Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread X: [****]

Serbian

I believe the kid was called George Morgan, he’d be around 18 now.

Thermoman12

Serbian wrote: »

I believe the kid was called George Morgan, he’d be around 18 now.

He started 10 in junior cup in 2016

troyzer

Thermoman12 wrote: »

Serbian wrote: »

I believe the kid was called George Morgan, he’d be around 18 now.

He started 10 in junior cup in 2016

So he's not going to play professional rugby.

Ah well, just curious to know what happened to him.

troyzer

He was just elected school captain according to the most recent newsletter, whatever that means.

It's not in the sport section. Do private schools just have captains?

So weird, you'd be glassed in my school for being "captain".

D14Rugby

I'm going to assume all the mods are offline or something and as such not seeing what everyone else is

troyzer

D14Rugby wrote: »

I'm going to assume all the mods are offline or something and as such not seeing what everyone else is

What do you mean?

Burkie1203

aloooof wrote: »

I really just meant this in jest (and I don't want to go over old ground) but is it that arbitrary? I'm trying to think of other similar cases and whether they resulted in a yellow or red. To me it seems like the Baloucoune incident is almost the exception that proves the rule?

Ashley Johnson on Dave Kearney
Willie Le Roux on TOH

Both YC, both later got bans

salmocab

troyzer wrote: »

What do you mean?

The deleted posts about a certain school I’d imagine

Buer

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Ashley Johnson on Dave Kearney
Willie Le Roux on TOH

Both YC, both later got bans

Just coming back to this, I wonder if anyone saw the incident with Mike Brown from last weekend? Wasps scrum half near the sideline sent up a high box kick. Brown came to collect. Was under it and then took a few steps of a run up to launch himself and gather in the air. Josh Bassett was chasing for Wasps. He never got off the ground. Threw an arm up in the air and bundled sideways into the airborne Brown. Brown caught the ball but came down on his head.

It was a less dramatic, less high impact incident than Conway/Lowe but the outcome and particulars were very, very similar. Referee waved play on. No penalty, card or citing (that I am aware of) came of it. Brown came out this week in the media angrily commenting on the lack of protection afforded to him and asking where the response was from the referee who claimed he didn't see it (although it was replayed multiple times, the touch judge was a few metres away and a TMO was available).

I entirely endorse the red card and suspension for Lowe. But the continuing lack of consistency is ridiculous. With the availability of citations and a TMO, there is absolutely no reason for decisions not having some degree of consistency.

First Up

Buer wrote:

I entirely endorse the red card and suspension for Lowe. But the continuing lack of consistency is ridiculous. With the availability of citations and a TMO, there is absolutely no reason for decisions not having some degree of consistency.

Appointing referees who didn't play for one of the teams might be a good start.

The two week ban for Lowe was the minimum they could give without admitting the ref was wrong.

Lowe (and Leinster) should get brownie points for playing along and not pointing out that the offence he was actually charged with (tackle, charge, pull, push or grasp a player in the air) didn't happen.

They took one for the system.

sydthebeat

First Up wrote: »

Appointing referees who didn't play for one of the teams might be a good start.

The two week ban for Lowe was the minimum they could give without admitting the ref was wrong.

Lowe (and Leinster) should get brownie points for playing along and not pointing out that the offence he was actually charged with (tackle, charge, pull, push or grasp a player in the air) didn't happen.

They took one for the system.

rubbish.

only ill-informed or ignorant spectators could argue that that red card was not warranted.

stephen_n

First Up wrote: »

Appointing referees who didn't play for one of the teams might be a good start.

The two week ban for Lowe was the minimum they could give without admitting the ref was wrong.

Lowe (and Leinster) should get brownie points for playing along and not pointing out that the offence he was actually charged with (tackle, charge, pull, push or grasp a player in the air) didn't happen.

They took one for the system.

Bang, bang, bang, going to keep beating that drum no matter what.

You were wrong, just accept it and move on.

First Up

sydthebeat wrote:

only ill-informed or ignorant spectators could argue that that red card was not warranted.

OK, so which of the actions specified in the rule did he make?

Clegg

The Indo says Cian Kelleher is coming back to Leinster on a 2 year deal. Good player, but wouldn't make our best 23.

Squidgy Black

Clegg wrote: »

The Indo says Cian Kelleher is coming back to Leinster on a 2 year deal. Good player, but wouldn't make our best 23.

Would be a waste of a signing to be honest. He's shown some good stuff in attack, but his defence is still a weak point. Can't really see much of a gap between Byrne/Daly and himself that would be worth re-signing him. Unless it's a case that Connacht are talking about not renewing his contract and we're getting him cheap.

First Up

stephen_n wrote:

You were wrong, just accept it and move on.

On the contrary, the two week ban shows that the red card was harsh and other refs (especially ones not affiliated to one of the teams) could take a different view - as per the example quoted.

arsebiscuits1

First Up wrote: »

OK, so which of the actions specified in the rule did he make?

Lowe was subsequently cited under Law 9.17, which states that “a player must not tackle, charge, pull, push or grasp an opponent whose feet are off the ground.”

While I think it's probably a fruitless endeavour engaging with you, I do want to see your logic.

It's there in bold. Lowe clearly charges and/ or pushes Conway.

