Executive Officer with Revenue 2018 campaign

Muggle101

Hi guys,
I'm presently going through vetting for this role. Wondering if anyone in the know could give me a bit of inside information During a brief conversation with personnel this week, I was told training starting Jan 13th 2020. Anyone know how long training normally takes??? Have been told it's quite intense, take it no flexi etc during????
Am in the Civil Service as a CO already so hoping that when training complete, that it'll be as flexible as where I'm at now???
Thanks guys, any bit of information on it would be greatly appreciated.

Bettyblaa

Muggle101 wrote: »

Hi guys,
I'm presently going through vetting for this role. Wondering if anyone in the know could give me a bit of inside information During a brief conversation with personnel this week, I was told training starting Jan 13th 2020. Anyone know how long training normally takes??? Have been told it's quite intense, take it no flexi etc during????
Am in the Civil Service as a CO already so hoping that when training complete, that it'll be as flexible as where I'm at now???
Thanks guys, any bit of information on it would be greatly appreciated.

Can I ask what location did you get?

Muggle101

Bettyblaa wrote: »

Can I ask what location did you get?

Waterford

November Golf

Muggle101 wrote: »

Hi guys,
I'm presently going through vetting for this role. Wondering if anyone in the know could give me a bit of inside information During a brief conversation with personnel this week, I was told training starting Jan 13th 2020. Anyone know how long training normally takes??? Have been told it's quite intense, take it no flexi etc during????
Am in the Civil Service as a CO already so hoping that when training complete, that it'll be as flexible as where I'm at now???
Thanks guys, any bit of information on it would be greatly appreciated.

Did they say where the training is on?

If you dont have an accounting/tax background, you will usually undertake a three year diploma course with the Irish Tax Institute or University of Limerick.

The lecture are usually given in blocks of two or three weeks at a time but not necessarily in your chosen location. When your not attending lectures, your on the job.

Muggle101

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

Did they say where the training is on?

If you dont have an accounting/tax background, you will unually undertake a three year diploma course with the Irish Tax Institute or University of Limerick.

The lecture are usually given in blocks of two or three weeks at a time but not necessarily in your chosen location. When your not attending lectures, your on the job.

Told Training in Kilkenny, but unsure if it's lectures or just on the job training??? I've an Accounting background. I suppose I'd better ring them next week & find out further information on it :-)
Thanks for the reply. Excited about it but it's a little bit daunting aswell!!!!

pom159550

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

Did they say where the training is on?

If you dont have an accounting/tax background, you will usually undertake a three year diploma course with the Irish Tax Institute or University of Limerick.

The lecture are usually given in blocks of two or three weeks at a time but not necessarily in your chosen location. When your not attending lectures, your on the job.

Diploma is gone at the moment. It's up for tender so no one really knows whats going on.

November Golf

Muggle101 wrote: »

Told Training in Kilkenny, but unsure if it's lectures or just on the job training??? I've an Accounting background. I suppose I'd better ring them next week & find out further information on it :-)
Thanks for the reply. Excited about it but it's a little bit daunting aswell!!!!

If you have an accounting background the training does differ.

pom159550 wrote: »

Diploma is gone at the moment. It's up for tender so no one really knows whats going on.

Good to know.

Thats so typical - Its always after I post a comment someone tells me something has changed

November Golf

Hi All,

For those who entered the EO TAC 2019 competition I have opened a new thread.

The link to the 2019 thread is:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058024008

REVCOLIM

FoxyLoxy4 wrote: »

Hi all ,

Congrats to those who accepted a place for this competition. I'm on the panel but unfortunately am still awaiting any sign of an offer from Revenue. I have emailed them for an update to no avail. Just wondering could anyone enlighten me as to how far along the panel they might be for Tipp or Limerick... I'm beginning to lose hope! Many thanks in advance 😊

I am number 1 on the Tipp & the Limerick panel for the Internal EO Audit and have heard nothing. I don't presume that i will hear anything between now and next september. They only take on around 20 people in each batch for the Training course in Limerick. This 20 is made up of Internal/external/open & interd and includes people offered Nenagh, Thurles, Ennis and Limerick. The window to get in is pretty tight. The course went out to tender this year and as far as im aware people who got in in the september batch are not starting their course until January. That is why I believe they won't be offering any places for Audit in Tipp/Limerick until September 2020. (but its the civil service so who knows).

