TNG runthrough

Evade

Evade wrote: »

This is probably a really unpopular opinion but I hate that episode. Riva's refusal to meet people in the middle with his being deaf is a really strange position for a mediator. I get what they were trying to do but like the DS9 episode where Vic's is taken over by the Mafia the execution was really off.

meet them in the middle how?

Evade

bluewolf wrote: »

meet them in the middle how?

It's been a while since I've seen the episode but didn't they offer him a workable solution he refused to use?

Evade

Evade wrote: »

It's been a while since I've seen the episode but didn't they offer him a workable solution he refused to use?

I don't think so. Pulanski said he was unable to get any surgery or use any tech to hear anything because of the way his condition was. He went through a bit of a 'everything is terrible my friends are dead and it's all my fault' phase but then troi talked some sense into him and he went off to mediate again

Evade

bluewolf wrote: »

I don't think so. Pulanski said he was unable to get any surgery or use any tech to hear anything because of the way his condition was. He went through a bit of a 'everything is terrible my friends are dead and it's all my fault' phase but then troi talked some sense into him and he went off to mediate again

I must watch it again then.

Poor miles. Does all the work to save dr pulanski and nobody says thanks, just rush out the door

Evade

I watched the episode. It was not using the obvious solution that annoys me, writing or a little text to speech PADD. There's a section on Memory Alpha that says there was supposed to be a scene where they explained that his family don't write for some reason but that doesn't really make sense. The scene in the lounge on the way to the planet is really badly done too. Riva is supposed to read lips but Riker and Data say things outside of his eye line that he understands. One thing I did like was the effect when the chorus is killed

His chorus hear everything and psychic it to him though right? I thought that's how it all worked. They only mentioned the lip reading when he had to rely on it

Evade

Troi says he reads lips when they're having dinner.

They've fairly overdone troi's highlighter on late season 2.
Just throwing that out there.

I didn't realise the borg had a baby borg nursery. Creepy

AMKC

bluewolf wrote: »

They've fairly overdone troi's highlighter on late season 2.
Just throwing that out there.

I didn't realise the borg had a baby borg nursery. Creepy

Yep they did and the crew thought that Borg were actually born lol.

AMKC

AMKC wrote: »

Yep they did and the crew thought that Borg were actually born lol.

I had a chuckle at that!

Man when geordi got stuck on the alien ship and worf was all 'you will die with dishonor! you will not ascend to the 24th heaven!"
and then they were like 'do you think he understood'
there is no way i would have got that. i'd be like, well, worf has gone crazy again. aaaanyway can someone rescue me please.


Up the long ladder: god save us from the Oirish accents. some english lad putting one on. how did colm meaney not slap him. at least the daughter's is better

Daith

Daith wrote: »

Yep the flashing lights thing for directions was odd. What if two people were looking for directions?

I do recall the person who shows Riker how to use the arrows checks out Riker's ass.

Well, it looks like they were still at the flashing lights for directions in s2 e19!

Evade wrote: »

There's three shifts per day, four for Jellico's brief command. If something big happens they call all senior officers to their stations because you probably don't want some lieutenant JG in command of the graveyard shift full of ensigns using their wealth of experience in a crisis or a first contact situation.

Do you reckon they're ever too drunk to be called on shift. Like at one of their poker games

Evade

bluewolf wrote: »

Do you reckon they're ever too drunk to be called on shift. Like at one of their poker games

Not if they're drinking synthohol. I'm pretty sure the whole point of it is the adverse effects can be dismissed quickly. Guinan's stash of Aldebaran whiskey is another story.

Who watches the watchers: some pyscho dude is obsessed with shooting people with arrows, including picard, and his people are okay with that. no punishment or locking him up or anything.

Inviere

bluewolf wrote: »

Who watches the watchers: some pyscho dude is obsessed with shooting people with arrows, including picard, and his people are okay with that. no punishment or locking him up or anything.

They were fairly primitive in fairness

_Kaiser_

bluewolf wrote: »

Who watches the watchers: some pyscho dude is obsessed with shooting people with arrows, including picard, and his people are okay with that. no punishment or locking him up or anything.

Inviere wrote: »

They were fairly primitive in fairness

Also, their entire belief system had just been turned upside down. I think we can cut the guy a little slack.

I actually really like that episode. You can see shades of it in Insurrection.

Inviere

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

You can see shades of it in Insurrection.

Blows Insurrection away imo

bluewolf

bluewolf wrote: »

Bring back tasha yar

\o/
s3e15!

much better hairstyle too. all sleek

Evade

bluewolf wrote: »

\o/
s3e15!

much better hairstyle too. all sleek

That is such a great episode. The bridge redress and lighting looks really cool and I like the minor changes to the uniforms.

goose2005

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

And a real life human ( for some reason) in the mirror universe.

many holodeck people are based on real people - the doctor, Leah Brahms, etc.

