Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

Beechwoodspark

I think trump will face huge protests here. More power to em

Hurrache

Igotadose wrote: »

And, he's pretty much shown who the chief WH leaker is - the POTUS.

Reporters involved are saying it had nothing to do with them, openly implying it was the White House that ordered the comments released.

prawnsambo

sink wrote: »

Donald Trump to visit Ireland in November, White House says

****, I'm probably going to have to avoid Dublin city that day.

Somebody needs to tell him that we actually have an extradition treaty with the USA.


It's only a short stop-off it seems. Enough time for a round of golf at Doonbeg one presumes.

Inquitus

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I think trump will face huge protests here. More power to em

Indeed, I'd probably get my arse off my sofa and take the family in to protest.

Wanderer78

Inquitus wrote:

Indeed, I'd probably get my arse off my sofa and take the family in to protest.

Ah they ll be a few protests, but probably nothing too serious, we re not as active as some may think

jm08

prawnsambo wrote: »

Somebody needs to tell him that we actually have an extradition treaty with the USA.


It's only a short stop-off it seems. Enough time for a round of golf at Doonbeg one presumes.

Or about putting pressure on for the Doonbeg Wall.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/legal-challenge-against-trump-wall-in-doonbeg-put-on-hold-1.3589998

Infini

Honestly I'd prefer he didn't come here unless they block his internet's. Should he see his majorities in the the Senate/House wiped out he'll probably be off insulting everyone he can as per usual. Can we build a wall to keep him at the airport instead?

20Cent

He'll land in Shannon, be escorted to Doonbeg and fly out again without anyone getting anywhere near him. We need to borrow the London blimp.

everlast75

Only one thing for it...


"Bring out the blimp"

Wildlife Actor

everlast75 wrote: »

Only one thing for it...


"Bring out the blimp"

On a boat off the coast of Doonbeg.

farmerval

Leroy42 wrote: »

But this is exactly the model that the USA has always been based on. Capitalism, self-made man, no safety net, the market decides. It is the logical outcome of the very policies that they claim is what makes America what it is. I always laugh when I hear Americans complaining about globalisation, they fecking started it and are now simply being beaten at it by other countries.

What we are really seeing now is that many in the USA are asking for a particular form of socialism, focused on them rather then some 'welfare scroungers'. They want tariffs to protect them from outside competition, they want to stop immigration to protect them from lower paid workers etc etc.

They simply haven't realised it yet and are struggling to admit that the country that they claim to love, and claim is the best thing ever, is fundamentally flawed and are thus looking for a quick fix and someone to blame.

15 years ago the US was slapping itself on the back for it's economic model. A huge part of their economy was retail and getting cheap goods from places like China was fuelling the buying boom.

No-one ever thought that the jobs that was providing the money to fuel the retail boom were slipping overseas too.

I believe that a lot of the Brexit Woes in the UK come from the same source, working class people are poorer comparatively and the jobs available are McD's or similar. In their ideal world those jobs were for immigrants, serving in retail, cleaners, fruit pikers etc.

amandstu

farmerval wrote: »

No-one ever thought that the jobs that was providing the money to fuel the retail boom were slipping overseas too.

I believe that a lot of the Brexit Woes in the UK come from the same source, working class people are poorer comparatively and the jobs available are McD's or similar. In their ideal world those jobs were for immigrants, serving in retail, cleaners, fruit pikers etc.

It was obvious at the time but it was considered inevitable (and desirable) ,providing work opportunities to weaker economies and allowing the "donor" economies to avail of cheap imports.

This worked well overall (insofar as there was any choice in the matter) but pockets of the economy suffered disproportionately and sadly have allowed themselves to be used by a demagogue in the USA (exploited seemingly by anti democratic foreign powers)

Hopefully lessons can be learned ...perhaps there are ways that the most painful effects of globalization can be mitigated .

weisses

VonZan wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what kind of protesters show up. A very fickle group you would have to imagine considering their silence over Obama. Nevermind the killing of innocent people and forced reigme changes, hurting people's feelings is much more an important issue for these people and then people wonder why the left is dead in Ireland outside of Boards.ie and Twitter.

