Publicly unacceptable opinions

FishOnABike

keffiyeh wrote: »

Alarming.

For your first point, it's acceptable I suppose if you want Ireland to leave the EU, and lose all the benefits that brings. Would that be ok with you?

Secondly, can you clarify why Ireland should not need to shelter fugees? Do you think the Irish should have been turned away from America?

I wouldn't be a fan but to be honest their music isn't that bad.

Undividual

Mackmatic wrote: »

This just screams "someone please validate my sh!tty opinions".

So frustrating to see a comment like this. 

The natural state of human knowledge is ignorance.  How do people expect others to learn or change their sh*tty opinions if they cannot be discussed?

Undividual

oneilla wrote: »

OP doesn't like Muslims, travellers and women. You can find online spaces where these awful views are "accepted" and, you might even find a group of friends who share them. Perhaps you could voice support for a certain US president....

Silly points, to be fair.  I never said I didn't like any of the above.  I just want everyone to be held to the same standards, as I thought I outlined.

Undividual

Shenshen wrote: »

My really unacceptable opinion is that everybody should be given the benefit of doubt.

OVER MY DEAD BODY!

Undividual

Deleted User wrote: »

The first page of this thread is exactly why polling is so unreliable. People don't even tell the truth on their phones lest their family or housemates hear them say one thing and then blow it up into something else. We have people calling OP's opinions shltty and others saying he "doesn't like Muslims, travellers and women." There are definitely people here who think he's a Nazi.

You're allowed to have qualms with things without it turning into dislike or hate. Stop seeing the world and especially people's opinions in black and white.


In order, natural migration flows work, mass immigration from anywhere or by any group of people doesn't.
Travellers don't integrate well into society.

Do a lot of women have boxes for potential mates to tick? Yes.
Are these boxes as relevant now as they were even 20 years ago? No.
Those are the unrealistic expectations that shouldn't exist in a society with both parents working.

Women are more likely to be bisexual than men. The trope of the "man-hating lesbians" are just the bisexual women who've had an awful experience with men. My girlfriend and most of her friends find women attractive, and even sexually appealing. Most have fooled around with another girl at some point. This is absolutely not as common in men.


Do I dislike Muslim people, travellers, or women? No, I certainly don't. But I am Hitler.

From one Hitler to another, I'm glad to read the above and feel like my post was actually read as intended, thank you. 

To be clear, I also do not dislike Muslim people, travellers, or women.

Pac1Man

There is an incredible amount of dim people here. Unable to see the wood for the trees.

Undividual

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Try_harder wrote: »

Its playing the victim card! People think Im racist/sexist etc

This is the standard right wing practice now. Faux rebellion. I'm not allowed to say this, says the Daily Mail columnist. I'm not allowed to say this, says Jordan Peterson to an audience of thousands. I'm not allowed to say this, says Paul Joseph Watson on his highly popular youtube videos. I'm not allowed say this, says Trump from the Oval Office.

I understand what you're saying but I think the question this begs is why are so many people listening to these individuals?  I broadly believe their advocacy for free speech and willingness to offend others (though I don't know PJW's content too much) is what makes them so attractive to the public.  People have been stifled for so long due to the constricting force of political correctness that there is a rising sentiment for plain speaking people.

TomSweeney

DONTMATTER wrote: »

On boards.ie, I've found that thinking that women deserve equal rights is an unacceptable position. Disliking racists is an unacceptable position. Stating that Dublin have been given far more money than everybody else in Gaelic Games is an unacceptable position. Overall though it's just a bit of craic. A silly internet forum that we can talk **** in.

So disingenous ...

Undividual

mikemac2 wrote: »

The stereotype of Jewish people being money hungry is accurate in my experience

To preface, I have only met one person in my life that I know is Jewish and I know very little about him. 

I am incredibly bored of seeing Hollywood movies about Jewish people.  Like transgender and gay people, they are over-represented in American movies and TV shows in my opinion, and often as victims, or at the very least not as villains.  Inglourious Basterds is probably the best example of this. 

Having read Man's Search for Meaning, I would be more interested in seeing movies/shows about those Jews in concentration camps who worked for the Nazis.  I would find that kind of scumbag survival instinct more intriguing tbh.

Mike Hoch

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

This is the standard right wing practice now. Faux rebellion. I'm not allowed to say this, says the Daily Mail columnist. I'm not allowed to say this, says Jordan Peterson to an audience of thousands. I'm not allowed to say this, says Paul Joseph Watson on his highly popular youtube videos. I'm not allowed say this, says Trump from the Oval Office.

