How do you feel about "Do-Gooders"?

Kivaro

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

But the fact that she is recording it takes away from any alleged good. "Good" isn't just judged by the act but by how you conduct yourself. As the great philosopher Jesus Christ said, when you do a good act don't announce it in the street a blow trumpet so all can see you.

The irony about this story is that the Swedish student was on the wrong plane. She bought the plane ticket thinking that a much younger Afghan deportee was going to be on the plane; she even held up the fellow's picture while doing her vain Facebook stream.

So what does she do when she couldn't find the young man in the picture? She searches the plane for another similar looking person and found the older Afghan, and then proceeded to protest his deportation. How presumptuous (and somewhat racist) of her.

While she might have had information on the situation on why the younger Afghan was being deported and felt the need to protest, but to randomly pick out an Afghan on the plane without knowing the reasons for his deportation and to protest his deportation just goes to show that this was indeed a vanity project.

It's funny to read the usual Sinn Fein/Liberal open borders types on here exalting the student's activism, irrespective of the fact that she got it all wrong.

Creative83

Thoughtform wrote: »

As for "Then you are a do-gooder!" to someone who said they agree with political activism - no need for completion of any Mensa form there I'd say.

Fake news.

Go back and re-read what was said.

Yer Da sells Avon

Omackeral wrote: »

Seriously, why are you here everyday if you think it's just full of fascists and alt-right loons?

Did I say it was full of fascists and alt-right loons?

topper75

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

AH: Bogger Stormfront.

Are you simultaneously enraged at blanket judgement, at the prospect of non-acceptance of outside others, at potential racism or xenophobia....

..and yet sneering at the vast majority of your own nation, deriding the fact that they don't live where you live and think like you do, throwing in pejorative language??

Yeah perhaps it's not AH that needs to look at itself here.

Yer Da sells Avon

topper75 wrote: »

..and yet sneering at the vast majority of your own nation, deriding the fact that they don't live where you live and think like you do, throwing in pejorative language??

Just to be absolutely clear, I'm sneering at the whiny little Stormfront rejects who sneer at the idea of someone doing something good, because doing good, in their sad little world, is bad.

Kivaro

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Just to be absolutely clear, I'm sneering at the whiny little Stormfront rejects who sneer at the idea of someone doing something good, because doing good, in their sad little world, is bad.

There you go again with your own snide comments. Stormfront rejects?
Does that mean that they were not racist enough for Stormfront.
Your comments are infantile in nature. People are allowed to have opinions on what they deem "good". You want to stifle that debate by name calling. Very childish.

In this particular story, the Swedish student was protesting for the wrong man. She initially was on the plane to protest the deportation of a younger Afghan and it may have been for valid reasons e.g. she researched his story and thought the decision to deport was wrong. But when she couldn't find 'her' deportee, she found a much older Afghan to protest for ............... without knowing the situation of his deportation.
Hence, it was a vanity project.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

the whole likes and filming for social media nonsense is a fair point, but it's a separate thing to the act itself that this lady engaged in and whether she genuinely believed she was doing the right thing by trying to hi-light this person's case and engaging in political activism to do so.

you could say the same about hitler sure

she shouldve been escorted off the plane and she should be charged to the full extent

if it means that much to her, then let her enjoy the consequences

her self-righteousness shouldnt be the problem of however many hundred others. outrageous ego for her or anyone to think otherwise

Yer Da sells Avon

Kivaro wrote: »

There you go again with your own snide comments. Stormfront rejects?
Does that mean that they were not racist enough for Stormfront.
Your comments are infantile in nature. People are allowed to have opinions on what they deem "good". You want to stifle that debate by name calling. Very childish.

The thread title contains name-calling.

Wanderer78

Deleted User wrote:

her self-righteousness shouldnt be the problem of however many hundred others. outrageous ego for her or anyone to think otherwise

The plane got delayed a bit, what's the problem, what's the story with people not being able to wait anymore?

Wanderer78

Wanderer78 wrote: »

The plane got delayed a bit, what's the problem, what's the story with people not being able to wait anymore?

firstly, we're not all wanderers. not for anyone to say what the disruption and delay meant to anyone on that plane.

seccondly, individuals deliberately disrupting systems that are for the benefit of all arent heroes. they put their beliefs - and we all have beliefs- ahead of the rights of others to go about their business. its massive presumption and ego if nothing else

thirdly, acting the bugger on an airplane is a serious offence for very good reasons. there would have been knock on effects for other flights and other passengers and it created a flashpoint situation where none should have existed

stunts aint clever and they aint the tool of people who care about genuine change or achievement.

Omackeral

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Did I say it was full of fascists and alt-right loons?

