Deirdre Jacob missing twenty years Today.

dense

Day Lewin wrote: »

It's not a defense. You can wind up in the Central Mental Hospital at Dundrum if you are found "guilty but insane"

Conditions may be slightly nicer than at Arbour Hill; but Murphy never appeared insane - just calculating and wicked.

Of course, but nothing seems to have happened to the hoax caller that anyone can recall in terms of being dealt with by the justice system.


He was found guilty of nothing as far as I'm aware.



And I'm kind of wondering how their mental state excuse seems to have been accepted without question and with no consideration for the effect it must have had on DJ's family, cruelly leading them up the garden path.

dense

Muahahaha wrote: »

I know KRW Law to be a last resort for clients from a family relation in the legal game- other legal firms refer cases to them that they cant take on due to lack of expertise & specialisation.

Im not sure what you mean about oDochertys conspiracy handiwork- the Irish Mirror link above directly quotes JoJos parents (Mary & Martin) as saying that a Garda told them that a Fine Gael farmer was the main suspect and that her body is buried on his farm.



Im not sure why the parents of Jojo would fabricate a story about a senior Garda telling them about how the main suspect had buried her body on his farm and was being protected because of Fine Gael connections. If they are making that up then all they would be doing is obstructing the investigation into their own daughters death which is pretty unlikely that parents would do such a thing. Perhaps Gemma oDocherty is on to something here, the parents of JoJo certainly seem positive foul play is involved and that Larry Murphy has been used as a convenient smokescreen.

Yeah, I actually have time for G O'D but find the KRW angle in these two cases little more than photo opportunitiies.



Like apart from the photo of Mary Boyles twin sister and JoJos relative beside a solicitor what is the point of it?


Unless someone is going to talk 20 or 40 years later they can't actually fabricate remains or evidence to progress these cases against a system which appears to be concerned with covering for itself.

smelly sock

Laois_Man wrote: »

On the date Jojo Dullard went missing, a certain female Dublin North TD from Fine Gael was Minister for Justice

So if your brother/father is a Fine Gael TD, and is in the ear of his mate who happens to be minister for justice, it's not that far fetched that Gardai will be told to keep things on the down low, and that they might comply!

There was only one FG TD at the time from the town frequently mentioned, now deceased and who did happen to have a farming background.

FFS. Thats fair defamatory. Can you defame a dead person though. Not sure.

kerry cow

If it was my farm , i would say dig away and i want a public apology afterwards if nothing is found .
Nothing to hide , dont be afraid .

But it begs questions now .

screamer

I remember reading about the person with FG links who allegedly gave Jo Jo Dollard a lift on that last night. A few months ago he was even named in some of the reports, but now, nada...,. Seems to have all been removed thanks to data protection laws I'd bet.

screamer

kerry cow wrote: »

If it was my farm , i would say dig away and i want a public apology afterwards if nothing is found .
Nothing to hide , dont be afraid .

But it begs questions now .

Bit hard to dig through sheds and concrete......

kerry cow

screamer wrote:

Bit hard to dig through sheds and concrete......

Ya , but its do able if the will is there .
Like i said , if the garda want to do it and they replace it .
If it gets the world off your back .
Well , dig away lads .

Laois_Man

smelly sock wrote: »

FFS. Thats fair defamatory. Can you defame a dead person though. Not sure.

Firstly, it hasn't named anyone
Secondly, it hasn't named the town
Thirdly, the deceased TD isn't even the one rumored to have harmed Jojo

Sheep breeder

reg114 wrote: »

So 2 weeks after the 20 year anniversary of the disappearance of this girl the Gardai suddenly change the status of this case to a murder case ? I think this is kite flying by the gardai , pure and simple.

If as has been written, the chief suspect is in the UK and would be collared the minute he stepped on to Irish soil then why dont the gardai extradite him based on the 'new information' that has come to light ? Extradition exists in the EU so why not employ it in this case, subsequent to employing a european arrest warrant?

No I dont believe the gardai have anything other than hearsay and conjecture to work on, primarily because the person who committed this crime most probably worked alone and divulged details to no one.

The dogs in the street have implicated the chief suspect for years, a case strengthened by the apparent cessation of these disappearances during his incarceration and his subsequent departure from the country.

Sadly I dont share peoples' confidence in Irish law enforcement or the judicial system. This chief suspect was only caught because he was literally caught red handed but two local men who could identify him and even at that stage he only served 9.5 years in jail and has been free to roam ever since.

