Publicly unacceptable opinions

Franz Von Peppercorn

Supergurrier wrote: »

Only property or land owning people in gainful employment should have the right to vote.

If you don't have a vested interest in the governance of the country or something to lose then you shouldn't have a voice in the outcome.

It's become very clear as of late party's are buying the unemployed vote/people seeking citizenship to go on social welfare vote.

Unpopular perhaps but I think as it is currently is unsustainable and leading us down a dead end.

Property owning? Get outta that. Plenty of hard working renters. A property owning “democracy” is an oligarchy.


And what about the recently unemployed or pensioned?

PlaneSpeeking

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Property owning? Get outta that. Plenty of hard working renters. A property owning “democracy” is an oligarchy.


And what about the recently unemployed or pensioned?

Yeah here's one - what is being suggested by laddo there ? That I can't vote cos I down own property ???

Jaysus!

weldoninhio

Try_harder wrote: »

Oh youre so risque and edgy... yawn

They beat the 7th, 10th and 11th ranked teams, while ranked 16th themselves.

Going by last season in the Prem Lge that would be Huddersfield beating Newcastle, Palace and Burnley ffs.

PlaneSpeeking

weldoninhio wrote: »

They beat the 7th, 10th and 11th ranked teams, while ranked 16th themselves.

Going by last season in the Prem Lge that would be Huddersfield beating Newcastle, Palace and Burnley ffs.

Except it wouldn't.

AndrewJRenko

weldoninhio wrote: »

The women's hockey team got destroyed in the biggest match any of them will ever play in, but they celebrated like they'd won the thing.

Does any country celebrate failure like Ireland??

Have you gotten destroyed in many world cup finals yourself?

Supergurrier wrote: »

Only property or land owning people in gainful employment should have the right to vote.

If you don't have a vested interest in the governance of the country or something to lose then you shouldn't have a voice in the outcome.

It's become very clear as of late party's are buying the unemployed vote/people seeking citizenship to go on social welfare vote.

Unpopular perhaps but I think as it is currently is unsustainable and leading us down a dead end.

So we should lose the vote at 68 or whatever age we all retire at then?

Undividual

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Undividual wrote: »

To what end? 

I understand the negative sentiment towards the Catholic church, but some churches are beautiful buildings.  Although the religion itself seems to be dying in Ireland, perhaps they should be kept as a reminder of the dangers of blind faith.

In Dublin at least, knock most of 'em down for public housing. The land is valuable, the woo ceremonies to a half dozen midweek attendees are not, and they could go elsewhere anyway.

Plough up every golf course in Dublin for public housing, while you're at it. Full of old self-entitled farts who spend their days worrying about people wearing the wrong type of trousers while half arsedly hitting a ball around. Pathetic. It's dying off at a slower rate than the RCC but it's still dying off, and I shall not weep for either.

So could someone decide that football stadiums, cinemas or restaurants are redundant also?  What gives anyone the right to tell someone else what should be done with their property?  If the government wants to pursue the Catholic Church legally (which I would doubt they want to, given their own complicity) and sue for Church land, that's fair enough. 

The idea of just walking in and re-appropriating or destroying property however is socialism/communism, neither of which are moral.

Undividual

To clarify, I mean pay tax through work.

jimgoose

Wear sunscreen.

PlaneSpeeking

That kids are a pain in the hoop and parents are insufferable.

Undividual

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

That kids are a pain in the hoop and parents are insufferable.

That most parents just tick the boxes and want as little responsibility as possible.

Edgware

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

That kids are a pain in the hoop and parents are insufferable.

How dare you say that about my Fiachra? He happens to be in the Paelestrina choir and a very good clarinet player

PlaneSpeeking

Edgware wrote: »

How dare you say that about my Fiachra? He happens to be in the Paelestrina choir and a very good clarinet player

:D:D

Undividual

Edgware wrote: »

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

That kids are a pain in the hoop and parents are insufferable.

How dare you say that about my Fiachra? He happens to be in the Paelestrina choir and a very good clarinet player

We were going to put Hudson in crèche, but then we thought that we could sniff that money instead.

PlaneSpeeking

Undividual wrote: »

We were going to put Hudson in crèche, but then we thought that we could sniff that money instead.

