Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** POSSIBLE SPOILERS **]

Evade

Yeah, the JJ verse has them but the main timeline didn't really until now, Picard wasn't even sure what the were called in the Big Goodbye. Just another instance of lack of imagination or care I suppose.

pixelburp

Eh, I dunno. I doubt the marketing and design company/department used would have been given enough of a brief on "Star Trek", or enough time TBH, to fashion something conceptually appropriate. From my (very) brief time working in the hellscape known as marketing design, the team were probably given a brief, and about 3 hours to come up with something for publicity. The account manager probably shot down about a half dozen variants, they OK'ed the highway design 'cos it looked cool, and out it went. Plenty to hang Kurtzman over, but I"d not hold him or anyone in his radius to account for that kind of thig.

Evade

Not giving a department adequate time to do their job well is a lack of care about what you're making. It's not like whoever makes the promotional image has to wait on any of the rest of the production to do their job.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117852673#Comment_117852673

Welcome to marketing design departments; the adage that you have to pick two from it being good, fast or cheap doesn't apply here, and I'd not assume that the production team have any visibility or say in the marketing material made by (likely) an outsourced company. Marketing is its own entity these days in Hollywood. I'm not saying it's not sloppy, but this wouldn't be the first time a piece of promotional artwork failed to capture the tone of a final product. It's not unique to Trek.

pixelburp

A full trailer is out; and guys - it looks like it's going full The Voyage Home.

https://youtu.be/xkEC1FIGqXQ

Agent Coulson

Great to see Orla Brady is back for season 2.

FutureGuy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117866457#Comment_117866457

Yeah she is great. Seems to have more of a role this season too.

Greyjoy

Trailer left me kinda underwhelmed. I'm getting more of a Voyager "Future's End" rather than "ST IV Voyage Home" feel from this and I can't quite determine why. I think the time travel aspect, especially to a 21st Century setting, is a very lazy money saving ploy. For me the most interesting aspect of Picard is seeing how the characters & Federation have fared in the future beyond the tv series. This just dumps all that potential for a time travel story.

TheValeyard

Cars in Star Trek?

Ah wait, 21st century.

Drexel_3

I gotta say I enjoyed the first season and that trailer has me excited about season two now!

Reminds me of the voyager episode where they went back in time to LA

StevenToast

Can Q go back in time and stop this dogsh1t from ever being made...also while hes at it make sure Discovery never sees the light of day....

Evade

I have to be honest, I never liked the time travel to the current time to save the whales plot in the Voyage Home and this looks worse. If they at least make the choice between the Dark Federation and the one we know a hard one like if the DF is secure from all outside threats in exchange for a lack of personal freedom there could be an interesting Yesterday's Enterprise type dilemma but I think that's asking too much of the current staff.

Slydice

Looking forward to this. The trapped Borg Queen shot was cool!

TheValeyard

So, would a Dark Federation have allied with the Romulans rather than Vulcan?

Evade

It looks like they're leaning more towards Human a supremacist state like the Terran Empire in Enterprise. Given the timeframe it looks like the change could be altering how or even if the events of WWIII unfold.

Depending on the exact date Picard an co. travel back to there could be 3 other Starfleet officers running around San Francisco at that time

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117869688#Comment_117869688

Three that we know of....

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117866746#Comment_117866746

Enterprise E and the Cerritos both had buggies.

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117869912#Comment_117869912

Why not a hover buggy? I never understood that scene. Unless the planet had some magic anti hover mode minerals

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117869992#Comment_117869992

It's weird alright. It can't even have been about budget because there's a very similar sequence later on in a hovering vehicle. A throw away line would have done a lot to justify it, it's not like Starfleet hasn't ever looked back to solve technical issues, the TR-116 being a prime example.

That looks real bad.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117869992#Comment_117869992

IIRC the buggy was Patrick Stewart's own idea, who wanted to muck about with a dune buggy and had it worked into the script as a set piece. Given nemesis's director had never watched Trek before, it was probably an easy sell and got no pushback over the contradiction of character.

That story alone has told me that the actors themselves are often the worst people to be gatekeepers for fictional characters.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117866745#Comment_117866745

Move futuristic scifi series to contemporary Earth to 'save the future' \ 'save the budget'

*Flashbacks to Galactica 1980*

pixelburp

Oh it's 100% a budget thing. But you know, that's not necessarily a bad thing either. Runaway budgets can often mean no self-reflection or examination in the writer's room. Being forced to focus on the characters might bring some much-needed structure to the show.

I'm the eternal optimist, I know 😁

Evade

Is it cheaper though? There's a lot of location shots in the trailer.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871199#Comment_117871199

On balance, I'd say so. Location shooting is only as expensive as the tax credits on offer there: otherwise, there are is no need for custom set dressing; the myriad of costumes for the extra; all CGI to fix background detail; and so on. Even episodic shows like TNG, predominantly taking place in the same 4, 5 sets would have still incurred more cost for all those once-off costumes, sets and FX.