The reclassification of this woman's disappearance to a murder guarantees one thing, that he wont set foot on irish soil willingly again, as for new evidence, I think in the absence of an extradition its sadly nonsense.

Agree totally what your saying and the two guys had to say they were fox shooting instead of poaching or LM would have got off on lighter sentence and that poor girls body would never have being found.

tabby aspreme

Laois_Man wrote: »

Firstly, it hasn't named anyone
Secondly, it hasn't named the town
Thirdly, the deceased TD isn't even the one rumored to have harmed Jojo

The politician, who's family member, the rumours were about was never a TD. Murphy's name will always be connected with JJD's disappearance, until the case is solved, as he was living in a rented house a few miles away from her last known sightings

smelly sock

tabby aspreme wrote: »

The politician, who's family member, the rumours were about was never a TD. Murphy's name will always be connected with JJD's disappearance, until the case is solved, as he was living in a rented house a few miles away from her last known sightings

And we know what he is capable of.

It seems likely that he is responsible for Deirdre and JoJo.

dense

Interesting lengthy article in today's IT.





https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/deirdre-jacob-murder-how-do-you-solve-a-20-year-old-crime-1.3598724?mode=amp

nim1bdeh38l2cw

dense wrote: »

Interesting lengthy article in today's IT.





https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/deirdre-jacob-murder-how-do-you-solve-a-20-year-old-crime-1.3598724?mode=amp

Given what we know already about the drunken confession to a fellow criminal, it's pretty clear who the main suspect is and the Indo didn't go off one one the other day.

AudreyHepburn

For those who want to know about the cases of Jojo, Deirdre and the other missing women in more detail it’s worth reading Alan Bailey’s book Missing Presumed.

Although he can’t disclose every detail about each case or name names (which is as it should be to protect the integrity of the cases ) he gives each one a thorough rundown and it’s clear in each case what he and his fellow Gardai believe happened each woman and who is responsible.

AudreyHepburn

The Crowman wrote: »

Yes, he was from Fermanagh, I remember at the time they played the recording of the phone call on the RTE news. He was tracked down pretty quickly but not sure what prosecution or any followed, I think there were mental issues.

In his book Alan Bailey explains that the man had lost his young daughter in a car accident for which he was partly to blame and he stated he wanted to spare Deirdre’s family the same pain.

Apparently the Jacobs were very understanding and even worried about his mental health.

dense

Miya Fancy Squid wrote: »

Given what we know already about the drunken confession to a fellow criminal, it's pretty clear who the main suspect is and the Indo didn't go off one one the other day.

Yeah, I thought the same.


Thing about the map on the passenger seat was interesting.

If it was part of his MO maybe it should be publicised to see if there are any women he tried it on with who never copped it was him.

Laois_Man

tabby aspreme wrote: »

The politician, who's family member, the rumours were about was never a TD.

That makes this tale about the politician even less credible.

I know for a fact that LM, while in the process of attacking the girl he abducted in Carlow did tell her that she wasn’t the first one. And the way he done it proved he was well practiced too. There’s no doubt whatsoever he did it before and I think Jojo was most likely. Although there’s no telling how many he did

Strazdas

Laois_Man wrote: »

That makes this tale about the politician even less credible.

I know for a fact that LM, while in the process of attacking the girl he abducted in Carlow did tell her that she wasn’t the first one. And the way he done it proved he was well practiced too. There’s no doubt whatsoever he did it before and I think Jojo was most likely. Although there’s no telling how many he did

We would have to hope it is a small number and that his luck ran out with the Carlow woman (everything suggests he was about to murder her when he was disturbed). If he'd gotten away with the Carlow woman incident, he could have carried on for years with several more abductions.

kerry cow

The carlow woman was driven in her own car by lm. That does not fit with other people lifted off the road .
In her car he must have left dna
The whole thing does not fit for me

tayto lover

kerry cow wrote: »

The carlow woman was driven in her own car by lm. That does not fit with other people lifted off the road .
In her car he must have left dna
The whole thing does not fit for me

I don't think she was taken in her own car.
Murphy parked his beside her's and when she arrived at it he punched her and put her into his.

trashcan

Miya Fancy Squid wrote: »

Very close to Chalelizard

Or Chapelizod even.

Spanish Eyes

trashcan wrote: »

Or Chapelizod even.

We always called it "Trap a Lizard".

tabby aspreme

tayto lover wrote: »

I don't think she was taken in her own car.
Murphy parked his beside her's and when she arrived at it he punched her and put her into his.