Also to add I did get offered Thurles about 2 months ago and refused but I think that was the last available spot for the EO audit this year.

REVCOLIM

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

What do you mean "besides the two year audit course?"

Its a key feature of this panel

Mike you can be offered compliance off this panel which could be EO in the Collector Generals for example. the competition is tax, Audit & compliance. it doesn't happen that often but it can happen

November Golf

REVCOLIM wrote: »

Mike you can be offered compliance off this panel which could be EO in the Collector Generals for example. the competition is tax, Audit & compliance. it doesn't happen that often but it can happen

You could also be offered a role in another goverment department but that reply wasn't about the roles offered or the CG's. It had to do with the specialist training as the courses for EO's in Audit and Compliance are similar unless you already have relevant qualifications -

If you applied for the 2019 competition, I would suggest you join the new thread.

FoxyLoxy4

Hi RevColim,

Thanks for the reply. I suppose you are at an advantage that you are part of the internal panel! I think Brexit being delayed didn't help matters either. I haven't heard from recruitment to say the panel is now closed so I'll live in hope, though I'm afraid I might have missed the boat with this one which is unfortunate.

REVCOLIM

FoxyLoxy4 wrote: »

Hi RevColim,

Thanks for the reply. I suppose you are at an advantage that you are part of the internal panel! I think Brexit being delayed didn't help matters either. I haven't heard from recruitment to say the panel is now closed so I'll live in hope, though I'm afraid I might have missed the boat with this one which is unfortunate.

I think the main advantage with the internal is the panel is for 2 years - i could be wrong but i think the external is for one year ? the problem with the audit is the intake is quite small. Fingers crossed you get the call !

RCL173

For those that have commenced the training course if you have a level 8 degree and are part qualified accountant do you still have to do the full course?

OutForTender

RCL173 wrote: »

For those that have commenced the training course if you have a level 8 degree and are part qualified accountant do you still have to do the full course?

For Audit and Compliance? Yes you still do the training. A lot is Revenue specific and often times there is no where else to put you anyway.

barneystinson

OutForTender wrote: »

For Audit and Compliance? Yes you still do the training. A lot is Revenue specific and often times there is no where else to put you anyway.

Where the hell is that happening?! In my experience a person coming in with those qualifications does the RAPT training, it’d be a waste of everyone’s time putting them through the full audit training programme.

OutForTender

barneystinson wrote: »

Where the hell is that happening?! In my experience a person coming in with those qualifications does the RAPT training, it’d be a waste of everyone’s time putting them through the full audit training programme.

I went through training with 2 people with Accounting Technician and 1 with a Ba in Accounting. At the end I seen all the groups and nobody got any exemptions.

Specifically for the old UL degree, UL do not like exemptions at all. The ITI they are doing now hasn't got any exemptions either.

barneystinson

OutForTender wrote: »

I went through training with 2 people with Accounting Technician and 1 with a Ba in Accounting. At the end I seen all the groups and nobody got any exemptions.

Specifically for the old UL degree, UL do not like exemptions at all. The ITI they are doing now hasn't got any exemptions either.

But those people are being enrolled on those courses because that’s the training they need. I suppose the level of qualifications and experience of new EO entrants is probably dropping off in the last couple of years. In previous comps, qualified and experienced accountants have been hired, and they absolutely shouldn’t need all that training. That’s who the RAPT was designed for. Maybe it’s only/mostly people coming in at HEO/AO now that are likely to be suited to RAPT.

Bettyblaa

Has anyone information regarding training or what has previous EO done?

Im going to be based in Waterford but my first day is in KK...

I wonder would my training be KK as my first day is here, has anyone information on this please.

