advantages of Brexit

FrancieBrady

Taytoland wrote: »

Go ahead, see how it works out for you.

Far as I can see, there is no change in our (the EU's) position and there hasn't been since day one.

Over to you guys.

ozmo

beertons wrote: »

Getting Duty free stuff in the airport.

But then paying Duty and Import tax on everything from Amazon.

Taytoland

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Go ahead, see how it works out for you.

Far as I can see, there is no change in our (the EU's) position and there hasn't been since day one.

Over to you guys.

Yeah, that's why it's going to be a no deal and destroy the Irish agri food sector. Let's see what your agri food sector does when it can't sell it's food to the UK.

PeadarCo

The Rape of Lucretia wrote:

Yes, not that it is planning to leave the EU (though if the UK does indeed go ahead with the Brexit, would have to be considered as the best solution to the northern issue, and possible for the economics of the south). But the impact on it will be huge - seriously being a very small economy so dependent on the UK, greater than on the UK itself.

Ireland is not economically dependent on the UK. How did you arrive at that?

Zubeneschamali

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Yes, but no deal means no food or medicine on the shelves, so it'll last less than a month.

And when they come knocking at the EUs door to ask for a deal, item #1 will be the Irish border. Again.

no food or medicines? how did you work that one out?

Spook_ie

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What fantasy have you opted into about the value of sterling after a crash out or no Deal Brexit?

No fantasy at all, sterling already crashed once, it will only crash again if it's believed to still be overvalued, which if it is just makes UK exports to the world cheaper after Brexit.

They'll likely go through a tough 5 to 10 years and emerge out of it with a more stable economy than the EU ( as they expand more and bring in more basket cases like Greece )

FrancieBrady

Taytoland wrote: »

Yeah, that's why it's going to be a no deal and destroy the Irish agri food sector. Let's see what your agri food sector does when it can't sell it's food to the UK.

I keep telling you, threats are not working.
The Chequers White Tissue Paper has been flushed down the proverbial.

It is over to you guys again.

FrancieBrady

Spook_ie wrote: »

No fantasy at all, sterling already crashed once, it will only crash again if it's believed to still be overvalued, which if it is just makes UK exports to the world cheaper after Brexit.

They'll likely go through a tough 5 to 10 years and emerge out of it with a more stable economy than the EU ( as they expand more and bring in more basket cases like Greece )

So they are basically gonna say to those regions that voted to stay...'bend over and take one for the next couple of decades...the future is bright'. And all will go swimmingly?

A lot of faith in the 'old Dunkirk spirit' there if I may be so bold to say! I might even call it a 'fantasy'.

blinding

How will a bad deal for Britain be good for the 26 Counties ?

MadYaker

PeadarCo wrote: »

Ireland is not economically dependent on the UK. How did you arrive at that?

Maybe not fully dependent but they are our largest single trading partner and anything that hurts them will hurt us, at least in the beginning.

FrancieBrady

blinding wrote: »

How will a bad deal for Britain be good for the 26 Counties ?

Have you been following this story at all? We know it is not going to be good for Ireland, north or south.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Taytoland wrote: »

Too late mate, you have EU bootlicker Leo Varadkar pushing ever closer Union. You gave up sovereignty years ago.

I think it can be comfortably argued that Irish people have far more sovereignty on an individual level now in comparison to the time of before our membership of the European Union. So on some levels you might say Ireland has lost some of its sovereignty on a national level to the EU, but on an individual level each Irish citizen has far more personal sovereignty over their lives than before.

I don't agree with your premise that Ireland gave its sovereignty away years ago, but if I pretend for a moment that what you have said there to be the absolute truth. What good is sovereignty to a nation with mass unemployment, mass emigration, huge income tax burdens, high levels of poverty and a tiny number of well paying jobs? The Ireland that existed before we entered the EU couldn't have even comprehended what the Ireland of today is.

blinding

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have you been following this story at all? We know it is not going to be good for Ireland, north or south.

At least you seem to be getting this . A lot of 26 county-ers seem to be doing some misplaced gloating .

Leroy42

Aegir wrote: »

no food or medicines? how did you work that one out?

Have a read of this, it deals with food only but the example holds true.

This is what no-deal Brexit actually looks like

http://politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

People simply do not understand the logistics and regulatory systems that work behind the scenes. An easy example of it is to look at the difference at passport control at the airport. One line for the EU, the other for non-EU. The Non-EU moves far more slowly. Simply extend that to goods and the outcome is the same.

jobbridge4life

http://www.thejournal.ie/cavan-bakery-brexit-4151560-Jul2018/

Looks like there could be some advantage for the people of Cavan.

FrancieBrady

blinding wrote: »

At least you seem to be getting this . A lot of 26 county-ers seem to be doing some misplaced gloating .

