Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread X: [****]

Synode · 13-01-2019 7:12pm

They shouldn't have put the hat and glasses on him

Squidgy Black · 13-01-2019 7:53pm

Synode wrote: »

They shouldn't have put the hat and glasses on him

That's the whole point, De Valera.

troyzer · 13-01-2019 7:55pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Synode wrote: »

They shouldn't have put the hat and glasses on him

That's the whole point, De Valera.

Yeah....

Don't think he got it at all.

mystic86 · 13-01-2019 9:18pm

So Leinster could end up facing Ulster in the quarter final and Munster in the semi final, interesting!

Burkie1203 · 13-01-2019 9:34pm

mystic86 wrote: »

So Leinster could end up facing Ulster in the quarter final and Munster in the semi final, interesting!

Munster are likely to be QF4. Will play winner of QF1 in SF.

Leinster won't be in QF1 barring a few shocks next weekend

mystic86 · 13-01-2019 9:54pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Munster are likely to be QF4. Will play winner of QF1 in SF.

Leinster won't be in QF1 barring a few shocks next weekend

Not according to the epc website:

"The winner of QF1 will play the winner of QF2 in one semi-final, and the winner of QF3 will play the winner of QF4 in the other semi-final as follows:

Semi-final 1: winner QF1 v winner QF2
Semi-final 2: winner QF3 v winner QF4"

troyzer · 13-01-2019 9:58pm

mystic86 wrote: »

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Munster are likely to be QF4. Will play winner of QF1 in SF.

Leinster won't be in QF1 barring a few shocks next weekend

Not according to the epc website:

"The winner of QF1 will play the winner of QF2 in one semi-final, and the winner of QF3 will play the winner of QF4 in the other semi-final as follows:

Semi-final 1: winner QF1 v winner QF2
Semi-final 2: winner QF3 v winner QF4"

What happened to seeding?

irishbucsfan · 13-01-2019 9:59pm

troyzer wrote: »

What happened to seeding?

Seeding determines home advantage

Dravokivich · 13-01-2019 10:00pm

troyzer wrote: »

What happened to seeding?

Seeding went with rejiging the competition didn't it?

troyzer · 13-01-2019 10:06pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

What happened to seeding?

Seeding went with rejiging the competition didn't it?

No. The whole point is if you're a top two seed, you get home field advantage throughout.

I would have thought that they'd keep the seeds after the quarter final as well.

Eod100 · 13-01-2019 10:12pm

Arent they still in different brackets? Unless I'm missing something .
Club 1 v Club 8 (QF1)
Club 4 v Club 5 (QF2)
Club 3 v Club 6 (QF3)
Club 2 v Club 7 (QF4)

The winner of QF1 will play the winner of QF2 in one semi-final, and the winner of QF3 will play the winner of QF4 in the other semi-final as follows:

Semi-final 1: winner QF1 v winner QF2
Semi-final 2: winner QF3 v winner QF4

troyzer · 13-01-2019 10:15pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Arent they still in different brackets? Unless I'm missing something .
Club 1 v Club 8 (QF1)
Club 4 v Club 5 (QF2)
Club 3 v Club 6 (QF3)
Club 2 v Club 7 (QF4)

The winner of QF1 will play the winner of QF2 in one semi-final, and the winner of QF3 will play the winner of QF4 in the other semi-final as follows:

Semi-final 1: winner QF1 v winner QF2
Semi-final 2: winner QF3 v winner QF4

That's completely unjust though.

It leads to a scenario where the top seed could play 4th in the semi whereas the 3rd seed could play 7th.

How is that even remotely fair?

awec · 13-01-2019 10:16pm

They should just do a draw for the semis to be honest, with home advantage decided by the seedings.

irishbucsfan · 13-01-2019 10:17pm

troyzer wrote: »

That's completely unjust though.

It leads to a scenario where the top seed could play 4th in the semi whereas the 3rd seed could play 7th.

How is that even remotely fair?

Not all pools are created equally. Seeding is not the magical silver bullet and it shouldn’t be over-rewarded.

troyzer · 13-01-2019 10:17pm

awec wrote: »

They should just do a draw for the semis to be honest, with home advantage decided by the seedings.

Or just reseed every round.

There's no perfect way of doing it but creating a situation where the top seed in the competition can get the tougher team in the semi hardly seems fair.

Synode · 13-01-2019 10:18pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

That's the whole point, De Valera.

I know that but the slogan would have been enough. You can barely even tell its Toner with them

awec · 13-01-2019 10:19pm

troyzer wrote: »

Or just reseed every round.

There's no perfect way of doing it but creating a situation where the top seed in the competition can get the tougher team in the semi hardly seems fair.