You called it Stormfront basically so...

Thoughtform

Wanderer78 wrote: »

The plane got delayed a bit, what's the problem, what's the story with people not being able to wait anymore?

Do you know how long it was delayed for? "A bit" means a few minutes. It seems like it was a good deal longer than that. It's not really about people being unable to wait "anymore" (was there a time when people all waited patiently no matter what?) but not being able to afford delays for various reasons - really not reasonable if a person has to be somewhere at a particular time for something important.

Yer Da sells Avon

Wanderer78 wrote: »

The plane got delayed a bit, what's the problem, what's the story with people not being able to wait anymore?

Some nice proportionate responses to a delayed plane:

Snotty wrote: »

My mother taught me to never hit a girl, but for her, I'll make an exception

mynamejeff wrote: »

simple tazer in the neck and hauled off the plane . .

Hapax Legomenon

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Some nice proportionate responses to a delayed plane:

youve lost credibility to comment on proportionality in this thread buck

Omackeral

Deleted User wrote: »

youve lost credibility to comment on proportionality in this thread buck

His first comment on the thread was to liken AH to a neo Nazi website.

aside from this pointless student drama, which achieved nothing, generally "do-gooders" in my experience are nice, pleasant people who volunteer to help out as best they can on the *effects* of social ills etc

nothing wrong with that

but there are very good reasons that you tend not to find them doing much of the complex, contradictory, technical and often thankless work dealing with systematic changes that address the *causes* of social ills etc

good luck to em, the nosey ones that volunteer to do something nobody asked or wanted them to do can come across a bit martyr-by-proxy but im sure its a better world than not for most of their efforts

Gbear

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I believe that whilst overall crime levels in Sweden are down the numbers of rapes are up. Ah well once she got to fight for her own version of Social justice.

This is a point that's often made but if you don't look deeper into the context of the figures it can be hugely misleading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

In recent years, several revisions to the definition of rape have been made to the law of Sweden,[3] to include not only intercourse but also comparable sexual acts against someone incapable of giving consent, due to being in a vulnerable situation, such as a state of fear or unconsciousness.

The UNODC itself discourages any cross-national comparisons based on their reports, because of the differences that exist between legal definitions, methods of offense counting and crime reporting.[29] In 2013, of the 129 countries listed in the UNODC report, a total of 67 countries had no reported data on rape.[19][29] Some majority-Muslim countries missing data—for example Egypt—classifies rape as assault.[33][34] A crime survey funded by the UN and published in The Lancet Global Health concluded that almost a quarter of all men admit to rape in parts of Asia.[35][36] Some of the countries with the highest percentage of men admitting rape in that study, China and Bangladesh for instance, are also not listed or have relatively low numbers of reported rape in the UNODC report.[29]

8 out of 10 of the countries with the highest number of reported rape in the 2011 UNODC report were members of OECD, an organization of high-income economies with a very high Human Development Index. 6 out of 10 countries with the highest number of reported rapes were also in the top of the Global Gender Gap Index rankings.[33]

Ireland's instances of rape charges have apparently gone up 30% in the last year:
http://www.thejournal.ie/rape-stats-rise-ireland-3929262-Mar2018/

Somewhat counter-intuitively, reports of rape increase as countries become more succesful. It's possible that the numbers of actual rapes are sky-rocketing, but that would be at odds with the general trend towards a dipping crime rate across the world.

It seems that women are more confident in coming forward about these crimes nowadays, and that is crucial in leading to an increase in convictions, but it gives a somewhat skewed perception of rape in society and how well we're dealing with it.

If you think back 50 years, there was no marital rape in this country, and in many countries around the world, women are still possessions.

While reducing and eliminating rape might be the goal, we're still at the stage where we're having to get everything properly classified and finding out the true extent of it, so we probably want to see the numbers of convictions go up for a bit before it starts to go down. It lets us know we're tackling the problem.

Swedens statistics could be understood as some sort of rape epidemic by ravening barbarian hordes, but the broadening of what is considered rape has lead to an explosion of rape crimes, and it seems likely that more victims are coming forward as well.

Immigrant populations could well be perpetrating more rape, and it would be in keeping with the cultures they're coming from and their level of development, but the rape statistics in Sweden do not lend that claim any creedence by themselves.

DickSwiveller Returns

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Just to be absolutely clear, I'm sneering at the whiny little Stormfront rejects who sneer at the idea of someone doing something good, because doing good, in their sad little world, is bad.

But she's not doing good

Yer Da sells Avon

Omackeral wrote: »

His first comment on the thread was to liken AH to a neo Nazi website.

I stand by that comment like a proud soldier.

