Galway Festival 2018

Joe_ Public

Have to be delighted for Mikey Enright, great post race interview there. Was interested in what Elliott said about not putting the amateur up on the horse because it would cost too much, at least that's what he appeared to say anyway, but not sure what he was getting at there.

Francie Barrett

Sir Ector at 150/1 ew in the last looks a bit overpriced to me. With a more progressive run than last time it ran here and I reckon it will go close.

Aurora1966

Francie Barrett wrote:

Sir Ector at 150/1 ew in the last looks a bit overpriced to me. With a more progressive run than last time it ran here and I reckon it will go close.

Not a bad effort from the old boy, I think his best days are behind him but only a few lengths of the gambled on fav.

posturingpat

Whiskey sour is a definite bet in the hurdle for me today. Has course form. Ran a cracker on the flat recently and kept good company over hurdles all season. Ran an absolute belter in the county hurdle off a similar mark when showing a serious turn of foot between the last 2 which could be key here come the business end. Ran 2 nice races over hurdles since in graded company when ridden to place and the faster they go the better today.
Ruby not onboard makes him a fair price too.
The other one I'd give a squeak in the conditions is Jers girl with a few lb off her back.
Been a pretty poor week for me so far though.

djPSB

posturingpat wrote: »

Whiskey sour is a definite bet in the hurdle for me today. Has course form. Ran a cracker on the flat recently and kept good company over hurdles all season. Ran an absolute belter in the county hurdle off a similar mark when showing a serious turn of foot between the last 2 which could be key here come the business end. Ran 2 nice races over hurdles since in graded company when ridden to place and the faster they go the better today.
Ruby not onboard makes him a fair price too.
The other one I'd give a squeak in the conditions is Jers girl with a few lb off her back.
Been a pretty poor week for me so far though.

Comments from Ruby himself.


'You could make a strong case for any of Willie’s runners in this one. I had to try to rule out a couple in order to make a decision.

Sharjah is not particularly well-handicapped and is lumped with 11-7 so I put a line through him. Paul Townend really fancies Good Thyne Tara, having been really impressed with here the last time out in Cork. Whiskey Sour’s course record is incredible, but is 3lbs higher than when he placed in the County Hurdle – he’s a Grade 1 winner but is a very small horse and 11-4 will be a lot of weight for him. Katie O’Farrell takes 5lbs off Voix Du Reve, whose last two wins were impressive, but came in much weaker races. This is a very competitive contest. I really fancied Blazer in the Galway Plate and he’ll want all the rain that has fallen in order to bring stamina into play in the Galway Hurdle.

But I went for Max Dynamite, who was the only one under 11 stone – and that’s really what swung me. Carrying over 11 stone is difficult in this race, even if Clondaw Warrior may have won on 11-4.

Still, it’s a shot in the dark. Any one of Willie’s could win'

posturingpat

I'd probably have Max dynamite the first one of Mullins marked off the card in these conditions.
Hasn't exactly been firing on all cylinders on the flat either. Shocked he's picked him but he knows a lot more than I in truth.

Normstorm

Few picks for today based on nothing but my own research & gut feeling! Best of luck to all!

1340 - Caltex
1415 - Robin Des Forts
1600 - Causey Arch
1635 - Whiskey Sour
1715 - High Expectations

madmoose

Got to have a bet on Jers Girl with the ground and 33/1 5 places will do for ew.

Whiskey Sour the other bet at 7/1 win.

gazza1

Gone for 3 today

2.50 Perfect Soldier
5.15 Camlann

Hurdle
Whiskey Sour

GL

BumperD

Some great extra place specials today across both meetings, perfect for ew doubles

antietam

madmoose wrote: »

Got to have a bet on Jers Girl with the ground and 33/1 5 places will do for ew.

Whiskey Sour the other bet at 7/1 win.

Jers Girl is a cracking mare but she was very heavily punted at Cheltenham[I know the previous owners]but she bled and has not run well since.She wants it deep and could be used as a pacemaker today but if they give her a soft lead she stays big time.Here's hoping she doesn't break down again.

mohican22

Ruby Walsh gave that Minella Beau some ride loose horses round him throughout kept abit up his sleeve until rounded turn and then got stuck in and got him up.

