Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread X: [****]

irishbucsfan

****s sake molloyjh sort it out!

molloyjh

Former Former wrote: »

I don't know if you've intentionally omitted Leavy from your list, but he brings it up to 24 if not released. As you say, he may well be allowed to travel, he definitely stands out a bit from the other players who didn't go to Chicago so that would be something.

We can still field a reasonable team but it's basically a Leinster 'A' lineup.

I’m an optimistic sort! Leavy hasn’t had much game time so I’d hope to see him travel.

connemara man

Leinster shouldn't be losing this even with a depleted side. Kings have no scrum to speak of no lineout of value, terrible discipline, 2 players that can cause issues, and a bit of fight at the breakdown.
If Leinster keep the ball don't kick lose, and grind the king's down it will be a boring yet professional win. Too many teams lose the heads when they travel to SA and get dragged into a game they don't want to play

molloyjh

connemara man wrote: »

Leinster shouldn't be losing this even with a depleted side. Kings have no scrum to speak of no lineout of value, terrible discipline, 2 players that can cause issues, and a bit of fight at the breakdown.
If Leinster keep the ball don't kick lose, and grind the king's down it will be a boring yet professional win. Too many teams lose the heads when they travel to SA and get dragged into a game they don't want to play

To be fair to Kings, they did beat Glasgow a few weeks back. And it wasn't a particularly weak Glasgow team. Our squad won't have had much time together either so will be fairly disjointed.

connemara man

molloyjh wrote: »

To be fair to Kings, they did beat Glasgow a few weeks back. And it wasn't a particularly weak Glasgow team. Our squad won't have had much time together either so will be fairly disjointed.

Glasgow went down and threw the ball around and kicked badly with a Scrumhalf at 10. The second they tightened up even a small bit they were the better team but left themselves too much to do.

If Leinster play 10 man rugby and don't kick to Banda they will be better than Glasgow from the beginning

Sheep Shagger

McFadden out for 4 months with injury and Rob Kearney to be assessed...

Former Former

Apparently Dave K might be available for the weekend so that's a help.

Unbelievably bad luck for McFadden.

stephen_n

What’s the story with Barry Dalys injury, when is he due back?

Buer

connemara man wrote: »

Glasgow went down and threw the ball around and kicked badly with a Scrumhalf at 10. The second they tightened up even a small bit they were the better team but left themselves too much to do.

If Leinster play 10 man rugby and don't kick to Banda they will be better than Glasgow from the beginning

Leinster are going to have a bloke at 10 who hasn't started a match there for us in about 5 years. The Scarlets beat them last weekend with a match day squad featuring about 12 of the guys who were in their European 23. They had to rely on a late yellow card and two tries in the final 8 minutes for a single score win.

I think we should have enough to win if we have Leavy available. Dave Kearney being back would be a massive boost too given how threadbare we are in the backline.

With that said, this is far from the certain win people would have expected a few months back. The Kings have improved a hell of a lot since last season to the point where they're just a relatively poor team now as opposed to the absolute cannon fodder they were.

Former Former

stephen_n wrote: »

What’s the story with Barry Dalys injury, when is he due back?

Bit of a Conor Murray job I think, he looked in a really bad way coming off in Cardiff but since then all we've heard is that it's his knee, with no details and no return date.

Former Former

Former Former wrote: »

Bit of a Conor Murray job I think, he looked in a really bad way coming off in Cardiff but since then all we've heard is that it's his knee, with no details and no return date.

Saw him walking around near Ranelagh last week and he seemed fine to be honest.

stephen_n

Former Former wrote: »

Bit of a Conor Murray job I think, he looked in a really bad way coming off in Cardiff but since then all we've heard is that it's his knee, with no details and no return date.

Yeah was wondering because I didn’t remember him coming up on any injury updates. Pity as we could use him now. Though Adam Byrne went quite well last week, which was good to see. If DK is back that will really help out with the FB situation.

