How do you feel about "Do-Gooders"?

Wanderer78

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

But the cause is clearly identifiable. An attention wants to be in the limelight. I wouldn't mind waiting if someone was sick or something.

should we now ban the right to protest? why dont we protest just as much for other, harder to identify delays?

dav3

It's quite amusing to see the same heads getting wound up over this. Is there a competition running at the moment between you boys to see who can get most outraged over 'do-gooders'? You're going to put yourselves in an early grave getting so worked up over such trivial things.

Wanderer78

Thoughtform wrote: »

Yup.

"People don't usually have a problem with it" (yes they do - it can really mess up plans). "It's ok because it happens a lot" - super logic.

Say, Wanderer, there was a socialism convention in Berlin that you wanted to attend badly for months, and then you missed it because of a flight that was "a bit delayed" by a few hours, you wouldn't be happy about that of course. You'd be very annoyed. Now think about people flying home to say goodbye to a dying relative, or wanting to be there for the birth of a child, or having an interview for a dream job.

dont have much interest in socialism, so im not sure of this reference!

TomSweeney

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

And? What if he is a violent rapist? Is she still doing good?

Yes, in her totally unhinged view she is.
It's not his fault he's a rapist, it's the racist white man that has made him do this.
It reminds me of the Norwegian man that was raped by a migrant, after he served his time in jail, he was going to be deported - the victim felt bad for the criminal rapist being deported!
He didn't want him to be deported!

There is a serious serious DEEP DEEP mental sickness with these people - the irony is they don't see it that they are the f*cking racists with their bigotry of low expectations.

Thoughtform

Wanderer78 wrote: »

should we now ban the right to protest?

No, just those ones which impact people who have nothing to do with it.

dav3

dav3 wrote: »

It's quite amusing to see the same heads getting wound up over this. Is there a competition running at the moment between you boys to see who can get most outraged over 'do-gooders'? You're going to put yourselves in an early grave getting so worked up over such trivial things.

you sound wound up about it

see? easy isnt it?

Wanderer78

Thoughtform wrote: »

No, just those ones which impact people who have nothing to do with it.

so what rules and regulations should be put into place to allow this type of protesting?

Omackeral

dav3 wrote: »

It's quite amusing to see the same heads getting wound up over this. Is there a competition running at the moment between you boys to see who can get most outraged over 'do-gooders'? You're going to put yourselves in an early grave getting so worked up over such trivial things.

Anything to actually offer on the topic dav3? Ever? Any thread? All you seem to is come in and take pot shots at people and, for some reason, you seem to get away with it. I don't think I've ever seen you actually debate or discuss anything.


Btw, I know this post is somewhat ironic as I'm not discussing the topic here so no need to point that out

Yer Da sells Avon

Omackeral wrote: »

I'll be honest. I've never looked at Stormfront. Have you? I've only ever seen it mentioned on here as a stick to beat people with when their views don't align with whoever it is they're discrediting or disagreeing with them.

Just taking a quick look at it now... there's a thread called "Female Swedish student's plane protest prevents Afghan illegal immigrant being deported". Not a million miles away from this one, tbh. Although, to be fair, none of them have advocated beating her.

Omackeral

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Just taking a quick look at it now... there's a thread called "Female Swedish student's plane protest prevents Afghan illegal immigrant being deported". Not a million miles away from this one, tbh. Although, to be fair, none of them have advocated beating her.

I was under the impression it's a news site. Is it threads and forums like here? Also, nothing really bad in that thread title in fairness.

PlaneSpeeking

Wanderer78 wrote: »

no its not a wind up, do you possibly overreact on other delays on transport systems, when the causes are not clearly identified? yes, id be upset to if i was on the flight, but its only a simple delay. id imagine no lives where directly lost because of this action, its just a delay

Last night the train home was delayed over an hour because of a signal fault, it was f***ing annoying!

But that is an expected issue, signals are needed for safety - when they go out you don't move.

