Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

Dohnjoe

mcmoustache wrote: »

It's only a tradition to keep it at half-mast until the funeral for sitting senators. The requirement is 2 days, I think.

That being said, it's a dick move and it'll be interesting to hear how the decision was made, given how much this WH leaks.

Trump kept it at half mast until Laura Bush's funeral. There's an unspoken principle of keeping it at half mast until funeral of any major senator or figure that passes away

It's extreme pettiness

mcmoustache

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Trump kept it at half mast until Laura Bush's funeral. There's an unspoken principle of keeping it at half mast until funeral of any major senator or figure that passes away

It's extreme pettiness

I completely agree. This is nothing but him being petty.

Sad Professor

Trump, destroyer of norms, strikes again!

Tbh if this latest instance of norm erosion means the next president won’t have to lower the flag when Trump dies (roaring hopefully), I’m fine with it.

Christy42

2 Scoops wrote: »

Unsurprisingly, Cohen's lawyer has walked back the claims he made. If Cohen was Trump's "fixer" and is willing to reveal anything to keep himself out of jail, this just sows further doubt in my mind that there was some grand conspiracy. It's strike 6 or 7 now and with everyone of these so called bombshells, the stories have turned out to be untrue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/attorney-for-michael-cohen-backs-away-from-confidence-that-cohen-has-information-about-trumps-knowledge-on-russian-efforts/2018/08/26/09d7f26e-a876-11e8-97ce-cc9042272f07_story.html

He was asked the following by Anderson Cooper on CNN.

“So Michael Cohen does not have information that President Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians beforehand or even after?” CNN’s Anderson Cooper asked Davis.

“No, he does not,” Davis said.

Wait do you mean to say that the story that Trump paid off pornstars to keep them quiet before the election is untrue (and didn't declare it as part of campaign financing)? I mean you said everyone and Cohen has said two things (in fact all he has said so far himself is the pornstar bit)?

Anyway these bombshells go through a few swings and roundabouts. You just need to hold out hope (like I am doing for proof about the birther conspiracy or the proof that Russia were not involved in the 2016 election- both were promised).

Seriously though Cohen will only get immunity based on what he can back up. People know he is a liar (see past associates really). It is a serial liar vs the man he hired to help him lie and deal with stuff. I am happy to see what he claims but won't be taking his word for it.

Igotadose

pixelburp wrote: »

Say what you will about his politics - and indeed the politics of John McCain - but Trumps pettiness as a man is there for all to see in these actions. His petty, self-absorbed nature is so incurable, so without the contrarian voice of a partner or friend that he can't show the smallest modicum of dignity and respect at this most human of events. Even that's too much to ask, and indulges in a brattish F*** You to McCain and his family - even his tweet contains a picture of Trump and tone-deaf exclamation point.

Yet, 90% of the GOP polled approve of him. 90%. So, he can count on 90% of the tGOP vote in the next election. He really could shoot infants on 5th avenue while screaming praises to Mohammed and his cult45 members wouldn't bat an eyelash.

badtoro

pixelburp wrote: »

Say what you will about his politics - and indeed the politics of John McCain - but Trumps pettiness as a man is there for all to see in these actions. His petty, self-absorbed nature is so incurable, so without the contrarian voice of a partner or friend that he can't show the smallest modicum of dignity and respect at this most human of events. Even that's too much to ask, and indulges in a brattish F*** You to McCain and his family - even his tweet contains a picture of Trump and tone-deaf exclamation point.

Trump, petty?

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1034108575289954306?s=19

Worse than a hungry 4 year old.

looksee

I don't know much about the technicalities of reading body language, but his hunched shoulders and crossed arms seem to say a lot about his attitude to press/other people. Anyone with any self awareness at all would have schooled themself out of doing it.

Call me Al

looksee wrote: »

I don't know much about the technicalities of reading body language, but his hunched shoulders and crossed arms seem to say a lot about his attitude to press/other people. Anyone with any self awareness at all would have schooled themself out of doing it.

He does this all of the time. I've also seen him rock himself side to side whilst doing it too.

It's essentially a form of self-soothing. He's giving himself a big hug to calm himself and make himself feel better. He does it ALL the time when he's feeling under pressure. His body language leaks basic stuff like this.

Itssoeasy

Surely this must be if not a first then a very rare occurrence. A sitting US president is having to be shamed into lowering the flag on the White House and to sign a proclamation about John McCain which would allow flags to stay lowered until Sunday. The flags on the White House and I think it's the old executive office building are not lowered while others are.

Even his daughter Ivanka was able to praise John McCain yet the child in the Oval Office is having a sulk because people liked John McCain better than him and McCain didn't geneflect to Trump.

jooksavage

Igotadose wrote: »

Yet, 90% of the GOP polled approve of him. 90%. So, he can count on 90% of the tGOP vote in the next election. He really could shoot infants on 5th avenue while screaming praises to Mohammed and his cult45 members wouldn't bat an eyelash.