You don't have to like it. But there is a rule there. Lowe broke it. It's done and now we can move on until the papers bring it up at the next interpro :pac:

aloooof

First Up wrote: »

On the contrary, the two week ban shows that the red card was harsh and other refs (especially ones not affiliated to one of the teams) could take a different view - as per the example quoted.

Logic probably not your strong point there, fella.

arsebiscuits1

First Up wrote: »

Appointing referees who didn't play for one of the teams might be a good start.

The two week ban for Lowe was the minimum they could give without admitting the ref was wrong.

Lowe (and Leinster) should get brownie points for playing along and not pointing out that the offence he was actually charged with (tackle, charge, pull, push or grasp a player in the air) didn't happen.

They took one for the system.

Do you really think Murphy being an ex Munster player had anything to do with it?

You realise who you are referring to is a person and it's their reputation and integrity you're bringing into question.

Not only bringing it into question. You're questioning it based on a decision they got correct :pac:

Squidgy Black

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Do you really think Murphy being an ex Munster player had anything to do with it?

You realise who you are referring to is a person and it's their reputation and integrity you're bringing into question.

Not only bringing it into question. You're questioning it based on a decision they got correct :pac:

arsebiscuits1

Squidgy Black wrote: »

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arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

While I think it's probably a fruitless endeavour engaging with you, I do want to see your logic.

Even trolls have logic. I merely want to see what it is :pac:

First Up

arsebiscuits1 wrote:

You realise who you are referring to is a person and it's their reputation and integrity you're bringing into question.

No, I think it was a mistake to put a Cork based, Munster affiliated and former Munster player in as referee into that situation. His first instinct was yellow but he succumbed to the pressure of the situation and the baying crowd.

I strongly suspect a "plea bargain" was agreed in advance of yesterday. Leinster looked at the options (Lowe probably not in the 23 for Toulouse anyway) and decided to play along.

arsebiscuits1

First Up wrote: »

No, I think it was a mistake to put a Cork based, Munster affiliated and former Munster player in as referee into that situation. His first instinct was yellow but he succumbed to the pressure of the situation and the baying crowd.

I strongly suspect a "plea bargain" was agreed in advance of yesterday. Leinster looked at the options (Lowe probably not in the 23 for Toulouse anyway) and decided to play along.

Buer

Jesus Christ, please stop engaging.

Anyway, Kelleher would be a very odd signing. I know we're slightly short in the back three at the moment but we've still managed to put out decent enough wingers in every game to date despite the multiple injuries.

Would anyone start Kelleher ahead of McFadden, Byrne, DK, Daly, Larmour or Lowe? I wouldn't. He's good going forward but his defence is very poor. His effort for the Ulster try last weekend was cartoonish. I don't think I've ever seen a player let a high ball land on their head before.

If it does happen to be a potential deal, then I can only imagine that we're losing someone from the above list. I don't think the move would make any sense from his own perspective either. He's getting game time in Connacht and has improved, in fairness. He's going to get far less in Leinster and that will see his development stagnate. It will be Fionn Carr all over again (with less tries).

First Up

I'll take that as a concession.

thomond2006

I can only assume Barry Daly and/or Dave Kearney is leaving if Cian Kelleher returns. I doubt it's a case of Connacht moving on, he's been a regular this season and played 12 Pro14 games last season.

Former Former

thomond2006 wrote: »

I can only assume Barry Daly and/or Dave Kearney is leaving if Cian Kelleher returns. I doubt it's a case of Connacht moving on, he's been a regular this season and played 12 Pro14 games last season.

He wouldn't be leaving but there has to be a doubt over Dave Kearney's ability to continue. He's been permanently injured for about three years now. Likewise McFadden turns 33 in the summer and has had two bad hamstring injuries in the last seven months, plus Rob Kearney is only contracted until November. We could find ourselves very short in the back three next year.

Wouldn't be hugely enthused about Kelleher returning tbh, I don't think he's much more than squad depth.

Zzippy

First Up wrote: »

I'll take that as a concession.

You can take it any way you like but if you post on this topic again you will be banned. You've had a red card for trolling, that will be upgraded to a ban if you continue. Move on folks.

Clegg

Former Former wrote: »

thomond2006 wrote: »

I can only assume Barry Daly and/or Dave Kearney is leaving if Cian Kelleher returns. I doubt it's a case of Connacht moving on, he's been a regular this season and played 12 Pro14 games last season.

He wouldn't be leaving but there has to be a doubt over Dave Kearney's ability to continue. He's been permanently injured for about three years now. Likewise McFadden turns 33 in the summer and has had two bad hamstring injuries in the last seven months, plus Rob Kearney is only contracted until November. We could find ourselves very short in the back three next year.

Wouldn't be hugely enthused about Kelleher returning tbh.

The potential Kelleher signing could be about succession planning. Leinster have a few outside backs the wrong side of 30 and with poor injury records. Dave K is a bit younger but has major fitness issues too. Makes sense to get a younger player in who actually has some experience at pro level.

Buer

If we are going to be down some depth on the wing come next season, I wonder would they consider giving either of the O'Brien's a run out there to get them some additional game time at senior level. I know Conor O'Brien has played there at AIL level and for Ireland at U20. Given his GAA background, we could have an interesting weapon there in a Horgan-esque type winger