However, a spoilt entitled brat with no more sense that God gave a goose is NOT an acceptable reason for a delay!

jacksie66

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Yer Da sells Avon

Omackeral wrote: »

I was under the impression it's a news site. Is it threads and forums like here? Also, nothing really bad in that thread title in fairness.

It's a forum - they even have a dating advice section.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M

Wanderer78

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Last night the train home was delayed over an hour because of a signal fault, it was f***ing annoying!

But that is an expected issue, signals are needed for safety - when they go out you don't move.

However, a spoilt entitled brat with no more sense that God gave a goose is NOT an acceptable reason for a delay!

so again, what should be the criteria for public protest? obviously 'spoilt entitled brats' are out, what else?

dav3

Omackeral wrote: »

Anything to actually offer on the topic dav3? Ever? Any thread? All you seem to is come in and take pot shots at people and, for some reason, you seem to get away with it. I don't think I've ever seen you actually debate or discuss anything.


Btw, I know this post is somewhat ironic as I'm not discussing the topic here so no need to point that out

"Somewhat ironic" indeed.

Who exactly am I taking pot shots at? The constantly outraged? I'm sure they'll get over it.

You seem rather agitated that not everyone is joining in the circle jerk. This is after hours, the majority of people don't take these posts seriously. Perhaps you should try to relax and go with the flow here.

Now, is there anybody out there that has any examples of 'do-gooders' and what they've done in Ireland that we can all get outraged over?

DickSwiveller Returns

Wanderer78 wrote: »

should we now ban the right to protest? why dont we protest just as much for other, harder to identify delays?

No, we shouldn't ban it but there are limits to protest

Omackeral

dav3 wrote: »

"Somewhat ironic" indeed.

Who exactly am I taking pot shots at? The constantly outraged? I'm sure they'll get over it.

You seem rather agitated that not everyone is joining in the circle jerk. This is after hours, the majority of people don't take these posts seriously. Perhaps you should try to relax and go with the flow here.

Now, is there anybody out there that has any examples of 'do-gooders' and what they've done in Ireland that we can all get outraged over?

You sure like to use the word outrage don't you? I'm not agitated in the least actually, just find your style of posting pathetic for the most part so thought I'd say it .

alpha21

Usually low IQ, life is hard on them due to being idiots, they deserve zero sympathy, you can help them by mocking them at every opportunity, shame might bring them around to thinking right

Thomas_IV

emo72 wrote: »

You really, really, really must have royally been a bad egg if you managed to get yourself deported from Sweden.

Sweden has tightened up its asylum and refugee policy, due to a rise of criminality and of course support of far-right to right-wing parties.


When discussing the migration problem and the effects this mass influx of 2015 and 2016 has on all those EU member states who took many of them in, and if you are daring to point out the problems and the difficulties for both, the old and the new ones, the racist card is quick on the table. Some are racists indeed, they also admit it, many are branded that but in fact are not. The pros and cons have created and established such an extreme polarised debate environment that a thoughtful and rational discussion about the real pros and cons of that is literally impossible. But this isn't anything new, this debate is already going on for years if not even decades. Now that the situation has worsened and that there are still NGOs out there who help to bring more people to the EU member states, the debate is getting even more tense.


For me it appears that all rationality and also the sense for self-sustainability have been abandoned. That is imv also some reason that comes into this stunt of that Swedish Student. Those who work and live close with migrants / refugees have - given they are not totally absorbed by their do-gooders humanity ideology - some different views on the matter, based on their own experiences. Some of them who helped in the past quitted also because of their experiences and disappointments caused by the behaviour of the refugees themselves. But those who view all that from their distance and blindly follow the other do-gooder agitators, are receptive for sharing the ideological view and make such stunts like this Student. Others, who also treat the matter from a distance, combined with a fierce anti-migration ideology, spread hatred and in some cases, given some militancy in their mindset and abilities, go further to attack the migrants physically. In the middle of these two extreme poles are those who aren't per se anti-migration but see and experience the disadvantages for themselves, witness the exploitation of the welfare state by those who never contributed to the system because they haven't been here before to do so. Following reports in the media about the chances of employment for refugees and other unqualified migrants (as their standards of qualification don't match the demands of the standards of their host countries) that state that the percentage of them getting a job is on low scale, is alarming and worrying for those who are struggling to make ends meet.  


