Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

BoJack Horseman

listermint wrote: »

But it's misinformation

Lister, my love... this is a screengrab from MSNBC

Check twitter.

The media can't be wrong!

PopePalpatine

listermint wrote: »

The poster knows the voting is not closed this is an attempt to push voters to the republican. He's spreading this misinformation in Ireland god knows why.

But it's misinformation

Here's a fun bit of homework - if you're on a desktop/laptop, right-click the image and then copy & paste the URL.

dr.fuzzenstein

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Here's a fun bit of homework - if you're on a desktop/laptop, right-click the image and then copy & paste the URL.

More Russian meddling!

mcmoustache

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

First result is in, from MSNBC.

Socialist & hater of Israel, Andrew Gillum is the new Governor of Florida in a narrow outcome.

Why are you posting stuff from Russia Today?

mcmoustache

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Lister, my love... this is a screengrab from MSNBC

Check twitter.

The media can't be wrong!

Just checked my twitter. Nothing like that to be found, unfortunately. Maybe I'm not following enough disinformation accounts.

Rhineshark

I looked it up and found an MSNBC apology for it or st least a reported one. Is it possible that Russia Today could have reported on the MSNBC screw up and that screenshot has since been shared?

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5be16786e4b09d43e3228bbf

relax carry on

The Twatter in Chief is being remarkably sedate on Twitter today. Just some get out and vote my good friend (insert name here) great guy, tremendous etc. Wonder will it stay that way if things don't go his way.

VonZan

It will be interesting to see if Florida does flip both seats in opposite directions as some are predicting. Hard to believe that will happen but it would be absolutely absurd.

Rhineshark

While I am hoping the Democrats retake the House, I'm unsure how I am regarding interpreting the results. There has been large scale voter suppression and at the least grossly negligent behaviour towards securing voting machines, particularly in states where those responsible for it are Republican, the party recent beneficiaries of foreign interference. along with a continued social media misinformation campaign (seperate to the admin's misinformation campaign).

Georgia is ridiculous and given the man responsible is running for governer, jaw-dropping that it's being allowed. This is banana republic league. And that's before the natural (that they start off behind for Senate) and unnatural (gerrymandering) disadvantages. If the Democrats win it's an alliance of disapproval for the current admin/candidate (Cruz and Kemp notably vulnerable) and Dem/left for other reasons. If the Republicans win, it will be trumpeted as a resounding mandate but the deck is stacked.

At the same time, if Trump is stymied in domestic politics, he'll retreat to foreign policy where he has broad powers. One way or the other we'll continue to live in interesting times. Although is the Dems don't take it back, America the lunatic-lead superpower continues to crazy the world anyway and will be harder to dislodge.

Dohnjoe

Switching off the news, going to wake up tomorrow and check the damage. Expectations aren't high.

Headshot

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Switching off the news, going to wake up tomorrow and check the damage. Expectations aren't high.

Yup i'm in the same boat. I just cant bare watching it just incase

pixelburp

I suspect the Democrats will take congress, but that the majority won't be as barnstorming as many might expect / hope. It's quite something how disorganised and chaotic the voting process is in the US is. Whether it's intentional, malevolent or whatever, it's most certainly a mess.

PropJoe10

Not looking great for the Dems, is it? Or whats the general feeling?

Manic Moran

Way too early. It’s not even 8pm here in Texas.

FrostyJack

Manic Moran wrote: »

Way too early. It’s not even 8pm here in Texas.

What do you think of Mattis being kicked out? I know he is generally liked by the services to put it mildly. Is that negative on Trump or Bolton running the show. To show my hand it is the beginning of the end for us as the last adult leaves the Whitehouse.

dr.fuzzenstein

It's already started:

Rep. Elijah Cummings, who is set to be chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in the Democratic majority, told CNN that he plans to use his committee in a thorough and methodical way to answer a range of issues that Republicans have ignored.

He also expressed interest in seeking President Trump's tax returns to determine whether there are conflicts with the emoluments clause of the Constitution, which prohibits federal officials from receiving gifts from foreign governments without the consent of Congress.

