Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

SimonTemplar

everlast75 wrote: »

Now now Pelvis, nothing to see here at all! :rolleyes:

BTW - this tweet hasn't aged well...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032256443985084417

Ah it is only a matter of time before Trump tweets about "weak" and "loser" Manafort and that he had nothing to do with him during the campaign

everlast75

The president’s legal team put out an initial statement that said: “the President did nothing wrong and Paul Manafort will tell the truth.” Minutes later, they put out a new statement that said simply: “the President did nothing wrong.”

Manafort's deal includes turning over documents and testifying in other cases, which again, is huge.

Two minor other titbits -

Manafort is a longtime friend and business associate of Roger Stone.

Manafort pushed for Pence to get VP. I wonder if there is any "there there"

Pelvis

You have to wonder why he'd cooperate? He obviously can't be too confident of getting a pardon?

mcmoustache

Manafort was in the Trump Tower meeting and was around when the offer of the meeting was discussed. He was at the Mayflower when the RNC changed their language on Russia. He asked Kilminik how his position could be used to "make us whole" with regard to what he owed Deripaska. Manafort knows everything.

circadian

Pelvis wrote: »

You have to wonder why he'd cooperate? He obviously can't be too confident of getting a pardon?

Anyone with any semblance of intelligence would know not to have faith in Trump.

BabyCheeses

RIGOLO wrote: »

So do ye think ye have got your guy this time, seems every Friday the anti-Trumpers get all excited about the latest click-bait on mainstream media.

I reckon November will be a shock for the Democrats, I think the polls are way off, even 538 will be caught out.
I made a tidy sum when Trump beat the odds in 2016, Im happy to put some of that on the GOP beating the spread in both House and Senate races.

Can we get a preview for the next press release from the People's Republic of America?


It is unusual for the best people to turn out to be criminals. Why does Trump think the best people are criminals?

mcmoustache

Pelvis wrote: »

You have to wonder why he'd cooperate? He obviously can't be too confident of getting a pardon?

He's open to a heap of state charges. For example, the mistrialled fraud charges from a few weeks ago can be tried at the state level. Also, some if not all the charges dropped today can be tried at state level. He's fúcked.

mcmoustache

BabyCheeses wrote: »

Can we get a preview for the next press release from the People's Republic of America?

##Mod Note##

No link dumps please..

Water John

The first thing Manafort's attorney mentioned was his family's safety!!! Manafort has dealt with a lot of bad guys. They may be a more pressing concern for him than any thing else.

He rolled over eventually. Trump's first divorce attorney told Trump a good while ago that they all do as the noose tightens.

josip

How much longer before we have President Mike Pence of the Resistance Party sworn in?

Water John

Manafort's attorney also indicated it was for deeds in the past. This was to reassure Trump.
The affect on Trump of Manafort's rollover is further down the road. Don't get ahead of the story.

2 Scoops

ECO_Mental wrote: »

As I said a couple of days ago many a competent guy has rocked into Tuckers den thinking they are going show him a thing or two and came out with their tail between their legs.

Loved it, up there with Eichenwald's interview for me. Avenatti is too used to being on friendly networks, he was legit seething.

Water John

Ah lets focus on the main story of the day. Manafort does a deal with Mueller.

Don't bother us with the whataboutery.

26000 Elephants

BabyCheeses wrote: »

Can we get a preview for the next press release from the People's Republic of America?

Nothing to see here, folks!

“This had absolutely nothing to do with the president or his victorious 2016 presidential campaign,” White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said. “It is totally unrelated.”

Considering how close Manafort was to Trumps campaign and its financing, I'd say the term "unrelated" is open to interpretation.

Leroy42

To get Manafort to flip is massive. Whether it is directly on Trump, or simply against others, this is massive news.

It, of course, will be tried to be played down, but just like Rigolo will never actually engage with any of the issues that the investigation has brought up and the fact that some many people that scream MAGA seem totally unmoved by Mueller doing exactly that, this is really going to shake Trump. He seemed pretty confident that Manafort was not going to do a deal, that he continued attempts to run PR for him would be enough to keep Manafort on his side.

