What the hell has happened to Kilkee?

jackboy

easypazz wrote: »

They simply can't, Kilkee has as good a food offering as anybody else.

As I said, all this is personal opinion. In my opinion kilkee has a poor offering. Most people I have talked to about this agree.

easypazz

jackboy wrote: »

As I said, all this is personal opinion. In my opinion kilkee has a poor offering. Most people I have talked to about this agree.

If you look on the top 20 restaurants in Clare on tripadvisor Kilkee and Lahinch have 3 each.

But you know what, you and the people you talked to are probably right, all the people on tripadvisor must have faulty taste buds

I bet if they knew a few of the cakes The Pantry came from Ennis they would be disgusted.

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jackboy

easypazz wrote: »

I bet if they knew a few of the cakes The Pantry came from Ennis they would be disgusted.

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Ah now, I wouldn’t go that far.

Claw Hammer

Keyla Scruffy Nap wrote: »

Did they insist on you eating the windows?

So you think it is good enough to sit having a meal looking at dirt?

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Claw Hammer wrote: »

So you think it is good enough to sit having a meal looking at dirt?

To be honest, I'd be looking at my companions or my food.

Palmach

easypazz wrote: »

If you look on the top 20 restaurants in Clare on tripadvisor Kilkee and Lahinch have 3 each.

But you know what, you and the people you talked to are probably right, all the people on tripadvisor must have faulty taste buds

I bet if they knew a few of the cakes The Pantry came from Ennis they would be disgusted.

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Pantry cakes are cooked on the premises. I know someone who worked there #porkiepies

Claw Hammer

Keyla Scruffy Nap wrote: »

To be honest, I'd be looking at my companions or my food.

You wouldn't look out though the window? At all? At all? You are being far from honest. A good restaurant is about ambiance as well as companions and food. Having dirty windows mars what is otherwise a reasonably good restaurant.

easypazz

So the pantry fails because it gets some cakes from ennis.

Murphy blacks fails because the window was dirty.

Is the dirty window an ongoing problem?

jackboy

Palmach wrote: »

Pantry cakes are cooked on the premises. I know someone who worked there #porkiepies

One cake is cooked on premises, carrot cake I think. All others are delivered from Ennis.

easypazz

jackboy wrote: »

One cake is cooked on premises, carrot cake I think. All others are delivered from Ennis.

Supposing what you are saying is correct, what difference does it actually make to the quality of the produce, which was the original thrust of your grievance?

jackboy

easypazz wrote: »

Supposing what you are saying is correct, what difference does it actually make to the quality of the produce, which was the original thrust of your grievance?

No difference really. It just makes it closer to being a shop than a restaurant. The pantry is fine.

The overall point I was making was that kilkee is not as good for food as most other west Clare towns. Most people I know would have the same opinion.

jackboy

jackboy wrote: »

One cake is cooked on premises, carrot cake I think. All others are delivered from Ennis.

All pantry cakes are cooked on the premises as far as I know.

Claw Hammer

easypazz wrote: »

So the pantry fails because it gets some cakes from ennis.

Murphy blacks fails because the window was dirty.

Is the dirty window an ongoing problem?

The windows were dirty all the time I was there!

Athdara

jackboy wrote: »

The diamond rocks is very nice. The pantry gets the majority of its cakes delivered from Ennis, it’s ok I guess. The long dock and Morrisseys are better quality than the restaurants that you mentioned. The other towns in west Clare all have restaurants better than the kilkee ones.

This is all opinion of course. If you prefer kilkee that’s fair enough.

I can tell you emphatically that not one solitary cake in The Pantry comes from anywhere but from the kitchen upstairs.
I have worked there and my job was baking & decorating all the cakes/ buns/pastries for sale.