That's some pretty awful examples.

There is a campaign to boycott advertisers who pay for ad space with the Daily Mail, in an effort to shut down the aforementioned columnists, to deprive them of employment with a media outlet that agrees to broadcast their views.

The likes of Watson live under an impending permanent ban from the various social media sites. Of course, it's their perogative what they want on their networks, but to say he has an unrestricted right to free speech is pushing it.

I don't understand the hype about Peterson at all, I got bored after 12 minutes of listening to him, but there were the usual muppets protesting and handing out flyers at his point depot gig recently.

Take the case with Katie Ascough. She was forced out of her position because she was unwilling to break the law. Granted, the law handily correlated with her own personal beliefs, but the bottom line is she was forced out because of both who her parents are and that she wouldn't pull Mandela and break laws she agreed with on behalf of those who didn't. Contrast that with Ibrahim Halawa- he's also the offspring of a prominent religious conservative. You won't find anyone from the crowd who kicked Ascough out asking Halawa where he stood on the two recent referendums (even former golden cow John Connors copped the ire of the right on brigade for his abortion stance.)


I couldn't care less what anyone's views are. I think that within reason anyone should talk about whatever they want so long as it doesn't call for the removal of the democratic state. Unfortunately the hard left doesn't seem to give this much track.

Shenshen

somefeen wrote: »

I disagree with both of you.
The fugees were a great band.
Sadly that's another publicly unacceptable opinion

Sadly, they ended up overshadowed by the beegees.

Shenshen

Mike Hoch wrote: »

That's some pretty awful examples.

There is a campaign to boycott advertisers who pay for ad space with the Daily Mail, in an effort to shut down the aforementioned columnists, to deprive them of employment with a media outlet that agrees to broadcast their views.

The likes of Watson live under an impending permanent ban from the various social media sites. Of course, it's their perogative what they want on their networks, but to say he has an unrestricted right to free speech is pushing it.

I don't understand the hype about Peterson at all, I got bored after 12 minutes of listening to him, but there were the usual muppets protesting and handing out flyers at his point depot gig recently.

Take the case with Katie Ascough. She was forced out of her position because she was unwilling to break the law. Granted, the law handily correlated with her own personal beliefs, but the bottom line is she was forced out because of both who her parents are and that she wouldn't pull Mandela and break laws she agreed with on behalf of those who didn't. Contrast that with Ibrahim Halawa- he's also the offspring of a prominent religious conservative. You won't find anyone from the crowd who kicked Ascough out asking Halawa where he stood on the two recent referendums (even former golden cow John Connors copped the ire of the right on brigade for his abortion stance.)


I couldn't care less what anyone's views are. I think that within reason anyone should talk about whatever they want so long as it doesn't call for the removal of the democratic state. Unfortunately the hard left doesn't seem to give this much track.

Do people still conflate the right to say what you want without legal repercussions with the right to be given a platform off your choice to say it from?

uptherebels

Mike Hoch wrote: »

Take the case with Katie Ascough. She was forced out of her position because she was unwilling to break the law. Granted, the law handily correlated with her own personal beliefs, but the bottom line is she was forced out because of both who her parents are and that she wouldn't pull Mandela and break laws she agreed with on behalf of those who didn't.

Seeing as how people knew who she was and who her parents were when she was voted in , you don't get to play that card. She agreed not to interfere with the pro choice standing in the students union and was removed when people realised she was lieing.

Why would a staunch anti choicer become the head of a pro choice organisation? I give you a hint.... To interfere.

Mike Hoch

Shenshen wrote: »

Do people still conflate the right to say what you want without legal repercussions with the right to be given a platform off your choice to say it from?

Legal repercussions vs repercussions on your ability to earn a wage are two completely different things. Generally speaking there are no legal repercussions for saying anything in Ireland, bar the unenforced blasphemy laws. But the list of people who have suffered loss of earnings by their comments is numerous- George Hook, Eamon Dunphy, Jackson and Olding, Katie Aiscough (I'm assuming her position was a paid one?), the list goes on. I just don't think its a level playing field that, say, Lily Allen or J.K Rowling aren't dropped from their labels or publisher for their champagne socialist utterings, yet people on the other side of the spectrum can be fecked out over their opinions.

ohnonotgmail

Shenshen wrote: »

Do people still conflate the right to say what you want without legal repercussions with the right to be given a platform off your choice to say it from?