The Mig

Rashaan is some horse. Game as F**k!

antietam

BumperD wrote: »

Was going to put it up here myself too but was busy in the ring coordinating about 30 runners in a frenzy of betting backing it at double figures, had to pull the car over on the N17 as the tires were hitting the wheel rims weighed down with cash just made it home live only 5 miles from track anyone know the closest bank that accepts cash without questions?

Refer to page 6.How could I tell anyone to back it when I was told Stall 14 he had a less chance[best handicapped horse at Galway].But info changed later which i didn't post and unfortunately the Idiots [cannot or will never understand racing,pure clueless morons and facts state that]descended on me.I never tell lies,ever, but sometimes im right sometimes im wrong.I put up to PM my own horse in share with lads with Jers Girl,Callthebarman not to the monkeys on this site that have not got any clue[complete distain for their,opinion],pardon for the rant.There are some super intellegent posters on this site and I love reading their posts and their knowledge is excellent but the few bring this great site down with thier lack of class.Better add these most understanding posters go and support Cheltenham nights because the cannot see[ they need to be told].

TheRiverman

Brian Glesson doing my head in.He has picked up so much of that crazy **** presenting from ITV Racing.

Francie Barrett

djPSB wrote: »

Comments from Ruby himself.


'You could make a strong case for any of Willie’s runners in this one. I had to try to rule out a couple in order to make a decision.

Sharjah is not particularly well-handicapped and is lumped with 11-7 so I put a line through him. Paul Townend really fancies Good Thyne Tara, having been really impressed with here the last time out in Cork. Whiskey Sour’s course record is incredible, but is 3lbs higher than when he placed in the County Hurdle – he’s a Grade 1 winner but is a very small horse and 11-4 will be a lot of weight for him. Katie O’Farrell takes 5lbs off Voix Du Reve, whose last two wins were impressive, but came in much weaker races. This is a very competitive contest. I really fancied Blazer in the Galway Plate and he’ll want all the rain that has fallen in order to bring stamina into play in the Galway Hurdle.

But I went for Max Dynamite, who was the only one under 11 stone – and that’s really what swung me. Carrying over 11 stone is difficult in this race, even if Clondaw Warrior may have won on 11-4.

Still, it’s a shot in the dark. Any one of Willie’s could win'

Ruby is some gangster.

ANDREWMUFC

Rachel Blackmore the thick clown what was she doing at the start looking around cost the horse 20+ lenghts

Pussyhands

I love Brian gleesons presenting.

Francie Barrett

antietam wrote: »

Refer to page 6.How could I tell anyone to back it when I was told Stall 14 he had a less chance[best handicapped horse at Galway].But info changed later which i didn't post and unfortunately the Idiots [cannot or will never understand racing,pure clueless morons and facts state that]descended on me.I never tell lies,ever, but sometimes im right sometimes im wrong.I put up to PM my own horse in share with lads with Jers Girl,Callthebarman not to the monkeys on this site that have not got any clue[complete distain for their,opinion],pardon for the rant.There are some super intellegent posters on this site and I love reading their posts and their knowledge is excellent but the few bring this great site down with thier lack of class.Better add these most understanding posters go and support Cheltenham nights because the cannot see[ they need to be told].

This is great, thank you.

Slattsy

How many times have I put up Sharjah on this forum and today the only day I didn't touch him! Bollox anyway.

Actually thought ground went against him more than the weight being the negative. Oh well.

convert

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

Rachel Blackmore the thick clown what was she doing at the start looking around cost the horse 20+ lenghts

And yesterday she was a brilliant jockey! :rolleyes:

madmoose

You would think everything would be against Sharjah there today would have put plenty off and then wins easy. Had him in mind 3 weeks ago but havent the last few days, one that’s got away.

TheRiverman

Totally agree with Ted Walsh calling the Councils and lazy farmers a disgrace allowing Ragworth to grow wild every year.Its one of the most obnoxious weeds.Also,it is not only the ragworth,but roadside hedges and grass margins.I live here in West Offaly and we are totally abandoned by Offaly County Council who never maintain them anymore.It is the same in other counties,but Offaly is one of the worst.Anyway fair dues to Ted,some people might not like his style,but he says as he sees it.