But it turns out that Mueller is far more formidable that Trump seems to have thought, or maybe that Trump over estimates the loyalty that people have to him.

At the very least, Mueller must be expecting to hear the details of the Trump Tower meeting, and what part each person played. This is likely very bad news for the likes of Kushner and Don Jr, but could in all likelihood be very difficult for Trump himself.

Mueller will also be looking to get to the bottom of who came up with the idea of getting Manafort involved in Trumps campaign, and why he worked for free despite having some serious financial issues to deal with.

A former campaign manager of the current POTUS has not only been convicted at very serious charges, but has now taken a plea deal. That is massive.

jobbridge4life

2 Scoops wrote: »

Loved it, up there with Eichenwald's interview for me. Avenatti is too used to being on friendly networks, he was legit seething.

It was an unedifying interview for both for sure, and without question the increasingly desperate surviving rump of Trump supporters will see it as a victory. The reality is though that it became so heated because Carlson was, in essence, trying to defend a POTUS who has more in common with the porn actors he has sex with than his wife or the evangelical base who debase themselves daily by supporting him.

You can't ultimately win an argument about a porn and morality when you are truly trying to defend a President who had sex with them regularly while his wife was at home nursing their child.

Leroy42

Actually, the more I think about it, Don Jr is now 8n serious legal jeopardy. Manafort knows exactly on what basis the meeting was called, will be able to give details of any discussions held both prior to and after the meeting to show the extent of what Don expected from the meeting and what they did after it.

Also, of course, whether Trump was involved either directly of informed.

How is Trump going to react now that Don Jr is on the block?

RIGOLO

The only President to come out of this current Manafort case with egg on their face is Obama, and the Obama Administration.

mcmoustache

RIGOLO wrote: »

The only President to come out of this current Manafort case with egg on their face is Obama, and the Obama Administration.

Are you worried?

MadYaker

RIGOLO wrote: »

The only President to come out of this current Manafort case with egg on their face is Obama, and the Obama Administration.

How so? This investigation doesn't have a whole lot to do with him as far as I know?

mcmoustache

MadYaker wrote: »

How so? This investigation doesn't have a whole lot to do with him as far as I know?

The gist is that some of Manafort's lobbying for Yuschenko Yanukavich was aimed at the Obama admin. It's the equivalent of saying that the house that got robbed by the burglar had egg on it's face.

mcmoustache

Here's a link to the plea agreement. Mueller owns him right now.

He has to spill everything and provide all the documents. If Mueller thinks he is not, the deal can be voided at any time and he cannot take back the guilty plea. He loses 47 million in forfeiture. He is still open to state charges so he's manafecked six ways to sunday. Manafort is the holy grail and Mueller has him.

EDIT: That cooperation includes questioning without a lawyer. As I said, totally owned. Manafort knows everything and he's the only flipper that scares Trump - because Manafort knows everything about the collusion.

mcmoustache

2 Scoops wrote: »

Loved it, up there with Eichenwald's interview for me. Avenatti is too used to being on friendly networks, he was legit seething.

I'm just curious. Do you think you'll be able to say "Still no collusion" when Manafort sings? He has already started too.

RIGOLO

All the anti-Trumpers have fallen for the click bait again. I heard a good analogy today , Dems and the left are like cats, and Trumps tweets are like the red dot from a laser pointer.
Your all too busy chasing your bias , trying to catch the ‘red dot’  to actually study the facts.

You would be better off to have read the court filings for the criminal case rather than the plea agreement.
Id recommend reading the full filling, you might learn a lot of things.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA VERSUS PAUL J MANAFORT CRIMINAL
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=4883167-Manafort-D-C-Superseding-Criminal-Information

It specifically states dates offences took place between 2006 and 2015, with no mention of Trump.

Lots of entities come out bad, Cyprus, St Vincent, Grenadines and the UK where Manafort hid the companies, Belgium where the main Ukraine lobbying HQ was, a former Austrian Chancellor, Italian Prime Minister and Polish President to lobby on his Ukraine interests behalf, directing secret payments to The Hapsburg Group to avoid European taxation.
The manouvering by this Hapsburg group in getting US and European main stream media to promote Ukraine interests is truly mind blowing. 