Richie_Rich89

I really don't get this béal bocht, threadbare-in-the-backs spiel. There are good options in every position:

9: Gibson-Park, O'Sullivan
10: Reid, Harry Byrne
11: Lowe, Tomane
12: Conor O'Brien, Tom Daly
13: O'Loughlin, Jimmy O'Brien
14: Adam Byrne, David Kearney
15: Frawley, Kelly

Guys lower down the pecking order are just coming off winning the Celtic Cup. Playing the Kings would be the next step along the pathway for them

errlloyd

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

I really don't get this béal bocht, threadbare-in-the-backs spiel. There are good options in every position:

9: Gibson-Park, O'Sullivan
10: Reid, Harry Byrne
11: Lowe, Tomane
12: Conor O'Brien, Tom Daly
13: O'Loughlin, Jimmy O'Brien
14: Adam Byrne, David Kearney
15: Frawley, Kelly

Guys lower down the pecking order are just coming off winning the Celtic Cup. Playing the Kings would be the next step along the pathway for them

WDC with Frawley at 15? Is that his preferred position?

molloyjh

molloyjh wrote: »

Who are the 24 FF? By my count we'll be missing:

Healy, McGrath, Cronin, Furlong, Porter, Toner, Ryan, Ruddock, VDF, SOB, Conan, Connors, Luke McGrath, Sexton, Byrne, Henshaw, Ringrose, Larmour, Rob Kearney, Dave Kearney, McFadden, Barry Daly

That's 22. Who am I missing? Obviously we'll be missing 1 of the 3 foreign players too, bringing it up to 23.

Either way that's an insane number of absentees for any team to have to absorb. That we can put out the side we can given that is impressive. But it won't be enough IMO.

Who's Connors?

The Lost Sheep

Deleted User wrote: »

Who's Connors?

Will Connors backrow. Promoted from academy for this season

Burkie1203

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who's Connors?

Porridge

Richie_Rich89

errlloyd wrote: »

WDC with Frawley at 15? Is that his preferred position?

He can play 10, 12 and 15. Dunno which is his favourite, and I haven't seen enough of him in each one to form an opinion as to which he is best in

molloyjh

errlloyd wrote: »

WDC with Frawley at 15? Is that his preferred position?

Also, the idea that Reid/HB at 10 and Frawley/Kelly are good options is a massive stretch. How many of those have played at this level in those positions? Reid is a break glass in case of emergency option at 10 and Frawley is massively inexperienced generally, let alone at FB. Harry Byrne and Jack Kelly have never played at this level before.

The simple fact of the matter is we are threadbare and this will be a tough test for what will be a 3rd strength team predominantly.

Richie_Rich89

molloyjh wrote: »

Also, the idea that Reid/HB at 10 and Frawley/Kelly are good options is a massive stretch. How many of those have played at this level in those positions? Reid is a break glass in case of emergency option at 10 and Frawley is massively inexperienced generally, let alone at FB. Harry Byrne and Jack Kelly have never played at this level before.

The simple fact of the matter is we are threadbare and this will be a tough test for what will be a 3rd strength team predominantly.

I was going for an even spread of options across the backline positions. You could have Lowe or DK at fullback if you prefer, and Frawley is an option at 10.

11. Lowe, 14. Adam Byrne, 15. Dave Kearney; 23. Tomane is hardly a weak back three.

You'd swear it was wall-to-wall first year academy players and guys who had just been called up from the AIL the way some people are going on

errlloyd

Lowe was in a Sam's barbers preparing for Movember today. So I guess he's not flying.

Burkie1203

4 years ago yesterday Slammin Sam signed for Bath. A great day for Leinster rugby as it would turn out.

kmart6

errlloyd wrote: »

Lowe was in a Sam's barbers preparing for Movember today. So I guess he's not flying.

How do they correlate?

Rigor Mortis

kmart6 wrote: »

How do they correlate?

The fall of the House of Lancaster

AdamD

Always found that to be a funny one, England were winning before they took him off the pitch.

Former Former

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

The fall of the House of Lancaster

The "how do they correlate" question was about the connection between Lowe getting a haircut and being left out of the squad for South Africa.

The answer is; they don't. The squad trained yesterday in Dublin so Lowe being in a barber's doesn't mean anything.

Thermoman12

errlloyd wrote: »

Lowe was in a Sam's barbers preparing for Movember today. So I guess he's not flying.

The squad haven’t even left yet

errlloyd

Oh right. Mad. Munster left ages ago. I guess maybe they're playing at alititude so want some more time.

kmart6

Former Former wrote: »

The "how do they correlate" question was about the connection between Lowe getting a haircut and being left out of the squad for South Africa.

The answer is; they don't. The squad trained yesterday in Dublin so Lowe being in a barber's doesn't mean anything.

Yeah that was my point, people trying to read in to things too much.

awec

Hope Lowe has checked his visa requirements.