Francie Barrett

Charlie Byrne's horse getting lashed into, he's having some form with the bumper horses this year.

KingJamsie

gazza1 wrote: »

Gone for 3 today

2.50 Perfect Soldier
5.15 Camlann

Hurdle
Whiskey Sour

GL

Well done gazza

BumperD

madmoose wrote: »

You would think everything would be against Sharjah there today would have put plenty off and then wins easy. Had him in mind 3 weeks ago but havent the last few days, one that’s got away.

Couldn’t touch him on that ground

gazza1

BumperD wrote: »

Couldn’t touch him on that ground

Agreed
Was the first one I drew a line through. It's hard enough to try pick a winner and then that happens.

Edgware

I spoke with a number of pals who are regular racegoers and all are getting fed up with the scene. Mullins/Eliott fancied horses being turned over by horses from the same yard.
I know its not Willie Mullins or Gordon Eliott that makes a horse favourite and if ownerships are dominated by McManus and O Leary theres not much can be done but ordinary punters are getting fed up with it. Its not just Galway but the whole winter this has being happening

kiers47

Edgware wrote: »

I spoke with a number of pals who are regular racegoers and all are getting fed up with the scene. Mullins/Eliott fancied horses being turned over by horses from the same yard.
I know its not Willie Mullins or Gordon Eliott that makes a horse favourite and if ownerships are dominated by McManus and O Leary theres not much can be done but ordinary punters are getting fed up with it. Its not just Galway but the whole winter this has being happening

In fairness lads backing favorites just because they are the favorite are going to lose money forever and always.
If Gordon/Willie weren't sending numerous entries to these races they would be horrendous affairs and similar to the ****e you see at a mid week meeting in the UK.

antietam

Francie Barrett wrote: »

This is great, thank you.

You Francie are a serious intelligent guy and posters should take extreme note of your intellect.

BumperD

Good god.

gazza1

Mine Now 7.55 12/1 ew

Makes chase h'cap debut off a mark of 125 and the jockey takes a further 5lbs off.
Has a hurdle rating of 143 so is thrown in if he can bring his hurdle form to the fore.
Ground not a problem with all wins coming on either yielding soft or heavy

5.45 KUDBEGOOD 7/1 ew

Another h'cap debutant was withdrawn on monday cos of the ground as he's been waiting for softer ground.
2nd over 7f lto to Rock Sound (Rated 78) beaten 3/4L so a mark of 68 looks very fair.
Step up to a mile should suit based on last run and not badly drawn

GL

tryfix

kiers47 wrote: »

In fairness lads backing favorites just because they are the favorite are going to lose money forever and always.
If Gordon/Willie weren't sending numerous entries to these races they would be horrendous affairs and similar to the ****e you see at a mid week meeting in the UK.

That's all true, but it makes successful betting in those kinds of races pretty damn impossible from a form POV. If a race is allowed to be a lottery then it's something a punter should avoid unless they have a way of not losing most of the time on those races.

Looking at the Galway Plate yesterday all I could think of was how Michael O Leary must be spending an absolute fortune while he's making a pig's ear of Irish NH racing.

Computer Science Student

Have a mighty tip for tomorrow lads PM me if interested

donaldtramp

Does anyone know where I can buy a racehorse?

jobeenfitz

donaldtramp wrote: »

Does anyone know where I can buy a racehorse?

Ballinasloe, if ya can wait til October?

kiers47

tryfix wrote: »

That's all true, but it makes successful betting in those kinds of races pretty damn impossible from a form POV. If a race is allowed to be a lottery then it's something a punter should avoid unless they have a way of not losing most of the time on those races.

Looking at the Galway Plate yesterday all I could think of was how Michael O Leary must be spending an absolute fortune while he's making a pig's ear of Irish NH racing.

Ya they can be a lottery but the average punter it seems believes you have to have a bet in every race. Then complains that they can't win because Willie is winning with outsiders.

As far as I can see if the people complaining stopped betting on every race then they may have a chance.

tryfix

kiers47 wrote: »

Ya they can be a lottery but the average punter it seems believes you have to have a bet in every race. Then complains that they can't win because Willie is winning with outsiders.

As far as I can see if the people complaining stopped betting on every race then they may have a chance.