Worryingly there does appear to be a large cohort of people who still believe this nonsense.

Mike Hoch

uptherebels wrote: »

Seeing as how people knew who she was and who her parents were when she was voted in , you don't get to play that card. She agreed not to interfere with the pro choice standing in the students union and was removed when people realised she was lieing.

By refusing to take a stand of violating the laws of the land?

It would seem the average student didn't know or didn't care who she was associated with. Didn't she survive the first impeachment vote due to a lac of interest?

Why would a staunch anti choicer become the head of a pro choice organisation? I give you a hint.... To interfere.

The union is not a pro choice organisation. It's a student union. You might as well call the Irish Times a pro choice organisation instead of a newspaper.

Mind you, you're probably the type who thinks Domino's Pizza is a right wing Catholic advocacy group.

the_pen_turner

This year has been one of the worst years weather wise. You could do very little

tom1ie

The more equal women get with regards to media share and pay etc, the more aggressive towards men, especially while driving, women get.
Is this view unacceptable?
By media share I mean women’s opinions in the media, being presenters of media shows (news talk anyone?) etc.

yourdeadwright

Gay pride day should be changed to Equality day, That way it includes everyone and no ones left out which was the issues to start with ,

Stone Deaf 4evr

As i scroll through this thread, a part of me secretly fears that to thank any post will flag me as some sort of racist/sexist/facist/ist-ist.

pawdee

U2 are (and always have been) shyte.

TomSweeney

I don't like the Beatles - never have.

Technocentral

Try_harder wrote: »

Funny the opinions like the ops are all I see in Boards of late - must be be acceptable on boards. Eventually people get tired of listening to it and move on somewhere else.

After Hours is a dominated by the Irish far right, sad.

Technocentral

manonboard wrote: »

I have concerns and questions i'd like to discuss regards transgender-ism, but unfortunately it is a topic that attracts alot of hate if the mainstream left narrative is questioned. The right just tend to be too insecure to discuss it either for the opposite reason.

I dont really care that people do it or not. Its not my body or experiences. Maybe its no different than my desire to add bulk to my slim body.

I do have grave concerns about the encouragement of 'identity' in various ways. Suppose a person is born in a body A, and they feel odd in it...and want body B. We currently teach them that they should of been born in body B, and that B is truly who they are....
Well that makes no sense in my understanding. You are C. C is a body of A with urges for B. That C is going to change alot, and isnt really the same C. It's just the arising condition of C temporarily.

People with body A don't know what its like to be in body B so its incorrect to even suggest its a correct one for them. I find it tends to be far more how they are treated, and that points to a societal issue that we should not be treating people in body A in a way that they dont want to be treated.

I think its a very mentally unhealthy thing to teach people that the way they are born is not ok if they have a desire/urge/compulsion to be different.
I think its fine to help them change if they want, but it's a very very odd thing we are doing teaching identity different than what we currently are is a positive thing.
I practice Buddhism, and after a decade, the concept of trying to keep and form a static identity is a very suffering based idea. Not one i'd encourage for people to follow, for their own sake.

It's not a left/right issue, a lot on the left are critical of Transgender agenda too.

lassykk

oneilla wrote: »

Anyway, I dislike dogs and this is a near-universally unacceptable opinion. There are far too many dogs in urban areas. The barking and public defecation attracts my ire the most. Not interested in the usual "good vs bad dog owners" debate. I don't like dogs and those who harp on about them being so intelligent and great companions sound like idiots oddballs. Want a dog? Go live with it on a big farm somewhere or in the wilderness thousands of years ago away from people who want to walk on public paths and through parks in peace.

I couldn't agree with you more! It's so rare to see someone who agrees with me on this!!!

Hotblack Desiato

keffiyeh wrote: »

You might think you can wriggle out of it with intellectual dishonesty, but it won't work. Firstly, Ireland is part of a union, so it's not just our rules. Secondly, it is within our rules to accept fugees. You can drop the idiot band reference, you're not funny. The Irish got their chance to survive, those currently in a situation should be allowed the same. You're attitude comes down to "**** you got mine" which just seems borderline sociopathic to me.

We're not bound to do anything except what our laws provide for and the international agreements we've entered into provide for. These can change, or be withdrawn from.

