Why are so many fat?

_Dara_

Patww79 wrote: »

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I love that someone replied humourlessly to Beasty’s obvious pisstaking post. There’s always one.

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Loads of fat ****ers cycling around on bikes in Dublin. Cycling does **** all for you in terms of burning calories. I stopped cycling to work 3 months ago. I weigh the same as I did three months ago.

And another.

And personally, I saw differences in my bod week on week when I took up cycling. It was great for toning. I wasn’t using it to drop loads of weight, I was using it to get in condition. And it worked.

Kevin Finnerty

shakeitoff wrote: »

Yeah really does nothing, waste of time for fitness purposes.

Not true, cycling actually does help to drop weight. From the belly to the arße.

Sal Butamol

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Lucky auld me! Hate skinny bitchs!

Captain Ahab is it?

_Dara_

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Alot of Irish people tend to eat meals that are not particular wholesome. We like our salt and veg which has been almost boiled to nothing.

Been guilty of that myself.

Eating said meals in front of the TV doesn't help either.

Salt isn’t really the issue. If anything, I find that people tend to underseason home-cooked meals.

Cee-Jay-Cee

It’s probably our glands.






We have fat glands.

How Soon Is Now

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Captain Ahab is it?

Wah?

Sal Butamol

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Lucky auld me! Hate skinny bitchs!

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Wah?

Chasing the auld whales yeah?

_Dara_

07Lapierre wrote: »

Diet and lack of exercise. For a lot of people this is due to long commutes by car (by long I’m referring to time and/or distance) which means less free time to exercise and less inclination to cook healthy meals.

Diet is more contributory, IMO. Exercise does help and is what makes you look good naked but from my past experiences of losing weight, taking no exercise and cutting down on food would still see me losing weight. Obviously exercise does help create a calorie deficit but it’s nowhere near as high a deficit as people think.

How Soon Is Now

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Chasing the auld whales yeah?

Never been into skinny girls just never done it for me!.


Had one girlfriend who was fairly slim but had a nice arse so best of both worlds! :pac:

Cake is really tasty

Duckworth_Luas

My ex is Swedish and she's a big, fat bitch!

Stupid lard ass cow, with her stupid modelling career and Olympic volleyball medal!

They're not even proper jobs or sports.

Stupid fatso with her stupid PhD!


Luckily I'm over her.

Cleopatra_

Food tastes really good and life is too short. This ghetto booty takes work.

_Dara_

Thoughtform wrote: »

Crap wet weather for such a huge chunk of the year. I exercise a good deal from Spring to Autumn, and I like healthy food (plenty of delicious healthy food - it's not just lettuce) but I cave into the temptation of the couch and extra carbs from November (at the earliest) until April (at the earliest - Spring starting in March hasn't been a thing for a few years).

Every negative thing that could be found anywhere seems to be just an Irish thing or typically Irish according to this site.

I always found exercising outdoors way more pleasant in winter so I don’t get this argument. Our winters are mild and you warm up fast. Summer is when it’s hardest to exercise, IMO. It’s warm and muggy. And I barely noticed rain when I was exercising. And when I did, it was refreshing.

dhaughton99

I’m looking out the window at 10 houses and the 2 with overweight people are the same ones where the take away drivers arrive up 5 days a week.

ThunbergsAreGo

Bad food choices, I do it myself

paw patrol

Sal Butamol wrote: »

A combination of things.

It starts in childhood.

Our schools would rather waste time on religion indoctrination lessons and a dead useless language than proper physical education and home economics classes. Our children are driven to, and collected from school, instead of walking and cycling.

Overworked parents are too tired to cook proper dinners for their children, relying on takeaways and processed junk

On the otherhand, the permanent social welfare class are too lazy, uneducated, drunk/high to give a **** about their kids and send them to the chipper daily.

Fast food junk outlets everywhere.

A growing culture of big is beautiful delusions.

I've seen some **** on boards blamed on the church but this gotta take both the biscuit and the cake

tastyt

I think the **** weather has a lot to do with it. Irish men and women can spend the whole year covered up and never really have to face the reality of how heavy we are.