Since I left someone else has taken over. The kitchen staff make all the tarts, breads are made in-house.
Maybe you have assumed it’s baked off premises as you can see any kitchen. It’s all upstairs, a very compact, well managed kitchen ran by a Balkymaloe trained chef as well as two Home Economics teachers ( Owner has retired from teaching & her assistant ).
I’m laughing here that anyone could think it was bought in. Every morning at 5.30/5.45 the lights go on in that kitchen and the first lot of scones are in the ovens within 10/15 minutes. It’s like a military operation.

jackboy

Athdara wrote: »

I can tell you emphatically that not one solitary cake in The Pantry comes from anywhere but from the kitchen upstairs.
I have worked there and my job was baking & decorating all the cakes/ buns/pastries for sale.

Since I left someone else has taken over. The kitchen staff make all the tarts, breads are made in-house.
Maybe you have assumed it’s baked off premises as you can see any kitchen. It’s all upstairs, a very compact, well managed kitchen ran by a Balkymaloe trained chef as well as two Home Economics teachers ( Owner has retired from teaching & her assistant ).
I’m laughing here that anyone could think it was bought in. Every morning at 5.30/5.45 the lights go on in that kitchen and the first lot of scones are in the ovens within 10/15 minutes. It’s like a military operation.

Your probably correct about he scones and bread. They have been selling cakes delivered from Ennis in recent times. No big deal really.

easypazz

jackboy wrote: »

Your probably correct about the scones and bread. They have been selling cakes delivered from Ennis in recent times. No big deal really.

It seems to be the sole basis for you running down the place. You are claiming it is only a shop now.

You need to cop onto yourself and stop whinging about this business, accept its a fine establishment and as good a café as anywhere else in west clare.

jackboy

easypazz wrote: »

You need to cop onto yourself and stop whinging about this business, accept its a fine establishment and as good a café as anywhere else in west clare.

Have no problem with the place. Yes, I will admit saying it is closer to being a shop than a restaurant was going too far. I will certainly retract that.

mitresize5

jackboy wrote: »

Your probably correct about he scones and bread. They have been selling cakes delivered from Ennis in recent times. No big deal really.

they are not probably correct about the scones and bread, they are 100% correct, and same goes for all the cakes.


Your continuing to spoof even though you have been called out on it multiple times lends you no credibility.

from only the carrot cake is made on site to yera maybe most of it is in about 5 posts


But hey 'no big deal really'

tototoe

easypazz wrote: »

They simply can't, Kilkee has as good a food offering as anybody else.

Wouldn't agree myself either. Think lahinch, liscannor, ennistymon are way ahead of kilkee for food. Way ahead... Kilkees food offerring, and my last time there was May this year, is all a bit old skool...a bit 1990's.

But whatever does it for you.

drunkmonkey

Besides the main beach in Killkee, what's within 5/10 minutes is there any little coves or beaches close by that people might not know about. Things to explore with the kids etc

jonnybravo

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Besides the main beach in Killkee, what's within 5/10 minutes is there any little coves or beaches close by that people might not know about. Things to explore with the kids etc

White strand beach is close enough as well. Think there is another big one near Doonbeg

https://goo.gl/maps/PZ173yAAfmR6pjLJ7

mitresize5

Doonaha is lovely as well and only a ten minute drive.

easypazz

tototoe wrote: »

Wouldn't agree myself either. Think lahinch, liscannor, ennistymon are way ahead of kilkee for food. Way ahead... Kilkees food offerring, and my last time there was May this year, is all a bit old skool...a bit 1990's.

But whatever does it for you.

Liscannor, are you for real?

Vaughans for restaurant level bar food.
Joe McHughs for regular bar food
Is there a chipper?
Is there a café?
The Moher Hotel does bar food I assume.

Not a lot of choice there.


Ennistymons first entry on tripadvisor is a lowly No. 62.

drunkmonkey

mitresize5 wrote: »

Doonaha is lovely as well and only a ten minute drive.

Looks like a nice little beach, safe for young ones?

tototoe

easypazz wrote: »

Liscannor, are you for real?

Vaughans for restaurant level bar food.
Joe McHughs for regular bar food
Is there a chipper?
Is there a café?
The Moher Hotel does bar food I assume.