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117869992#Comment_117869992

My logic would be, why waste energy fighting the planet's gravity if you don't have to.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871355#Comment_117871355

Starfleet use hover technology for almost eveything else. If they were worried about wasting energy why spend energy making an artificial gravity field on a ship/station then more energy on an anti gravity trolley? Without roads or set paths hovering gets around a lot of obstacles too.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117871530#Comment_117871530

I guess you might have some situations where the anti-grav tech couldn't be counted on, and having a wheeled car might be needed.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117872024#Comment_117872024

You might but the hovering shuttle near the end of the sequence kind of ruled that out in that case.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117872107#Comment_117872107

Ye that whole scene did not make any sense. I think they just done it because they thought it would be cool and young me did think it was cool. Maybe Patrick Stewart did not think the director would take what he said seriously bit as soon as the director heard it he said ye let's go for that it would be coolvespwcially with him having no Star Trek experience or knowledge.

AMKC

I only just looked at the trailer on You-Tube today and all I can say is I like it. Yes it might be a way of saving money but I look forward too seeing what they do and how they do it and we have Patrick Stewart, John De Lancie and the Borg Queen all in one show. What more could you ask for. I for one am looking forward to season 2 of Picard.

jakiah

So they are introducing a fascist Federation and having the cast travel back to the 21st century? This can only mean one thing - they want to enable their diverse writing team of non-star trek fans to tackle their favourite subject - woke politics. None of your pesky utopian Roddenberry stuff required.

Think ill give it a miss.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117883924#Comment_117883924

Not this nonsense again. Roddenberry created a socially progressive Utopia. TOS had the first ever mixed race kiss on TV. TNG was full of social commentary.

If Star Trek isn’t woke, nothing is.

jakiah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886386#Comment_117886386

Woke isnt progressive, its regressive. The politics of the victim, with Picard flagellating himself for the crime of being a successful white male, all set against a fascist dystopia. This isnt Star Trek.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886413#Comment_117886413

Ah give over with this.

It’s a thread about Star Trek not Jordan Peterson.

Stark

"and still too many wimmin in modern Trek.

PS: I am not a virgin"

Sad Professor

Keep it friendly please folks and enough of the culture war stuff, thanks.

Sad Professor

I am throughly underwhelmed by that trailer. They seem to be doubling down on everything I disliked about the first season (pretty much everything). Once again they are actively avoiding the continuity while sprinkling in references to the half a dozen episodes of the show they watched. It makes me sad that they wasted the opportunity to give Picard and the TNG crew one last adventure together. Like Discovery I think I am done with this show.

odyssey06

I thought Enterprise already battled Space Nazis to save the future...

TomSweeney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886822#Comment_117886822

Question, do you think it will be a realistic portrait of the 24th century that EVERY top scientist , leader, admiral etc is a woman ?

I mean, It's the 24th utopian century sure, but wouldn't a closer 50/50 model be more accurate ?

It seems they are trying to make up for past sexism in the show with sexism in the other direction ...

Also would the Picard we know from TNG allow himself to be spoken to like that ?

To be cursed at and told to "Shut the f*ck up" ?

Would he just meekly accept it like this new 'modern' Picard does ?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887053#Comment_117887053

They aren’t.

jakiah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887053#Comment_117887053

Its impossible to believe its the same character. At least with Discovery you can ignore the show, this series has ruined one of the best loved characters in ST. Awful stuff.

pixelburp

Id ask maybe people wait til the show airs before judging it but it's also obvious some have decided their bias.

In more fun news, the show runner shared Picard's food choices from his replicator: minus points for "french fries" which IIRC in France are just called "frites" (fries lol)

https://mobile.twitter.com/TerryMatalas/status/1433845136165728258

jakiah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888483#Comment_117888483

The first season already aired. They turned one of the greatest heroes of the ST universe into a doddery old gobshite whose sole purpose appears to be harangued and abused by appallingly written, obnoxious angry women. For what? Its pathetic.

RedLetterMedia cover it perfectly here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfQdf93e63I&t=1065s

TomSweeney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117889236#Comment_117889236

Critical drinker did a great video on it too, on your other post about it ruining a character - TNG is still all there untouched, I still give it the odd rewatch and treat this show like it doesn't exist.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117889839#Comment_117889839

Critical Drinker? The man is a gimp. He churns out lowest common denominator anti PC/anti woke videos that people lap up.

Evade

Drinker's videos are usually pretty good.

jakiah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117889839#Comment_117889839

I was on S05 of a TNG watch-through when this dross came out, dropped it and haven't gone back. They really destroyed the character in this. Sheer **** hubris indeed.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117890523#Comment_117890523

Any of the videos of ever seen are him ranting about how SJWs are ruining films. Ridiculous stuff.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117891379#Comment_117891379

I can't remember him using that phrase.