Using juvenile, stupid terminology just makes your posts look stupid and juvenile.

Yes it is their country their rules, our country our rules, unless you want to abolish all borders in the world and all private property?

Can anyone who feels like it come and stay in your home, or is it your home your rules?

Ireland is our collective home and we decide, through our governments, who gets to come and live here. And if governments don't clamp down on the blatant p!ss-taking, sure as eggs are eggs there will be an electoral backlash.

Undividual

Technocentral wrote: »

Try_harder wrote: »

Funny the opinions like the ops are all I see in Boards of late - must be be acceptable on boards. Eventually people get tired of listening to it and move on somewhere else.

After Hours is a dominated by the Irish far right, sad.

I don't know if I agree with that, but in any case, why specifically is that sad?

I don't understand why people who hold differing political opinions don't debate the issues.  It seems to me that people on the right are conveniently labelled as a way of avoiding dialogue. 

I put my thoughts in the OP and someone commented saying that it was a way of me looking for validation on my sh*tty opinions.  By definition I don't understand why my opinions are sh*tty as they are based upon my life experience.  If I thought they were sh*tty they would instantly change.

Squeeonline

If the gender pay-gap is real, then why aren't companies hiring only women to save 20% of their labour costs?

Maybe women take jobs that have different benefits that are not measured financially the same. More flexible working hours for example.

Whether jobs like primary teacher, or nurse should be valued more is a different debate.

I also firmly believe that if men were given more (or dare I say, equal) paternity leave, it would give women the choice to return to work earlier. But you try suggesting something that benefits men on the surface to give women the benefit. You'll be thrown out of whatever room you're in and branded a Mens right activist.

Believe it or not, equality means equal, not just for things that benefit women.

Kyle More

super_furry wrote: »

A child’s got more bones than a grown-up’s got.

A CHILD'S GOT MORE BONES THAN A GROWN UP'S GOT?

*click* *click* and that's a nat-ur-al law *click*

Huexotzingo

Mike Hoch wrote: »

By refusing to take a stand of violating the laws of the land?

It would seem the average student didn't know or didn't care who she was associated with. Didn't she survive the first impeachment vote due to a lac of interest?


The union is not a pro choice organisation. It's a student union. You might as well call the Irish Times a pro choice organisation instead of a newspaper.

Mind you, you're probably the type who thinks Domino's Pizza is a right wing Catholic advocacy group.

Lol, give it a rest. You lost the Referendum.

Undividual

Tec hnocentral wrote: »

It's not a left/right issue, a lot on the left are critical of Transgender agenda too.

I don't have any problems with Transgender people but I will not be using the pronoun 'They'.  I prefer Zee or Zur to 'they'.  My main problems with it (they) are:
1.  It makes it impossible to refer to a group of Trans people who identify as 'they'
2.  It makes it very difficult to follow a conversation.  In the newest season of Billions, one of the main characters identifies as 'they'.  One line goes something like this "If they think they've won, they've got another thing coming."  Just feels incredibly silly to use a word that already has a meaning and try to combine it with another with overlapping meaning.
3.  It feels slightly insensitive to people with multiple personalities

Mackmatic

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

I think most people agree with you on all your points but cant or don't want to be seen to be racist/bigoted/xenophobic/whatever and so toe the party line and disagree purely to be seen to be doing what everyone else claims to be the right thing but secretly believe the opposite.

I realize I'm trying to Ice skate uphill here... But here goes.

Let me ask you something.

I don't post here a whole lot, in fact the past few weeks have been my most active. I do read here quite a bit. These Racist/bigoted/xenophobic/whatever opinions you all seem to keep talking about is pretty common around here.

The idea that everyone feels the same and hates the gays and the blacks in private is just beyond stupid honestly. What the hell would I have to gain by telling you to shut up and just let people live. My social media isnt linked here, no one knows who I am, so what does anyone here telling you you're being a sap really gain?

Sometimes, only sometimes. When everyone in the room is telling you you're being an a55hiole? Chances are you're being an a55hole.

Even reading this very thread, there are more people complaining about either:

"I'm not allowed to have controversial opinions"
"My controversial opinions get shouted down around here, Its not fair"
Etc etc.

However, there's a very real quantifiable problem with this line of thinking. I see very little condemnation of these opinions. There is far more people saying these "bad opinions" then there is people shouting it down like you all keep claiming.