I don't think i had seen the Lal episode before
I thought she'd end up pottering around somewhere instead of an emotional thing breaking her.
Sob

Cookie_Monster

Evade wrote: »

That is such a great episode. The bridge redress and lighting looks really cool and I like the minor changes to the uniforms.

It always surprises me how early on that one is. It's season 6 level of quality but way back in s3!

_Kaiser_

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

It always surprises me how early on that one is. It's season 6 level of quality but way back in s3!

So I just watched it again (these threads will do that ) and it really is an outstanding episode.. action, drama, romance, a moral dilemma, a harder Picard but still the same Captain we know and love underneath it... it even has a female Captain who I think served as a template for Janeway in several ways.

Poor ole Riker gets a pretty hard time though, and that's before the console explodes!

IvySlayer

Patrick Stewarts acting in Yesterdays Enterprise was phenomenal as always

Not good enough damn it, not good enough!!!

Evade

IvySlayer wrote: »

Patrick Stewarts acting in Yesterdays Enterprise was phenomenal as always

Not good enough damn it, not good enough!!!

"Let's make sure that history never forgets... the name... Enterprise."

_Kaiser_

Evade wrote: »

"Let's make sure that history never forgets... the name... Enterprise."

It's an epic scene alright...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6muVlWkH2Y

I prefer Picard's line at the end when the Klingons order him to surrender... "That will be the day" as he then vaults over the tactical console and goes down fighting .
That one sequence is far more effective and true to the character than "action Picard" from the movies.

Wesley even seems competent and professional at 1:43-1:55... This episode really did have everything

Slydice

Slydice wrote: »

Sacrifice Everything! Make it so!

*cough**cough**cough**cough**cough**cough**cough**cough* :cool:

TheValeyard

'The Defector'was also a great episode in season3. That look on Tomalaks face!

pixelburp

Out of curiosity, are people rewatching the remastered versions, complete with the new FX? That's the version available on Netflix anyway, and was really surprised and pleased at how well the transfers looked when I did my own runthrough.

Such a shame the home release undersold, effectively mothballing the same thing happening with DS9 et al.

I'm watching whatever is on Netflix yeah. Looks good

Inviere

pixelburp wrote: »

Out of curiosity, are people rewatching the remastered versions, complete with the new FX? That's the version available on Netflix anyway, and was really surprised and pleased at how well the transfers looked when I did my own runthrough.

God yeah, I don't think I could ever watch the SD versions again. The HD remasters are light years better.

Such a shame the home release undersold, effectively mothballing the same thing happening with DS9 et al.

I know it was a costly excersise, but I blame the costs per season myself, for why it didn't do well. Most everyone bought their DVD seasons at 60/70/80 euro a pop. Then we're asked to buy them all individually again, for an even higher price? Had the remasters been priced at between €30/€50 per season, more people would have bought into them, and this the numbers would have been higher.

Secondly, physical media began to die at the stage blu rays were coming out...nobody was going to drop ~€600 on seven seasons of a 20 odd year old show.

TheValeyard

DS9 would also probably be a lot more expensive to remaster HD with all the pew pew pew pew.


But it could be awesome....

Inviere

^^ polishes up so damn well. Imo, it puts the effects of Discovery to shame

Got the introduction to lt broccoli today.
Very good episode about being nice to people. Guinan and picard telling the lads to cop on

Also iiiii am the goddess... Of empathyyyy

I kind of agree with riker though. Should be a ban on holodecking your crewmates. Imagine some creeper was reconstructing you to get it on with. The therapy benefits are good but not worth it

IvySlayer

bluewolf wrote: »

Got the introduction to lt broccoli today.
Very good episode about being nice to people. Guinan and picard telling the lads to cop on

Also iiiii am the goddess... Of empathyyyy

I kind of agree with riker though. Should be a ban on holodecking your crewmates. Imagine some creeper was reconstructing you to get it on with. The therapy benefits are good but not worth it

Well Geordi did it with Leah so...when you touch these engines you're touching me...

Omg maybe that's what he meant with "i fell in love in there once". Totally forgot

Evade

IvySlayer wrote: »

Well Geordi did it with Leah so...when you touch these engines you're touching me...

That was the computer taking liberties with Geordie's commands, Barclay's was intentional.

pixelburp

Oof, those Barcley / LaForge romance episodes. It's very glib to dismiss old media and how "you couldn't do that anymore", but it's hard to imagine how recreating a person in a holodeck and romancing them was EVER a good/smart/non creepy idea...

