Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

Eric Cartman

B0jangles wrote: »

Were those the edited or unedited interviews? I know there were quite a few heavily edited versions of interviews she did that were doing the rounds on rightwing social media, but the editing was so obvious it's hard to believe anyone fell for it

The unedited ones, saw those edits but very obvious fakes, i doubt even a hillary supporter wouldnbe dumb enough to fall for them

Eric Cartman

Leroy42 wrote: »

So you are against Trump $12bn hand out to the farmers I assume?

Or what about the police. Surely that is simply the overall looking after the weak?
Or the military? Why should the people continue to fund others that can't defend themselves?
Or the fire service? You must hate all this hurricane relief efforts? Silly people shouldn't have lived near the water/coast?
And schools. It must drive you insane to see your tax dollars being used to educate others? Let people educate themselves.
And the roads? Getting everyone to contribute to a singular pot to build interconnections between cities thus helping better move? Although I assume you don't use the roads? Or railways? OR local parks? OR support your NFL team which probably had state funds to help build the stadium.

Socialism is everywhere, in everyones lives. People who claim they reject socialism actually mean they don't want to contribute, but they are fine to keep what they have.

Roads, fire brigade , etc is not socialism, a group of people just paying for a share in a resource is not socialism , thats the low hanging fruit, also private police fire and roads are common in parts of the world.

Ocasio Cortez is talking about an impossible minimum wage rate, stupid levels of welfare spending , handing out things for free that should not be etc.. not roads and schools and police.

BabyCheeses

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Roads, fire brigade , etc is not socialism, a group of people just paying for a share in a resource is not socialism , thats the low hanging fruit, also private police fire and roads are common in parts of the world.

Ocasio Cortez is talking about an impossible minimum wage rate, stupid levels of welfare spending , handing out things for free that should not be etc.. not roads and schools and police.

Handing out things like education and healthcare to poor people. Disgusting.

I get why you hate her and poor people but you have yet to explain what would make her far left by European standards. Instead you are being as vague as possible to drag out your derailing. 1 politician out of a group of over 400 and the end is nigh, anyone complains about the president and they are overreacting.

mcmoustache

B0jangles wrote: »

Aren't you still a Trump supporter? He literally cannot articulate a coherent sentence, let alone a policy or ideology.

He doesn't state his ideology. He dog-whistles it and his supporters understand what he means while at the same time pretend to his opponents that he means something else.

Trent Houseboat

Socialism I like isn't socialism.

Leroy42

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Roads, fire brigade , etc is not socialism, a group of people just paying for a share in a resource is not socialism , thats the low hanging fruit, also private police fire and roads are common in parts of the world.

What is it then? Capitalism? In the main, police etc are not private. There may be parts of it, but in the main they are not and any private security is on top of the socially provided version.

So I ask you again. Are you against Trump handing out $12bn of state aid to farmers? Are you against the military? What about your local parks? Or the roads?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Ocasio Cortez is talking about an impossible minimum wage rate, stupid levels of welfare spending , handing out things for free that should not be etc.. not roads and schools and police.

Trump has increased the national debt by how much, 17% in 1 year? Trump recently talked about an impossible 10% "middle earners tax cut". Apparently, they are working around the clock on this. Was gong to deliver it prior to the mid-terms. Where is the wall?

Trump gave corporate America a massive tax hand out. He has brought tariffs in to try to protect US industry, you know socialism.

Eric Cartman

BabyCheeses wrote: »

Handing out things like education and healthcare to poor people. Disgusting.

I get why you hate her and poor people but you have yet to explain what would make her far left by European standards. Instead you are being as vague as possible to drag out your derailing. 1 politician out of a group of over 400 and the end is nigh, anyone complains about the president and they are overreacting.

Nobody said the end is nigh, I just have an issue with how somebody who lacks experience and is so far away from the us's political ideals could be elected.

She stands with movements like BLM who oppose the police, she stands with movements whos lobbying for unionisation and higher minimum wages will actively damage her community . She is the PbP candidate flying a labour flag , paul murphy is an extremist in irish left wing politics, him and ocasio cortez line up on a lot of issues . Calling her moderate by anyones standards is a fallacy

everlast75

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Look up any interview with her, she cant even explain her own ideas without stuttering and contradicting herself, took 3 interviews of being asked what is socialism before a media trainer bet a coherent answer into her

Leroy42 wrote: »

What is it then? Capitalism? In the main, police etc are not private. There may be parts of it, but in the main they are not and any private security is on top of the socially provided version.



Trump has increased the national debt by how much, 17% in 1 year? Trump recently talked about an impossible 10% "middle earners tax cut". Apparently, they are working around the clock on this. Was gong to deliver it prior to the mid-terms. Where is the wall?

Trump gave corporate America a massive tax hand out. He has brought tariffs in to try to protect US industry, you know socialism.