In Europe, with the summers so warm, people live a more outdoor life, they are on the beach, in the pool, in shorts and small or no tops. Id imagine youd be much more conscious about putting on weight and overeating when you're gonna spend half the year semi naked.

Plus, you never seem to eat as much in the heat.

Way fewer fat people than in the early 2010s and before. Since about 2012/13 people have become much more concerned with their appearance. Many factors have combined since around then to change peoples sense of what is normal with regard to diet, exercise, looking after your appearance and social status etc. As a result, the obesity rate has started to decline. Among people in their 20s and younger it is certainly not an epidemic. Threads like this are less a reflection of reality than something created without having thought extensively about the changes that have happened over the last few years.

One example of how our norms have changed is this: in the 2000s it was quite common for some people to not drink water; they would drink stuff like orange juice, fizzy drinks, mi wadi etc. instead. They didn't see this as abnormal, instead they just "didnt like water". The thought of the amount of sugar in grams or the number of calories they were putting into their body didn't occur strongly to them and when people pestered them about it just felt like something theoretical and that it didnt really matter in the short run - they thought fuzzily about it. Now I would guess there are few people who rarely drink water - look around any workplace, college, street and most people drink plenty of it, possibly with coffee, tea or diet soft drinks, all of which show evidence of a conscious avoidance of sweetened beverages. In the far future, the obesity epidemic around the world of circa 1990s - 2010s, caused mostly by highly palatable cheap foods, particularly those high in sugar, will be as transient as the gin craze of the 18th century in London was.

Also, when you think of it; in the 80s drinking coke was something associated with the rich, in the 90s it was for both the rich and a treat for the rest, in the 2000s it was for all classes equally, early 2010s primarily working class, nowadays most people drink little of it.

jaxxx

Well I can only speak for myself, and this isn't the place for the full story but personally it's because 'my wiring is banjaxed'. I put that mildly and slightly comical on purpose, but there's enough to put 2 + 2 together.

OldMrBrennan83

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Patww79

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Water and coke are both delicious for different reasons. Hate to see a world where sugary foods and drinks are gradually being removed from the shelves and our choice to drink them occasionally being removed with it.

HappyAsLarE

I found running 100km per week is great for the waist line.

DickSwiveller Returns

Sal Butamol wrote: »

A combination of things.

It starts in childhood.

Our schools would rather waste time on religion indoctrination lessons and a dead useless language than proper physical education and home economics classes. Our children are driven to, and collected from school, instead of walking and cycling.

Overworked parents are too tired to cook proper dinners for their children, relying on takeaways and processed junk

On the otherhand, the permanent social welfare class are too lazy, uneducated, drunk/high to give a **** about their kids and send them to the chipper daily.

Fast food junk outlets everywhere.

A growing culture of big is beautiful delusions.

That's the first I've seen Catholicism and the Irish language blamed for our obesity problem.

mistersifter

It's weird that Ireland is becoming more and more obese in a way. Never have there been more gyms around. Everyone seems to be out running and walking. Loads of people studying fitness and calling themselves personal trainers. It all seems to be linked to increasing preoccupation with appearance driven by good aul social media. You'd think we'd be getting skinnier.

Feisar

Rachiee wrote: »

Mostly convenience food and bad or no breakfast. Most european countries cook food for themselves from scratch using limited convenience foods. A lot of Irish families are almost wholly reliant on convenience products (dolmio, uncle bens, frozen pizzas, microwave meals) which are high in sugar and also not adding extra fruit and veg slowing down metabolism and digestion. then add in the drinks at the weekend and the couple of take aways its no wonder!
Bad habits are hard to break and sugar is highly addictive.

Is that true? Myself and the wife cook from scratch I'd say 95% of the time. Pizzas are completely homemade. Suppose most people aren't the same, I meantioned carmelised onion to someone recently and they asked where I got them. Um from the pot I cooked them in obviously!

OldMrBrennan83

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Thoughtform

_Dara_ wrote: »

I always found exercising outdoors way more pleasant in winter so I don’t get this argument. Our winters are mild and you warm up fast. Summer is when it’s hardest to exercise, IMO. It’s warm and muggy. And I barely noticed rain when I was exercising. And when I did, it was refreshing.