TheValeyard

Well, it appears Vulcan Love Slave 3 is very popular in the 24th century.

Evade

pixelburp wrote: »

Oof, those Barcley / LaForge romance episodes. It's very glib to dismiss old media and how "you couldn't do that anymore", but it's hard to imagine how recreating a person in a holodeck and romancing them was EVER a good/smart/non creepy idea...

Geordie's was accidental and I don't think it's implied Barclay did anything "creepy" unlike Quark when he tries to recreate Kira on DS9. I think Janeway was the only Federation character who intentionally created a holo-partner.

pixelburp

Evade wrote: »

Geordie's was accidental and I don't think it's implied Barclay did anything "creepy" unlike Quark when he tries to recreate Kira on DS9. I think Janeway was the only Federation character who intentionally created a holo-partner.

Intent is an important distinction but doesn't totally forgive the obvious moral issues of recreating real, living people, whatever the intention. If a working, adult professional like LaForge can "accidentally" fall in love with a hologram and get a littttttle inappropriate around the real version, kinda reflects poorly on the engineer (and the Federations utopian ideals a little). The most charitable thing I can say is that the whole thing sounds unhealthy.

Evade

pixelburp wrote: »

Intent is an important distinction but doesn't totally forgive the obvious moral issues of recreating real, living people, whatever the intention.

I wonder where the line would be in that situation. Would recreating Kirk's adventures on the Enterprise D's holodeck be out of the question since most of those people could still be alive or do you need to go back further to ensure all the recreations real counterparts are dead, and dead for how long?

pixelburp wrote: »

If a working, adult professional like LaForge can "accidentally" fall in love with a hologram and get a littttttle inappropriate around the real version, kinda reflects poorly on the engineer (and the Federations utopian ideals a little). The most charitable thing I can say is that the whole thing sounds unhealthy.

It's definitely unhealthy but it's kind of sad at the same time.

IvySlayer

That's what I dislike about The Doctors equal rights for holograms campaign.

Janeway falling in love with a holodeck character was seen as something that should be encouraged, to me that's disturbing. They tried to make The Doctor fall in love with Seven but they dropped that story quick too

And when Michael Sullivan seemed to gain self recognition and sentience, he's never seen or referenced to again!!

pixelburp

Evade wrote: »

I wonder where the line would be in that situation. Would recreating Kirk's adventures on the Enterprise D's holodeck be out of the question since most of those people could still be alive or do you need to go back further to ensure all the recreations real counterparts are dead, and dead for how long?

It's definitely unhealthy but it's kind of sad at the same time.

Maybe it speaks to why TNG felt quite celibate in its depiction of romance and sex. To me anyway, the OBrien/Keiko relationship, among others, always felt cold and distant . Ok, there were network constraints of courses, but in canon it's interesting to think of the Federation becoming quite an emotionally enclosed society, where people forgot how to have real relationships when its easier for you to romance / bone any hologram you wish.

But the whole hologram / AI and what they were seems very sketchily thought out at best. A techobabble excuse to still have the "planet of the nazis" episodes without an actual planet.

Evade

pixelburp wrote: »

Maybe it speaks to why TNG felt quite celibate in its depiction of romance and sex. To me anyway, the OBrien/Keiko relationship, among others, always felt cold and distant . Ok, there were network constraints of courses, but in canon it's interesting to think of the Federation becoming quite an emotionally enclosed society, where people forgot how to have real relationships when its easier for you to romance / bone any hologram you wish.

Keiko and O'Brien's marriage almost seemed like it was arranged. We didn't see any build up he was a minor character so that's not that odd but then there's the scene in the Wounded, which is shortly after they'd married, and she's introducing him to Japanese food and he wants to make her some Irish food. I'm no expert but that seems like something that would come up long before the honeymoon. It's almost like they'd never eaten a meal together before.

Inviere

pixelburp wrote: »

OBrien/Keiko relationship, among others, always felt cold and distant

I think that's just Keiko

TheValeyard

Inviere wrote: »

I think that's just Keiko

Yeah the marriage seemed more real when the pah wraiths were controlling her.

Inviere

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Yeah the marriage seemed more real when the pah wraiths were controlling her.

:D

Myyyyyuuuulllllls

It was a bit odd, I know she was unhappy on the station but they didn't have too many happy moments iirc. Some but not that many
Bashir and ezri was just bizarre as well

IvySlayer

What does a botanist actually do all day anyway? Maintaining an arbouretim on the Enterprise D must be the most boring job ever!

Nurse Ogawa had more development than Keiko :P