Is it any wonder when we have witnessed what we have snce this started? When you have the likes of Tayto threatening us?

Leroy42

Spook_ie wrote: »

They'll likely go through a tough 5 to 10 years and emerge out of it with a more stable economy than the EU ( as they expand more and bring in more basket cases like Greece )

On what basis will it be more stable?

And who is going to pay the price for this ten years of things being tough?

Leroy42

blinding wrote: »

At least you seem to be getting this . A lot of 26 county-ers seem to be doing some misplaced gloating .

Its not misplaced gloating. It is accepting that we have little power over this. And that this only enhances the belief that being in the EU is a far better place than being outside.

Brexit has shown us how easily and quickly those we counted as partners can toss aside our concerns for their own.

marieholmfan

marieholmfan wrote: »

Should be great for Cork if it all goes tits up! Cork airport doesn't overfly the UK (neither does Shannon for long haul)


What else will be great about Brexit. Please no jokes about £5 blowjobs in Hull.

€1.50 blowjobs in Hull?

sabat

JayZeus wrote: »

€1.50 blowjobs in Hull?

Blowjobs for a block of Kilmeaden Cheddar in Hull?

Taytoland

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Yeah, that's why it's going to be a no deal and destroy the Irish agri food sector. Let's see what your agri food sector does when it can't sell it's food to the UK.

I keep telling you, threats are not working.
The Chequers White Tissue Paper has been flushed down the proverbial.

It is over to you guys again.

I just told you what the UK is going to do. You seem to have missed that part.

sabat

sabat wrote: »

Blowjobs for a block of Kilmeaden Cheddar in Hull?

Post brexit exchange rate should be returning two BJ’s and a handjob for a pack of 10 slices.

If it’s the extra mature stuff.... okay. [shudder] I’ll stop right there.

jobbridge4life

Taytoland wrote: »

I just told you what the UK is going to do. You seem to have missed that part.

I also missed it, can you repeat it please? Could you maybe also let Theresa and co know?

Spook_ie

sabat wrote: »

Blowjobs for a block of Kilmeaden Cheddar in Hull?

Will it still be called Cheddar, when Cheddar is no longer in the EU?

blinding

Leroy42 wrote: »

Its not misplaced gloating. It is accepting that we have little power over this. And that this only enhances the belief that being in the EU is a far better place than being outside.

Brexit has shown us how easily and quickly those we counted as partners can toss aside our concerns for their own.

Are you saying the British should stay in the Eu for the sake of the 26 Counties . If you want to be an independent Country then you go for it as the 26 Counties did in 1922 .

The British people do not want the Eu running their Country or even having as much influence as it has had . Every Country has the right to be an Independent country if it chooses as the 26 counties did in1922 as DeValera formalised much later .

Leroy42

blinding wrote: »

Are you saying the British should stay in the Eu for the sake of the 26 Counties . If you want to be an independent Country then you go for it as the 26 Counties did in 1922 .

The British people do not want the Eu running their Country or even having as much influence as it has had . Every Country has the right to be an Independent country if it chooses as the 26 counties did in1922 as DeValera formalised much later .

Yes that is exactly what I said!

Of course they can do whatever they wish, Brexit is the very proof of that, and we have every right to do try to make the best of whatever situation we, as a country face.

And with freedom to make choices comes the responsibility to face the consequences. My comment was in response to a poster questioning people gloating. Nothing to do with whether they should or shouldn't.

The Irish see the global reality for what it is. We are a tiny part, insignificant, to the larger countries. They, rightly, put there wants over ours. Bearing that in mind, there comes a certain sense of contentment that we have aligned ourselves to the EU which will provide some buttress against the whims of our nearest neighbor.

I'm not happy with what is happening, and I'm aghast at just how badly it appears to be turning out. But I can't do anything about that. What gives some comfort is that over the last 20 years or so we have reduced both our economic and diplomatic reliance on the UK.

I see no upside to any of this, either for the UK or ourselves. But we are certainly in a better place to weather the damage because we are in the EU than if we weren't.

FrancieBrady

Taytoland wrote: »

I just told you what the UK is going to do. You seem to have missed that part.

That the UK is going to crash out to destroy the Irish Agri biz so that the Irish will support them in something they have already crashed out of,

I wish you were not in full fantasy mode and you were an advisor to TM

FrancieBrady

Spook_ie wrote: »

Will it still be called Cheddar, when Cheddar is no longer in the EU?

There are only a few products that have that legal exclusiveness to their name.

Leroy42

Leroy42 wrote: »

Have a read of this, it deals with food only but the example holds true.



http://politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

People simply do not understand the logistics and regulatory systems that work behind the scenes. An easy example of it is to look at the difference at passport control at the airport. One line for the EU, the other for non-EU. The Non-EU moves far more slowly. Simply extend that to goods and the outcome is the same.