Make sure you all bring your AntiFa iron on badges.

What ......???? No mention of Hilary ?.. what's happening

Wanderer78

VonZan wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what kind of protesters show up. A very fickle group you would have to imagine considering their silence over Obama. Nevermind the killing of innocent people and forced reigme changes, hurting people's feelings is much more an important issue for these people and then people wonder why the left is dead in Ireland outside of Boards.ie and Twitter.

Make sure you all bring your AntiFa iron on badges.

the political left is well dead across the western world

BabyCheeses

VonZan wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what kind of protesters show up. A very fickle group you would have to imagine considering their silence over Obama. Nevermind the killing of innocent people and forced reigme changes, hurting people's feelings is much more an important issue for these people and then people wonder why the left is dead in Ireland outside of Boards.ie and Twitter.

Make sure you all bring your AntiFa iron on badges.

boards and twitter are the last places I would be looking for the Irish left.



Your betters across the ocean view us as godless communists. The left can't be dead and be the fault of all of IReland's ills.

mayhem#

For anyone interested in welcoming Trump to Ireland: https://www.facebook.com/groups/931015607099064/

Wanderer78

mayhem# wrote: »

For anyone interested in welcoming Trump to Ireland: https://www.facebook.com/groups/931015607099064/

thankfully i dont have a facebook account

BabyCheeses

mayhem# wrote: »

For anyone interested in welcoming Trump to Ireland: https://www.facebook.com/groups/931015607099064/

Can't sorry, have to work so the unemployed can go meet their idol.

borderlinemeath

mayhem# wrote: »

For anyone interested in welcoming Trump to Ireland: https://www.facebook.com/groups/931015607099064/

I'm sure it will be quite the party. A group of anti immigrant, anti equality, anti abortionists.



The rest of the internet "support" for Trump is clearly from wind up merchants who enjoy the kicks from sticking it to the "libtards". Never to be seen in real life speaking their mind for fear that they'll be found out.

26000 Elephants

borderlinemeath wrote: »

I'm sure it will be quite the party. A group of anti immigrant, anti equality, anti abortionists.



The rest of the internet "support" for Trump is clearly from wind up merchants who enjoy the kicks from sticking it to the "libtards". Never to be seen in real life speaking their mind for fear that they'll be found out.

I thnk this is an increasingly accurate view. I know my own son ( part og the gamer scene) was a Trump supporter mainly for getting the rise out of people, me included. But even he ( who has no real interest in politics yet) can see the truth.

Rhineshark

VonZan wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what kind of protesters show up. A very fickle group you would have to imagine considering their silence over Obama. Nevermind the killing of innocent people and forced reigme changes, hurting people's feelings is much more an important issue for these people and then people wonder why the left is dead in Ireland outside of Boards.ie and Twitter.

Make sure you all bring your AntiFa iron on badges.

Well, I'll be there. Not least as I don't make silly false equivalences between Obama and the lying ignorant con-man in the office. Maybe you can also point out to me when Obama was attacking Ireland as part of the EU too? An ability to discriminate between varying levels of damage, intent and actual egregious-beyond-any-norm criminal action is useful, or else you end up conflating all sorts of nonsense and can be very easily manipulated.

(Before you comment, yes, I am very aware of various other crimes and evil actions taken by certain of our allies. However, it is Trump arriving currently. Save it for when May lands. I have plenty of issues with her too.)

Also, your words hardly ring true, as Trump's careless ratchetting up of attacks, reduction of attempts to prevent civilian deaths and oversight has resulted in even more deaths. You'd be more likely to care if you actually believed what you were saying. But no, just "But Obama."



Regarding the line above (different post) about how "lol, *I* have a job to go to, the unemployed can go see their idol", I have a job too. Weird that you don't get holiday days, and I'm pretty sure that's illegal. I do and will be taking one. Okay, so he couldn't possibly be called my idol, but same point goes both ways there.