Darcie-Mai and Ella-Rae don't like him anyway!

CowGoesMoo100

Disability Allowance is a joke. I don't mean for people who have actual disabilities but I'm talking about those who collect it because they have mild epilepsy or ADHD or some other bull**** "disability".

PlaneSpeeking

CowGoesMoo100 wrote: »

Disability Allowance is a joke. I don't mean for people who have actual disabilities but I'm talking about those who collect it because they have mild epilepsy or ADHD or some other bull**** "disability".

Never understood why a disabled car in the Motability scheme in the UK covers epilepsy.

My uncle had a seizure driving and crashed, once diagnosed his licence was pulled. I thought that the norm ?

Wanderer78

CowGoesMoo100 wrote:

Disability Allowance is a joke. I don't mean for people who have actual disabilities but I'm talking about those who collect it because they have mild epilepsy or ADHD or some other bull**** "disability".

Have you actually ever lived with such issues? There's a reason why some are called 'hidden disabilities'!

PlaneSpeeking

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Have you actually ever lived with such issues? There's a reason why some are called 'hidden disabilities'!

I'd say they should be on a case by case basis - I've students I look after with autism and ADD/ADHD and they prefer parking on a higher level away from the crowds - parking next door would not be for them.

Yet there are others who will need to be next door.

Absolutely some emotional and psychological conditions should be covered.

JeffKenna

Unacceptable opinion: Liam Miller died with €14m in his estate. I think there are far better causes to be hosting a funding raising match for. His family aren't exactly on the breadline.

PlaneSpeeking

JeffKenna wrote: »

Unacceptable opinion: Liam Miller died with €14m in his estate. I think there are far better causes to be hosting a funding raising match for. His family aren't exactly on the breadline.

Proof ? Plus it's partly a tribute and most is going to the hospice who cared for him.

CowGoesMoo100

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Have you actually ever lived with such issues? There's a reason why some are called 'hidden disabilities'!

I just think the term "disability" is being watered down hugely. I'd like to think that each case or claim is analysed on its individual merits but I'm struggling to see this. I know people on DA and they are literally taking the piss. 200 quid a week in their hand on top of their regular jobs. So they're able to work no problem but are still somehow in need of a hand-out at the same time? How does that work?

PlaneSpeeking

CowGoesMoo100 wrote: »

I just think the term "disability" is being watered down hugely. I'd like to think that each case or claim is analysed on its individual merits but I'm struggling to see this. I know people on DA and they are literally taking the piss. 200 quid a week in their hand on top of their regular jobs. So they're able to work no problem but are still somehow in need of a hand-out at the same time? How does that work?

Despite what I said earlier you have a limited point - being overweight is classed as a disability in the UK (I can't say I've heard of cases here) and as a big girl myself I find it abhorrent that others consider this a reason not to work.

Sardonicat

Parents who allow unsupervised access to the Internet in any format to kids under 16 are guilty of neglect.

Kids being cyber bullied/are cyber bullying? Take the fugging phones off them! How hard is it like?

CowGoesMoo100

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Despite what I said earlier you have a limited point - being overweight is classed as a disability in the UK (I can't say I've heard of cases here) and as a big girl myself I find it abhorrent that others consider this a reason not to work.

Well the cases I'm referring to are most certainly not people claiming because of being overweight but other ridiculous reasons. This may be a short-sighted view but if you're collecting a full time wage you should not be entitled to DA. You've proved that you aren't reliant on DA by working full time. It serves no purpose. Only those who literally are incapable of working should be entitled to it. Enabling people only results in more laziness and scrounging.

sbsquarepants

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Yes, grossly unfair. Imagine doing that somebody. She took three off him.

He spent his whole life working for those belts, long before he met her.


Why would she want them anyway. They're replicas and only of value to him. What a spiteful weirdo.

Shítty spitefull weirdo alright, but as you say they are only replicas - surely he can just get more made!

While were on the subject - he was a fantastic fighter!

Supergurrier wrote: »

Only property or land owning people in gainful employment should have the right to vote..

Ridiculous. Basically a throwback to a ruling class of landed gentry. How dare a lowly peasant expect a say in their countries affairs!