Ahh, Politics.co.uk. The unbiased news site that just happens to only write pro labour/anti tory articles :rolleyes:

60% of food eaten in the UK is produced there, correct? that means that the article only applies to the 40%. Add in the exports of British food that apparently will no longer happen and it isn't exactly the doomsday scenario of no food on the shelves, is it? no deal doesn't mean imports and exports stop, only that they may be delayed. Of course, none of this applies to goods coming directly in to the UK from south America, New Zealand etc. anyway, because that will be subject to the same checks it has always been.

the UK doesn't produce all its own food, that doesn't mean it can't. worst case scenario is less choice or higher changes in seasonal goods.

The Uk is also a net exporter of Pharmaceuticals, so in all, the statement that no deal means no food or medicine on the selves is little more than the ramblings of a "Walking Dead" fan.

the time to start cracking open people's skulls and feeding on their brains is a long way yet.

ArchXStanton

jobbridge4life wrote: »

In both instances it was our own Government who chose to rerun the referendums and secured compromises for Ireland before running the second referendums. In both instances the public voted in favour of the compromise, those votes are as valid as any rejection, whether that suits your agenda or not.

Under enormous pressure from the EU,remember we were the Pariahs for voting no or who could forget Sarkozy "the Irish must vote again"...pure lap dogs,its fairly dubious democracy and notice it only happens when the EU don't get their way

Leroy42

The trade that the UK does with the likes of NZ etc is currently done under EU rules. They have no agreements on a crash out.

So yes, they can start to feed themselves, but what to you think is the reason they don't currently do so and export some? Because they can get food in cheaper and earn more money from exports.

So, prices will rise and profits will fall. Hardly a good start.

And in that 60% there are things that are required to be imported to keep that 60% going. Take for example the silage issue earlier this year. Ireland needed to import silage. If we can't that effects the output on the farms. But does the UK have the capacity to fill the 40%? If not then there will be shortages. But I guess people eat to much anyway so that isn't a problem.

And as explained in the article, even an increase in 2 minutes on checks will lead to significant delays, leading to produce not being able to be sold.

Will the UK survive of course it will. People live through wars and disasters. But to inflict that on themselves is utter madness.

They could of course simply throw open the borders to avoid any issues, but then you can forget about exports as no EU country will take any produce in as it can't be verified.

You pass a change in diet of as just something that will be accepted by millions. Its the little things that p1ss people off. Its not the international trade agreements or Brexit, people don't understand them and have bigger things to worry about. But taking away their favorite foods? You don't think that is going to cause a problem?

Leroy42

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Under enormous pressure from the EU,remember we were the Pariahs for voting no or who could forget Sarkozy "the Irish must vote again"...pure lap dogs,its fairly dubious democracy and notice it only happens when the EU don't get their way

Great, so is your solution that we leave and operate outside of the EU?

Say goodbye FDI for a start. Goodbye EU funding for projects?

badtoro

Biggest advantage so far is the comedy of the situation the British have got themselves into. Damned if they go, damned if they stay, and expecting the tender mercies of the Trump administration to gift them a beneficial trade deal.

FrancieBrady

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Under enormous pressure from the EU,remember we were the Pariahs for voting no or who could forget Sarkozy "the Irish must vote again"...pure lap dogs,its fairly dubious democracy and notice it only happens when the EU don't get their way

I get the point and agree the EU needs constant reform to guard the interests of smaller states.
But what exactly did the state with more significant opt outs and vetos than anyone else, have to do, that it didn't want to do?

ozmo

prinzeugen wrote: »

...extra stockpiling is going on just now because of the weather.

Its nothing to do with Britex.....

Comment From May herself:

"Brexit: Theresa May tells public not to worry about plans to stockpile food and medicine in event of no deal"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-stockpile-food-medicine-theresa-may-government-a8463531.html


Also Companies are stockpiling also - eg. the Air Industry - to tide them over until they leave UK or at least set up alternative factories elsewhere.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/manufacturing/airbus-looks-at-stockpiling-parts-to-beat-brexit-bottleneck-1.3415265

blinding

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I get the point and agree the EU needs constant reform to guard the interests of smaller states.
But what exactly did the state with more significant opt outs and vetos than anyone else, have to do, that it didn't want to do?

You have no control of Mass Immigration from Eu Countries if you are in the Eu .

ozmo

badtoro wrote: »

expecting the tender mercies of the Trump administration to GIFT them a beneficial trade deal.

They have a funny way of trying to get on his good side - Trump Baby Balloons etc.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan must feel in a very confident commanding position to have felt he can insult the one person they need most to have on their side.

Taytoland

Sadiq Khan is arguably the worst mayor seen in over a hundred years in Britain, so I wouldn't worry too much about what he says, he lacks credibility.