I hope Irish people do protest tbh. As I stated before, Trump's US is attacking our allies, the trade organisation we belong to (which is because it gives all these small countries support in standing up against a "might makes right" zero-sum approach to trade wars. And I don't hold with the islander attutude that attacks on our allies is none of our business. The other EU countries have stood with us.

We are a nation of migrants. The sort that came from a "****hole country" until not all that lomg ago. And indeed profaned American shores with our culture and heritage.

Finally, although it won't mean anything to Trump himself, there are many Americans from an Irish-american heritage (admittedly, a lot of them are white republicans) and a small country protesting the tosspot is encouraging, as it was when the UK turned out to protest in a far more precarious position vis-a-vis relying on Trumps good will.

(Also, and while not directly related to Trump but definite base cross-over, I for one didn't particularly approve of Americans coming over to evangelise during the ref on the Eighth. There may have been a "heritage" note in that choice too, their feeling a certain right to get involved and save the old (religious, albeit the wrong religion) soil from itself :P)

There is very little I can do about the ****ty state of world politics and the dumbass consequences that reverberate around the world, impacting even small, unrelated countries like Ireland. But I can avoid being complicit in approval of it by silence when I do get the opportunity.

Also, I don't buy into "look at me, I'm so "cynical" that I really can't be bothered doing anything but I can be arsed to mock people doing what I don't want to."

Rjd2

VonZan wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what kind of protesters show up. A very fickle group you would have to imagine considering their silence over Obama. Nevermind the killing of innocent people and forced reigme changes, hurting people's feelings is much more an important issue for these people and then people wonder why the left is dead in Ireland outside of Boards.ie and Twitter.

Make sure you all bring your AntiFa iron on badges.

There will be plenty of annoying cliched lefties there, but overall the audience will be decent skins. I don't blame them for protesting Trump whatsoever.

Its unfair to tar groups by its most vocal but ultimately minority element I have been told.

jjpep

He's declared a trade war on the EU. Why would any EU state host him while this is going on?

Wanderer78

jjpep wrote: »

He's declared a trade war on the EU. Why would any EU state host him while this is going on?

we still need to encourage dialogue, to try resolve these issues, refusing to do so may harden hardliners set on regressive policies such as protectionism, trump will be moved on eventually, the world will carry on afterwards, its probably best we save some sort relationship to try resolve these issues

8mv

Rhineshark wrote: »

There is very little I can do about the ****ty state of world politics and the dumbass consequences that reverberate around the world, impacting even small, unrelated countries like Ireland. But I can avoid being complicit in approval of it by silence when I do get the opportunity.

I was thinking the best way to greet Trump would be with empty streets and silence - he thrives on attention, whether that be adulation or protests. But your well-formed post is giving me pause for thought, Rhineshark, especially the piece quoted above. Silence could well be interpreted as complacency and acceptance of this obnoxious administration.

jjpep

Wanderer78 wrote: »

we still need to encourage dialogue, to try resolve these issues, refusing to do so may harden hardliners set on regressive policies such as protectionism, trump will be moved on eventually, the world will carry on afterwards, its probably best we save some sort relationship to try resolve these issues

I get the point. But the worse thing you can do with a bully is try to appease them.

VonZan

Rhineshark wrote: »

Well, I'll be there. Not least as I don't make silly false equivalences between Obama and the lying ignorant con-man in the office. Maybe you can also point out to me when Obama was attacking Ireland as part of the EU too? An ability to discriminate between varying levels of damage, intent and actual egregious-beyond-any-norm criminal action is useful, or else you end up conflating all sorts of nonsense and can be very easily manipulated.

(Before you comment, yes, I am very aware of various other crimes and evil actions taken by certain of our allies. However, it is Trump arriving currently. Save it for when May lands. I have plenty of issues with her too.)

Also, your words hardly ring true, as Trump's careless ratchetting up of attacks, reduction of attempts to prevent civilian deaths and oversight has resulted in even more deaths. You'd be more likely to care if you actually believed what you were saying. But no, just "But Obama."