Supergurrier wrote: »

If you don't have a vested interest in the governance of the country or something to lose then you shouldn't have a voice in the outcome..

Living in the country long term gives you a vested interest in it's governance.

Supergurrier wrote: »

It's become very clear as of late party's are buying the unemployed vote/people seeking citizenship to go on social welfare vote..

I'm kind of with you on this one - there are increasing numbers of politicians running on "A vote for me, means you won't have to pay for....." platforms.
But that's democracy for you - the country ends up with the government it deserves, vote in enough idiots and you can't complain when they do stupid things!


My own publicly unacceptable opinion is that most national / racial stereotypes are reasonably accurate. There are of course always exceptions - but as a rule of thumb they are a damn good starting point.

Also that people need to accept responsibility for their actions. You are always to blame for the things you do. You weren't led astray, coerced, fell in with a bad crowd, had a tough life, too drunk to know better or any of the bullshít excuses people come up with, usually when you've been caught doing something you know damn well you shouldn't have been doing! You done it - your fault end of story!

super_furry

JeffKenna wrote: »

Unacceptable opinion: Liam Miller died with €14m in his estate. I think there are far better causes to be hosting a funding raising match for. His family aren't exactly on the breadline.

That's absolute bulls**t. Not sure if you're just spitefully making that up or where you're pulling that €14m from, but you could not be further from the truth.

JeffKenna

super_furry wrote: »

That's absolute bulls**t. Not sure if you're just spitefully making that up or where you're pulling that €14m from, but you could not be further from the truth.

Just used a tool called google which shows a few different sources stating the €14m. I'm not sure why you would claim the €14m couldn't be further from the truth, he signed on a Bosman in 2004...rumored to have got a substantial signing on fee and was on £25,000 a week thereafter.

PlaneSpeeking

JeffKenna wrote: »

Just used a tool called google which shows a few different sources stating the €14m. I'm not sure why you would claim the €14m couldn't be further from the truth, he signed on a Bosman in 2004...rumored to have got a substantial signing on fee and was on £25,000 a week thereafter.

Either share with the class or withdraw. Poisonous attitude that.

I'm calling bollocks on that - the only "link" is a pathetic click bait article "10 Irish Celebs Whose Net Worth Will Shock You!"

Try Wikipedia - and see who he played for, not exactly hundreds and hundreds of games at the top level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_Miller#Career_Statistics

Definitely calling ****e on that figure.

super_furry

JeffKenna wrote: »

Just used a tool called google which shows a few different sources stating the €14m. I'm not sure why you would claim the €14m couldn't be further from the truth, he signed on a Bosman in 2004...rumored to have got a substantial signing on fee and was on £25,000 a week thereafter.

I'm claiming it because I know the facts of the situation, why the game is being played, why it was so important to ensure as big an attendance as possible and because I'm not making up ****e like he "died with €14m in his estate" because of a 'rumoured' transfer deal made 14 years ago.

CowGoesMoo100

JeffKenna wrote: »

Just used a tool called google which shows a few different sources stating the €14m. I'm not sure why you would claim the €14m couldn't be further from the truth, he signed on a Bosman in 2004...rumored to have got a substantial signing on fee and was on £25,000 a week thereafter.

Hibernian, Cork City and a bunch of Australian clubs. No way was he even close to being on 25k a week at any of those clubs and that's practically half his career.

ohnonotgmail

JeffKenna wrote: »

Just used a tool called google which shows a few different sources stating the €14m. I'm not sure why you would claim the €14m couldn't be further from the truth, he signed on a Bosman in 2004...rumored to have got a substantial signing on fee and was on £25,000 a week thereafter.

and he would have earned nothing like that after he left sunderland. I doubt he even earned 14M in his career never mind left that in his will.

dr.fuzzenstein

manonboard wrote: »

Its a very odd view to think things would be better or not without religion.

Religion WAS the creation of man trying to understand the world and make sense of it. It was/is a means of tribalism and control. It still offers purpose to people.

It makes no sense at all to think of man in the past without religion as it was the expression of his curiosity, logic, observations, culture, history.

It would be like saying emotion is the cause of most violence and we'd be better off without it. Its an integral part of our species especially in the past.

