Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [ POSSIBLE SPOILERS ]

Rawr · 13-05-2022 2:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119056412#Comment_119056412

That brings up an excellent point, design language. The TNG designs were clearly built up to differentiate itself from TOS / Movies. There's this clear progression from stark utilitarian style of TOS to a more comfortable cruise-liner-ish style of the Galaxy Class, and then all the way to a fusion of both styles in the late TNG era for example on Voyager.

The Discovery-era shows have their own design language too, but all it seems to say is "We wanted to make JJ-Movies, so we're making this TV-show instead."

Evade · 13-05-2022 2:19pm

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Having the same corridor set in use for over 20 years probably helped the sense of "this is a continuation of the previos era."

ilovesmybrick · 13-05-2022 4:47pm

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Though I will say, they put that corridor set (and the TOS transporter set in TNG) to good use. You can tell that the Enterprise D is large, the Defiant is cramped, and Voyager is newer through small redesigns and refits. Using the same set did prompt some creativity. God knows how many bridges the D's battle bridge stood in for! While it could be considered doing things on the cheap, it added to the idea that these were new iterations of a standard design concept.

flazio · 13-05-2022 7:11pm

Thing about Voyager though is that Captain's Ready room. A small office on Enterprise D, as someone put it before, bigger then a studio apartment on Voyager. Also Engineering, while using the same set as TNG as far as I'm aware, was a good deal wider in front of the Warp core. For a smaller ship, it sure had bigger working rooms.

You probably already knew this but the Enterprise E sickbay set was a redress of the Voyager set in First Contact.

Evade · 13-05-2022 8:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119057763#Comment_119057763

I think the Defiant corridor set was completely new, they didn't normally share sets both series would use frequently.

GSPfan · 15-05-2022 1:31pm

Finally mustered up the effort to finish season 2 and my summary opinion is that it’s crap.

There’s just so much wrong that it’s hard to list them. I’m at the point where I wish this series didn’t exist at all.

AMKC · 15-05-2022 6:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119058273#Comment_119058273

You probably already knew this but the Enterprise E sickbay set was a redress of the Voyager set in First Contact.

Was Voyager in First Contact I never noticed. Dam may go back and watch that now lol only kidding.

corkie · 15-05-2022 7:46pm

Despite the number of new sets created for the film, the production once again reused old material, including turbolift wall sections dating back to 1979's Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Sections of the starship Voyager from Star Trek: Voyager were cannibalized for the film, as filming was to take place between that series' second and third seasons. Voyager's sickbay was repainted and redressed for use as Doctor Crusher's sickbay, and the Voyagercargo bay set became the Enterpriseweapons locker with relatively little modification.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Trek%3A_First_Contact

The set was used but I don't remember voyager appearing in the film?

Evade · 15-05-2022 7:52pm

I'm pretty sure the Bellerophon from Inter Arma Enim Silent Legis is the only other Intrepid class ever show on screen.

Evade · 15-05-2022 9:50pm

https://youtu.be/UsaTdqhd6eg

They watched episode 10. I think it might have broken them.

pixelburp · 16-05-2022 9:07am

Will Wheaton's rictus grin in this "aftershow" clips is the stuff of mundane tragedy.

Poor Mike and Rich, hopefully Strange New Worlds remains along its gentle upward curve and they find it a palette cleanser from this garbage.

flazio · 16-05-2022 10:17am

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No, but if you look at this scene, the position of all the beds, the line pattern on the wall that my TV doesn't like when I'm watching Voyager, it's clearly the sickbay set from Voyager just with softer lighting and different doors. Voyager even used that same escape panel during the season 2 to 3 two parter "Basics"

https://youtu.be/dXTXjnvzE78

We didn't visit Sickbay in Insurrection but it had a whole new look in Nemesis because the Voyager set was long gone.

corkie · 21-05-2022 5:12pm

https://comicbook.com/startrek/news/star-trek-picard-season-2-3-stargazer/

^^ Do people actually buy these comics?

pixelburp · 21-05-2022 5:21pm

Well, if you're fool enough to like the show ...

AMKC · 24-05-2022 9:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119094085#Comment_119094085

I will admit I bought some of the ones leading up to Star Trek 09 only because of that and looked at many others in forbidden Planet but a long time ago now. Would I buy them now no not bothered.