It would appear that

Handouts to the Rich = good
Handouts to the Poor = bad

Tax Fraud by the Rich = no problem
Tax fraud by the poor = lock them up.

mcmoustache

Water John wrote: »

The term moderate left is what would be applied to her in any European country.

Whatever about how far she is to the left, she still has a fair bit to learn. I've heard her interviewed and she came across as lacking in certain areas. That being said, she's young and I've no doubt that she'll learn on the job. Also, she's not bad by the standards of Congress which does contain some seriously stupid people.

Christy42

Never mind that it looks like the democrats will win the popular vote by 9%. That is some Gerry meandering. I am sure those republicans who redrew the maps are getting nice bonuses right around now.

But yeah education and healthcare is not that crazy a stretch and works in Europe. Once it is in it will be impossible to get rid of due to it's benefits (see Obamacare becoming popular when they realised attempts to remove it might be more than grandstanding)

Eric Cartman

everlast75 wrote: »

It would appear that

Handouts to the Rich = good
Handouts to the Poor = bad

Tax Fraud by the Rich = no problem
Tax fraud by the poor = lock them up.

where did I agree to 'handouts for the rich' ?
where did I say to lock up poor people for avoiding tax ?

prawnsambo

Christy42 wrote: »

Never mind that it looks like the democrats will win the popular vote by 9%. That is some Gerry meandering. I am sure those republicans who redrew the maps are getting nice bonuses right around now.

That's not really something to get excited about. The majority of seats up for grabs in the senate were Democrat held seats. I think there was only 8 GOP seats up this time around. So it's perfectly explicable that the Dems would end up with a higher popular vote and still lose a couple of seats.

Eric Cartman

Leroy42 wrote: »

What is it then? Capitalism? In the main, police etc are not private. There may be parts of it, but in the main they are not and any private security is on top of the socially provided version.

So I ask you again. Are you against Trump handing out $12bn of state aid to farmers? Are you against the military? What about your local parks? Or the roads?



Trump has increased the national debt by how much, 17% in 1 year? Trump recently talked about an impossible 10% "middle earners tax cut". Apparently, they are working around the clock on this. Was gong to deliver it prior to the mid-terms. Where is the wall?

Trump gave corporate America a massive tax hand out. He has brought tariffs in to try to protect US industry, you know socialism.

Roads and parks can be funded by private business and included in the requirements for property development , I am against a handout to farmers, Militaries should be funded in a national defense aspect only.

Havockk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Nobody said the end is nigh, I just have an issue with how somebody who lacks experience and is so far away from the us's political ideals could be elected.

Says the guy who enthusiastically supports the election and presidency of a reality TV star and former failed businessman with zero political experience.

looksee

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Roads and parks can be funded by private business and included in the requirements for property development , I am against a handout to farmers, Militaries should be funded in a national defense aspect only.

But you would need a socialist (ish) government to ensure that happened, after all they are for the greater good - why should private business have to get involved in that?

Eric Cartman

Havockk wrote: »

Says the guy who enthusiastically supports the election and presidency of a reality TV star and former failed businessman with zero political experience.

As explained before, Im not an enthusiastic supporter, but he's better than the alternative. A lifetime in business, managing people and understanding how the economic side of the government works was experience.

Working part time in a restaurant to pay off student loans and reading karl murder marx book (or more likely the buzzfeed abridged version) does not count.

BabyCheeses

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Nobody said the end is nigh, I just have an issue with how somebody who lacks experience and is so far away from the us's political ideals could be elected.

No you don't. Nobody is stupid enough to believe this.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

She stands with movements like BLM who oppose the police, she stands with movements whos lobbying for unionisation and higher minimum wages will actively damage her community . She is the PbP candidate flying a labour flag , paul murphy is an extremist in irish left wing politics, him and ocasio cortez line up on a lot of issues . Calling her moderate by anyones standards is a fallacy

Im surprised you are supportive of the state killing citizens.

You're just listing stuff that many first world countries have had for years. Have yet to see what is extreme by Irish standards. What is she calling for that we don't already have? You are coming across more extremist than her.

Eric Cartman

looksee wrote: »

But you would need a socialist (ish) government to ensure that happened, after all they are for the greater good - why should private business have to get involved in that?

All government is not necessarily socialist, if thats your logic then democracy by its nature is socialist which isnt the case. It is possible to have a small government and a limited set of rules and be nowhere near socialist but still achieve everything.

Sure the US had no income tax before 1913 and its not like they were short of roads and police.

Christy42

prawnsambo wrote: »

Christy42 wrote: »

Never mind that it looks like the democrats will win the popular vote by 9%. That is some Gerry meandering. I am sure those republicans who redrew the maps are getting nice bonuses right around now.

That's not really something to get excited about. The majority of seats up for grabs in the senate were Democrat held seats. I think there was only 8 GOP seats up this time around. So it's perfectly explicable that the Dems would end up with a higher popular vote and still lose a couple of seats.

In the house not the senate. It is a pretty big margin.