What I have observed is that the many do-gooders are well off themselves. The others are either also well off or can cope with this change of their country which is already in process. In addition to that, the establishment political parties appear to either ignore the developing situation and the shifting of voters to the edges of the extremist parties. That puts more and more people off from their old traditional vote pattern and more so when they see that the establishment parties do nothing against it, but on the contrary still cling to their welcome culture which becomes more and more unaffordable the more new migrants come in and can't contribute to the system because of the aforesaid reasons. This way is putting many things at risk and keeps the water on the mills of the far-right and right-wing anti-migrants parties going. Frightening in all this is that the old establishment parties appear to don't care at all, as Long as the extremists are not on the rise. Once these extremist parties gain more support in elections and thus more mandates in parliaments, the old ones are going to react, by the pressure they feel coming from a change of mood among the voters.


Sweden is just one example. Such developments can be observed in many other EU member states too. It isn't a question of 'racism' and 'anti-racism'. It is in fact a matter of space, jobs, housing and social security which keeps the mood changing towards a more anti-migration stance.

Yer Da sells Avon

alpha21 wrote: »

you can help them by mocking them at every opportunity

But right-wingers are shit at mockery - possibly because they take themselves so seriously, I don't know.

Hapax Legomenon

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

But right-wingers are shit at mockery - possibly because they take themselves so seriously, I don't know.

leaving aside the broad painbrush involved in yr view of who-all is rightwing, its true that their meme game and zings are weak relative to left.

but imma have to pull you on the assertion that anybody, of any stripe, takes themselves more srs supersrs rly rly srs now than the cause-appropriating left, the perfect example headlining this thread

Thomas_IV

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

alpha21 wrote: »

you can help them by mocking them at every opportunity

But right-wingers are shit at mockery - possibly because they take themselves so seriously, I don't know.

Their opponents doesn't seem to be that different to themselves at all. Everything is excusable by humanity to them, everything. Makes on wonder what they understand by humanity at all?

Grayson

alpha21 wrote: »

Usually low IQ, life is hard on them due to being idiots, they deserve zero sympathy, you can help them by mocking them at every opportunity, shame might bring them around to thinking right

So sayeth a rereg.

StinkyMunkey

Should of added a poll, tazer yes or no!

+1 to tazer her.

All this attention seeking whore did was disrupt random strangers trying take a flight. If she was really interested in helping refugees, there are plenty of ways without spoiling someone's travel plans. I'd have volunteered to drag her off the plane.

Yer Da sells Avon

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Should of added a poll

Have course they should of.

PlaneSpeeking

Does Boards offering the ignore option for idiots mean they are do-gooders ???

I'm willing to soften my stance if so!!!

Grayson

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Should of added a poll, tazer yes or no!

+1 to tazer her.

All this attention seeking whore did was disrupt random strangers trying take a flight. If she was really interested in helping refugees, there are plenty of ways without spoiling someone's travel plans. I'd have volunteered to drag her off the plane.

You do realise she's doing a degree in social work and has been working with refugees? She was protesting because the government deport people to Afghanistan because they consider it a safe place and she was saying it's not a safe place.

btw, great use of the word whore. Shows the kind of person you are.

StinkyMunkey

Grayson wrote: »

You do realise she's doing a degree in social work and has been working with refugees? She was protesting because the government deport people to Afghanistan because they consider it a safe place and she was saying it's not a safe place.

btw, great use of the word whore. Shows the kind of person you are.

What exactly did her disruption to the people on that flight bring about? A change in policy, the refugee not being deported, public outrage........?

Here a discription of an "attention seeking whore"

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/attention_whore

Good for you, to pick one word out of context And imply I was calling the girl a whore, when it's Blatantly obvious I wasn't. Shows what type of person you are.

Creative83

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Should of added a poll, tazer yes or no!

+1 to tazer her.