GeorgeStobart2022 · 03-06-2022 7:50pm

Since its been confirmed that the next gen cast will all be in S3 of Picard and its also been confirmed they will all be together I am wondering who Brent will play since Data is Dead

Evade · 03-06-2022 8:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119155149#Comment_119155149

Quasi resurrected Data through B-4

pixelburp · 03-06-2022 8:45pm

I dunno, it could just be Yet Another Soong. The de-ageing in Season 1 was ... not great and the tech in general extremely ropey unless very cleverly used. IE, briefly and in the distance, as they did with Q in Season 2. Not to mention being something that'd eat into the budget the more Spiner was part of the season.

Evade · 03-06-2022 9:01pm

There's nothing saying Data can't choose to appear to age like his friends and colleagues, he had that skunk streak in the future sections of All Good Things after all.

I rally hope it's not another Soong.

corkie · 03-06-2022 9:02pm

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Star Trek: Picard definitively stated that Data's plan to return in B-4's body failed. This contradicts Star Trek: Countdown, a 2009 comic book miniseries that set up J.J. Abrams' Star Trek movie. In the comic, B-4 successfully became Data and he then took over from Picard as Captain of the Enterprise. However, most Star Trek comics and novels aren't considered official canon and Star Trek: Picard has debunked that possibility.

What's now official canon is what Jean-Luc learned in "Remembrance" when he visited the Daystrom Institute in Okinawa and met with Dr. Agnes Jurati (Alison Pill), the world's foremost expert in cybernetics: Data's memory engram transfer failed because B-4 was an inferior copy with a far less sophisticated positronic brain. As Jurati summed it up, ultimately "B-4 wasn't much like Data at all." Further, B-4 was dismantled and his parts are in storage at the Daystrom Institute.

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-b4-theory-debunked-data-resurrection/

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/B-4

Evade · 03-06-2022 9:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119155534#Comment_119155534

I wouldn't be surprised if that got retconned, the whole "Starfleet only uses one-ish type of ship because it makes more sense" (it doesn't) thing was dropped.

~Rebel~ · 03-06-2022 11:27pm

From a storytelling point of view, they've also just told Data's story. They brought him back once to give him his full proper goodbye in Picard already, so would be a terrible choice to bring him back yet again. It's done.

If they insist upon another Spiner character, would expect it to be either the fella from season 1, or Lore.

pixelburp · 04-06-2022 10:51am

Oh yeah, Adam Soong is still alive, right? Then there we go; gotta work in Dash (sic) as well anyway, so I expect a return to the Planet of the Droids and thus Spiner's inclusion.

Haha I just had an evil thought. All the TNG cast? None of them return as their presumed characters, but new ones. Muahaha.

Evade · 04-06-2022 11:48am

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Altan. Adam is the one from the 21st century. Not to be confused with Arik, the one from the 22nd century. They must have lost all but the first few pages of the Big Book of Boy Names.

breezy1985 · 04-06-2022 11:54am

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All the TNG cast will return as Soongs.

pixelburp · 04-06-2022 12:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157198#Comment_119157198

At this stage, I kinda wanna see it happen. Not like it could make the show any worse to watch

breezy1985 · 04-06-2022 1:03pm

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Ya season 2 was shocking. Season 3 at least will be approached with absolutely zero expectations for me.

pixelburp · 04-06-2022 1:49pm

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Season 3 returning the TNG cast just makes the whole thing feel like gaslighting, if I'm using the right term. Like the production know it has treated us like ****, then turns around and trots out the nice stuff like nothing ever happened.

Evade · 04-06-2022 2:32pm

I don't think that's the right use of gaslighting. Gaslighting is more like articles that claim Disco and Picard are actually good Star Trek and it makes you doubt your own perception of the series.

Spon Farmer · 05-06-2022 3:26pm

I still have two episodes to go so no spoilers please. Although I will most likely finish the season before checking back here.

Picard and his team have travelled to 2024 but the technology at the pre-launch gala and Soong’s house is way ahead of current technology.

why have they used such advance tech in the show when it wasn’t needed and is so out of place?

Soong is recently disgraced scientist. How has he suddenly been accepted in the board of the Europa mission? And who did he talk to get a team of special forces soldiers?

