Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

ECO_Mental

I think the Dems will be slow to impeach the Orange one and it could be a bad move. (they cant anyway with no control in the senate) They have control now of lot of committees and subpoena powers to get lots of info. Number 1 Trumps tax returns.

Let this this fester over the next 2 years, let all the dirt come out, lets see all the corruption, the money laundering, the treasonous communications with the Russians, let Mueller jail Trump Jr, Stone, and all his cronies The presidential elections are starting NOW and Trump is going to be the nominee for the GOP. Let the GOP squirm and defend Trump with scandal after scandal over the next two years. Let them deal with the s**t show and rot them from the inside.

Worst case scenario is Trump is gone in the morning, because Pence will get elected in 2020 if that's the case. As it is Trump wont get elected in 2020 and it will be a Dem POTUS again with control over the senate as well.

dr.fuzzenstein

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Is this just a fancy way of saying you hate middle class straight white men, because newsflash buddy - we run everything.

Newsflash buddy, me old pal, you don't anymore.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/historic-firsts-midterms/index.html

Washington (CNN) From a pair of Native American women to a Somali refugee to the first openly gay man elected governor, the 2018 midterm elections brought a series of history-making votes that marked major accomplishments for women and LGBT candidates.

Stallingrad

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Stealing from a shop is a crime.

Where do you stand on a billionaire not paying small business who supply him with products and services?

And this is only one who had the courage to come forward.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Lots of countries don't have a minimum wage, it removes the bottom rungs from the income ladder,

How many countries with no minimum wage would you want to live in on the median wage?

Germany doesn't have a minimum wage.

Ah, there's one. But that doesn't seem true from a quick google.

Eric Cartman

Leroy42 wrote: »

Which you have already said you don't agree with. You want the state to look after the military. Everyone, whether they agree with it or not, must contribute in whatever way the state has decreed.

And in terms of the Farmers handout, I fail to see how to can be so against the likes of Cortez for talking about state subvention, yet support a POTUS that has actually just given away $12bn in state subvention.

I am sorry, but with such a hypocritical position you cannot be taken seriously on your views about Cortez.

I always have and continue to object to government spending and the restriction of personal freedom. I have disagreed with the famrers handout every time its been brought up , as explained I support trump considering the alternative, Ron Paul would be my personal pick for president given a chance but thats obviously not happening any time soon.

I fail to see any hypocrisy in opposing the woman who's policies are only restrictions of freedom and increased government spending

listermint

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I have already stated I have an issue with the handout to farmers, who else is he giving money to ?

thats not tax avoidance by the poor, thats straight up theft.

Stealing from a shop is a crime, not fulfilling a supply order to a shop is not a crime, even if they were expecting the order or demanding it, not delivering that order is not a crime, especially when they're not going to pay you for it.

Major Multinationals.

Billions in fact.

Eric Cartman

listermint wrote: »

Major Multinationals.

Billions in fact.

how is he giving them money (genuine question )
n.b. tax cuts are not 'giving them money'

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

How many countries with no minimum wage would you want to live in on the median wage?

Ah, there's one. But that doesn't seem true from a quick google.

Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Norway and Switzerland don't have a minimum wage, although a lot of them have unions and other bodies pulling tricks.

I wouldnt want to live in any country on the median wage, I work far too hard for that.

dr.fuzzenstein

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Lots of countries don't have a minimum wage, it removes the bottom rungs from the income ladder, Germany doesn't have a minimum wage.

And that is a straight out lie.

https://www.expatica.com/de/employment/minimum-wage-germany-average-salary-germany_995112.html

Leroy42

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I fail to see any hypocrisy in opposing the woman who's policies are only restrictions of freedom and increased government spending

Because Trump has done exactly that yet you still support him. He wants to restrict freedom of the press. He wants to stop NFL players from kneeling. He wants to restrict abortion, even access to information.

He happily gives billions of dollars in increased government spending. Everything you claim to be against, Trump is for yet you feel it right to blame others.

listermint

Eric Cartman wrote: »

how is he giving them money (genuine question )
n.b. tax cuts are not 'giving them money'

Oh but it is. You dont think giving massive tax cuts is giving companies money ?


:rolleyes:

dr.fuzzenstein

Stallingrad wrote: »

Where do you stand on a billionaire not paying small business who supply him with products and services?

And this is only one who had the courage to come forward.

Cartman is ignoring this so hard, I think I heard a vein pop.

Jolly Red Giant

Eric Cartman wrote: »

n.b. tax cuts are not 'giving them money'

With all due respect - that is exactly what it is.

And the US Treasury Dept estimate the cost over the next ten years will be $2.3trillion - practically all of it into the pocket of the richest in US society.