I don't follow everyday jumps racing so I only notice the problem of multiple stable/owner entries in the big Irish NH races, particularly the big money handicaps like the Irish Grand National which are the types of races that should be showcasing NH racing in a way that would make coming racing attractive to a new generation of racegoers.

Having to explain to a new racegoer that the favourite will most likely be beaten by one of six stablemates carrying the same colours that no one could make a case for on the formbook is going to make the new racegoer think that Irish racing is too dodgy to touch.

The same goes for the O'Brien/Coolmore horses on the flat but at least the Coolmore owned horses tend to run in a variety of colours so that punters don't have to be sifting through 6 runners in identical silks looking for the particular slightly different coloured hat that their punting choice is running in. It's a big turn off looking through a big field of runners for your coloured hat as you watch a host of identical colours being carried by runners that are falling, out the back or somewhere near the pace.

There should be a clampdown on the multiples of same coloured silks an owner can run in a race. It's almost as bad in England where the Godolphin blue silks are carried by 4 or more owners in some races where punters are squinting to figure out which runner is which.


Also on the flat, It's an utter disgrace that O'Brien is allowed to train his multiple runners in races where punters have no clue which of his are out for a gallop and which ones are out to win. The rules of racing state that all runners must be trying, the racing authorities are a bad joke.

Mostly Harmless

Apart from the awkwardness of having loads of the same silks or the Coolmore pacemaker/team tactics on flat, I don't really see the issue with having multiple horses running for the same connections in the same race - I don't think it makes the race any more or less of a lottery, a 20+ runner handicap hurdle run round a sharp track on soft ground will not see the FAV winning 100% of the time regardless of how many runners WPM has - if you ran yesterdays race a 100 times how many times would Sharjah win it?

Are we genuinely saying that when Wings Of Eagles won the Derby, the other Coolmore horses were out for a gallop?

NaiveMelodies

"Rubys a Gangster because he didn't think the winner of the Galway Hurdle had a chance(this opinion cost him 20k)"
"Elliotts a cheat because high class Clarcam wins a ****e Galway Plate AT 33/1."

It's comments like these by bookie dwellers and some actual racing fans that go a long way to developing this kind of notion that when a trainer/owner has multiple runners, one of those runners is fixed to win.
It's not that hard to explain that this isn't the case to new fans and racegoers.

Of course it isn't ideal, like in any sport, that a select number of owners/trainers have somewhat of a monopoly.
Despite this monopoly, Horse Racing does produce far more fairytale underdog stories than most other sports.

NaiveMelodies

Thunder and Roses my belated bet of the week in the 7.55.
25s too big.

kiers47

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

Apart from the awkwardness of having loads of the same silks or the Coolmore pacemaker/team tactics on flat, I don't really see the issue with having multiple horses running for the same connections in the same race - I don't think it makes the race any more or less of a lottery, a 20+ runner handicap hurdle run round a sharp track on soft ground will not see the FAV winning 100% of the time regardless of how many runners WPM has - if you ran yesterdays race a 100 times how many times would Sharjah win it?

Are we genuinely saying that when Wings Of Eagles won the Derby, the other Coolmore horses were out for a gallop?

Fair points.
The fav should never be winning 100% of the time. This in my eyes is peoples main downfall. Everything gets beat and everything should have a cut off. People sticking a load of odds on shots into an acca and cribbing that a 1/4 shot gets beat by his stablemate as if it was as certain to happen as the sun rising.

Like Tryfix i dont tend to follow a whole pile of NH meetings as im more a flat man.
I dont see the problem running a number of horses in a race once they are all going to be running on merits. With the odd exception of some of the top flat group 1's a pacemaker setting a decent but not absurd pace is almost always going to make the race a more fair test for the best horses. How many Group 1s have we seen down the years where they hack round and sprint from the 2f pole. Farcical stuff.

In them top NH h/c's gordon and willies are all there trying to win. There is no ifs or buts about it. Aidan i suppose can leave a bit of work to do on his 2yo's first time out but i mean is anyone backing them at short prices on racecourse debut? Maybe, but Jesus you'd want your head examined if you are.