Manafort even managed to get his ‘shadow’ Ukraine lobbying group to meet with OBAMA and BIDEN….  
They even managed to fit in a soccer match in Warsaw as part of the meetings and lobbying, just goes to show where and when these geo-political events are taking place. 

The only President mentioned in the filing is OBAMA … LOL .. yes Mueleer has un-earthed POTUS 44 meeting with dodgy agents acting on behalf of Russian interests via a Ukranian despot proxy.
YOU GOTTA LOVE THAT MUELLER FOUND COLLUSION , JUST WITH THE WRONG PRESIDENT.
And remember this is all pre 2014 Ukraine revolution.

The OBAMA administration is noted as being SYMPATHETIC to the Yanukovich Government, and OBAMA administration policy is engagement with Yanukovich, not in favour of sanctions,… the same Yanukovich currently in exile in Rusisa and wanted for Treason in the Ukraine.
Hilary and John Kerry names pop up as being pawns in this game.
 

Impeachment is looking further and further away, Muellers is playing all his aces and none of them
are a giving him a winning impeachment hand.  His best efforts now are to try and influence the mid-terms, that’s about all that this is.  

It shows the main stream media and the witch hunt for what it is, more concerned with someone WHO ISNT mentioned in the filings , than any of the above who ARE mentioned … click bait folks, enjoy it, but really its not going to disturb anyones weekend golf game.

mcmoustache

RIGOLO wrote: »

All the anti-Trumpers have fallen for the click bait again. I heard a good analogy today , Dems and the left are like cats, and Trumps tweets are like the red dot from a laser pointer.
Your all too busy chasing your bias , trying to catch the ‘red dot’ to actually study the facts.

You would be better off to have read the court filings for the criminal case rather than the plea agreement.
Id recommend reading the full filling, you might learn a lot of things.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA VERSUS PAUL J MANAFORT CRIMINAL
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=4883167-Manafort-D-C-Superseding-Criminal-Information

It specifically states dates offences took place between 2006 and 2015, with no mention of Trump.

Lots of entities come out bad, Cyprus, St Vincent, Grenadines and the UK where Manafort hid the companies, Belgium where the main Ukraine lobbying HQ was, a former Austrian Chancellor, Italian Prime Minister and Polish President to lobby on his Ukraine interests behalf, directing secret payments to The Hapsburg Group to avoid European taxation.
The manouvering by this Hapsburg group in getting US and European main stream media to promote Ukraine interests is truly mind blowing.

Manafort even managed to get his ‘shadow’ Ukraine lobbying group to meet with OBAMA and BIDEN….
They even managed to fit in a soccer match in Warsaw as part of the meetings and lobbying, just goes to show where and when these geo-political events are taking place.

The only President mentioned in the filing is OBAMA … LOL .. yes Mueleer has un-earthed POTUS 44 meeting with dodgy agents acting on behalf of Russian interests via a Ukranian despot proxy.
YOU GOTTA LOVE THAT MUELLER FOUND COLLUSION , JUST WITH THE WRONG PRESIDENT.
And remember this is all pre 2014 Ukraine revolution.

The OBAMA administration is noted as being SYMPATHETIC to the Yanukovich Government, and OBAMA administration policy is engagement with Yanukovich, not in favour of sanctions,… the same Yanukovich currently in exile in Rusisa and wanted for Treason in the Ukraine.
Hilary and John Kerry names pop up as being pawns in this game.


Impeachment is looking further and further away, Muellers is playing all his aces and none of them
are a giving him a winning impeachment hand. His best efforts now are to try and influence the mid-terms, that’s about all that this is.

It shows the main stream media and the witch hunt for what it is, more concerned with someone WHO ISNT mentioned in the filings , than any of the above who ARE mentioned … click bait folks, enjoy it, but really its not going to disturb anyones weekend golf game.

Are you OK?


