Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread X: [****]

Buer

Seatbelt tackle and unfortunately a penalty now, most likely.

awec

Was it Nadolo who bounced Kearney two years ago?

Dubinusa

Not writing Byrne off. It's obvious he has major shortcomings in defense!
All players have some type of shortcoming.
Anyway, if Toner is out this weekend and out l/o struggles, I think we'll lose.
Our game plan revolves around strong set piece and if we can't secure clean ball from the l/ o. I see us on the back foot.
I think a tight possession game mixed with some aerial bombs, may serve us well.
A kind of Munster gameplan.

thomond2006

I can't wait for Saturday. The first game in October was one of the best European games for years.

Former Former

awec wrote: »

Was it Nadolo who bounced Kearney two years ago?

I'd say he's bounced pretty much everyone he's played. Don't think anyone would be too hard on Byrne for that.

errlloyd

awec wrote: »

Was it Nadolo who bounced Kearney two years ago?

Yeah it was, I was at that game behind the posts, the ease at which they scored was saddening. Get the ball wide to Nadolo off set piece. 1 v 1 with Kearney, no chance.

awec

Former Former wrote: »

I'd say he's bounced pretty much everyone he's played. Don't think anyone would be too hard on Byrne for that.

Yea that's my point. Failing to tackle Nadolo is not really something to worry about.

connemara man

awec wrote: »

Was it Nadolo who bounced (insert player name here) (any time amount) ago?

FYP

stephen_n

awec wrote: »

Yea that's my point. Failing to tackle Nadolo is not really something to worry about.

That isn’t the issue people have with Byrnes defence though. The nature of his attempts that day would be worrying, but given it was Nadolo, you wouldn’t read too much into it. It’s his general positioning and dithering defensively that causes most concern. It hasn’t been an issue so far this season though.

Buer

Buer wrote: »

Seatbelt tackle and unfortunately a penalty now, most likely.

That's not a seat belt tackle that's a piggy back.

On a related albeit off topic point, I remember the return leg two seasons ago with Montpellier, I was right on the sidelines and Nadolo was absolutely dwarfing Heaslip. I'm fairly tall and Heaslip is a good deal bigger than I am, Nadolo is best described as optical illusion sized, he's hard to believe.

I passed Larmour on the street the other day and he's relatively short and broad but not big.

Amazing that they play the same position in the same game!

thomond2006

thomond2006 wrote: »

I can't wait for Saturday. The first game in October was one of the best European games for years.

Had a real vintage feel, despite it being a problematic loss for Leinster it was a classic French thriller with everything you could ask from European rugby.

Shefwedfan

aloooof wrote: »

How much game time to you expect him to get during the 6 Nations?

I would say he will start all the games unless injury

aloooof

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I would say he will start all the games unless injury

I meant Ireland games.

Shefwedfan

aloooof wrote: »

I meant Ireland games.

Well you should have said that..... :P:P:P:P

aloooof

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Well you should have said that..... :P:P:P:P

I did. Could be read both ways. And your answer is?

In fact, it's indicative that you answered referring to Leinster.

Richie_Rich89

Think I'd go for:

1. Cian Healy
2. James Tracy
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Devin Toner
5. James Ryan
6. Rhys Ruddock
7. Dan Leavy
8. Jack Conan
9. Luke McGrath
10. Ross Byrne
11. Rory O'Loughlin
12. Conor O'Brien
13. Garry Ringrose
14. Adam Byrne
15. Robert Kearney

16. Bryan Byrne
17. Edward Byrne
18. Andrew Porter
19. Scott Fardy
20. Max Deegan
21. Jamison Gibson-Park
22. Ciarán Frawley
23. Jordan Larmour

Leinstertomas

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Think I'd go for:

1. Cian Healy
2. James Tracy
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Devin Toner
5. James Ryan
6. Rhys Ruddock
7. Dan Leavy
8. Jack Conan
9. Luke McGrath
10. Ross Byrne
11. Rory O'Loughlin
12. Conor O'Brien
13. Garry Ringrose
14. Adam Byrne
15. Robert Kearney

16. Bryan Byrne
17. Edward Byrne
18. Andrew Porter
19. Scott Fardy
20. Max Deegan
21. Jamison Gibson-Park
22. Ciarán Frawley
23. Jordan Larmour

No Cronin or VdF in 23? Also think that backline is too light so would start Larmour on wing instead of O'Loughlin.

Exclamation Marc

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Think I'd go for:

1. Cian Healy
2. James Tracy
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Devin Toner
5. James Ryan
6. Rhys Ruddock
7. Dan Leavy
8. Jack Conan
9. Luke McGrath
10. Ross Byrne
11. Rory O'Loughlin
12. Conor O'Brien
13. Garry Ringrose
14. Adam Byrne
15. Robert Kearney

16. Bryan Byrne
17. Edward Byrne
18. Andrew Porter
19. Scott Fardy
20. Max Deegan
21. Jamison Gibson-Park
22. Ciarán Frawley
23. Jordan Larmour

Is Sean Cronin injured? Otherwise I'd say he's a nailed on starter. VDF on the bench ahead of Deegan. Noel Reid I would imagine will be in line to start ahead of O'brien.