We have many things in our current culture that act like religion that have different names. Our beliefs have moved on to things more proven in science, yet the approach we take to many components of those findings are the same approaches that created religion.

Curiosity, logic and observation have absolutely no place in religion.
Ask Galileo, he knows a thing or two about it.

PlaneSpeeking

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and he would have earned nothing like that after he left sunderland. I doubt he even earned 14M in his career never mind left that in his will.

Unless the poster is his account or executor - not giving that crap the time of day.

JeffKenna

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Either share with the class or withdraw. Poisonous attitude that.

What's poisonous about it?

So...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2370917/Bold-United-wrest-Miller-from-Celtic.html

This was in 2004. He's starting with United on £25,000 a week. Keane Signed him for Sunderland in 2006 so he actually probably went up in wages. Being conservative that's five years at £1.3m straight away. This excludes a signing on bonus for both United and Sunderland and converting it back into euro (being super generous at todays rate) brings you to half the 14m straight away.


https://www.idolnetworth.com/liam-miller-net-worth-164085

Could you withdraw your poisonous comment please?

super_furry

JeffKenna wrote: »

What's poisonous about it?

So...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2370917/Bold-United-wrest-Miller-from-Celtic.html

This was in 2004. He's starting with United on £25,000 a week. Keane Signed him for Sunderland in 2006 so he actually probably went up in wages. Being conservative that's five years at £1.3m straight away. This excludes a signing on bonus for both United and Sunderland and converting it back into euro (being super generous at todays rate) brings you to half the 14m straight away.


https://www.idolnetworth.com/liam-miller-net-worth-164085

Could you withdraw your poisonous comment please?

You're pathetic and you just need to stop now.

PlaneSpeeking

JeffKenna wrote: »

What's poisonous about it?

So...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2370917/Bold-United-wrest-Miller-from-Celtic.html

This was in 2004. He's starting with United on £25,000 a week. Keane Signed him for Sunderland in 2006 so he actually probably went up in wages. Being conservative that's five years at £1.3m straight away. This excludes a signing on bonus for both United and Sunderland and converting it back into euro (being super generous at todays rate) brings you to half the 14m straight away.


https://www.idolnetworth.com/liam-miller-net-worth-164085

Could you withdraw your poisonous comment please?

No. You assume those figure are accurate; you assume he didn't spend any; you've no idea what his treatment in the US cost.

Not withdrawing an honest thought. You've an agenda but I can't figure out what - yet.

EDIT - that website is a complete joke! Scarlet for you using it as "proof".

JeffKenna

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

No. You assume those figure are accurate; you assume he didn't spend any; you've no idea what his treatment in the US cost.

Not withdrawing an honest thought. You've an agenda but I can't figure out what - yet.

Seems like you're assuming a lot as well, with no actual basis may I say.

I've no agenda what so ever. People die every day of the week in Marymount. Probably one of the best and most underfunded services in the country. That's where I'll be making my donation to.

JeffKenna

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

EDIT - that website is a complete joke! Scarlet for you using it as "proof".

The Daily Telegraph? List your source there...

PlaneSpeeking

JeffKenna wrote: »

The Daily Telegraph? List your source there...

The website, the second one.

The Telegraph is a newspaper.

I repeat if you are his accountant at time of demise, executor of the will or other professional and happy to breach professional ethics and GDPR to divulge the figure - that's one thing.

You are not though and just mocking people wanting to pay tribute to someone they admired and help his children.

JeffKenna

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

The website, the second one.

The Telegraph is a newspaper.

I repeat if you are his accountant at time of demise, executor of the will or other professional and happy to breach professional ethics and GDPR to divulge the figure - that's one thing.

You are not though and just mocking people wanting to pay tribute to someone they admired and help his children.

How am I mocking people? I clearly stated that my publically unacceptable opinion was that I don't support having a fundraising match for an individual who died with a substantial amount of money to his name. If this game was a tribute match with all the proceeds going to charity then that would be a very different matter.

PlaneSpeeking

JeffKenna wrote: »

How am I mocking people? I clearly stated that my publically unacceptable opinion was that I don't support having a fundraising match for an individual who died with a substantial amount of money to his name with possibly some money but I really have zero idea. If this game was a tribute match with all the proceeds going to charity then that would be a very different matter.

