Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** POSSIBLE SPOILERS **]

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117891395#Comment_117891395

He is smart enough to avoid the actual cliches, but the message is the same.

I may be wrong though, I haven’t watched all of his videos.

Evade

The message is usually most Hollywood films are pretty bad these days, that's not exactly controversial.

pixelburp

Ah lads. The forum was doing so well lately. So much fun chat, now this whiny shíte again.

FFVII

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117891468#Comment_117891468

saw a load of posts and scrolled right through it all, came out the other end of the shawshank pipe sh1te free.

TheValeyard

It's always Nazis

When's the last time we had Soviets?

They must be due a comeback.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117892297#Comment_117892297

Because Fascists are almost universally considered bad, Soviets are not unfortunately.

jakiah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117891468#Comment_117891468

Do you want to put up a list of topics we are allowed to discuss as not to upset you?

The bullshit writing in this show destroyed Picard, its cringeworthy watching for those of use who enjoyed the original version of the character.

Hector Savage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117891379#Comment_117891379

He actually gives good analysis on why series/tv shows lately are bad, and not just SJW stuff, check out his video on The Predator (2018) and how it's so terrible ...

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895117#Comment_117895117

I know it’s terrible already. I really struggle to listen to him.

Sad Professor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117891468#Comment_117891468

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894234#Comment_117894234

Guys, cool it down please.

pixelburp

Production has halted for this: Seasons 2 and 3 were being filmed back-to-back at the time of the shutdown.

https://deadline.com/2022/01/star-trek-picard-pauses-production-dozens-test-positive-covid-patrick-stewart-not-among-them-1234905664/

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432612#Comment_118432612

I guess they need to be extra careful with Patrick Steward being in such a risk category, his chances of recovering from Covid are a good deal less than many there.

Brent Spiner is mentioned in the cast? Interesting...I wonder if he's continuing as Soogn Jr, or as some alternate reality Data? (since this show appears to be going that way)

Stark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432646#Comment_118432646

From what I've heard, Brent Spiner is playing Altan Soong again.

FGR

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432907#Comment_118432907

Call me one of the whiners but I did not like this character.

A character that really was pulled out of no where considering that it was often considered that Data, Lore etc were Dr Soong's children as it believed he had no children of his own.

Was it to appease Brent Spiner who didn't want to be wearing android make up? Not that I'd blame him. Altan Soong's role should have been Commander Maddox played by the original actor and not the re-cast who lasted two episodes.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484641#Comment_118484641

If Spiner understandably didn't want to do the make up again they could have made him a later more human looking model like Julia Tainer.

eadrom

Yeah, it's rubbish. Cheapens the thing, like one of those old fan productions that would occasionally get a classic actor in to play any old role. Fun in a fan-fiction / fan-service kind of way but really cheap and lazy.

You can really imagine the producers / writers-room coming up with it too. "Brent will come back but doesn't want to do the OAP-Android bit", "How about yet-another-Soong?", "LOL, yeah sure **** it. Why not"

But why, though? Should have been Maddox.

Stark

The funny thing is having a body that aged at the pace his friends' bodies were aging would have been Data's ultimate dream. If they wanted to bring Spiner back in a makeup free role, having Data resurrected in a full human-like aging body instead of that consciousness construct would have worked well imo. Also having a body with simulated aging would have worked much better for Data's character than Picard's because really, what actual human wouldn't desire a second chance at youth if given the option.

Evade

I haven't watched Picard since it came out, did the every say what kind of heart he has now?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492148#Comment_118492148

Answering that contains a massive spoiler

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492836#Comment_118492836

Spoilers are allowed on this thread and spoiler text also exists. The post that prompted my question already said Picard has a new body

Stark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492148#Comment_118492148

They never said but I presume it's the standard synth heart.

I guess another happy side effect of the synth body transfer is he's completely free of any residual Borg modifications now.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118493116#Comment_118493116

I think you give the writers more credit than they deserve, that they might even remember that particular fact.

BizzyC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118493117#Comment_118493117

I think that extends back across ST in general.

In re-watching TNG I've found 2 episodes (so far) that show they can just change a persons physical age using transporters and stored copies of their pattern... they seem to forget these advancements in medical science very quickly when it suits a story line.

I liked Picard. Yes it wasn't the same captain, he's old, he's bitter, he's flawed. I thought it was a very believable outcome for a man who was stubborn in his pursuit of being noble and good without any interest in power and politics.... especially when you consider that the people who were playing politics and getting into power were those who wanted him out of the way.

I would like to see more of starfleet in season 2/3 though, make it more of a ST series than focused on Picard solely. Get Riker and some of those fancy new ships involved...

EltonJohn69

Im Hoping that Jean Luc has a love interest and/or a sex life in the upcoming season… for too long tv has refused to give older actors/characters a sex life/ love making scenes on screen.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118493207#Comment_118493207

To be fair, I liked this version of Picard too; as you say this was a man haunted by decisions made in his youth, left a bitter man. I'm sure many didn't like their hero beaten by a life left unfulfilled - shades of Luke Skywalker there I suppose - but for me, it was a great jumping-off point for a new story. Maybe something of the variety of It's a Wonderful Life, where Picard got to renew his lost purpose and sense of optimism.