Manafort was central to Trump's shenanigans in areas such as the Trump Tower meeting and the RNC at the Mayflower. He'll sing like a bird. Don't forget that "Candidate 1" is an undicted co-conspirator in Michael Cohen's guilty plea. Don't expect to see Trump's name mentioned because he won't be indicted until he's out of office.

Professor Moriarty

RIGOLO wrote: »

All the anti-Trumpers have fallen for the click bait again. I heard a good analogy today , Dems and the left are like cats, and Trumps tweets are like the red dot from a laser pointer.
Your all too busy chasing your bias , trying to catch the ‘red dot’  to actually study the facts.

You would be better off to have read the court filings for the criminal case rather than the plea agreement.
Id recommend reading the full filling, you might learn a lot of things.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA VERSUS PAUL J MANAFORT CRIMINAL
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=4883167-Manafort-D-C-Superseding-Criminal-Information

It specifically states dates offences took place between 2006 and 2015, with no mention of Trump.

Lots of entities come out bad, Cyprus, St Vincent, Grenadines and the UK where Manafort hid the companies, Belgium where the main Ukraine lobbying HQ was, a former Austrian Chancellor, Italian Prime Minister and Polish President to lobby on his Ukraine interests behalf, directing secret payments to The Hapsburg Group to avoid European taxation.
The manouvering by this Hapsburg group in getting US and European main stream media to promote Ukraine interests is truly mind blowing. 

Manafort even managed to get his ‘shadow’ Ukraine lobbying group to meet with OBAMA and BIDEN….  
They even managed to fit in a soccer match in Warsaw as part of the meetings and lobbying, just goes to show where and when these geo-political events are taking place. 

The only President mentioned in the filing is OBAMA … LOL .. yes Mueleer has un-earthed POTUS 44 meeting with dodgy agents acting on behalf of Russian interests via a Ukranian despot proxy.
YOU GOTTA LOVE THAT MUELLER FOUND COLLUSION , JUST WITH THE WRONG PRESIDENT.
And remember this is all pre 2014 Ukraine revolution.

The OBAMA administration is noted as being SYMPATHETIC to the Yanukovich Government, and OBAMA administration policy is engagement with Yanukovich, not in favour of sanctions,… the same Yanukovich currently in exile in Rusisa and wanted for Treason in the Ukraine.
Hilary and John Kerry names pop up as being pawns in this game.
 

Impeachment is looking further and further away, Muellers is playing all his aces and none of them
are a giving him a winning impeachment hand.  His best efforts now are to try and influence the mid-terms, that’s about all that this is.  

It shows the main stream media and the witch hunt for what it is, more concerned with someone WHO ISNT mentioned in the filings , than any of the above who ARE mentioned … click bait folks, enjoy it, but really its not going to disturb anyones weekend golf game.

Go away out of that. You're fooling nobody. It's ever decreasing circles for The Donald while Obama basks in the admiration of the world.

froog

RIGOLO wrote: »

All the anti-Trumpers have fallen for the click bait again. I heard a good analogy today , Dems and the left are like cats, and Trumps tweets are like the red dot from a laser pointer.
Your all too busy chasing your bias , trying to catch the ‘red dot’  to actually study the facts.

You would be better off to have read the court filings for the criminal case rather than the plea agreement.
Id recommend reading the full filling, you might learn a lot of things.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA VERSUS PAUL J MANAFORT CRIMINAL
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=4883167-Manafort-D-C-Superseding-Criminal-Information

It specifically states dates offences took place between 2006 and 2015, with no mention of Trump.

Lots of entities come out bad, Cyprus, St Vincent, Grenadines and the UK where Manafort hid the companies, Belgium where the main Ukraine lobbying HQ was, a former Austrian Chancellor, Italian Prime Minister and Polish President to lobby on his Ukraine interests behalf, directing secret payments to The Hapsburg Group to avoid European taxation.
The manouvering by this Hapsburg group in getting US and European main stream media to promote Ukraine interests is truly mind blowing. 