Also

"Right now, we have a President who is accountable to no one," he said, adding that, "My plan is to use the subpoena as a method of last resort."

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-day-2018/index.html

edit: rep? He's dem, or am I misinterpreting that.

Trigger

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

It's already started:



Also



https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-day-2018/index.html

edit: rep? He's dem, or am I misinterpreting that.

Rep would stand for Representative

Manic Moran

FrostyJack wrote: »

Manic Moran wrote: »

Way too early. It’s not even 8pm here in Texas.

What do you think of Mattis being kicked out? I know he is generally liked by the services to put it mildly. Is that negative on Trump or Bolton running the show. To show my hand it is the beginning of the end for us as the last adult leaves the Whitehouse.

Wait, what? I can’t find any such report in the morass of election results. Is that a hypothetical, or did I miss something?

dr.fuzzenstein

astradave wrote: »

Rep would stand for Representative

Thanks, thought as much.
Looks like there will be more heat on Trump.

20Cent

Some sanity at last.
Get Trumps tax returns, hold him to account and hold him back.
Pity about Beto O'Rourke though he's make a great President.

Christy42

The Trump administration is now a lame duck. Doing much of anything will require careful negotiation with people who is not politically obligated to get a deal at all costs. Most presidents have been able to deal with this scenario but I am not sure Trump can.

The last two years have seen his repeated failure to be able negotiate with people who disagree with him. In fact he has struggled with those that do agree with him.

Still I could see him being very happy. Expect everything to be blamed on the house from now on in. Republicans will be able to unite far more as Democrats will protect them from consequences. (See repeated votes to repeal Obamacare when Obama protected them from the consequences, as soon as he left they fell to pieces on the issue).

kilns

I have to say this could not have gone any better from a Republican/Trump perspective.  The new big white hopes of the Democrats, who were known internationally have been defeated and they have increased their majority in the senate and even though as expected they lost the house it was not a landslide.  States like Florida show that Trump still has sway down there (it is the first time in 100 years that Republicans hold both senate seats in Florida).  
A recession is coming and it will most likely hit before 2020 and it will be devastating due to Trumps policies, however, he will now be able to shift the blame to the Dems claiming they have blocked everything he has tried to do and the ordinary voter will hear this and could turn on the Dems come 2020.  So it that case the Dems need to be smart, they need to work with Trump on many things to negate this claim he will make while at the same time subpeona his tax returns etc. It will be a fine balancing act however I dont think Pelosi is up to it.
The Dems need to be very careful who they pick for 2020 now too, as its going to be someone who can win the mid-west for them (which will win the Presidency) they cant pick a devisive figure that Trump can pick a part.  There is no real outstanding who can be the opposite of Trump but also appeal to the mid-west voters.  I suspect they will go with Biden

circadian

This is a big gain by the Dems but they need to use it to full effect. Block everything this Administration puts forward and start to put pressure on Trump and his cronies.

The Dems need someone to be the face now, someone that can take the inevitable heat from the Republicans. I don't think Pelosi or one of the usual suspects will cut it here, they need someone with bite who isn't afraid to get dirty.

Igotadose

Christy42 wrote: »

The Trump administration is now a lame duck. Doing much of anything will require careful negotiation with people who is not politically obligated to get a deal at all costs. Most presidents have been able to deal with this scenario but I am not sure Trump can.

The last two years have seen his repeated failure to be able negotiate with people who disagree with him. In fact he has struggled with those that do agree with him.

Still I could see him being very happy. Expect everything to be blamed on the house from now on in. Republicans will be able to unite far more as Democrats will protect them from consequences. (See repeated votes to repeal Obamacare when Obama protected them from the consequences, as soon as he left they fell to pieces on the issue).

Until Trump's gone, it's impossible to be optimistic about US politics, but I'm less pessimistic - imagine if the tGOP had retained the House.

Here's to hoping Mueller's probe lights things up. It feels good to know that Dana Rohrabacher is gone, that Darrell Issa's gone, and others. Too bad Marsha Blackburn won, she was a dreadful Congresswoman and will be an awful Senator. Anti-choice, climate change denying (while she ran the Energy committee in the House), etc. etc.