Not a lot of choice there.


Ennistymons first entry on tripadvisor is a lowly No. 62.

Yes for real. I meant the area. Lahinch, liscannor and ennistymon are a stone's throw away from each other. Taken together, there is a far better food offerri g to what is in the kilkee area.

My opinion, not really looking for agreement.

Granadino

Cliff road drive from Kilkee to Carrigaholt is lovely. Way better than going to the Cliffs of Moher. You still see similar types of cliffs on a smaller scale but without the hordes of tourists and buses.

easypazz

tototoe wrote: »

Yes for real. I meant the area. Lahinch, liscannor and ennistymon are a stone's throw away from each other. Taken together, there is a far better food offerri g to what is in the kilkee area.

My opinion, not really looking for agreement.

A bit like the kilkee area including doonbeg, carrigaholt, kibaha and kilrush.


:rolleyes:

mitresize5

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Looks like a nice little beach, safe for young ones?

yeah very safe, faces the estuary and the kids are never more than 20 metres away from you

mrsoundie

mitresize5 wrote: »

yeah very safe, faces the estuary and the kids are never more than 20 metres away from you

What estuary?

Cookiemunster

mrsoundie wrote: »

What estuary?

The Shannon estuary. Doonaha, like Carrigaholt, is situated on the River Shannon side of Loop Head.

mrsoundie

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The Shannon estuary. Doonaha, like Carrigaholt, is situated on the River Shannon side of Loop Head.

I was scratching my head thinking of what estuary is Kilkee on.

Professor Genius

The Strand is a good spot for food. Menu hasn’t changed for ages but it is quality.

John_Rambo

John_Rambo wrote: »

I'm not against slating a town, village or area, so I'm not going to slate Kilkee.

I holidayed there for a week and won't be returning.

That's all.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/gardai-investigating-posters-threatening-holiday-home-owners-at-clare-resort-993175.html

I got a bad vibe around Kilkee when I was there, a certain unfriendliness and rudeness. I'm not really surprised at the latest carry on.

Shame Murphy Blacks closed down due to lack of local support, really nice people.

JCX BXC

John_Rambo wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/gardai-investigating-posters-threatening-holiday-home-owners-at-clare-resort-993175.html

I got a bad vibe around Kilkee when I was there, a certain unfriendliness and rudeness. I'm not really surprised at the latest carry on.

Shame Murphy Blacks closed down due to lack of local support, really nice people.

To be fair, the latest "carry on" isn't in the slightest reflective of the time you were there.

Kilkee people are grand, some of the business owners are top tier cu(n)ts though.

John_Rambo

JCX BXC wrote: »

To be fair, the latest "carry on" isn't in the slightest reflective of the time you were there.

Kilkee people are grand, some of the business owners are top tier cu(n)ts though.

There's leaders and there's rats JCX. Leaders lead and unite, rats turn on each other in times of crisis.

Palmach

John_Rambo wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/gardai-investigating-posters-threatening-holiday-home-owners-at-clare-resort-993175.html

I got a bad vibe around Kilkee when I was there, a certain unfriendliness and rudeness. I'm not really surprised at the latest carry on.

Shame Murphy Blacks closed down due to lack of local support, really nice people.

They closed down because the owhad had enough. They were well supported.

Claw Hammer

John_Rambo wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/gardai-investigating-posters-threatening-holiday-home-owners-at-clare-resort-993175.html

I got a bad vibe around Kilkee when I was there, a certain unfriendliness and rudeness. I'm not really surprised at the latest carry on.

Shame Murphy Blacks closed down due to lack of local support, really nice people.

I find the fact that the majority of the locals are no longer invested in tourism, that there is a certain rough element attracted to Kilkee and the fact that those businesses which are seasonal have a lot of tired and aggressive owners means there is a distinct lack of welcome in the town.There also appears to be a poor self image among a lot of the locals.