Askabout

Folks, I was promoted from CO to EO and I am training since September. I feel totally out of my depth in the training and now feel that this Audit EO role is not for me. Not v enthusiastic about the idea of calling out interrogating people either. I loved my role as CO. I wonder is there anything I could do as I would hate to have to go back to CO after all the hard work in getting promoted.

OutForTender

Askabout wrote: »

Folks, I was promoted from CO to EO and I am training since September. I feel totally out of my depth in the training and now feel that this Audit EO role is not for me. Not v enthusiastic about the idea of calling out interrogating people either. I loved my role as CO. I wonder is there anything I could do as I would hate to have to go back to CO after all the hard work in getting promoted.

Have you been placed in an actual role yet?

Being in Audit doesn't mean you will be doing audits. You may get placed in a role which never involves going out to taxpayers.

Askabout

OutForTender wrote: »

Have you been placed in an actual role yet?

Being in Audit doesn't mean you will be doing audits. You may get placed in a role which never involves going out to taxpayers.

I have been placed in Business Division. I wonder would it be worth a shot going to management to chat about my options or would that be dangerous considering I'm on probation?

LM4C

Askabout wrote: »

I have been placed in Business Division. I wonder would it be worth a shot going to management to chat about my options or would that be dangerous considering I'm on probation?

I think you should get your probation over 1st. You wouldn't want to rock the boat. Have you put in for mobility transfer yet.

OutForTender

Even in Business division there are a lot of different teams. Next time you're at a PC look at the Org chart and look at all the different roles in Business Division.

I don't know the managers in Limerick. I wouldn't have had any worries talking to the ones I had in Dublin. I severely doubt they'd sack someone for being apprehensive.

Askabout

LM4C wrote: »

I think you should get your probation over 1st. You wouldn't want to rock the boat. Have you put in for mobility transfer yet.

Yes, I have put in for mobility transfer but it will be 2 years before I'm allowed to consider any offers and I am so far down the list, it might not transpire for another 5 years. As I said before I loved my CO role but this thought of going out interviewing taxpayers is making me v worried.

November Golf

Askabout wrote: »

Yes, I have put in for mobility transfer but it will be 2 years before I'm allowed to consider any offers and I am so far down the list, it might not transpire for another 5 years. As I said before I loved my CO role but this thought of going out interviewing taxpayers is making me v worried.

Its unlikely you will be going out on audits on your own in the first 2 years so I think its a bit early to be worrying.

doc22

Askabout wrote: »

Yes, I have put in for mobility transfer but it will be 2 years before I'm allowed to consider any offers and I am so far down the list, it might not transpire for another 5 years. As I said before I loved my CO role but this thought of going out interviewing taxpayers is making me v worried.

I'm not being smart here but genuinely what did you think the role would involve when you applied

barneystinson

Askabout wrote: »

Yes, I have put in for mobility transfer but it will be 2 years before I'm allowed to consider any offers and I am so far down the list, it might not transpire for another 5 years. As I said before I loved my CO role but this thought of going out interviewing taxpayers is making me v worried.

What competition did you get the EO position from? If it was an audit & compliance competition, and seeing as you were already serving as a CO, were you not fully aware of what the job entails??

CZ 453

Askabout wrote: »

Yes, I have put in for mobility transfer but it will be 2 years before I'm allowed to consider any offers and I am so far down the list, it might not transpire for another 5 years. As I said before I loved my CO role but this thought of going out interviewing taxpayers is making me v worried.

It is for some and not for others. There are compliance roles that do not involve calling to businesses.

Some people take the job thinking they will be great at it and then get a shock with confrontational meetings. That's ok. Nothing wrong with that. Some might think they'll get management experience for moving on to HEO and that doesn't materialize either.

Askabout

CZ 453 wrote: »

It is for some and not for others. There are compliance roles that do not involve calling to businesses.

Some people take the job thinking they will be great at it and then get a shock with confrontational meetings. That's ok. Nothing wrong with that. Some might think they'll get management experience for moving on to HEO and that doesn't materialize either.

