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One advantage of brexit is its easy spot the racists when they are pro-brexit and they say they voted leave to keep the blacks out of the UK.
You know...."the blacks", that come from common wealth and former empire countrys :pac:
Was it the blacks or the East Europeans they had the most complaining about?
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Garrett Thundering Log wrote: »Correct about the more eastern new EU countries, think it was Romania that just overtook Irish (as the 2nd most ethnic group in the UK). Which is rather an achievement considering their right to work and live there was very recent..
Flights are cheaper now then they were from Ireland years ago
People are more likely to travel.
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well done Fran, don't have a decent response, so resort to the good ole tried and tested ad hominem
Just commenting on this vague 'twas Thatcher something something' logic of Brexiteers. You will also here 'Churchill something something' etc etc.how do you figure that one out, or are you doing the one plus one equals something that makes a story people might possibly believe?
so it had nothing to do with the world recession in the early seventies, very poor labour relations and the 1973 oil crisis then, it was all because the UK government arbitrarily decide to borrow money from the IMF?
I am saying it was primarily because Britain was constantly in debt to the IMF since WW2 that eventually led to the crisis.
They only got out of it because they joined the EEC and because of the revenues from Scottish oil.
It is basic economic history.their head quarters is in Washington. But given that, please provide some evidence of this rumour.
The UK is one of the largest contributors to the IMF though, so maybe that is where you are getting your misinformation from?
Are you in denial that Britain was one of if not the largest borrower from the IMF in the period from the end of WW2 to joining the EEC???
*You want evidence to prove a rumour?err, the UK joined in 1973 (after originally applying in 1961) and in 1976 it called on the IMF. Can you explain how that is prosperity?
But, in 1979 Thatcher was elected and changed the economic policies of the UK and in 1982, unemployment went below 3 million for the first time since the 1930s.
Yes Thatcher's reforms were a footnote, the real reason can be seen clearly here.
The rising tide lifted the boats of the biggest members, some had a woman called Thatcher others didn't but recorded similar trajectories.
Stay in denial about it muttering 'but Thatcher, something something' if you wish, but most ecomomists agree on this fairly basic truism.
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FrancieBrady wrote: »Just commenting on this vague 'twas Thatcher something something' logic of Brexiteers. You will also here 'Churchill something something' etc etc.
The Thatcher government changing the UK's economic policies was a major factor, you will not find an economist that says otherwise.
I'm not sure what you are on about with the Churchill thing, that just sounds like inane babbling to me.FrancieBrady wrote: »I am saying it was primarily because Britain was constantly in debt to the IMF since WW2 that eventually led to the crisis.
They only got out of it because they joined the EEC and because of the revenues from Scottish oil.
you really misunderstand what the IMF is and how it operates. The UK used the IMF extensively, but that doesn't mean it was in debt to them. A country is only in debt to the IMF if it draws out more than its quota and is often used for little more than balancing its currency.
Quite how you equate that to mass unemployment, excessive borrowing by the Labour government followed by excessive printing of money and the oil crisis I don't know, but each to their own.
joining the EEC helped, but if the UK had joined without changing its monetary policies, it would still be in the ****. A quick glance south to Greece and Italy show that quite clearly.
Oil revenues helped as well, but then the oil crisis helped cause the problems as well so you could say that it is a double edged swordFrancieBrady wrote: »Are you in denial that Britain was one of if not the largest borrower from the IMF in the period from the end of WW2 to joining the EEC???
I'm not denying it, I just hadn't heard it before. A lot of the UK's post war restructuring was done through the IMF so it isn't surprising, but again, using the IMF and being in debt to them are two different things.FrancieBrady wrote: »*You want evidence to prove a rumour?
a rumour is usually well circulated, so it shouldn't be a problem, otherwise it is easy to consider that you just pulled the statement out of thin air and is, in fact, just a load of bull****.FrancieBrady wrote: »Yes Thatcher's reforms were a footnote, the real reason can be seen clearly here.
The rising tide lifted the boats of the biggest members, some had a woman called Thatcher others didn't but recorded similar trajectories.
Stay in denial about it muttering 'but Thatcher, something something' if you wish, but most ecomomists agree on this fairly basic truism.
the rising global economy played a huge part, of course, but Thatcher's shift to a monetary policy was also one of the main things. Neither was solely responsible, but neither would have worked for the UK without the other. The only footnote here is that around this time, the UK joined the EEC.
it is irrelevant though, because I know that to you Thatcher is worse than Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot so you are never going to accept that she did any good, but at least acknowledge that she was one of the architects of the free market and helped bring about the prosperity that we all enjoy from the ease of doing trade in europe.0 -
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FrancieBrady wrote: »Just commenting on this vague 'twas Thatcher something something' logic of Brexiteers. You will also here 'Churchill something something' etc etc.