You don't get this argument? Surely you can understand how it would be unappealing for many to go out in the dark when it's wet and windy?

A mild, dry evening in the Winter, yes, I get that - but unfortunately much of the Winter (and some Autumn/Spring) is not so pleasant. I agree on the muggy aspect of Summer, but evening about 9pm after a sunny day is the biz for exercising.

Too much bread, spuds, crisps, cadburys, take away and processed food.

A lack of interest in being in shape.

GarIT

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Also, when you think of it; in the 80s drinking coke was something associated with the rich, in the 90s it was for both the rich and a treat for the rest, in the 2000s it was for all classes equally, early 2010s primarily working class, nowadays most people drink little of it.

I suspected you were full of ****e but turns out you're right https://www.statista.com/statistics/233371/net-operating-revenues-of-the-coca-cola-company-worldwide/

_Dara_

Thoughtform wrote: »

You don't get this argument? Surely you can understand how it would be unappealing for many to go out in the dark when it's wet and windy?

A mild, dry evening in the Winter, yes, I get that - but unfortunately much of the Winter (and some Autumn/Spring) is not so pleasant. I agree on the muggy aspect of Summer, but evening about 9pm after a sunny day is the biz for exercising.

I think many people who say they don’t like it haven’t ever tried it. Lots of people exercise outdoors throughout the year. If you truly want to exercise, the season won’t stop you. I’m inclined to think that those who cite the weather as a reason not to exercise are not very committed to it because a good few people of my acquaintance would seriously side-eye anyone who gave that as a reason.

The weather isn’t even that bad in winter generally. As someone who used to cycle throughout the winter, it doesn’t even rain that much. Continuous rain is rare. It’s mostly showers. There was rarely a day that the weather stopped me cycling. I could count the days per winter on one hand.

Sal Butamol

paw patrol wrote: »

I've seen some **** on boards blamed on the church but this gotta take both the biscuit and the cake

How many hours a week in school is devoted to religion in comparison to PE class.

I was lucky, LUCKY, to get 40 mins a week PE class in school. In comparison to hours of Religion class. This was late 80's and all through the 90's.

_Dara_

Deleted User wrote: »

Way fewer fat people than in the early 2010s and before. Since about 2012/13 people have become much more concerned with their appearance. Many factors have combined since around then to change peoples sense of what is normal with regard to diet, exercise, looking after your appearance and social status etc. As a result, the obesity rate has started to decline. Among people in their 20s and younger it is certainly not an epidemic. Threads like this are less a reflection of reality than something created without having thought extensively about the changes that have happened over the last few years.

One example of how our norms have changed is this: in the 2000s it was quite common for some people to not drink water; they would drink stuff like orange juice, fizzy drinks, mi wadi etc. instead. They didn't see this as abnormal, instead they just "didnt like water". The thought of the amount of sugar in grams or the number of calories they were putting into their body didn't occur strongly to them and when people pestered them about it just felt like something theoretical and that it didnt really matter in the short run - they thought fuzzily about it. Now I would guess there are few people who rarely drink water - look around any workplace, college, street and most people drink plenty of it, possibly with coffee, tea or diet soft drinks, all of which show evidence of a conscious avoidance of sweetened beverages. In the far future, the obesity epidemic around the world of circa 1990s - 2010s, caused mostly by highly palatable cheap foods, particularly those high in sugar, will be as transient as the gin craze of the 18th century in London was.

Also, when you think of it; in the 80s drinking coke was something associated with the rich, in the 90s it was for both the rich and a treat for the rest, in the 2000s it was for all classes equally, early 2010s primarily working class, nowadays most people drink little of it.

Is this true? I hope so but are there any cold, hard figures?

GarIT

GarIT wrote: »

I suspected you were full of ****e but turns out you're right https://www.statista.com/statistics/233371/net-operating-revenues-of-the-coca-cola-company-worldwide/

Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not for serious but that graph is actually illuminating, especially when you consider that world population increased by over 7% between 2011 and 2017.

_Dara_

_Dara_ wrote: »

Is this true? I hope so but are there any cold, hard figures?