Tea drinker

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Just to be absolutely clear, I'm sneering at the whiny little Stormfront rejects who sneer at the idea of someone doing something good, because doing good, in their sad little world, is bad.

Who told you she was doing something good?

Omackeral

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

I stand by that comment like a proud soldier.

Right, so then you're a hypocrite or a liar or a weasel.

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Did I say it was full of fascists and alt-right loons?

Peatys

Pretzeluck wrote: »

I assume you have evidence for your claim? I can claim that the sun doest exist.

How do you think prey die in the wild? Is it torture to eat an animal while it's still alive?

Humans are vastly outnumbered by wild animals. The amount we kill is miniscule in comparison.

Graces7

deco nate wrote: »

Yea, her bs online fans that mean nothing in the real world, but to people like this. Online bs means more than going out in the real world and proving yourself. Sick of this ****e.

What ever happened to people helping others, without posting online and looking for likes and shares? Now it seems that any "good" you do it's needed to post online for confirmation of how good a person you are.
Complete and utter bull****

Some words re doing good.. Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing .. do good in secret not for reward and praise... Do good and disappear..

To the poster boasting re beheadings.. A man we know who has spent his life in dangerous places working for others witnessed beheading at close range. He
will never be well again.

Yer Da sells Avon

Omackeral wrote: »

Right, so then you're a hypocrite or a liar or a weasel.

Thanks.

Graces7

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

But she's not doing good

She got the man taken off the plane..

Omackeral

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Thanks.

Your opening comment on this thread was to liken AH to a neo Nazi website to which you replied;

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

I stand by that comment like a proud soldier.

but just previous to that you took umbrage with being called out for labeling the place full of Nazis and fascists here;

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Did I say it was full of fascists and alt-right loons?

So which is it? Is AH a Neo Nazi section or is it just a bit Nazi-esque. It can't simultaneously be both.

Tea drinker

Graces7 wrote: »

She got the man taken off the plane..

This not evidence of good, simply repeating this is insufficient. I'm not taking this "on faith"
The Swedish professionals, among the most lenient and competent in the world judged against him.

Bob Harris wrote: »

Why didn't they just take her off for being disruptive?
Is being an activist a career choice now?

Is she on a no fly list now? Hope she likes holidaying in Malmo dodging machine gun fire and hand grenades

Omackeral

Graces7 wrote: »

She got the man taken off the plane..

A different man, going by the comments in here. Probably doesn't matter an iota to her though, if that's the case.

Keepaneye

The hypocrisy of some people.

"what a bunch of incels/alt right/ neckbeard lol".

"OMG stop using the word feminazi it's so offensive etc etc etc".

gctest50

Graces7 wrote: »

She got the man taken off the plane..

She refused to follow the pilots orders "until the man was off the plane"

That's terrorism

Someone should have knocked her out.

Captain Obvious

So she just happened to be on the plane and saw this guy? Seems a little pointless. He's going to be deported anyway.

Tea drinker

Omackeral wrote: »

A different man, going by the comments in here. Probably doesn't matter an iota to her though, if that's the case.

she fulfilled the requirements of her faith, and her followers rejoiced in her misdirected good deed. The Lord activist works in mysterious ways.

Wanderer78

Thoughtform wrote: »

Do you know how long it was delayed for? "A bit" means a few minutes. It seems like it was a good deal longer than that. It's not really about people being unable to wait "anymore" (was there a time when people all waited patiently no matter what?) but not being able to afford delays for various reasons - really not reasonable if a person has to be somewhere at a particular time for something important.

so a flight got delayed for a few hours, this happens, and happens regularly enough, again, whats the problem?

Yer Da sells Avon

Omackeral wrote: »

So which is it? Is AH a Neo Nazi section or is it just a bit Nazi-esque. It can't simultaneously be both.

It can be a bit Nazi-esque right now, Omackeral. And also way more serious than it used to be. Full of serious men, being serious and taking themselves very seriously.

PlaneSpeeking

Graces7 wrote: »

She got the man taken off the plane..

He is not Rachel at the end of Friends!!!

There was a REASON a scarily liberal country like Sweden was deporting him - did you find out what that was ???

If he stays and when he commits an offence, she should be jailed also.

Omackeral

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

It can be a bit Nazi-esque right now, Omackeral. And also way more serious than it used to be. Full of serious men, being serious and taking themselves very seriously.

So can we reach a compromise and call it Stromfront Lite?

Thoughtform

Wanderer78 wrote: »

so a flight got delayed for a few hours, this happens, and happens regularly enough, again, whats the problem?