All this attention seeking whore did was disrupt random strangers trying take a flight. If she was really interested in helping refugees, there are plenty of ways without spoiling someone's travel plans. I'd have volunteered to drag her off the plane.

Don't think I can add a poll... maybe a mod might

StinkyMunkey

Creative83 wrote: »

Don't think I can add a poll... maybe a mod might

Here's hoping

professore

Pretzeluck wrote: »

I assume you have evidence for your claim? I can claim that the sun doest exist.

If you don't believe animals can't be cruel for fun, watch a cat for 1 day.

Will I Am Not

Grayson wrote: »

You do realise she's doing a degree in social work and has been working with refugees? She was protesting because the government deport people to Afghanistan because they consider it a safe place and she was saying it's not a safe place.

btw, great use of the word whore. Shows the kind of person you are.

FFS. The absolute state of that comment. And the other lad resorting to pulling people up on their grammar. Pathetic stuff.

PlaneSpeeking

professore wrote: »

If you don't believe animals can't be cruel for fun, watch a cat for 1 day 23 seconds.

That's all it takes my mate's psycho pussy to attack my feet when I'm kipping on the couch!!!!

DickSwiveller Returns

Grayson wrote: »

You do realise she's doing a degree in social work and has been working with refugees? She was protesting because the government deport people to Afghanistan because they consider it a safe place and she was saying it's not a safe place.

btw, great use of the word whore. Shows the kind of person you are.

Ah, well then she knows more than the judges

end of the road

mynamejeff wrote: »

Aw tis your self what a surprise

She was in fact committing a public order offence and disrupting a flight , and refusing to comply with a requests of staff of the airline,

Ideal candidate for tazer and would have allowed the flight to leave without disruption and made the end of the video fantastic

she was not an ideal candidate for being tazered. she wasn't a threat to herself or to others.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

This is Sweden We're talking about here, one of the most liberal countries in the world so I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest there was damn good reason to deport this fella.

or perhapse, they still go by the ideal that an asylum case not being valid is a perfectly good reason for deportation.

Deleted User wrote: »

you could say the same about hitler sure

she shouldve been escorted off the plane and she should be charged to the full extent

if it means that much to her, then let her enjoy the consequences

her self-righteousness shouldnt be the problem of however many hundred others. outrageous ego for her or anyone to think otherwise

nothing to charge her for. it would be a waste of tax payers money to do so when there are actual criminals for which the resources need to be used to deal with. i believe she was removed from the plane, that's enough.

Deleted User wrote: »

firstly, we're not all wanderers. not for anyone to say what the disruption and delay meant to anyone on that plane.

seccondly, individuals deliberately disrupting systems that are for the benefit of all arent heroes. they put their beliefs - and we all have beliefs- ahead of the rights of others to go about their business. its massive presumption and ego if nothing else

thirdly, acting the bugger on an airplane is a serious offence for very good reasons. there would have been knock on effects for other flights and other passengers and it created a flashpoint situation where none should have existed

stunts aint clever and they aint the tool of people who care about genuine change or achievement.

stunts have been used throughout history in the aim of political activism. they are clever and often are the tools of people who genuinely care. in this case, the incident was taken seriously and the appropriate action was taken based on the situation at play.

Grayson

Will I Am Not wrote: »

FFS. The absolute state of that comment. And the other lad resorting to pulling people up on their grammar. Pathetic stuff.

Not really. I'm not commenting on their grammar. I'm commenting on the content of their post. They're calling a woman they never met a whore. That's relevant. They didn't call her stupid, they didn't call her crazy, they called her a whore.

Omackeral

Will I Am Not wrote: »

FFS. The absolute state of that comment.

It's just a dishonest style of debating. Trying to put focus on the word whore in an attempt to discredit the poster as a person. Why bother with people like that at all? I've no problem going tit-for-tat with someone who'll honestly have a go at your points and critique them, none at all.



wait, I probably shouldn't have said tit, sorry Grayson.

PlaneSpeeking

end of the road wrote: »

or perhapse, they still go by the ideal that an asylum case not being valid is a perfectly good reason for deportation.