Eric Cartman

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Cartman is ignoring this so hard, I think I heard a vein pop.

Not really, businessman stiffs creditors, its not good, its happened to me, im not a fan of it. Ive never said trump was a demo god or above criticism, Still best of a bad lot at the current time period.

Mancomb Seepgood

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Norway and Switzerland don't have a minimum wage, although a lot of them have unions and other bodies pulling tricks.

If by "pulling tricks" you mean unions with strong collective bargaining rights negotiating on behalf of their members,then yes they do.

Eric Cartman

listermint wrote: »

Oh but it is. You dont think giving massive tax cuts is giving companies money ?


:rolleyes:

letting companies keep money that they earned by providing goods and services is not the same as giving them money.

You say this like a bully stealing a kids lunch money every day , forgets one day , wpuld you say "ohh the bully gave that kid money that day"

rossie1977

There is a place where you don't pay tax and government funds nothing..it's called Somalia! It's a libertarian paradise I hear.

A country where every school, hospital, road/motorway/bridge, library, police force, firefighters, street lighting, water/sewer and park system in private hands would be nothing short of disastrous.

listermint

Eric Cartman wrote: »

letting companies keep money that they earned by providing goods and services is not the same as giving them money.

You say this like a bully stealing a kids lunch money every day , forgets one day , wpuld you say "ohh the bully gave that kid money that day"

Oh jesus wept..

Taking money out of the tax base and giving it back to business , business who relies on the infrastructure provided by the tax base IS giving money back to business.

You are a liar at this point, you have so much mental gymnastics to get across any sort of point that is hard to keep up.

I actually dont know what your leanings are politically because they are absolutely all over the place.

Pelvis

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Norway and Switzerland don't have a minimum wage, although a lot of them have unions and other bodies pulling tricks.

I wouldnt want to live in any country on the median wage, I work far too hard for that.

While no general minimum wage, companies in many of those countries have to commit to a minimum wage depending on industry, age and experience of the employee. This is often negotiated with.... UNIONS!

Bloody socialists...

Eric Cartman

rossie1977 wrote: »

There is a place where you don't pay tax and government funds nothing..it's called Somalia! It's a libertarian paradise I hear.

A country where every school, hospital, road/motorway/bridge, library, police force, firefighters, street lighting, water/sewer and park system in private hands would be nothing short of disastrous.

the problem with paradises like that is that eventually you get them working well and then the natives scream colonialism and world bodies put pressure on you to give them 'back' their land and then they ruin it again and they become crime ridden hellholes, Ala South Africa / Rhodesia.

Eric Cartman

listermint wrote: »

Oh jesus wept..

Taking money out of the tax base and giving it back to business , business who relies on the infrastructure provided by the tax base IS giving money back to business.

You are a liar at this point, you have so much mental gymnastics to get across any sort of point that is hard to keep up.

I actually dont know what your leanings are politically because they are absolutely all over the place.

I like how we have an entire thread with thousands of posts about what the horrors of a big government being controlled by the wrong person can do, everyone here is just saying that the solution is to change who controls the big government, my solution is less government and I'm the bad man.

Christy42

prawnsambo wrote: »

Christy42 wrote: »

In the house not the senate. It is a pretty big margin.

How does that margin reflect in number of seats won. On conservative estimates, the Dems have won a margin of > 5% of seats on offer.

First past the post gives a massive advantage to the party getting more votes. (That also should change).

Republicans got 247 on about 6% victory at the polls in 2014. That was considered a big win.

Now Democrats win by 9% and get about 233? That hardly seems fair. I mean it isn't and was designed that way. Democrats had to get about 6% victory at the polls to simply break even on seats.

Honestly with this and how the urban/rural divide is and Hilary's loss in the election I expect a lot more scrutiny on US elections. It is incredibly biased away from some segments of society who don't get as much of a vote.

dr.fuzzenstein

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Not really, businessman stiffs creditors, its not good, its happened to me, im not a fan of it. Ive never said trump was a demo god or above criticism, Still best of a bad lot at the current time period.

This is where we may fundamentally disagree. I cannot think of a worse candidate. Clinton would have been a seasoned, professional politician with years of experience and her husband could certainly have contributed the odd morsel of personal wisdom to her presidency. Some of us remember he did quite well, as did the economy under him. (ever noticed that massive crashes are always caused by republicans and their mad spending sprees and loose fiscal policies?)
Trump is a troll god, a flamethrower, a rat-catcher and a deeply dishonest und dishonorable individual.
He just throws grenades into the room and lets other dodge them.
The only reason there is anything coherent coming from his administration is because he has people who read the tea-leaves and try to ascertain what Trump could have meant with his latest outburst and then they try to spin it or base some kind of policy on it.