Penn

Igotadose wrote: »

Here's to hoping Mueller's probe lights things up.

That's it. He's been quiet because of the unwritten rule about not revealing stuff before an election, but now that the election is done and the Dems have taken at least the House (as in, it was expected they'd take at least the House), the next week will likely have big reveals about the next steps in the Mueller investigation, but also we'll see if Trump will make any moves to try and end it.

The long-term implications of the midterms will be centered around Trump's taxes and what investigations the Dems can proceed with now that they control the House etc, but in the short-term, the Mueller investigation is likely to dominate the coming weeks.

Christy42

Igotadose wrote: »

Christy42 wrote: »

The Trump administration is now a lame duck. Doing much of anything will require careful negotiation with people who is not politically obligated to get a deal at all costs. Most presidents have been able to deal with this scenario but I am not sure Trump can.

The last two years have seen his repeated failure to be able negotiate with people who disagree with him. In fact he has struggled with those that do agree with him.

Still I could see him being very happy. Expect everything to be blamed on the house from now on in. Republicans will be able to unite far more as Democrats will protect them from consequences. (See repeated votes to repeal Obamacare when Obama protected them from the consequences, as soon as he left they fell to pieces on the issue).

Until Trump's gone, it's impossible to be optimistic about US politics, but I'm less pessimistic - imagine if the tGOP had retained the House.

Here's to hoping Mueller's probe lights things up. It feels good to know that Dana Rohrabacher is gone, that Darrell Issa's gone, and others. Too bad Marsha Blackburn won, she was a dreadful Congresswoman and will be an awful Senator. Anti-choice, climate change denying (while she ran the Energy committee in the House), etc. etc.

There is still a lot to be pessimistic about.

As someone said this was not a landslide in seats however it is a landslide at the polls. 9% for the Democrats is the latest estimate I heard which would be huge.

However they will have an advantage of 12? Seats. Will it be possible to keep up the enthusiasm all the time when people know their votes are not as valuable as in other parts of the country.

All that democrats have managed is to set themselves up to stall out the worst of this administration and it may cost them as fox and Trump try to pin all the blame on them.

B0jangles

https://twitter.com/mat_johnson/status/1060044120528310272

How is this supposed to be fair and democratic?

pixelburp

Yeah, the Dems got the blame even when Trump & the GOP had a majority in both Houses; you can guarantee that acrimony and blame is only going to go into override now. The Democrats will need a plan for basically becoming the bagman for every failed piece of legislation imaginable.

Jolly Red Giant

The political system in the US is 250 years old - it was designed to protect the interests of white property-owning men (the only people allowed to vote 250 years ago) and it still serves that purpose.

The donkey and the elephant are two cheeks of the same a*se. The Dems should be wiping the floor with Trump and the Republicans at the moment - they aren't because the represent the interests of corporate financial capital (which is in competition with 'old money' as represented by Trump). The Republicans know they are playing with fire in hitching their wagon to Trump - but they can afford to do it because they know the Democrats will not challenge the rule of elites.

The election that has just played out - particularly in the Senate race - was an election between two parties of corporate America. There were a very small number of left candidates in the House race - but the most important developments in the election yesterday was the significant increase in the number of left-wing candidates elected in state elections, particularly involving members of the Democratic Socialists of America - and the passing of a significant number of proposition amendments to protect the poor and those facing discrimination. The big question now is whether these left representatives can form a wider left alliance outside the corporate parties or will they capitulate to the enormous pressure that they are going to face from the corporate electoral system in the US.

Captain Obvious

B0jangles wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mat_johnson/status/1060044120528310272

How is this supposed to be fair and democratic?

I think it's clearly not. Fox "News" Hannity on stage with Trump at a rally? Polling stations in gated communities refusing entry to people. Black people being purged from ballots. Native Americans being refused votes. Polling machine "errors". Missing machines. Closed polling stations in poor areas. American elections are just theatre.