The seeding is based on pool performance, so being top seed is influenced a lot by the luck of the draw.

mystic86 · 13-01-2019 10:20pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Arent they still in different brackets? Unless I'm missing something .
Club 1 v Club 8 (QF1)
Club 4 v Club 5 (QF2)
Club 3 v Club 6 (QF3)
Club 2 v Club 7 (QF4)

The winner of QF1 will play the winner of QF2 in one semi-final, and the winner of QF3 will play the winner of QF4 in the other semi-final as follows:

Semi-final 1: winner QF1 v winner QF2
Semi-final 2: winner QF3 v winner QF4

Yes, but Saracens and Racing both likely to finish higher than Leinster

troyzer · 13-01-2019 10:20pm

awec wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

Or just reseed every round.

There's no perfect way of doing it but creating a situation where the top seed in the competition can get the tougher team in the semi hardly seems fair.

The seeding is based on pool performance, so being top seed is influenced a lot by the luck of the draw.

Right, but you can still only beat what's in front of you.

I dunno, seems like there's still a bit of tweaking that can be done.

Eod100 · 13-01-2019 10:22pm

troyzer wrote: »

That's completely unjust though.

It leads to a scenario where the top seed could play 4th in the semi whereas the 3rd seed could play 7th.

How is that even remotely fair?

That's my understanding of the rules. Whether it's fair is probably another debate but think 1st already gets advantage of playing 8th at home in qf, and will get home semi.

awec · 13-01-2019 10:23pm

They should trial a model where the quarter finals are also a draw, with the top 4 teams being seeded so they can't draw each other and are guaranteed a home game.

Then another draw for the semi final.

It seems fairer, and would resolve some of the inequalities you have from the pools.

The downside being that there's no difference between being 1st seed or 4th seed, or 5th or 8th so I guess the argument might be it causes some dead rubber games in the final weekend of pool games.

troyzer · 13-01-2019 10:29pm

awec wrote: »

They should trial a model where the quarter finals are also a draw, with the top 4 teams being seeded so they can't draw each other and are guaranteed a home game.

Then another draw for the semi final.

It seems fairer, and would resolve some of the inequalities you have from the pools.

The downside being that there's no difference between being 1st seed or 4th seed, or 5th or 8th so I guess the argument might be it causes some dead rubber games in the final weekend of pool games.

The NFL has a tie breaker based on strength of schedule where it takes into account the records of the teams you played against.

I wonder if that could work.

awec · 13-01-2019 10:30pm

troyzer wrote: »

The NFL has a tie breaker based on strength of schedule where it takes into account the records of the teams you played against.

I wonder if that could work.

I think the Champions Cup has enough head wrecking permutations with the bonus point system that any more variables like this would just cause mass confusion.

troyzer · 13-01-2019 10:34pm

awec wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

The NFL has a tie breaker based on strength of schedule where it takes into account the records of the teams you played against.

I wonder if that could work.

I think the Champions Cup has enough head wrecking permutations with the bonus point system that any more variables like this would just cause mass confusion.

Yeah maybe. There are no bonus points or anything like that in the NFL as well so it's much simpler.

Podge_irl · 13-01-2019 10:41pm

troyzer wrote: »

The NFL has a tie breaker based on strength of schedule where it takes into account the records of the teams you played against.

I wonder if that could work.

Not really. You play 13 different teams in the NFL and they all play 13 different teams as well. The strength of schedule makes some sense there, but in a round robin group it doesn't really apply.

Eod100 · 13-01-2019 10:44pm

mystic86 wrote: »

Yes, but Saracens and Racing both likely to finish higher than Leinster

Yeah Leinster likely 2nd or 3rd. Munster 4th or 5th. Either way not paired together in semi

mystic86 · 13-01-2019 10:57pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah Leinster likely 2nd or 3rd. Munster 4th or 5th. Either way not paired together in semi

Sorry. I read the order of the QFs wrong.

RockBoysarewii · 13-01-2019 11:04pm

If Tallaght Stadium is increased to 10,000 odd capacity and Dalymount Park gets renovated do you think there is any merit in having games played there?

troyzer · 13-01-2019 11:05pm

RockBoysarewii wrote: »

If Tallaght Stadium is increased to 10,000 odd capacity and Dalymount Park gets renovated do you think there is any merit in having games played there?

Not really.

And I say that as someone who could cycle to Tallaght stadium from my house.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 13-01-2019 11:09pm

RockBoysarewii wrote: »

If Tallaght Stadium is increased to 10,000 odd capacity and Dalymount Park gets renovated do you think there is any merit in having games played there?

Might be nice to move Leinster A out of Donnybrook.

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