Havockk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

As explained before, Im not an enthusiastic supporter, but he's better than the alternative. A lifetime in business, managing people and understanding how the economic side of the government works was experience.

Working part time in a restaurant to pay off student loans and reading karl murder marx book (or more likely the buzzfeed abridged version) does not count.

It's hypocrisy. I can see right through you, I know there is no point debating you. You're just another symptom of the deeper societal malaise we find ourselves in today.

amandstu

Christy42 wrote: »

In the house not the senate. It is a pretty big margin.

What could be done to ensure such large margins in the popular vote are reflected more closely in the results?

Leroy42

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Roads and parks can be funded by private business and included in the requirements for property development , I am against a handout to farmers, Militaries should be funded in a national defense aspect only.

Yes they can be funded privately, but Central Park? Yellow Stone Park? And who funded the roads to get there.

You see, the scary socialism that you seem so against is actually all around you.

You are against a minimum wage? You think people should work for whatever? Do you think there should be any standards in working conditions?

You are against handouts to farmers, so Trump is a socialist in your eyes? Why not the same opium towards him?

National defense? Why should someone look after your defense. You have access to guns, deal with it yourself. So a group effort on defense is a good thing, but not on education, or health care?

Panrich

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Nobody said the end is nigh, I just have an issue with how somebody who lacks experience and is so far away from the us's political ideals could be elected.

Well without dwelling on the irony of this statement, at least she’s not in a position of real autonomous power to implement unsuitable policies.

everlast75

Eric Cartman wrote: »

where did I agree to 'handouts for the rich' ?

you don't have a problem with Trump's tax bill.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

where did I say to lock up poor people for avoiding tax ?

Psst. Check your signature!

prawnsambo

Christy42 wrote: »

In the house not the senate. It is a pretty big margin.

How does that margin reflect in number of seats won. On conservative estimates, the Dems have won a margin of > 5% of seats on offer.

Eric Cartman

Havockk wrote: »

It's hypocrisy. I can see right through you, I know there is no point debating you. You're just another symptom of the deeper societal malaise we find ourselves in today.

Is this just a fancy way of saying you hate middle class straight white men, because newsflash buddy - we run everything.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yes they can be funded privately, but Central Park? Yellow Stone Park? And who funded the roads to get there.

You see, the scary socialism that you seem so against is actually all around you.

You are against a minimum wage? You think people should work for whatever? Do you think there should be any standards in working conditions?

You are against handouts to farmers, so Trump is a socialist in your eyes? Why not the same opium towards him?

National defense? Why should someone look after your defense. You have access to guns, deal with it yourself. So a group effort on defense is a good thing, but not on education, or health care?

Lots of countries don't have a minimum wage, it removes the bottom rungs from the income ladder, Germany doesn't have a minimum wage.

Being against one policy and one policy existing neither makes trump a socialist nor me against him.

"you have access to guns , deal with it yourself" or "I'll earn money for the things I'm good at and use that money to pay for somebody else to do the things they're good at" , good ol capitalism.

Pelvis

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Working part time in a restaurant to pay off student loans and reading karl murder marx book (or more likely the buzzfeed abridged version) does not count.

Whether or not you agree with Marxist theory, when you write stuff like this you only highlight your ignorance, and make yourself look like a complete simpleton.

Honestly, it sounds like something Trump would say, and we all know how many books he's read.

Eric Cartman

everlast75 wrote: »

you don't have a problem with Trump's tax bill.



Psst. Check your signature!

I have already stated I have an issue with the handout to farmers, who else is he giving money to ?

thats not tax avoidance by the poor, thats straight up theft.

Stealing from a shop is a crime, not fulfilling a supply order to a shop is not a crime, even if they were expecting the order or demanding it, not delivering that order is not a crime, especially when they're not going to pay you for it.

Leroy42

Eric Cartman wrote: »

"you have access to guns , deal with it yourself" or "I'll earn money for the things I'm good at and use that money to pay for somebody else to do the things they're good at" , good ol capitalism.

Which you have already said you don't agree with. You want the state to look after the military. Everyone, whether they agree with it or not, must contribute in whatever way the state has decreed.

And in terms of the Farmers handout, I fail to see how to can be so against the likes of Cortez for talking about state subvention, yet support a POTUS that has actually just given away $12bn in state subvention.

I am sorry, but with such a hypocritical position you cannot be taken seriously on your views about Cortez.

dr.fuzzenstein

pixelburp wrote: »

Yeah, the Dems got the blame even when Trump & the GOP had a majority in both Houses; you can guarantee that acrimony and blame is only going to go into override now. The Democrats will need a plan for basically becoming the bagman for every failed piece of legislation imaginable.

Dems always get the blame regardless, so that can't be a concern.
There is a constant barrage of fake news propaganda and hate towards them from Trump, the GOP, Fox and a million online trolls. It is endless and relentless.
Little of it has to do with facts, it's merely stoking hatred.