The Republican party is shrinking though. Just over quarter of polled Americans identify as Republicans now. Dems are at 30% and independents are over 40%. Trump might be doing it for staunch Rs but his popularity is through the floor with the other two groups.

pixelburp

jooksavage wrote: »

The Republican party is shrinking though. Just over quarter of polled Americans identify as Republicans now. Dems are at 30% and independents are over 40%. Trump might be doing it for staunch Rs but his popularity is through the floor with the other two groups.

Shrinking perhaps, but with increasing voter supression policies and gerrymandering happening across various districts, there's a very real situation of (predominantly) Republicans skewing elections.

Itssoeasy

The US flag at the White House has been lowered. Trump released a statement that was full of inaccurate stuff. He said he admired Sen. McCain for his service despite him thinking he wasn't a war hero because he got caught.

mcmoustache

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The US flag at the White House has been lowered. Trump released a statement that was full of inaccurate stuff. He said he admired Sen. McCain for his service despite him thinking he wasn't a war hero because he got caught.

There must have been an intervention. I don't think he'll be too happy on the twitter shítter tomorrow.

UsedToWait

mcmoustache wrote: »

There must have been an intervention. I don't think he'll be too happy on the twitter shítter tomorrow.

From the American Legion it seems, though he did apparently decline a non-flag related 'intervention' from his New York cronies


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/donald-trump-nuts-rejects-war-council-intervention-goes-it-alone

aloyisious

There might be a hint of a move against Don from within the GOP. The Irish Times has a 30 minute-old report that John Weaver, a republican political advisor to George Bush Snr and John McCain has commented that the US voters must unite under a "moderate" to oust Trump. It doesn't specify where the "moderate" is to come from.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/us-voters-must-unite-under-moderate-to-oust-trump-key-republican-1.3609398

I don't have a twitter account so John Weavers account might be accessed by some-one who has one. I googled for info on Mr Weaver and the link below popped up. It reads as follows: The latest Tweets from John Weaver ... tweets that Ohio Gov. John Kasich is ... possibly explosive information about the President of the United States.

https://twitter.com/JWGOP

Manic Moran

Penn wrote: »

Don't know to be honest. I imagine it'd just have to be considered the same as any witness' testimony, regardless of whether they struck a plea deal or not. After all, all witnesses are under oath and compelled to tell the truth in their testimony. It'd be more the lawyers for each side who would play up or play down the reliability of the witness and whatever deal they may have struck.

Been in Germany the last week; catching up.

A judge cannot compel a jury to accept as true the testimony of anyone, it is up to the jurors to weigh the likelihood of truth on their own. The judge can tell the jury which evidence may or may not be considered, as matters of law. Determining matters of fact, the weight of any piece of evidence, that's for the jury alone.

Sen Warren irked some of the lads in the swing states with her comments on the Tibbetts murder the other day. She gave a condolence and then decided to talk about what she termed the 'real problems', such as the child separation problem at the border. Problem is, a lot of folks in Iowa and related areas where Democrats have a chance to gain seats consider murder a 'real problem'.

Christy42

Manic Moran wrote: »

Penn wrote: »

Don't know to be honest. I imagine it'd just have to be considered the same as any witness' testimony, regardless of whether they struck a plea deal or not. After all, all witnesses are under oath and compelled to tell the truth in their testimony. It'd be more the lawyers for each side who would play up or play down the reliability of the witness and whatever deal they may have struck.

Been in Germany the last week; catching up.

A judge cannot compel a jury to accept as true the testimony of anyone, it is up to the jurors to weigh the likelihood of truth on their own. The judge can tell the jury which evidence may or may not be considered, as matters of law. Determining matters of fact, the weight of any piece of evidence, that's for the jury alone.

Sen Warren irked some of the lads in the swing states with her comments on the Tibbetts murder the other day. She gave a condolence and then decided to talk about what she termed the 'real problems', such as the child separation problem at the border. Problem is, a lot of folks in Iowa and related areas where Democrats have a chance to gain seats consider murder a 'real problem'.

But somehow only that one is a real problem. I don't see the shooting of two in Jacksonville being a massive issue on the campaign trail, that will just be thoughts and prayers and let's forget it happened.

listermint

Manic Moran wrote: »

Been in Germany the last week; catching up.

A judge cannot compel a jury to accept as true the testimony of anyone, it is up to the jurors to weigh the likelihood of truth on their own. The judge can tell the jury which evidence may or may not be considered, as matters of law. Determining matters of fact, the weight of any piece of evidence, that's for the jury alone.

Sen Warren irked some of the lads in the swing states with her comments on the Tibbetts murder the other day. She gave a condolence and then decided to talk about what she termed the 'real problems', such as the child separation problem at the border. Problem is, a lot of folks in Iowa and related areas where Democrats have a chance to gain seats consider murder a 'real problem'.