Regarding the line above (different post) about how "lol, *I* have a job to go to, the unemployed can go see their idol", I have a job too. Weird that you don't get holiday days, and I'm pretty sure that's illegal. I do and will be taking one. Okay, so he couldn't possibly be called my idol, but same point goes both ways there.



I hope Irish people do protest tbh. As I stated before, Trump's US is attacking our allies, the trade organisation we belong to (which is because it gives all these small countries support in standing up against a "might makes right" zero-sum approach to trade wars. And I don't hold with the islander attutude that attacks on our allies is none of our business. The other EU countries have stood with us.

We are a nation of migrants. The sort that came from a "****hole country" until not all that lomg ago. And indeed profaned American shores with our culture and heritage.

Finally, although it won't mean anything to Trump himself, there are many Americans from an Irish-american heritage (admittedly, a lot of them are white republicans) and a small country protesting the tosspot is encouraging, as it was when the UK turned out to protest in a far more precarious position vis-a-vis relying on Trumps good will.

(Also, and while not directly related to Trump but definite base cross-over, I for one didn't particularly approve of Americans coming over to evangelise during the ref on the Eighth. There may have been a "heritage" note in that choice too, their feeling a certain right to get involved and save the old (religious, albeit the wrong religion) soil from itself :P)

There is very little I can do about the ****ty state of world politics and the dumbass consequences that reverberate around the world, impacting even small, unrelated countries like Ireland. But I can avoid being complicit in approval of it by silence when I do get the opportunity.

Also, I don't buy into "look at me, I'm so "cynical" that I really can't be bothered doing anything but I can be arsed to mock people doing what I don't want to."

It makes a mockery of your argument that you're more concerned with what you perceive to be lies than the killing of thousands of innocent people in the name of national security.

Some people, mostly online, are more concerned about what people say rather than their actions. The left seem to enjoy shysters as long as they tell you what you want to hear. Thankfully this isn't generally replicated in the real world and mostly exists online. There is a reason a three letter abbreviation is often used for these people.

If you visited Boards.ie on a regular basis and visited the politics forum you would assume that the Labour are the biggest party in the state, for example.

prawnsambo

VonZan wrote: »

It makes a mockery of your argument that you're more concerned with what you perceive to be lies than the killing of thousands of innocent people in the name of national security.

Whataboutery is the worst form of argument. It ignores the current issues in favour of revisiting past behaviours that are so much spilled milk. And it automatically assumes that the person you're talking to has some vested interest in such past actions that make it somehow germane. It is pure deflection. The previous president of the USA got plenty of stick on here because of his actions. Let's move on to dicussing the one on whom this thread is the topic. So yes, there's a mockery being made here alright. But not by the person to whom you directed that remark.

Leroy42

VonZan wrote: »

The left seem to enjoy shysters as long as they tell you what you want to hear. Thankfully this isn't generally replicated in the real world and mostly exists online.

Oh come on, Trump is the very epitome of that. You think he is of the left? Whatever you think about the left the right have shown themselves to have no real values except for being in power and sticking it to the left. That seems to be it.

VonZan wrote: »

If you visited Boards.ie on a regular basis and visited the politics forum you would assume that the Labour are the biggest party in the state, for example.

Not sure that is true, but even if it was, I would think that most people would not just take whatever they see as the consensus as the truth without first looking to get some facts for themselves. But again, it is a charge that has been totally proven on the right, you are more than happy to accept lies once it is what they want to hear.

Remember all the Trump supporters telling us they like him "cause he tells it like it is". The man that currently has 4500+ lies in 18 months of office! The man who mixes up would with wouldn't. The man that says he believes his own security services only to constantly call them out as corrupt and ineffective and then state that China did it not Russia!

prawnsambo

VonZan wrote: »

Deflection is the worst kind of arguement. It's clearly relevant to the current president. Drawing a comparison in an argument is valid, let's not descend into total madness.

Not if the comparison is "that guy was worse than this guy". Or more specifically adding the "that guy" argument when nobody has even mentioned him. That's whataboutery, straw manning and deflection all in one.