Sweet holy mother of Christ.

Am off to bang my head against a brick wall.

Omackeral

Grayson wrote: »

I'm commenting on the content of their post. They're calling a woman they never met a whore. That's relevant. They didn't call her stupid, they didn't call her crazy, they called her a whore.

Calling someone an attention whore is not the same as calling someone a whore. You're so bloody dishonest.

PlaneSpeeking

Grayson wrote: »

Not really. I'm not commenting on their grammar. I'm commenting on the content of their post. They're calling a woman they never met a whore. That's relevant. They didn't call her stupid, they didn't call her crazy, they called her a whore.

Technically, an attention seeking whore.

Like fame-whore, or like-whore (social media etc).

Doesn't always mean you are accusing them of taking part in the world's oldest profession.

StinkyMunkey

Grayson wrote: »

Not really. I'm not commenting on their grammar. I'm commenting on the content of their post. They're calling a woman they never met a whore. That's relevant. They didn't call her stupid, they didn't call her crazy, they called her a whore.

You should probably hop on the next Ryanair flight and protest against using the term "attention whore", because it effectively means your calling someone a whore.

Grayson

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

What exactly did her disruption to the people on that flight bring about? A change in policy, the refugee not being deported, public outrage........?

Here a discription of an "attention seeking whore"

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/attention_whore

Good for you, to pick one word out of context And imply I was calling the girl a whore, when it's Blatantly obvious I wasn't. Shows what type of person you are.

And I stick by it.
You also said she should be tazered.

Plus you ignored the rest of my post which was responding to you. The part that showed she does work with refugees.

Grayson

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

You should probably hop on the next Ryanair flight and protest against using the term "attention whore", because it effectively means your calling someone a whore.

One, I have no idea why I'd have to be on a plane to protest that?

Two. Not a hope. They'll probably go on strike.

Omackeral

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Technically, an attention seeking whore.

Like fame-whore, or like-whore (social media etc).

Doesn't always mean you are accusing them of taking part in the world's oldest profession.

Here's a Google of the term for you Grayson. You seem to need it... unless you're being deliberately deflective or obtuse.

PlaneSpeeking

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

You should probably hop on the next Ryanair flight and protest against using the term "attention whore", because it effectively means your calling someone a whore.

Erm, not the one to Manchester next Saturday please!!!!

Omackeral

Grayson wrote: »

They're calling a woman they never met a whore. That's relevant.

Omackeral wrote: »

Calling someone an attention whore is not the same as calling someone a whore.

You going to comment on this Grayson? Are you big enough to admit you were wrong?

Sycamore Tree

Grayson

Omackeral wrote: »

Calling someone an attention whore is not the same as calling someone a whore. You're so bloody dishonest.

He didn't say attention whore. He said attention seeking whore. The latter implies someone who is a whore and is attention seeking.

Try to be accurate, and not so bloody dishonest. (see what I did there. I found a little thing and they said that you're a dishonest person. )

dav3

Grayson wrote: »

Not really. I'm not commenting on their grammar. I'm commenting on the content of their post. They're calling a woman they never met a whore. That's relevant. They didn't call her stupid, they didn't call her crazy, they called her a whore.

That's how I read it also.

I've heard 'attention whore' being used. Mostly by 12 year olds on the internet. I've heard 'attention seeker' being used. That's certainly a more popular phrase used online and in everyday life.

'Attention seeking whore' I can honestly say I've never come across, certainly not in Ireland anyway. I think most people would read it as 'attention seeking' and a 'whore'.

It looks like you've just made the constantly angry even more angry though, I don't think they understand what you're trying to tell them.

StinkyMunkey

Grayson wrote: »

And I stick by it.
You also said she should be tazered.

Plus you ignored the rest of my post which was responding to you. The part that showed she does work with refugees.

Apologies for not acknowledging hoor fantastic work with refugees, that doesn't change the fact what she did was being an attention seeking whore. As I've already stated, there are better ways to help refugees.

Tell you what, I'll let you tazer me, if I can tazer you, dibs on going first.