He was driving her car that night, he was probably going to burn it out when he was finished, it was a silver Renault 19 van that he drove.

nim1bdeh38l2cw

trashcan wrote: »

Or Chapelizod even.

Whoosh!

nim1bdeh38l2cw

tabby aspreme wrote: »

He was driving her car that night, he was probably going to burn it out when he was finished, it was a silver Renault 19 van that he drove.

Not according to this, he only drove the girl's car across the carpark : https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/how-two-men-lamping-probably-saved-a-woman-from-being-killed-1.307440%3fmode=amp

Strazdas

Miya Fancy Squid wrote: »

Not according to this, he only drove the girl's car across the carpark : https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/how-two-men-lamping-probably-saved-a-woman-from-being-killed-1.307440%3fmode=amp

Reading that report, it was an incredible stroke of luck the scumbag was caught in the act. He must have thought the chances of being disturbed in the mountains late at night by two men with powerful lamps was a million to one and simply couldn't happen and worse still for him that they recognised him immediately.

kerry cow

Tis terribly sad that family members have passed in so many of these cases of missing people , with out finding their loved ones .
Many many people effected by these bastards .
I hope someday to hear the good news of break throughs.
The people holding information will go to hell ,if theres such a place but can redeem themselves now by helping to solve these murders .
If you are reading this , do the right thing and help .it will give you relief and freedom .

beertons

Will someone pm me the name of the TD. I'm lost.

dense

Miya Fancy Squid wrote: »

Not according to this, he only drove the girl's car across the carpark : https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/how-two-men-lamping-probably-saved-a-woman-from-being-killed-1.307440%3fmode=amp

Did that lady ever go public, or give any interview?

freshpopcorn

dense wrote: »

Did that lady ever go public, or give any interview?

I never heard of her name being made public or her doing an interview.
Details of her victim impact statement may have being released tough.

Laois_Man

dense wrote: »

Did that lady ever go public, or give any interview?

I know the lady's name - just did a quick Google with and without the name "Larry Murphy" and nothing in relation to it comes up. I was pretty sure it wouldn't anyway.

beertons wrote: »

Will someone pm me the name of the TD. I'm lost.

Not much point when people say he was never a TD. I'm pretty sure all this stuff about a politician is bollox anyway!

tabby aspreme

Miya Fancy Squid wrote: »

Not according to this, he only drove the girl's car across the carpark : https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/how-two-men-lamping-probably-saved-a-woman-from-being-killed-1.307440%3fmode=amp

My mistake, I thought the Punto was her car, Renault 19 van was what he drove to work

tabby aspreme

Laois_Man wrote: »

I know the lady's name - just did a quick Google with and without the name "Larry Murphy" and nothing in relation to it comes up. I was pretty sure it wouldn't anyway.




Not much point when people say he was never a TD. I'm pretty sure all this stuff about a politician is bollox anyway!

Politicians son gave her a lift to Moone, she called her family from there.

B.A._Baracus

20 years and no one came forward with information as the op said?

Sadly that most likely means the only one person who knows what happened to her is the person responsible. Probably reveal it on their death bed. Supposed to forgive them too? Yeah right.

dense

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Politicians son gave her a lift to Moone, she called her family from there.

You're talking about JoJo?


The poster youre replying to isnt....
They're talking about the lady Murphy attacked.

nim1bdeh38l2cw

dense wrote: »

You're talking about JoJo?


The poster youre replying to isnt....
They're talking about the lady Murphy attacked.

The second half of the post refers to JoJo

kerry cow

With deirdre , its hard to believe we have footage of her in town and a withness see her at her entrance in home .then gone .
All so strange

smelly sock

kerry cow wrote: »

With deirdre , its hard to believe we have footage of her in town and a withness see her at her entrance in home .then gone .
All so strange

Which could lead you to believe that at the entrance of her home she got into the car of someone she knew. Hardly a stranger. Otherwise she was taken in broad daylight against her will. Murphy seemed to be a bit more calculating than that.

Laois_Man

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Politicians son gave her a lift to Moone, she called her family from there.

That means he dropped Jojo to Moone, decided to turn around and go back to pick her up a second time?!? On one hand that seems implausible, on the other hand it makes sense Becs of the way she abruptly ended the phone call with her flat mate in Kilkenny saying ‘I have to go, I have a lift’ (or words to that effect). Who else in Moone would have known the girl in the phone box was looking for a lift or who else would she have recognized as someone who was there to give her one. Unless she spoke to someone else just before entering the phone box.