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Doesn't mean anything if you don't look at pre 1973
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Not an economist, but it is clear, whether it was the cause or simply part of the reason, that the UK have done very well out of being within the EU.
Quite why they then want to throw all that away on vague notion of some 'grass is greener' stuff is beyond me.
They go on about being ruled by Brussels but UK turnout at the 2014 European Parliament election was 35.4%. This was up on the 34.5% in 2009 but below the 38.5% in 2004. They had no interest. They didn't care. Of course the people they sent over there didn't care either.
Look at Farage. He has a terrible record of turning up to debates about fisheries, yet all a sudden he is all over it.
Going back to the advantages of Brexit, I think the advantages of massive for Ireland, we just need to change our mindset that we are a smaller version of the UK. We have common law, English Speaking, close affinity culturally (at least I thought we did until recently) with the US.
So in the area of FDI, which we have been very successful at, we will shortly have a distinct advantage over the UK when US companies are considering locating a European office.
In the area of higher education, the UK has moved away from international students, a major area, and with us speaking English we will continue to be very attractive to students from all over the world as a English speaking entry to the EU market and jobs.
Law and banking. The UK, not just because of the EU but it has played a major role, has a very large and developed legal and banking sectors servicing the EU. This is an area that we can start to take away from the UK. We are limited by numerous factors but the possibilities exist.
Brexit certainly brings up major challenges to Ireland, but it also provides a once in a generation opportunity if we can realign ourselves to take advantage of it.
It isn't hard to see why the big cheer went up when Brexiteers thought they had in May, found a new Thatcher.
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It certainly could, and Trump could start WW3, and NK might launch a Nuke, and China might.....
So the answer is to remove oneself from having any influence? How will that help?
Don't mention the aul W3, not with the biblical blood moon due out tommorow beside a red Mars, and that lad in Iran getting a bit shirty in response to Trump's Twatter banter.
A random search on the googlebot images has an interesting image.
(Somewhat in jest) but this sort of economic union (inc maybe N'America also) would be required just to 'economically compete' with a China Superpowerhouse of 2050. India also could become as powerful later in 2070.0 -
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Not an economist, but it is clear, whether it was the cause or simply part of the reason, that the UK have done very well out of being within the EU.
Quite why they then want to throw all that away on vague notion of some 'grass is greener' stuff is beyond me.
the "UK" may have done well out of the EU, but as with pretty much every country in Europe, those benefits aren't evenly distributed. That is what causes dissatisfaction.Going back to the advantages of Brexit, I think the advantages of massive for Ireland, we just need to change our mindset that we are a smaller version of the UK. We have common law, English Speaking, close affinity culturally (at least I thought we did until recently) with the US.
So in the area of FDI, which we have been very successful at, we will shortly have a distinct advantage over the UK when US companies are considering locating a European office.
There is a certain degree of delusion about how the English language is an advantage for Ireland. If you go to Hungary or Slovakia, for example, there are a whole host of global companies there exploiting the very cheap and highly skilled workforce. All of whom speak excellent English.In the area of higher education, the UK has moved away from international students, a major area, and with us speaking English we will continue to be very attractive to students from all over the world as a English speaking entry to the EU market and jobs.
In what way is the UK turning away from International students? or are you trying to imply that students will turn down Edinburgh, Cambridge or Oxford for Trinity or UCD?
No, you're not surely?Law and banking. The UK, not just because of the EU but it has played a major role, has a very large and developed legal and banking sectors servicing the EU. This is an area that we can start to take away from the UK. We are limited by numerous factors but the possibilities exist.
And until those factors are addressed, then there is zero chance of taking the cream away from London.FrancieBrady wrote: »It isn't hard to see why the big cheer went up when Brexiteers thought they had in May, found a new Thatcher.:D
they have breasts and they are in the conservative party. can you give me any other similarities?And the EU of 2025 may have yet an altogether different look if Schultz gets his way
The good ole US of E.
Anyone who objects to that is just being racist, disruptive and getting in the way of progress I guess0 -
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they have breasts and they are in the conservative party. can you give me any other similarities?
It wasn't me making the similarities. I was commenting on those souls who thought they had found a new Thatcher. Open your eyes Aegir, you may then see what is actually being written and what is going on around you.
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