To turn this into some stupid political right vs left debate is disingenuous too. It's not. It's the simple fact that the world has changed. Society and culture advance and evolve over time. The fact is, the world is heading towards equality, inclusion and diversity whether you like it or not.

Hold up though.

Before you go smashing your keyboard and biting an immigrant because I said those 3 terrible words above, stop and think about this rationally for a second.

By holding on to these outdated beliefs about race/sex/gender whatever, you are being left behind. There will come a time where you will be seen as an absolute handbag for opposing something which seems so fair and logical.

As a straight white fella, these issues don't affect me at all really. But I'm not gonna stand in the way of other people getting some basic respect. Let people live man. If these issues don't affect you personally, maybe, just maybe you are not going to be able to understand them. Why stand in the way of progress?

Why be the one guy eating raw meat and not using fire to cook your food?
Why be the one guy still using horses to get around when you could get a little Fiesta or something?
Why be the guy buying video tapes on the internet?
Why be the guy still trying to use Irish Punts in the shops every day?

The world changes man. It seems damn near insane to me to think that things should stay the same forever. All these immigrants, gays, whatever really want to do is live a safe quiet happy life just like you. Are you really opposed to that? Politics aside, you're really gonna stop people from being happy and safe?

I'm not expecting you to do a 180 and tell me I'm right. In fact, I'm sure I'll get some snarky replies telling me I'm a lib or didn;t read or I'm whats wrong with Ireland today or a whatever. I'm not trying to change minds with this silly little rant. But if you even stop for one second and really think about why you feel the way you seem to think you do, you might realise that yes. You are in fact just being an a55hole.

Grayson

Undividual wrote: »

I don't know if I agree with that, but in any case, why specifically is that sad?

I don't understand why people who hold differing political opinions don't debate the issues.  It seems to me that people on the right are conveniently labelled as a way of avoiding dialogue. 

I put my thoughts in the OP and someone commented saying that it was a way of me looking for validation on my sh*tty opinions.  By definition I don't understand why my opinions are sh*tty as they are based upon my life experience.  If I thought they were sh*tty they would instantly change.

It's not a debate. It's them making claims, then they're disproved and they make another claim. There's never an admittance that they're wrong or learned something. And that's not including the serial reregs. (and before anyone says I'm labeling everyone I'm not. There are some I've have decent debates with but I'm sure we can all recognise that who these people are)

As for basing your opinions on your life experience, that's fine to an extent. You said you didn't like lesbians as much as gay men because of one lesbian. You're letting your entire view of everyone be determined by your experience of one person.

Undividual

Grayson wrote: »

It's not a debate. It's them making claims, then they're disproved and they make another claim. There's never an admittance that they're wrong or learned something. And that's not including the serial reregs. (and before anyone says I'm labeling everyone I'm not. There are some I've have decent debates with but I'm sure we can all recognise that who these people are)

As for basing your opinions on your life experience, that's fine to an extent. You said you didn't like lesbians as much as gay men because of one lesbian. You're letting your entire view of everyone be determined by your experience of one person.

I understand what you're saying and that there are a lot of people out there who don't want to challenge their own mindsets, though I'd like to think I'm not one of them.  I consider myself semi-intelligent and so I want to test my beliefs and thoughts against other peoples' to see if I am wrong.  I've been guilty in the past of gleaming facts from the internet and using them to try to one-up or hurt other people, something I'm not proud of.  Again, this goes back to wisdom following ignorance. 

To clarify, I'm not basing my views on one experience nor on one person, those were merely the most prominent examples in my mind at the time.  Also I appreciate the genuine response.

CowGoesMoo100

Donald Trump is doing a fine job

notobtuse

CowGoesMoo100 wrote: »

Donald Trump is doing a fine job

They'd find some way to get you gone here in Politics for that.... Oh, and I better add 'In My Opinion.'

B-D-P--

The first reply to most posts on boards are 1 liners from people who try to hard

WinnyThePoo

notobtuse wrote: »

They'd find some way to get you gone here in Politics for that.... Oh, and I better add 'In My Opinion.'

You got banned for pretending you didn't know what reddit is on the politics forum.

Undividual

Mackmatic wrote: »

Let me ask you something.

I don't post here a whole lot, in fact the past few weeks have been my most active. I do read here quite a bit. These Racist/bigoted/xenophobic/whatever opinions you all seem to keep talking about is pretty common around here.

Sometimes, only sometimes. When everyone in the room is telling you you're being an a55hiole? Chances are you're being an a55hole.