You are being argumentative for the sake of it. You know full well it's a problem if people are delayed significantly from being somewhere they need to be at a particular time. And it wasn't due to unavoidable **** happening, it was due to one person filming herself in relation to a man, the cause of whose deportation (which could have been a serious offence, and likely was - this is Sweden) she hadn't even intended to campaign on behalf of in the first place.

If you admire her, fair enough - it's your opinion, but being obtuse with regard to the disruption she caused is not necessary.

TomSweeney

This idiot is putting peoples lives at risk, the nutcase should have been taken off the plane herself.

Thomas_IV

Creative83 wrote: »

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

And what exactly does she know about the deportee's case?

Absolutely nothing!

Quite so and as I have read in an related article to that stunt, the Swedish authorities are going to deport the man anyway, a couple of days later. This was in my view just some 'prank' on plane which caused delay but didn't help the man's case as the case is closed anyway already.

In my view, that young woman is just another agitator.

Yer Da sells Avon

Omackeral wrote: »

So can we reach a compromise and call it Stromfront Lite?

Definitely not, that's Politics.ie.

Stormfront for beginners, maybe. Stormfront for people who don't quite have enough time to devote to the auld racism, but want to give it a go anyway. Stormfront for people who aren't racists, and are merely helping them out while they're busy.

DickSwiveller Returns

Graces7 wrote: »

She got the man taken off the plane..

And? What if he is a violent rapist? Is she still doing good?

Wanderer78

Thoughtform wrote: »

You are being argumentative for the sake of it. You know full well it's a problem if people are delayed significantly from being somewhere they need to be at a particular time. And it wasn't due to unavoidable **** happening, it was due to one person filming herself in relation to a man, the cause of whose deportation (which could have been a serious offence, and likely was - this is Sweden) she hadn't even intended to campaign on behalf of in the first place.

If you admire her, fair enough - it's your opinion, but being obtuse with regard to the disruption she caused is not necessary.

delays happen all the time, its common in the airline industry, we dont seem to be possibly overly angry about these type of delays, we just huff and puff, and simply wait, but its somehow different when an individual can be easily identified as the cause of the delay

DickSwiveller Returns

Wanderer78 wrote: »

delays happen all the time, its common in the airline industry, we dont seem to be possibly overly angry about these type of delays, we just huff and puff, and simply wait, but its somehow different when an individual can be easily identified as the cause of the delay

Are you on a wind up? It was delayed because a little narcissist wanted some attention for herself. I'd be pissed if I was on the flight

gctest50

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Definitely not, that's Politics.ie.

Stormfront for beginners, maybe. Stormfront for people who don't quite have enough time to devote to the auld racism, but want to give it a go anyway. Stormfront for people who aren't racists, and are merely helping them out while they're busy.

Does your mammy know you are on the internet at this hour of the morning ?

You should be outside in the fresh air with your friends

Wanderer78

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Are you on a wind up? It was delayed because a little narcissist wanted some attention for herself. I'd be pissed if I was on the flight

no its not a wind up, do you possibly overreact on other delays on transport systems, when the causes are not clearly identified? yes, id be upset to if i was on the flight, but its only a simple delay. id imagine no lives where directly lost because of this action, its just a delay

Yer Da sells Avon

gctest50 wrote: »

Does your mammy know you are on the internet at this hour of the morning ?

No, she's been dead for several years.

emo72

You really, really, really must have royally been a bad egg if you managed to get yourself deported from Sweden.

Omackeral

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Definitely not, that's Politics.ie.

Stormfront for beginners, maybe. Stormfront for people who don't quite have enough time to devote to the auld racism, but want to give it a go anyway. Stormfront for people who aren't racists, and are merely helping them out while they're busy.

I'll be honest. I've never looked at Stormfront. Have you? I've only ever seen it mentioned on here as a stick to beat people with when their views don't align with whoever it is they're discrediting or disagreeing with them.

DickSwiveller Returns

Wanderer78 wrote: »

no its not a wind up, do you possibly overreact on other delays on transport systems, when the causes are not clearly identified? yes, id be upset to if i was on the flight, but its only a simple delay. id imagine no lives where directly lost because of this action, its just a delay

But the cause is clearly identifiable. An attention wants to be in the limelight. I wouldn't mind waiting if someone was sick or something.

Thoughtform

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Are you on a wind up?

Yup.

"People don't usually have a problem with it" (yes they do - it can really mess up plans). "It's ok because it happens a lot" - super logic.

Say, Wanderer, there was a socialism convention in Berlin that you wanted to attend badly for months, and then you missed it because of a flight that was "a bit delayed" by a few hours, you wouldn't be happy about that of course. You'd be very annoyed. Now think about people flying home to say goodbye to a dying relative, or wanting to be there for the birth of a child, or having an interview for a dream job.