Manafort even managed to get his ‘shadow’ Ukraine lobbying group to meet with OBAMA and BIDEN….  
They even managed to fit in a soccer match in Warsaw as part of the meetings and lobbying, just goes to show where and when these geo-political events are taking place. 

The only President mentioned in the filing is OBAMA … LOL .. yes Mueleer has un-earthed POTUS 44 meeting with dodgy agents acting on behalf of Russian interests via a Ukranian despot proxy.
YOU GOTTA LOVE THAT MUELLER FOUND COLLUSION , JUST WITH THE WRONG PRESIDENT.
And remember this is all pre 2014 Ukraine revolution.

The OBAMA administration is noted as being SYMPATHETIC to the Yanukovich Government, and OBAMA administration policy is engagement with Yanukovich, not in favour of sanctions,… the same Yanukovich currently in exile in Rusisa and wanted for Treason in the Ukraine.
Hilary and John Kerry names pop up as being pawns in this game.
 

Impeachment is looking further and further away, Muellers is playing all his aces and none of them
are a giving him a winning impeachment hand.  His best efforts now are to try and influence the mid-terms, that’s about all that this is.  

It shows the main stream media and the witch hunt for what it is, more concerned with someone WHO ISNT mentioned in the filings , than any of the above who ARE mentioned … click bait folks, enjoy it, but really its not going to disturb anyones weekend golf game.

you realise they're going after him with all his past **** to get him to flip on trump yes? he gives them dirt, they lessen his sentence. it ain't rocket science.

MadYaker

Which page is Obama mentioned on?

Edit: It seems Manafort tried to get some Jewish lobbyists to put pressure on Obama's admin to support Yanukovych. Here's the relevant section:

In addition to the law firm report, MANAFORT took other steps on behalf of the Government of Ukraine to tarnish Tymoshenko in the United States. In addition to disseminating
stories about her soliciting murder, noted above, in October 2012, MANAFORT orchestrated a
scheme to have, as he wrote in a contemporaneous communication, “[O]bama jews” put pressure
on the Administration to disavow Tymoshenko and support Yanukovych. MANAFORT sought
to undermine United States support for Tymoshenko by spreading stories in the United States that
a senior Cabinet official (who had been a prominent critic of Yanukovych’s treatment of
Tymoshenko) was supporting anti-Semitism because the official supported Tymoshenko, who in
turn had formed a political alliance with a Ukraine party that espoused anti-Semitic
views. MANAFORT coordinated privately with a senior Israeli government official to issue a
written statement publicizing this story. MANAFORT then, with secret advance knowledge of
that Israeli statement, worked to disseminate this story in the United States, writing to Person D1
“I have someone pushing it on the NY Post. Bada bing bada boom.” MANAFORT sought to have
the Administration understand that “the Jewish community will take this out on Obama on election
day if he does nothing.” MANAFORT then told his United States lobbyist to inform the
Administration that Ukraine had worked to prevent the Administration’s presidential opponent
from including damaging language in the Israeli statement, so as not to harm the Administration,
and thus further ingratiate Yanukovych with the Administration.

UsedToWait

Just to revel in this news today, I'd like to rewind to:

Unndicted Co-conspirator #1 wrote:

“I know all about flipping, for 30, 40 years, I’ve been watching flippers,”
..
“If you can say something bad about Donald Trump and you will go down to two years or three years, which is the deal he made, in all fairness to him, most people are going to do that,”

MadYaker

Those court documents make for interesting reading. Manafort is shady as fcuk in so many ways. Did Trump do any looking into this guy's background before hiring him? If he knew all of what Manafort was up to over the previous few years and still hired him regardless that should be extremely worring for any Trump supporter.

Just read Rigolo's post there.... his perspective is certainly interesting. It really seems like it's moving closer and closer to Trump albeit in small steps. Obama's admin picking sides in a power struggle in a nation that the US has always had considerable interest in is hardly unusual or incriminating I would think, at least no more so than his admins support of the islamist groups who eventually went on to form ISIS. That was a much larger mistake imo.

The most shocking for me reading all this is just how much dirt manafort was involved in.