Palmach

John_Rambo wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/gardai-investigating-posters-threatening-holiday-home-owners-at-clare-resort-993175.html

I got a bad vibe around Kilkee when I was there, a certain unfriendliness and rudeness. I'm not really surprised at the latest carry on.

Shame Murphy Blacks closed down due to lack of local support, really nice people.

Care to give examples of this "rudeness "?

Claw Hammer

Palmach wrote: »

Care to give examples of this "rudeness "?

I have experienced it. I made a complaint in a restaurant. I was treated as if I was the cause of it, not a customer with a justified complaint.
On another occasion I complained in a pub. I got a very hostile reaction. There seems to be a complete reluctance to accept a complain and deal with it. When there only a few choices about where to go in a town and some have to be struck off the list, it is hard to keep going back at all.

Palmach

Claw Hammer wrote: »

I have experienced it. I made a complaint in a restaurant. I was treated as if I was the cause of it, not a customer with a justified complaint.
On another occasion I complained in a pub. I got a very hostile reaction. There seems to be a complete reluctance to accept a complain and deal with it. When there only a few choices about where to go in a town and some have to be struck off the list, it is hard to keep going back at all.

Hmmmm.......ok. I'll take it at face value but the numbers who return to Kilkee year after year are very high. There are many generations who go there.

Palmach

Claw Hammer wrote: »

I find the fact that the majority of the locals are no longer invested in tourism, that there is a certain rough element attracted to Kilkee and the fact that those businesses which are seasonal have a lot of tired and aggressive owners means there is a distinct lack of welcome in the town.There also appears to be a poor self image among a lot of the locals.

A rough element? Utter balderdash. It is one of the safest places who can be in Summer.

c.p.w.g.w

Palmach wrote: »

A rough element? Utter balderdash. It is one of the safest places who can be in Summer.

You obviously haven't been there much...there have been some serious incidents over the years...all drug related mind

John_Rambo

Palmach wrote: »

Care to give examples of this "rudeness "?

We got forgotten about in a takeaway. People that had been in after us were being served the same food we'd ordered. Fair enough, it was busy, I had a feeling we'd been lost in the list and I politely asked if we'd been missed and I got a pretty rude lecture on how food needs to be cooked with some pretty choice language. I then got my food thrown at me!!!

Some really bad language at the Paddy's day parade in front of the kids. Proper See You Next Tuesday stuff being roared by one group to another (the parade was excellent, proper rural town with tractors and the local fire volunteers and community)

Broken window in the rental so our heating was high, asked for a small reduction was given a laugh and a straight up "you can afford it"

Weird cases of not allowing me to parallel park by driving right up behind me so I couldn't reverse in even though I had my indicator and reverse lights on.

My wife was told Kilkee is a place for Limerick people on holiday and "certainly not Dubliners". (she's not from Dublin)

Nothing serious, but just an unfriendliness that we'd not be used to. Enough to ensure us not returning. The people in Murphy Blacks were nice though.

Maybe we just got Kilkee on a a bad week or on the tail end of a bad winter.

Claw Hammer

Palmach wrote: »

Hmmmm.......ok. I'll take it at face value but the numbers who return to Kilkee year after year are very high. There are many generations who go there.

Maybe. There are many who have stopped going. I have a sister who used to go every year and stopped going because of poor accommodation and bad service in some outlets

Claw Hammer

John_Rambo wrote: »

We got forgotten about in a takeaway. People that had been in after us were being served the same food we'd ordered. Fair enough, it was busy, I had a feeling we'd been lost in the list and I politely asked if we'd been missed and I got a pretty rude lecture on how food needs to be cooked with some pretty choice language. I then got my food thrown at me!!!

Some really bad language at the Paddy's day parade in front of the kids. Proper See You Next Tuesday stuff being roared by one group to another (the parade was excellent, proper rural town with tractors and the local fire volunteers and community)

Broken window in the rental so our heating was high, asked for a small reduction was given a laugh and a straight up "you can afford it"

Weird cases of not allowing me to parallel park by driving right up behind me so I couldn't reverse in even though I had my indicator and reverse lights on.