Leroy42

ozmo wrote: »

They have a funny way of trying to get on his good side - Trump Baby Balloons etc.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan must feel in a very confident commanding position to have felt he can insult the one person they need most to have on their side.

Sadiq Khan didn't fly the balloon, he simply didn't stop it from getting a licence.

ArchXStanton

Leroy42 wrote: »

Great, so is your solution that we leave and operate outside of the EU?

Say goodbye FDI for a start. Goodbye EU funding for projects?

No but we should have put the foot down and put a halt to this "ever closer union" and told them to respect our vote on Lisbon and Nice, it worked fine as the EEC,all I see the EU doing is causing social,political and economic turmoil across Europe since 2008 when it really started to flex its muscles.We have France and Germany who seem to be the agenda setters ,an alcoholic commissioner who seems to stumble around like he's **** himself,the upper echelons seem to he occupied with complete psychos...and then you get to the bucktooth fanatic Verhofstadt, a rabid madman hellbent on federalisation.

badtoro

ozmo wrote: »

They have a funny way of trying to get on his good side - Trump Baby Balloons etc.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan must feel in a very confident commanding position to have felt he can insult the one person they need most to have on their side.

Somehow I don't think twas the brextremists paying for or flying the baby trump balloon.

Only a guess mind!

Leroy42

ArchXStanton wrote: »

No but we should have put the foot down and put a halt to this "ever closer union" and told them to respect our vote on Lisbon and Nice, it worked fine as the EEC,all I see the EU doing is causing social,political and economic turmoil across Europe since 2008 when it really started to flex its muscles.We have France and Germany who seem to be the agenda setters ,an alcoholic commissioner who seems to stumble around like he's **** himself,the upper echelons seem to he occupied with complete psychos...and then you get to the bucktooth fanatic Verhofstadt, a rabid madman hellbent on federalisation.

Ah yes, all very good points.

Of course we have far better level of politician in Ireland, that would save us from any problems.

The world is getting more connected everyday. To try to push back against that, when faced with a very strong US, a very strong and growing China and the likelihood of India increasing in importance in years to come.

The ever closer union has been a negative in what way to you?

Leroy42

badtoro wrote: »

Somehow I don't think twas the brextremists paying for or flying the baby trump balloon.

Only a guess mind!

Yes, but the poster said it was the mayor. It clearly wasn't.

It was some people choosing to express their views.

But the mayor of London should have stepped in and denied them that right for fear of upsetting Trump? Is that the UK taking back control?

blinding

I was delighted that 26 Counties of my Country got out of the British Empire .

Why would I be happy that it is in an Eu Superstate .

ArchXStanton

Leroy42 wrote: »

Ah yes, all very good points.

Of course we have far better level of politician in Ireland, that would save us from any problems.

The world is getting more connected everyday. To try to push back against that, when faced with a very strong US, a very strong and growing China and the likelihood of India increasing in importance in years to come.

The ever closer union has been a negative in what way to you?

Aw yes the old bogeyman of China,Russia,US etc. etc

I'd have serious reservations about this ever closer union,especially the way they have gone about it,not Democratic in the slightest.Take open borders as an example, people need to carefully consider and debate this as once you do it there is no going back,I'll be honest I think hitching your cart economically,finacially and politically to the EU is sheer madness because when the inevitable collapse comes there will be chaos.

ancapailldorcha

Taytoland wrote: »

Sadiq Khan is arguably the worst mayor seen in over a hundred years in Britain, so I wouldn't worry too much about what he says, he lacks credibility.

By what metric? That he isn't some regressive white nationalist?

FrancieBrady

blinding wrote: »

You have no control of Mass Immigration from Eu Countries if you are in the Eu .

This stupid myth again.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/31/britain-take-back-control-immigration-eu-directive-brexit

Zubeneschamali

Aegir wrote: »

no food or medicines? how did you work that one out?

The UK (in case you were not aware) relies on food imports and medicine imports to keep the shelves stocked. Official government studies have the port of Dover collapse on Day 1 of Brexit.

Disruption to supply chains way, way beyond a bit of snow. Disruption to flights way, way worse than volcanic ash.

Panic buying - empty shelves. Food riots, looting. Baton charges, mounted police riding down protestors.

It'll make for exciting viewing, should boost SKY news viewing figures across Europe.

Zubeneschamali

Spook_ie wrote: »

They'll likely go through a tough 5 to 10 years and emerge out of it with a more stable economy than the EU

Rees-Mogg reckons it'll be more like 50 years.

Worth it for the grandkids, though.

Zubeneschamali

blinding wrote: »

Every Country has the right to be an Independent country if it chooses as the 26 counties did in1922 as DeValera formalised much later .

Yes, the very best of luck to Scotland as our newest independent neighbours, you can rely on us to support you.