V hard to get HEO without having experience of people management. An EO in Customer Service would have this

barneystinson

Askabout wrote: »

V hard to get HEO without having experience of people management. An EO in Customer Service would have this

Depends on the role. In Revenue you can certainly get to AO without it, and bypass HEO, if you’re looking to move on to AP. And plenty of AP’s appointed in the last 10 years have gotten there via AO, where they would never have had staff reporting to them.

If you read the competency framework nowhere does it require management of staff - it requires leadership, interpersonal and communication, management and delivery of results etc... all of which can be demonstrated by a good EO / AO auditor, through management of projects, leading in team audits, negotiation of tricky settlements, interaction with RTS/RLS or other divisions etc

Askabout

Folks, do you think it would be a good idea to have a chat with management to see if I could be accommodated in an Audit role which can be done from the office. I do not own my own car and profile interviews would require driving. As the initial application process did not stipulate access to car was not required, that's why I applied, Customs posts stipulated driving was a requirement and licence had to be brought to interview as proof.

OutForTender

Depends where you're based I suppose. Outside Dublin or even Tallaght you'd probably need a car. In the city you're grand with the bus, it's usually encouraged. Taxis are paid for if you need one.

Askabout

The application form should have stated a car was required so

November Golf

Askabout wrote: »

Folks, do you think it would be a good idea to have a chat with management to see if I could be accommodated in an Audit role which can be done from the office. I do not own my own car and profile interviews would require driving. As the initial application process did not stipulate access to car was not required, that's why I applied, Customs posts stipulated driving was a requirement and licence had to be brought to interview as proof.

I don't really understand how you got into this situation but since your here, I think you need to focus on getting through your probation stage first.

Your training may involve field audits and profile interviews in a team so you can travel with the other person and you have the opportunity to experience them first. Even if your manager is willing to "accommodate" you, its unlikely anything will happen until after your probation is complete.

I don't think your manager is going to beat you with a stick but if your reverted to CO, it may be difficult to get to EO again.

barneystinson

Askabout wrote: »

The application form should have stated a car was required so

I know EOs and HEOs in audit that don’t drive. That won’t get you your dream of sitting at a desk all day, most calls to the field are not done solo, so you will just have to go as a passenger.

Askabout

I drive alright, it's just that I don't have my own car at present!

JamPack

Askabout wrote: »

Folks, do you think it would be a good idea to have a chat with management to see if I could be accommodated in an Audit role which can be done from the office. I do not own my own car and profile interviews would require driving. As the initial application process did not stipulate access to car was not required, that's why I applied, Customs posts stipulated driving was a requirement and licence had to be brought to interview as proof.

That's because they have to be able to drive Revenue official vehicles, as others have stated most audits are done in pairs so i'm sure they'd ensure one of you was driving or order you a taxi. They can't not advertise these positions to people who don't drive, it could be seen as discrimination against those that can't afford a car

OutForTender

JamPack wrote: »

That's because they have to be able to drive Revenue official vehicles, as others have stated most audits are done in pairs so i'm sure they'd ensure one of you was driving or order you a taxi. They can't not advertise these positions to people who don't drive, it could be seen as discrimination against those that can't afford a car

You're allowed discriminate against people who cant afford a car.

Askabout

OutForTender wrote: »

You're allowed discriminate against people who cant afford a car.

You mean 'not allowed to discriminate'?

OutForTender

Askabout wrote: »

You mean 'not allowed to discriminate'?

No, not having the money to have a car doesn't entitle you to protections. Descrimimation isn't always illegal. This campaign descriminated against people without a qualification for example.

Askabout

True but the campaign didn't stipulate a car was required

JamPack

Askabout wrote: »

True but the campaign didn't stipulate a car was required

Because it's not....

P Bear

A car is not required, it sounds like you don't want to be going out to customers

Ollie321

Hi all, I know this is an old thread but for those who got a call for the Sept intake last year, when were ye called?

doc22

Ollie321 wrote: »

Hi all, I know this is an old thread but for those who got a call for the Sept intake last year, when were ye called?

Intake for Dublin was end of august and people were called in April