To turn this into some stupid political right vs left debate is disingenuous too. It's not. It's the simple fact that the world has changed. Society and culture advance and evolve over time. The fact is, the world is heading towards equality, inclusion and diversity whether you like it or not.

Hold up though.

Before you go smashing your keyboard and biting an immigrant because I said those 3 terrible words above, stop and think about this rationally for a second.

By holding on to these outdated beliefs about race/sex/gender whatever, you are being left behind. There will come a time where you will be seen as an absolute handbag for opposing something which seems so fair and logical.

As a straight white fella, these issues don't affect me at all really. But I'm not gonna stand in the way of other people getting some basic respect. Let people live man. If these issues don't affect you personally, maybe, just maybe you are not going to be able to understand them. Why stand in the way of progress?

I'm not expecting you to do a 180 and tell me I'm right. In fact, I'm sure I'll get some snarky replies telling me I'm a lib or didn;t read or I'm whats wrong with Ireland today or a whatever. I'm not trying to change minds with this silly little rant. But if you even stop for one second and really think about why you feel the way you seem to think you do, you might realise that yes. You are in fact just being an a55hole.

I probably butchered your quote, but just want to try address each of the highlighted points:
Racist/bigoted/xenophobic- I believe I am the opposite of all of these, to clarify.  I just want people to be held to a consistent standard.  I think it is negatively discriminatory to allow relatively high illiteracy among the travelling community than to ensure education of Irish citizens.  Although I said that I have these opinions, I doubt anyone would think this from how I act in real life.  I don't treat lesbians any differently from gay men.  I live my life with general civility and try not to mistreat anyone. 

The fact is, the world is heading towards equality, inclusion and diversity whether you like it or not. - I seriously doubt it.  I would love equality and diversity.  I'm not quite sure what inclusion means, but the thought of everyone being nice to everyone else all the time makes my skin crawl.  There is value in saying what no one wants to hear if its the truth.  Generally speaking, we are equal enough as a society, though I would like to see equal maternity/paternity leave and more women in physically demanding professions. 
Let people live man - Who isn't letting people live?  It seems to me that the unwritten rule of modern society is 'be nice/don't offend'.  While we are being nice, the world has the same problems it always has and we get softer as a society.  I saw a news report which said that testosterone in men has declined something like 30% in the last 40 years.  Why stand in the way of progress?  If that is progress, we are in trouble.
You are in fact just being an a55hole. - I understand why you might think this but in my view, people with such lofty world views hit the wall of reality eventually. 

notobtuse

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

notobtuse wrote: »

They'd find some way to get you gone here in Politics for that.... Oh, and I better add 'In My Opinion.'

You got banned for pretending you didn't know what reddit is on the politics forum.

I've heard of reddit, but didn't know what it was.

uptherebels

Mike Hoch wrote: »

By refusing to take a stand of violating the laws of the land?

It would seem the average student didn't know or didn't care who she was associated with. Didn't she survive the first impeachment vote due to a lac of interest?



The union is not a pro choice organisation. It's a student union. You might as well call the Irish Times a pro choice organisation instead of a newspaper.

Mind you, you're probably the type who thinks Domino's Pizza is a right wing Catholic advocacy group.

I'm sorry did the students vote twice?
Apologies let me rephrase - pro choice leaning organisation.
Law of the land? When were previous presidents prosecuted?
Conveniently as far as I'm aware she never made public the legal advice she received.... I wonder why!!
She could have stepped down, but then wouldn't have been able to play the victim card,
As you seem so well informed on the issue I'm sure you are aware of the attempts at interfering with the pro choice stance of the union
I don't eat dominos and don't have any idea of their religious affiliations

mariaalice

To me a lot of this is like being a cynic with insight they cant enjoy being a cynic because they know their thinking is faulty not based on objective reality.

It is the same with so-called unacceptable opinions in order to truly believed them, they would need to disregard objective reality and stick with their reactive emotionally based opinions.

Undividual

mariaalice wrote: »

It is the same with so called unaccecptable opnions in order to truley belived them, they would need to disregard objective reality and stick with their reactive emotionialy based opnions.

What if the unacceptable opinion is informed by objective reality?  I have discussed the problems I would see with the travelling community (dropping out of school, dumping, using other peoples' skips) with friends privately and they mostly agreed.  I cant imagine reading a newspaper article about any of these.

fussyonion

Women are sh*te drivers.
(I am a woman but I don't class myself as sh*te)

Feminists are just gobby and contraversial for the sake of it.