Nope; we got nothing like that. I'm not even sure the writers knew where they were going with the show TBH, as seen by the increasingly bizarre back half, that spiralled out of control. All of what you describe might have been a great show, but it wasn't what we got.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118493116#Comment_118493116

He mightn't of had that much Borg tech left in him if any. The impression I got is that the amount of time you've got Borg tech in you determines how dependent you are on things like a Cordical Node or other serious changes the Borg appear to make. Looks like it's a really gradual process and he was only Borg for the guts of a week (?). The physiological damage was long lasting, and he had at least enough Borg tech in him to "hear" the Collective in First Contact, but I'm guessing he was mostly implant free at this stage.

However, being an android clone should indeed remove all of that. I wonder if they'll remember this when the Borg Queen turns up.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118493226#Comment_118493226

Altan said he fixed the brain thing, he might have left the nonagenarian ED.

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118495194#Comment_118495194

I would love if they bring Data back for one more scene where Jean Luc and Data discuss ED

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496250#Comment_118496250

Data is fully functional after all

Slydice

Spoiler Warning

Borg Queen! Borg Queen!

getting excited for the teases of the

Spoiler Warning

Borg Queen!

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496962#Comment_118496962

Not as much a spoiler, she was in the teaser trailer :P

Bless your optimism, hopefully it is not misplaced. Although these people have made another Trek show that I have already given up on, I have some hope that ST:Picard can still be watchable and that I can glein some entertainment from Season 2. But I am weary of Secret Hideout's uncanny ability to take good ideas and fail to follow through.

That all said, Voyager had reduced the Borg Queen to the status of a Cartoon Villainess. So if they can manage to inject at least some intrigue or menace back into her character it will be a step up I feel.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496962#Comment_118496962

She was cool the first time. But she’s been way over used IMO.

Brian?

Has everyone seen this trailer? It gives way too much away for my liking. 100% going to watch it all though

https://youtu.be/SWVA1ceMcko

faceman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498510#Comment_118498510

I must have missed that trailer. Didn't think they were doing a Star Trek 4 on it. FFS, this will just be another pile of poo like the first season.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498492#Comment_118498492

I'd agree, but I feel that she's also been misused.

In First Contact, she was an interesting novelty, and her first appearance in Voyager was interesting. But then after that she sort of devolved into a rather feckless idiot monster-queen who didn't know how to throw a dozen cubes at Voyager to get rid of them. Her behavior in End Game was beyond silly.

They could have made her cunning and extremely dangerous, but the Voyager crew routinely beat her with not too much difficulty. Future Janeway suggested that she had even beaten the Queen multiple times on her way home, suggesting that even after 20+ years of fighting an isolated Starfleet vessel, the Borg Queen still couldn't beat them.

The Borg Queen could be good again, if they can figure out a way to make her a more complex and dangerous character.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498600#Comment_118498600

Did you watch the trailer? She's going to be plugging like a time travel sat nav.

Stark

Looks like we won't have to wait too long more for this. Premiering March 3rd.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499253#Comment_118499253

I wouldn't discount the ability of a (well written) villain to get herself unhooked from that and fashion a new torso for herself. Looks like she was getting friendly with Dr. Agnes in the trailer. Maybe this was just seconds before she jumps her, assimilates her and transfers herself over onto a new body.

I won't mind Agnes being reformed as a Borg Queen. Would be a step up from the Android-scientist who didn't seem too haunted by her unnecessary murder of Maddox, which I'm convinced the writers had somehow managed to forget about by the end of Season 1. She kind of annoys me, and it would do no harm to the show if she just went away..

pixelburp

Watched the trailer again for this; had kinda forgotten what the thrust of Season 2 was. I had also forgotten how suspiciously cheap it all looked, what with the convenient time-travel back to 2021 Los Angeles.

Evade

WWIII started in the 2020s. Picard having to steer Earth towards WW3 as a necessary evil to correct the timeline and ensure the Federation and Earth's place in it exists as we know it would be a pretty good moral dilemma and would tie back into the trial in Encounter at Farpoint.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118511250#Comment_118511250

I was going to say Galactica 1980 are looking for royalties!

But Trek has been here before, with TOS episode "Assignment Earth" trying to be a pilot for a 1968 set series & Voyager has a nice 'contemporary' trip to LA also iirc

ilovesmybrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118511380#Comment_118511380

Oh, I quite like that idea! That sounds like fun.

Evade

I just had a bad thought

Picard: We will need contemporary clothing and communicators to blend in

Raffie: I've got it covered JL. I've combined our communicators and tricorders into this. It looks like an Apple iPhone 14 the premier communication device of this period *awkwardly holds logo towards to the camera*

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118511380#Comment_118511380

Huh. That would be a good twist all right; but don't you dare try and get my hopes up for any kind of narrative complexity.

I also imagine, in regards to cheapness, the bulk of the actual FX will be various cutaways to Picard's ship in orbit; the captain relegated to a "tech support" when some futuristic narrative fast-tracking is needed.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118511044#Comment_118511044

I don’t have the faith in the writers doing that good a job.

Stark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118511439#Comment_118511439

That's why we're not getting it 😛

Evade

Realistically it'll be mediocre, at best, and will probably abandon what's arguably the most interesting new character after the third episode.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498548#Comment_118498548

I saw this trailer a while back and it reminded me of a story I read years ago - The Gift. Here's a synopsis (spoilers etc):

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-gift-picard-q-comic-brother/

Looks like several elements from this new season may have been "inspired" by this? (Q sends Picard back in time where a Picard has turned the Federation into a dictatorship) Another Discovery-style mess in the making?

Meh, I won't be watching anyway. They killed Picard at the end of season 1 anyway.

EoinMcLovin

https://youtu.be/Rtq9s5azuBU

New trailer

Evade

Is that the ST:IV time travel method?