My wife was told Kilkee is a place for Limerick people on holiday and "certainly not Dubliners". (she's not from Dublin)

Nothing serious, but just an unfriendliness that we'd not be used to. Enough to ensure us not returning. The people in Murphy Blacks were nice though.

Maybe we just got Kilkee on a a bad week or on the tail end of a bad winter.

+1. I was in the Bayview at lunchtime one day and i ordered some food. The oul wan there fixed me with a cold stare while she brought the food. I had no complaint with the food but the hostility was awful. I noticed the same thing in one establishment in the Isle of Man once. It seems the owners work flat out during the summer and get really impatient and bad tempered after a few weeks.
Naughtons is another place I wouldn't go into again if I had any choice in the matter. They must be nazi trained in there!
As for accommodation, some of the operators there are tricksters and it is depressing to have to constantly watch what they try on. Ryanair have nothing on them for hidden terms and conditions. They brazen their way out of everything. I complained in Spanish Cove once about a filthy apartment and the attitude was I could take it or get my money back. They seemed to have no idea that people would expect a clean apartment when coming on holidays.

c.p.w.g.w

Palmach wrote: »

That had nothing nothing but nothing to do with drugs. You utterly dishonest individual.

Guards in Kilrush and most locals in kilkee & Kilrush would disagree with you... massive issues with Kilrush boys and the drugs trade unfortunately

JCX BXC

I'll agree that Kilkee has its issues, many of the business owners can be quite rude, however nothing rising to the level portrayed by some posters here. Some of the things that have been said are so excessive, one can only think there's some sort of Vendetta or underlying reason that we're not being told.

Using the murder of Karl Haugh to paint the town as scummy and drug filled is nothing short of abhorrent and appalling, as well as downright incorrect.

Not to get into the details, but that was the work of Kilrush scumbags. One simply needs to wander around Kilrush for a while and then you'd realise how absurd the contention that Kilkee is scummy. Most scummy elements I see in kilkee come from blow-ins, non locals.

Not a particular fan of Kilkee myself, however what's being suggested here is extremely over the top.

c.p.w.g.w

JCX BXC wrote: »

I'll agree that Kilkee has its issues, many of the business owners can be quite rude, however nothing rising to the level portrayed by some posters here. Some of the things that have been said are so excessive, one can only think there's some sort of Vendetta or underlying reason that we're being told.

Using the murder of Karl Haugh to paint the town as scummy and drug filled is nothing short of abhorrent and appalling, as well as downright incorrect.

Not to get into the details, but that was the work of Kilrush scumbags. One simply needs to wander around Kilrush for a while and then you'd realise how absurd the contention that Kilkee is scummy. Most scummy elements I see in kilkee come from blow-ins, non locals.

Not a particular fan of Kilkee myself, however what's being suggested here is extremely over the top.

I'm not painting the town as scummy. I am saying there have been issues(such as my linked story) and I know it's led to some folks deciding against kilkee for their summer holidays.

Claw Hammer

I can only go by my own experiences. If trouble is coming in from Kilrush, then it is trouble for Kilkee. if have had uneasy experiences in some places in Kilkee and I gathered there was some kind of drug taking going on. My main issue is the inability of some business owners to accept a complaint without losing their heads completely. Another isue is the surliness of some people who are dealing with the public. I used to go into one of the pubs. a few years ago there used to be a bit of chat with the barman. Now in the same pub there are two much younger bar-staff who spend their spare time nipping into the rear to check their i-phones. They are pleasant enough when serving the drinks but the old friendliness is gone.
what seems to have evolved in Kilkee is that many of the tourists are those who own their own accommodation. There are also many day trippers who pile in when the weather is good. There are also many short stay visitors doing a night or two. There are very few non owners staying a week or two or longer as used to be the case. Despite all the charms of Kilkee it is losing out because going there means a lottery in terms of the standard of accommodation, and a limited choice with regard to restaurants and pubs with rudeness and unfriendliness thrown in for good measure.

Clareman

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