Four finger KitKats taste better than two fingered ones.

wakka12

Well I must say opinion 1 and 2 are probably the majority opinion on boards, its really said over and over again and ironically everyone syaing it says that opinion is not regarded as acceptable

And outside of boards Id agree generally the opinion on muslims is not that socially acceptable (though anti muslim sentiment is prevalent throughout much of wider society)
But as for travellers, they really are not treated well by any section of society, prejudice is extremely common, whether its warranted or not is another discussion ofc the travelling community are no angels but to say wider society accepts actions of the community and treats them well is not true at all

mariaalice

Undividual wrote: »

What if the unacceptable opinion is informed by objective reality?  I have discussed the problems I would see with the travelling community (dropping out of school, dumping, using other peoples' skips) with friends privately and they mostly agreed.  I cant imagine reading a newspaper article about any of these.

objective reality and facts are just that they are not opinions.

A good example if someone has xenophobic opinions about Syrian refugees that is more an emotional reaction to immigration than based on any reality having not met any actual Syrians.

So low a behold they meed a Syrian refugee and he is just like themselves an educated, English speaking Netflix watching, football fan wearing shorts a t-shirt and flip-flops, who tells them it was join the army and shoot your neighbor's or be shot themselves.

Or bizarre attitudes to woman one...It occurs to them that were born from a woman their mother, sisters, daughters, girlfriends are women, however, it's not those women they have a problem with its those other vaguely defined women they have an issue with a sort of nameless dread of something out there. Its not objective reality its existential angst.

Shenshen

Undividual wrote: »

What if the unacceptable opinion is informed by objective reality?  I have discussed the problems I would see with the travelling community (dropping out of school, dumping, using other peoples' skips) with friends privately and they mostly agreed.  I cant imagine reading a newspaper article about any of these.

I think (mostly) people can still agree on reality. I wouldn't expect anyone opening a thread on AH for example to meet any challenges when stating that currently, aspects of traveller culture have a significant negative influence on a number of members of the community.

The discussion to be had here is more around how to address the situation. That's where opinions come in. And you generally will get some very fast-typing posters declaring that they should all be a) imprisoned, b) deported or c) killed, while there will be many others trying to put forward some more social, workable, but long-term and costly approaches.

And any mod stepping in to this will inevitably end up being accused of being too left-leaning and liberal for banning the guys calling for travellers to be killed, but not the guys suggesting ways to give them better access to education.

Mutant z

In reality what most people think is not acceptable to the PC brigade for instance very few would agree with them on immigration the majority of the public want tighter controls on immigration but you don't get that impression from listening to the media. Likewise with gender or feminist issues only those on the extreme fringes care about that sort of stuff everyone else doesn't give a stuff. The virtue signallers may be a majority in the media but they are a minority among the general public who are simply pissed off by their antics.

Undividual

mariaalice wrote: »

Undividual wrote: »

What if the unacceptable opinion is informed by objective reality?  I have discussed the problems I would see with the travelling community (dropping out of school, dumping, using other peoples' skips) with friends privately and they mostly agreed.  I cant imagine reading a newspaper article about any of these.

objective reality and facts are just that they are not opinions.

A good example if someone has xenophobic opinions about Syrian refugees that is more an emotional reaction to immigration than based on any reality having not met any actual Syrians.

So low a behold they meed a Syrian refugee and he is just like themselves an educated, English speaking Netflix watching, football fan wearing shorts a t-shirt and flip-flops, who tells them it was join the army and shoot your neighbor's or be shot themselves.

Or bizarre attitudes to woman one...It occurs to them that were born from a woman their mother, sisters, daughters, girlfriends are women, however, it's not those women they have a problem with its those other vaguely defined women they have an issue with a sort of nameless dread of something out there. Its not objective reality its existential angst.

I'm not sure whether you're ascribing those views to me.  Would you agree that an opinion can never be fully informed by facts?  It is impossible to know all aspects of a scenario and facts are open to interpretation and misunderstanding.  The earth was flat for most of human history. 

To clarify, I would include my mother and sister under the category of unrealistic expectations and over dependence on others.

Hotblack Desiato

Undividual wrote: »

I consider myself semi-intelligent

We should have a poll to see how many posters agree with you on this :pac: (I know what you meant, I'm just joking!)