Fixed that there.

Done with you now, life is too short to waste.

JeffKenna

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Fixed that there.

Done with you now, life is too short to waste I've lost my argument

ohnonotgmail

JeffKenna wrote: »

What's poisonous about it?

So...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2370917/Bold-United-wrest-Miller-from-Celtic.html

This was in 2004. He's starting with United on £25,000 a week. Keane Signed him for Sunderland in 2006 so he actually probably went up in wages. Being conservative that's five years at £1.3m straight away. This excludes a signing on bonus for both United and Sunderland and converting it back into euro (being super generous at todays rate) brings you to half the 14m straight away.


https://www.idolnetworth.com/liam-miller-net-worth-164085

Could you withdraw your poisonous comment please?

Even if we accept those figures at face value that leaves him at 7M by the time he leaves sunderland. The rest of his career was spent in much smaller clubs in smaller leagues that dont pay anything close to that. Where is the other 7M coming from? And of course you have to subtract what he spent during his career. How does that leave him with 14M at the end?

valoren

CowGoesMoo100 wrote: »

Hibernian, Cork City and a bunch of Australian clubs. No way was he even close to being on 25k a week at any of those clubs and that's practically half his career.

Don't forget even if it was £25k per week then that would have been the Gross amount. The tax would have been between 40-50% on the £25k per week as well. So if I signed a 3 year contract on £25k per week, I come out with £1.95 million after tax. Modest enough wage for top tier football.

PlaneSpeeking

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Even if we accept those figures at face value that leaves him at 7M by the time he leaves sunderland. The rest of his career was spent in much smaller clubs in smaller leagues that dont pay anything close to that. Where is the other 7M coming from? And of course you have to subtract what he spent during his career. How does that leave him with 14M at the end?

Interesting to note what the cancer treatment cost in the US but that is no one's darned business!

ohnonotgmail

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Interesting to note what the cancer treatment cost in the US but that is no one's darned business!

I think the only answer to that is "a lot".

Hotblack Desiato

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Pure sarcasm at the expense of those comparing my faith to a scam like Scientology.

There's really very little difference.

Undividual wrote: »

So could someone decide that football stadiums, cinemas or restaurants are redundant also?

If they're not making efficient use of the site they're on, then yes.

But playing football, going to the cinema or eating out use far less land and are not activities which are dying on their arse.

Heavy property taxes are needed to ensure that properties in important urban locations are used efficiently, or else sold to someone else who will. This is what they do in that bastion of communism, the USA.

What gives anyone the right to tell someone else what should be done with their property?

According to the constitution, private property can be seized in the interests of the common good on payment of compensation. Prime development sites in Dublin city are far too important to be wasted on a few old duffers hitting golf balls around.

If the government wants to pursue the Catholic Church legally (which I would doubt they want to, given their own complicity) and sue for Church land, that's fair enough.

They should, but it'll never happen, just enforcing the ridiculously lenient compensation agreements the RCC signed up to seems to be beyond the will of politicians.

PlaneSpeeking

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I think the only answer to that is "a lot".

Read a story once about a holidaymaker having her baby arrive prematurely and for the birth and two weeks' hospital care it was near as damnit 300,000 dollars.

Mental that.

dr.fuzzenstein

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Read a story once about a holidaymaker having her baby arrive prematurely and for the birth and two weeks' hospital care it was near as damnit 300,000 dollars.

Mental that.

The US is fcuked in the head anyway.
Social welfare, healthcare, education and infrastructure for everyone funded by tax dollars is not only unpopular, it is vehemently and passionately hated and despised as an idea.
The thinking is, all the opportunities are there, the American dream, from dishwasher to millionaire, yadda, yadda, so if you need money, work hard, get rich and you can have everything you want.
And if you don't, you're lazy and stupid and don't deserve any help.

Trigger Happy

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Read a story once about a holidaymaker having her baby arrive prematurely and for the birth and two weeks' hospital care it was near as damnit 300,000 dollars.

Mental that.

Dumbest thing anyone could do would be to travel to the states with no travel insurance. Squinting at a hospital would cost ya.