurler32 wrote: »

To be fair 59 in a 50 is not going that fast.pembroke road in Dublin 4 wherever that is....if it was 69 id say fair enough, i dont tend to be driving fast...if you were a garda looking for the soft touch ..just stand there for ten minutes..catch the next twenty cars and go back and do your paperwork for the other 7 hours...it was for work i had to attend meeting in Dublin...sometimes you'd wonder would you be as well off not bothering your h*le and draw the dole.....
There are loads of serious crimes ..burgularys etc occuring daily and there seems to be a very low detection rate....

I was wondering when the whataboutery would start.


59 in a 50 zone is almost 20% over the legal speed, and Pembroke Road is a busy road with many junctions and pedestrians.



You were caught speeding, suck it up.

OldmanMondeo

OP, don't worry about it, points will be gone in 3 years and the butt-hurt will have gone. I have 3 points due to fall off in a few weeks, delighted to say it worked no more points, touch wood...

ION08

OP, sorry to hear of your misfortune. The punishment is too severe for the crime but you’re unlikely to get any sympathy or agreement from the many high horse brigadiers that frequent here.

LirW

ION08 wrote: »

OP, sorry to hear of your misfortune. The punishment is too severe for the crime but you’re unlikely to get any sympathy or agreement from the many high horse brigadiers that frequent here.

I don't know what's high horse about it? Imagine it would be only enforced with a joke fine of like 20 Euro and no points, have you any idea dangerous driving would be? Back home the fines are minimal and no penalty points at all, everyone in my family has been done for speeding countless times, my sister and dad get at least 3 a year, notoriously breaking 30kmh limits.
People don't learn when it doesn't hurt them in the wallet or they face higher insurance costs because of points. Speed limits are there for a reason, there is no excuse to break it under normal circumstances.

I had to pay one 2 months ago, I honestly don't want another set of points, so I just obey the rules and I won't get in trouble, it's really not that difficult.

OldmanMondeo

ION08 wrote: »

OP, sorry to hear of your misfortune. The punishment is too severe for the crime but you’re unlikely to get any sympathy or agreement from the many high horse brigadiers that frequent here.

What high horse brigadiers? OP was over the speed limit, in speedo was more than likely reading over 60kph when he was done (get a speed app on your phone and you will see the difference on speedo to actual speed. Yes getting caught is an ass full of hurt, but no one to blame but the OP.