Nothing is as implausible tho as this tale about the father being a well connected politician causing X number of people to all work together to get him off. It’s ridiculous

Laois_Man

smelly sock wrote: »

Which could lead you to believe that at the entrance of her home she got into the car of someone she knew. Hardly a stranger. Otherwise she was taken in broad daylight against her will. Murphy seemed to be a bit more calculating than that.

It has never been confirmed that DJ didn’t enter the house and then leave again as far as I know?

Strazdas

smelly sock wrote: »

Which could lead you to believe that at the entrance of her home she got into the car of someone she knew. Hardly a stranger. Otherwise she was taken in broad daylight against her will. Murphy seemed to be a bit more calculating than that.

Everything seems to suggest Deirdre was abducted off the roadside by a stranger - very similar to the Jastine Valdez abduction and murder this year.

Detectives never formed the view that someone known to her was responsible for her disappearance. She wasn't even living in Ireland at the time, she had moved to London and was home for a short break.

Beechwoodspark

Laois_Man wrote: »

That means he dropped Jojo to Moone, decided to turn around and go back to pick her up a second time?!? On one hand that seems implausible, on the other hand it makes sense Becs of the way she abruptly ended the phone call with her flat mate in Kilkenny saying ‘I have to go, I have a lift’ (or words to that effect). Who else in Moone would have known the girl in the phone box was looking for a lift or who else would she have recognized as someone who was there to give her one. Unless she spoke to someone else just before entering the phone box.

Nothing is as implausible tho as this tale about the father being a well connected politician causing X number of people to all work together to get him off. It’s ridiculous

LM Apparently lived nearby at the time and also drank in a local pub.

Sofi1

Laois_Man wrote: »

It has never been confirmed that DJ didn’t enter the house and then leave again as far as I know?

When her mum came home that evening, the double lock was still on the front door, and she knew straight away that Deirdre hasn't returned from Newbridge earlier. She also got worried straight away, presumably as Deirdre was a conscientious type of person, and would have let her know if she was going somewhere else that day. So her parents always believed that she never got through the front door.

Sofi1

Strazdas wrote: »

Everything seems to suggest Deirdre was abducted off the roadside by a stranger - very similar to the Jastine Valdez abduction and murder this year.

Detectives never formed the view that someone known to her was responsible for her disappearance. She wasn't even living in Ireland at the time, she had moved to London and was home for a short break.

Well, she would have known lots and lots of people in Newbridge. All her schooling was in Newbridge, she was involved in choirs and music groups, had a big circle of friends, and her granny owned a shop on the main street, so she would have been in there regularly since she was a child, I presume. Newbridge was a pretty "community" sort of town at the time, everyone knew everyone. It's probably a bit different now.

She'd only gone to London at the start of the college year in 1997, and was back home for the summer holidays. It's not like everyone forgot her in that time in London! But there didn't seem to be any motive for anyone she knew to abduct her. That, plus the circumstantial evidence placing LM in the area at the time, especially in the light of his conviction for rape and attempted murder, strongly suggests stranger abduction by that creature.

smelly sock

Shocking. I hope they get answers.

Ash.J.Williams

smelly sock wrote: »

https://www.aldi.ie/18v-li-ion-mini-circular-saw/p/082969210359800

Thsts how sad it is. Shocking. I hope they get answers.

Wha?

Bradlin

What has an ad for Aldi got to do with this?

Not helpful to the discussion.

NickD

This is pure speculation but reading through the thread I wonder did they find something in LM's mother's house after she died. Did he keep some trophies in there rather than his own house, that were hidden until the house was being cleared?

Based on absolutely nothing other than speculation and the timing.

wellwhynot

In Larry Murphy’s alleged drunken confession he said he abducted her from the roadside. He put children’s toys in the back seat of the car and a map on the passenger seat. He asked Deirdre for directions and grabbed her by the hair pulling her into the car.

AudreyHepburn

wellwhynot wrote: »

In Larry Murphy’s alleged drunken confession he said he abducted her from the roadside. He put children’s toys in the back seat of the car and a map on the passenger seat. He asked Deirdre for directions and grabbed her by the hair pulling her into the car.

I’ve always said her disappearance perfectly fits his MO and that there was now the Carlow woman was his frisky or only.

Bragging about it to a fellow prisoner also fits with his personality.