Best example:
Trump says "I want a pizza". Someone hears this order, phones up the restaurant, they make the pizza, someone delivers it and an aide brings it to him.
Trump then presents eveyone this pizza as entirely his creation.
When the restaurant says "well, actually, we made this pizza", they are dismissed as fake news.

Leroy42

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I like how we have an entire thread with thousands of posts about what the horrors of a big government being controlled by the wrong person can do, everyone here is just saying that the solution is to change who controls the big government, my solution is less government and I'm the bad man.

No, your point is not to reduce government. Your solution is to reduce government in the areas you don't agree with but to very much keep it in the areas that you like.

So you are fine with military spending, I assume police, disaster relief. You are against spending on the farmers, but not enough to actually call Trump out on it or waiver in your support.

Mancomb Seepgood

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the problem with paradises like that is that eventually you get them working well and then the natives scream colonialism and world bodies put pressure on you to give them 'back' their land and then they ruin it again and they become crime ridden hellholes, Ala South Africa / Rhodesia.

The mask slips.

amandstu

What strategy should be employed to prevent the Democratic Majority in the House of Representatives being given the blame when (if?) the economy tanks as it is ,so I hear massively over borrowed which has caused it to soar till now but which must come to an end surely at some stage?

Jolly Red Giant

listermint wrote: »

Oh jesus wept..

Taking money out of the tax base and giving it back to business , business who relies on the infrastructure provided by the tax base IS giving money back to business.

You are a liar at this point, you have so much mental gymnastics to get across any sort of point that is hard to keep up.

I actually dont know what your leanings are politically because they are absolutely all over the place.

Businesses who also rely on an educated workforce (we are constantly told about how crucial it is) - businesses that rely on a healthy workforce (which is why most companies offer health insurance as part of an employees benefit package) - businesses that rely on social stability that won't disrupt the business cycle etc.

Any right-winger that argues that businesses should not pay tax (or very little tax) and should leave 90% of the population to be hung out to dry is an idiot - because their approach would lead to a disintegrating economy and widespread social unrest (something that is not particularly good for business).

Christy42

prawnsambo wrote: »

Christy42 wrote: »

In the house not the senate. It is a pretty big margin.

How does that margin reflect in number of seats won. On conservative estimates, the Dems have won a margin of > 5% of seats on offer.

First past the post gives a massive advantage to the party getting more votes. (That also should change).Republicans got 247 on about 6% victory at the polls in 2014. That was considered a big win.Now Democrats win by 9% and get about 233? That hardly seems fair. I mean it isn't and was designed that way. Democrats had to get about 6% victory at the polls to simply break even on seats.Honestly with this and how the urban/rural divide is and Hilary's loss in the election I expect a lot more scrutiny on US elections. It is incredibly biased away from some segments of society who don't get as much of a vote.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

listermint wrote: »

Oh jesus wept..

Taking money out of the tax base and giving it back to business , business who relies on the infrastructure provided by the tax base IS giving money back to business.

You are a liar at this point, you have so much mental gymnastics to get across any sort of point that is hard to keep up.

I actually dont know what your leanings are politically because they are absolutely all over the place.

I like how we have an entire thread with thousands of posts about what the horrors of a big government being controlled by the wrong person can do, everyone here is just saying that the solution is to change who controls the big government, my solution is less government and I'm the bad man.

Err no. We want spread out government not in the hands of a single perosn. Preferably not bought and paid for by corporations. Less government simply shifts the power over to rich people/corporations. Not helpful.

Largely what people have been arguing for is a European model.

Less corporate influence. Less politicians drawing up their own constituencies and less purging of the electorate and all the other nonsense that went on. How did they have people queueing for hours after polls closed in Nevada? How is set up that badly? It is something you see in pretend democracies a lot but rarely in actual Democratic countries.
Never waited more than a half hour in Ireland.

BabyCheeses

listermint wrote: »

Oh jesus wept..

Taking money out of the tax base and giving it back to business , business who relies on the infrastructure provided by the tax base IS giving money back to business.

You are a liar at this point, you have so much mental gymnastics to get across any sort of point that is hard to keep up.

I actually dont know what your leanings are politically because they are absolutely all over the place.

American libertarian is probably the closest.

Also known as a non religious republican. It's full of people who are all for personal freedom and lower spending but will just shrug at everything the republicans do that goes against it. If it doesn't cost them money they couldn't care less.

Jolly Red Giant

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

The mask slips.

+1

And how many dictators did the US put into power in the 'sh*tholes' on the African continent (and many other places as well).