Orla Brady is always a welcome sight but her mission to only ever observe Renee Picard makes no sense - how is she protecting her if she doesn’t go near her? If it hadn’t been for Picard she wouldn’t have known the therapist was manipulating her.

And the “observe only” rule doesn’t fit with the aliens “monitors. Gary Seven and others like him were tasked with directly interfering to ensure mankind and Earth were safe.

It is nice to see a Star Trek show directly referencing other series like Picard talking about Kirk’s adventures. However it was disappointing that the writers haven’t the imagination to not copy The Voyage Home. The punt on the bus and the “I only work in outer space” are cringe moments.

Evade · 05-06-2022 4:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161500#Comment_119161500

The 2020s in the Star Trek universe isn't our 2020s.

Spon Farmer · 06-06-2022 7:48am

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Clearly but it should be.

I’ve one episode to go and other than the story of Picard and his mother which had been handled beautiful (although it took far too long to unfold) the season 2 has been pointless and very messy.

Q changes the history of the galaxy to make Picard face the truth about his mother? This kind of thing is something the likes of Q wouldn’t understand.

Agnes and the Borg Queen have joined together and set off to 21st century Delta Quadrant to create a new friendlier Collective meaning the Borg don’t conquer, Picard never becomes Locutus and the battle of Wolf-359 and the First Contact movie never happens?

And what was the point of the Fox Mulder guy? Did the producers suddenly realise they only had 9 episodes?

Spon Farmer · 06-06-2022 9:11am

I really liked the story of Picard and his mother and the performances were great.

I also liked the Talin/Renee story and happily retract my earlier criticism as it turns out Talin did more than just observe her.

However the rest was a mess. De lancie gave a good performance in his final scenes but I don’t buy that Q could ever understand humans enough to see or care that Oucard was damaged or want to fix it.

And the time travel was a ridiculous mess. Time travel is supposed to change things - the whole “it already happened” is a such lazy writing. As is recycling funny moments from the Shatner movies.

Evade · 06-06-2022 10:06am

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The alternate history is a consequence of how long the franchise has been running, we caught up.

My read on the new Borg is they're a parallel Borg society operating in secret until they show up in 2400

Spon Farmer · 06-06-2022 10:13am

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I get that the world caught up but could still have used present day technology. Soong was just too advanced.

And Agnes just lets the the Borg run rampant and does nothing?

And even before they all travelled back in time it had already happened so that none of it mattered anyway.

Spon Farmer · 06-06-2022 10:31am

Picard’s story was really really good and heartbreaking.

It really did deserve a better story around it.

And with a little expansion the Talin/Renee story would have made a great non time travel Assignment Earth sequel mini series.

Spon Farmer · 06-06-2022 10:33am

As I’m here, I have wondered if there was ever a reason given in TNG why Picard doesn’t have a French accent.

Now I have to ask a new question - why are all the Picards British?

Evade · 06-06-2022 10:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164274#Comment_119164274

By this point in Star Trek history humans had mastered genetic engineering so the drones aren't much of a stretch for me

Evade · 06-06-2022 10:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164365#Comment_119164365

There's a quick line early in the season that says

The Picards were just returning to the chateaux from a few generations of living in the UK in the child Jean-Luc scenes.

pixelburp · 06-06-2022 10:59am

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Because ... casting?

As a serious answer, IIRC Stewart tried a French accent but all agreed it was terrible so they just stuck with his normal voice.

Banana Republic 1 · 06-06-2022 11:01am

The fact that this show was made has spoiled Star Trek.

Spon Farmer · 06-06-2022 1:33pm

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I don’t remember that but okay that explains Jean-Luc and his parents but what about Reneé? Talin actually mentions that she grew in France.

Spon Farmer · 06-06-2022 1:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164469#Comment_119164469

We all know Stewart is a Brit and we all know the story that he couldn’t do the accent, Roddenberry didn’t want him, etc. - as I said in my post a reason given in TNG - as in “in-universe”.

And the reason isn’t casting anyway. Mitchell and Wise are not British.

Also, I believe that isn’t Stewart’s “normal voice”. He learned to speak that way.

odyssey06 · 06-06-2022 3:16pm

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Its his 'normal' voice for acting roles though not a special Picard one. Started elocution while still in school and then RSC trained. From Yorkshire originally so not the voice he grew up with.