Still trying to make single issues a thing I see.


Any thoughts on trumps flag display for a war hero with multiple recognitions of his heroic acts including the purple heart .


We can't really look at wider issues in a collective manner I suppose let's concentrate on single issues that make the Dems look bad , right ?

everlast75

Manic Moran wrote: »

Been in Germany the last week; catching up.

A judge cannot compel a jury to accept as true the testimony of anyone, it is up to the jurors to weigh the likelihood of truth on their own. The judge can tell the jury which evidence may or may not be considered, as matters of law. Determining matters of fact, the weight of any piece of evidence, that's for the jury alone.

Sen Warren irked some of the lads in the swing states with her comments on the Tibbetts murder the other day. She gave a condolence and then decided to talk about what she termed the 'real problems', such as the child separation problem at the border. Problem is, a lot of folks in Iowa and related areas where Democrats have a chance to gain seats consider murder a 'real problem'.

"Sen Warren irked some of the lads in the swing states with her comments on the Tibbetts murder"?

That's nothing compared to the GOP making it a talking point when Manafort was convicted and Cohen made that plea deal!

And not to forget her family's reaction- telling the reps to "keep her name out of your mouth" and not to use her death to stoke up racial tension.

1 illegal immigrant murders someone - BUILD THAT WALL

A white guy AGAIN murders people with guns - *crickets*

Leroy42

So once again Trump has been forced to back down on a position that he made in spite of his advisors.

How many is that now? How can anymore think that this man has any idea what he is doing when he continually is shown to make mistakes?

A leader leads because people have trust in their abilities to make the right decisions (not always the one they agree with) yet Trump continually shows that his decision making is flawed.

Akrasia

I feel sorry for future historians trying to unweave the facts from Trumps Bullsh1t.

The announcement that America has replaced NAFTA with a new bilateral free trade agreement with Mexico is apparently pure nonsense. All they did was sign a preliminary agreement on a method to resolve disputes that arise within the NAFTA framework

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/08/27/politics/trump-nafta-deal/index.html

robinph

But the important change in agreeing to carry on with NAFTA is that it will have Trumps signature on a piece of paper. I saw something suggesting that there was problems with the name NAFTA offending someone as well, although the article didn't explain that point, so clearly important to cancel the whole deal because of that.

Wanderer78

Leroy42 wrote:

How many is that now? How can anymore think that this man has any idea what he is doing when he continually is shown to make mistakes?

Trump is doing just fine, he ll be there for another while, as it suits certain sections of society to be so, he ll be moved on when required

Quin_Dub

Akrasia wrote: »

I feel sorry for future historians trying to unweave the facts from Trumps Bullsh1t.

The announcement that America has replaced NAFTA with a new bilateral free trade agreement with Mexico is apparently pure nonsense. All they did was sign a preliminary agreement on a method to resolve disputes that arise within the NAFTA framework

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/08/27/politics/trump-nafta-deal/index.html

Also claimed that it was "probably the biggest Trade deal ever done in history".

Given that it's just US-Mexico and excludes Canada (it also doesn't exist , but that's another lie) , it can't possibly be bigger than Nafta and Nafta barely registers on the list of "big" trade deals.

Leroy42

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Leroy42 wrote:

How many is that now? How can anymore think that this man has any idea what he is doing when he continually is shown to make mistakes?

Trump is doing just fine, he ll be there for another while, as it suits certain sections of society to be so, he ll be moved on when required

Not the question I asked? Yet again Trump has been forced to back down. The leader of the free world isn't even a leader 8n his own mind!

everlast75

So I wondered why those rumours were circulating at the weekend as to Trump "going it alone" and against legal advice to paradon Manafort.

Turns out, oul solid reliable Manafort was trying to cut a deal with Mueller while the jury were deliberating.

Trump is in panic mode for sure.

Stallingrad

If anyone here needs to be reminded of the racist undertones that runs throughout this Presidency you should go and see BlacKkKlansman, you could hear a pin drop in the cinema at the end.

Dohnjoe

everlast75 wrote: »

Turns out, oul solid reliable Manafort was trying to cut a deal with Mueller while the jury were deliberating.

What's the source on that?

It would be amazing if he flipped

aloyisious

everlast75 wrote: »

So I wondered why those rumours were circulating at the weekend as to Trump "going it alone" and against legal advice to paradon Manafort.

Turns out, oul solid reliable Manafort was trying to cut a deal with Mueller while the jury were deliberating.

Trump is in panic mode for sure.

So Don is making the US presidential pardon a bargaining chip, a bribe, to dangle in front of potential witnesses who are likely to give truthful testimony in open court or before Grand Jury sittings. I'd imagine he see's it as making a deal I his own way.

Call me Al

Dohnjoe wrote: »

What's the source on that?

It would be amazing if he flipped

It's mentioned in that vanity fair article Used to Wait linked on here yesterday.