I have only my own anecdotal evidence to base my opinions on, But I do obsessively dwell over cultural evolution and notice things like this. It is now the norm to be good-looking rather than the exception, for both sexes, and weight is a big factor in this.

ford2600

Thoughtform wrote: »

You don't get this argument? Surely you can understand how it would be unappealing for many to go out in the dark when it's wet and windy?

A mild, dry evening in the Winter, yes, I get that - but unfortunately much of the Winter (and some Autumn/Spring) is not so pleasant. I agree on the muggy aspect of Summer, but evening about 9pm after a sunny day is the biz for exercising.

Pussy

mistersifter

Patww79 wrote: »

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sure why bother actually using your subscription when you can just photoshop the f*ck out of your Instagram selfies, and then tell people how much of a "gym bunny" you are.

_Dara_

Deleted User wrote: »

I have only my own anecdotal evidence to base my opinions on, But I do obsessively dwell over cultural evolution and notice things like this. It is now the norm to be good-looking rather than the exception, for both sexes, and weight is a big factor in this.

I wouldn’t be so confident that obesity is on the decline. We know more about nutrition than ever but I’m not convinced that that necessarily translates to healthier eating. There are more self-professed foodies around than ever before and I’m not sure that they are watching their portion sizes!

_Dara_

Patww79 wrote: »

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True dat.

OldMrBrennan83

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Another trend I have thought of: You see far fewer of those shows on channel 4, BBC, Rte etc. to do with weight loss, like supersize vs superskinny, freaky eaters, that show were parents were shown their future obese children etc. than you did in the late 2000s, up to early 2010s. There was a demand for that stuff back then when people didn't understand the basics of nutrition and were trying to lose weight while eating a low-protein, low-fat, high fibre, high-carb diet (think 1990s, whole grains, brown bread, brown rice, fruit and veg ...), something which is extremely difficult, bersus the sort of high-protein, moderate fat, low-carb diet people eat nowadays when they want to lose weight (think chicken breast, brocolli, lots of meat, spices, peanut butter - stuff that is actively enjoyable to eat). The former seemed intuitively to people prior to the early 2010s to be the sort of stuff you "should" need to eat to lose weight because it is unenjoyable and spartan. To a generation who came of age in the poorer 80s and early to mid 90s it seemed inherently luxurious (and therefore unhealthy and fattening) to eat large quantities of animal protein. Nowadays the younger brothers of guys who lived off beige food from the freezer in tesco are buying 20 euro meat deals in the butchers, or buying cheap meat in Lidl, and eating like kings with no effort. For that reason I have very little admiration for people who lose weight or gain muscle this way, it is easy in comparison to how people used to lose weight.

DickSwiveller Returns

Sal Butamol wrote: »

How many hours a week in school is devoted to religion in comparison to PE class.

I was lucky, LUCKY, to get 40 mins a week PE class in school. In comparison to hours of Religion class. This was late 80's and all through the 90's.

You need PE class to learn how to run or go for a walk?

Capt'n Midnight

death1234567 wrote: »

Vegetables are usually the cheapest things in any supermarket. People just can't be arsed buying them and cooking them. It's great for me though, I can make litres of soup for half nothing.

“Would it not be better if they spent more money on wholesome things like oranges and wholemeal bread or if they even, like the writer of the letter to the New Statesman, saved on fuel and ate their carrots raw? Yes, it would, but the point is that no ordinary human being is ever going to do such a thing.

The ordinary human being would sooner starve than live on brown bread and raw carrots. And the peculiar evil is this, that the less money you have, the less inclined you feel to spend it on wholesome food. A millionaire may enjoy breakfasting off orange juice and Ryvita biscuits; an unemployed man doesn't.

Here the tendency of which I spoke at the end of the last chapter comes into play. When you are unemployed, which is to say when you are underfed, harassed, bored, and miserable, you don't want to eat dull wholesome food. You want something a little bit 'tasty'. There is always some cheaply pleasant thing to tempt you.”

― George Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier

Thoughtform

_Dara_ wrote: »

I think many people who say they don’t like it haven’t ever tried it. Lots of people exercise outdoors throughout the year. If you truly want to exercise, the season won’t stop you. I’m inclined to think that those who cite the weather as a reason not to exercise are not very committed to it

Oh absolutely - this is exactly why I think weather is a factor. People are more likely not to bother exercising, and more likely to eat carby foods, when it's dark and wet and cold. I know Ireland doesn't have extreme weather but it's still dreary and damp enough not to feel like exercising outdoors from November to March (minimum).