Francie Barrett

Best bet of the day, if not week has to be Chieftain's Choice in the 4:20 at Bangor. This one always sticks in my head from when I saw it run back in November 2016 when it was a disgraceful non-trier. After a short holiday, it then came back to win a few months later off a mark of 114. A few runs later it now has a 124 rating over fences and is as low as 110 over hurdles after it made a seasonal re-appearance and brushed the cobwebs off. Just been a bit nibbled at in the betting makes me think that this could be ready to put in a big performance today. 8/1 best price now, decent win bet for me.

Francie Barrett

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

It's comments like these by bookie dwellers and some actual racing fans that go a long way to developing this kind of notion that when a trainer/owner has multiple runners, one of those runners is fixed to win.

You really are a sh1t stirrer, aren't you? No one said anything about fixing, so don't put words into my mouth.

Bangor Billy

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Best bet of the day, if not week has to be Chieftain's Choice in the 4:20 at Bangor. This one always sticks in my head from when I saw it run back in November 2016 when it was a disgraceful non-trier. After a short holiday, it then came back to win a few months later off a mark of 114. A few runs later it now has a 124 rating over fences and is as low as 110 over hurdles after it made a seasonal re-appearance and brushed the cobwebs off. Just been a bit nibbled at in the betting makes me think that this could be ready to put in a big performance today. 8/1 best price now, decent win bet for me.

Off to Bangor today so I will take your advice

tryfix

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

Apart from the awkwardness of having loads of the same silks or the Coolmore pacemaker/team tactics on flat, I don't really see the issue with having multiple horses running for the same connections in the same race - I don't think it makes the race any more or less of a lottery, a 20+ runner handicap hurdle run round a sharp track on soft ground will not see the FAV winning 100% of the time regardless of how many runners WPM has - if you ran yesterdays race a 100 times how many times would Sharjah win it?

Are we genuinely saying that when Wings Of Eagles won the Derby, the other Coolmore horses were out for a gallop?

You won't find too many people saying that O'Brien's horses aren't trying in an important race like the Epsom Derby. Wings Of Eagles was a running on 2nd in a Derby Trial, punters would be assuming that he'd be giving it his best to get placed in the Derby.

Where O'Brien's horses are out for a gallop is the 2yo maidens where very few of his bluebloods ever win first time out. It's O'Brien's training technique to run a clatter of Galileo, War Front and Scat Daddy debutants in a maiden where they often all finish out the back or running on from the rear at the end of the race after getting the most gentle of introductions.

Most 2yo debutants from other stables try a lot harder to "gain the best possible placing" on their debut and almost everyone understands that 2yo debutants are very green and that they should improve with racing. O'Brien's debutants often go way beyond the running green stage into the out for an educational gallop stage. Often the best bred O'Brien 2yo will go off favourite for a maiden with the once a year racegoer not having a clue that this particular favourite won't be running to win the race.

Ladyinthedark

Computer Science Student wrote: »

Have a mighty tip for tomorrow lads PM me if interested

Pm d u

NaiveMelodies

Francie Barrett wrote: »

You really are a sh1t stirrer, aren't you? No one said anything about fixing, so don't put words into my mouth.

Are you trying to say that calling Ruby a gangster is not implying that he is a cheat?

If you read the comment properly you'd note I said that these kind of comments 'go a long way to developing the notion'.
I am not putting words into your mouth.
I am actually explaining how the nonsensical words in your mouth could effect the opinions of new racegoers and prospective fans of the sport.

Francie Barrett

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Are you trying to say that calling Ruby a gangster is not implying that he is a cheat?

If you read the comment properly you'd note I said that these kind of comments 'go a long way to developing the notion'.
I am not putting words into your mouth.
I am actually explaining how the nonsensical words in your mouth could effect the opinions of new racegoers and prospective fans of the sport.

Of course he is not a cheat. He is the greatest national hunt rider of his generation. The notion he would try to fix a tuppenny race is nonsense.

The issue I have are his comments to the media. Horses that have no chance go off and win races, horses that he fancies do nothing, what's worse is that he talks about horses being in fine form schooling, only for them to be pulled for big races just hours later. This happens all the time with Ruby. You cannot trust a word that comes out of his mouth.

Auroras_encore

On all known form the first thing anyone would have done is put a line through sharjah on that ground and weight