Heymans

Dubinusa wrote: »

Not writing Byrne off. It's obvious he has major shortcomings in defense!
All players have some type of shortcoming.
Anyway, if Toner is out this weekend and out l/o struggles, I think we'll lose.
Our game plan revolves around strong set piece and if we can't secure clean ball from the l/ o. I see us on the back foot.
I think a tight possession game mixed with some aerial bombs, may serve us well.
A kind of Munster gameplan.

I wrote this a few pages ago but I think there will be opportunities to score some tries if we pressure them and look to exploit space in the centres. Ntamack and Guitone left yards of space open against Wasps in the Ricoh where at least 3/4 tries were scored by Daly et al. I think if Ringrose is hungry andf our pack fronts up physically we'll do enough to win. But bonus might be too much to ask.

Richie_Rich89

Leinstertomas wrote: »

No Cronin or VdF in 23? Also think that backline is too light so would start Larmour on wing instead of O'Loughlin.

I think Deegan would offer more impact than JvdF off the bench. van der Flier would obviously start though if Leavy doesn't make it

Rory O'Loughlin is considerably bigger than Larmour, so your second point doesn't exactly make sense

Faugheen

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

I think Deegan would offer more impact than JvdF off the bench. van der Flier would obviously start though if Leavy doesn't make it

Rory O'Loughlin is considerably bigger than Larmour, so your second point doesn't exactly make sense

There's absolutely nothing to suggest that Deegan would offer more than VDF off the bench. Literally zero evidence to back up that claim.

Imagine not starting one of your best players this season, never mind having him on the bench.

Ah, I just remembered VDF has a Dutch surname. Makes sense now.

stephen_n

Ehm obvious troll is obviously trolling and yet the quotes still come

Thermoman12

stephen_n wrote: »

Ehm obvious troll is obviously trolling and yet the quotes still come

Bit of an insult to Deegan, calling someone a troll for putting him on the bench

Squidgy Black

stephen_n wrote: »

Ehm obvious troll is obviously trolling and yet the quotes still come

Wonder could we make an advisory list of people to place on ignore

Dubinusa

There's 2 Hope's of ROL starting on the wing ahead of Larmour.
Bob Hope and no hope.
I would go with Reid at 12 also.

Healy
Treacy
Furlong
Ryan
Toner / Fardy
Ruddock
VDF
Conan

Luke McGrath
Sexton / Byrne
Larmour
Reid
Ringrose
AB
RK

Cronin
McGrath
Porter
Fardy / Molony
Leavy
JGP
Byrne / Frawley
ROL

stephen_n

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Wonder could we make an advisory list of people to place on ignore

Be better if boards could just block quotes from people on your ignore list.

Thermoman12

Thermoman12 wrote: »

Bit of an insult to Deegan, calling someone a troll for putting him on the bench

Plenty of posters on here have plenty of previous so I'm sure Max Deegan won't take anything too personally.

Joshy V played every minute of Ireland's recent victory over the All Blacks - Max Deegan is an uncapped player albeit with buckets of potential. I doubt you will find much by way of debate anywhere between who people would pick for the bench, and that's no insult to Max.

stephen_n

Dubinusa wrote: »

There's 2 Hope's of ROL starting on the wing ahead of Larmour.
Bob Hope and no hope.
I would go with Reid at 12 also.

Healy
Treacy
Furlong
Ryan
Toner / Fardy
Ruddock
VDF
Conan

Luke McGrath
Sexton / Byrne
Larmour
Reid
Ringrose
AB
RK

Cronin
McGrath
Porter
Fardy / Molony
Leavy
JGP
Byrne / Frawley
ROL

ROL has gone very well with Ringrose in pretty big games, I'd be sticking with that.

Suspectman123

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Think I'd go for:

1. Cian Healy
2. James Tracy
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Devin Toner
5. James Ryan
6. Rhys Ruddock
7. Dan Leavy
8. Jack Conan
9. Luke McGrath
10. Ross Byrne
11. Rory O'Loughlin
12. Conor O'Brien
13. Garry Ringrose
14. Adam Byrne
15. Robert Kearney

16. Bryan Byrne
17. Edward Byrne
18. Andrew Porter
19. Scott Fardy
20. Max Deegan
21. Jamison Gibson-Park
22. Ciarán Frawley
23. Jordan Larmour

Jordan Larnour is a dead cert to start, he’ll be on the wing with ROL at 12, he’s been very good there along with Ringrose
Can’t see COB anywhere near that team for this game
Cronin a dead cert too, by far away our best hooker