Compared to Australia or the west coast of the US or the Mediterranean where there is more incentive to keep trim.

c.p.w.g.w

Rachiee wrote: »

Mostly convenience food and bad or no breakfast. Most european countries cook food for themselves from scratch using limited convenience foods. A lot of Irish families are almost wholly reliant on convenience products (dolmio, uncle bens, frozen pizzas, microwave meals) which are high in sugar and also not adding extra fruit and veg slowing down metabolism and digestion. then add in the drinks at the weekend and the couple of take aways its no wonder!
Bad habits are hard to break and sugar is highly addictive.

The dolmio's high in sugar kinda annoys me, tinned tomatoes have lots of sugar too

Tinned Tomatoes 4g Sugar Per 100g
Dolmio Original 5.4g Sugar Per 100g

Its a bit more, but not monstrously high as some suggest.

But we as a nation seem to be afraid of fat, nuts and seeds...oh the fat in those is too high, it'll make me fat...Typically people who snack on nuts and more likely to fill fuller faster, have a better gut flora and digestive system

_Dara_

Thoughtform wrote: »

Oh absolutely - this is exactly why I think weather is a factor. People are more likely not to bother exercising, and more likely to eat carby foods, when it's dark and wet and cold. I know Ireland doesn't have extreme weather but it's still dreary and damp enough not to feel like exercising outdoors from November to March (minimum).

For some. Anyone who really wants to exercise would not be put off. The weather is just an excuse, IMO. Those people just don’t want to exercise. Which is fine. But the weather isn’t the reason.

silverharp

_Dara_ wrote: »

I wouldn’t be so confident that obesity is on the decline. We know more about nutrition than ever but I’m not convinced that that necessarily translates to healthier eating. There are more self-professed foodies around than ever before and I’m not sure that they are watching their portion sizes!

go back 2 generations and people only ate 3 times a day , this changed as well as the flawed "low fat" meme which still prevails based on what you see in the supermarket. it will take a while yet to change attitudes though i'd say younger people will probably figure out that they were given a lot of cr@p information

DickSwiveller Returns

It's very simple. Eat 3 meals a day, don't eat junk except for in rare situations, and go for a long walk in the morning and evening. There. I've cured our obesity problem.

c.p.w.g.w

silverharp wrote: »

go back 2 generations and people only ate 3 times a day , this changed as well as the flawed "low fat" meme which still prevails based on what you see in the supermarket. it will take a while yet to change attitudes though i'd say younger people will probably figure out that they were given a lot of cr@p information

I wonder does having your main meal of the day earlier have anything to do with that...

My Parents when growing up got their dinners at lunch time from School, and had a smaller supper in the evening

_Dara_

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

The dolmio's high in sugar kinda annoys me, tinned tomatoes have lots of sugar too

Tinned Tomatoes 4g Sugar Per 100g
Dolmio Original 5.4g Sugar Per 100g

Its a bit more, but not monstrously high as some suggest.

But we as a nation seem to be afraid of fat, nuts and seeds...oh the fat in those is too high, it'll make me fat...Typically people who snack on nuts and more likely to fill fuller faster, have a better gut flora and digestive system

Nah, I love nuts but they’re a rubbish snack. Not filling at all unless you eat a lot of them. I don’t love seeds but have tried them as a snack - again, rubbish. Not remotely satiating.

Thoughtform

_Dara_ wrote: »

For some. Anyone who really wants to exercise would not be put off. The weather is just an excuse, IMO.

Of course it is, but either way, that's what puts people off exercising.

I dunno if I'm getting my point across - I'm not saying the weather physically prevents people from exercising, just that it's enough to make people not bother. Windy, rainy (even if mild) evening out running versus cosy evening in watching Netflix and a few beers. This is I firmly believe part of what makes Irish people in general chubbier than people in e.g. L.A.

Plus the darkness is endless, making it trickier for people in the countryside.