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AMKC

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

While not strictly canon, Enterprise F was launched in 2409.

pixelburp ^^ Holy god that thing's ugly. Why are so many TNG era vessels so lumpy and messy? But then I thought the USS Reliant was a beautiful design, what do I know

I actually think it looks great. It's a natural evolution from the E.

The Reliant is a beautiful design.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

That's one of the prettier STO ships, there are some real shockers

That is ugly.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

funny thing is the game has full copyright too and the above is supposed to just be an evolution of steamrunner (which is in there too)


check out the ugly:
https://www.google.com/search?q=sto+fed+ships&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj92JK9y9_cAhXFVLwKHfeFDPwQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=938

/sidetrack

funny thing is the game has full copyright too and the above is supposed to just be an evolution of steamrunner (which is in there too)

The Steamrunner is a cool ship and not ugly. That thing is ugly but maybe if it was built as a warship then it might be understandable.

pixelburp

Agree to disagree there, because all those STO designs look ... kinda thoughtless. No deference to style or aesthetics, just lumping 'Trek bits' together into misshapen craft that lack any character whatsoever. Just googled that 'steamrunner' class and urgh. :eek:

The flying bricks of The Expanse look more stylish than those designs, and half of them are still warships. You can still see thought and pragmatism in those vessels. Anyway, STO is not really canon apparently so we can happily ignore them.

Inviere

They’re all non canon though, the last Enterprise seen in canon was E being repaired in Nemesis. Anything after that, whether dreamt up by someone with some skill, or whether doodled by a neckbeard, isn’t canonand can be largely ignored.

Cookie_Monster

pixelburp wrote: »

Just googled that 'steamrunner' class and urgh. :eek:

ahh come off it. Probably the best looking canon ship going

AMKC

Inviere wrote: »

They’re all non canon though, the last Enterprise seen in canon was E being repaired in Nemesis. Anything after that, whether dreamt up by someone with some skill, or whether doodled by a neckbeard, isn’t canonand can be largely ignored.

The steamrunner' class is canon.

It is in First Contact along with the Akira class, a Norway class and a Sabre class. They were designed to fight the Borg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPzJSBHG4pI&t=53s

It appears around 3:14 along with the other ships too.

Inviere

AMKC wrote: »

The steamrunner' class is canon.

I know, I was talking about the various Enterprise ships mentioned like F and G. After E, the only glimpse of an Enterprise we got was J, and it was but a glimpse. Nothing else is canon, yet.

AtomicHorror

Inviere wrote: »

I know, I was talking about the various Enterprise ships mentioned like F and G. After E, the only glimpse of an Enterprise we got was J, and it was but a glimpse. Nothing else is canon, yet.

Even the J is no more canon than the triple-nacelle Ent-D abomination.

Goodshape

The J is the stupidest looking thing.

AtomicHorror

Goodshape wrote: »

The J is the stupidest looking thing.

It's not as stupid looking as a Galaxy class with three nacelles.

Goodshape

AtomicHorror wrote: »

It's not as stupid looking as a Galaxy class with three nacelles.

Ah, it's much worse imo. The three nacelles were a bit lazy and daft looking, but the the J just looks impossible. Like an intern took the D into some cheap 3D software and squished and stretched it and generally ****ed it up, then called it a day.

A mishmash of textures and shapes that doesn't work at all. IMO

pixelburp

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

ahh come off it. Probably the best looking canon ship going

I'm not sure about 'best looking', comes off like a flying shovel to me, with the usual messy over-design that plagues post 'Generations' ships.

It's a shame more ships didn't take the aesthetic cues from the DS9 Defiant, instead of the constant aping of the saucer-deflector-nacelles randomisation that goes on.

Kiith

I can forgive the triple nacelled Enterprise, if only because their phasers were super powerful. Whatever about photon/quantum torpedos and phase cannons, there's nothing more satisfying for me than seeing phasers used properly. Best part of Way of the Warrior was the barrage of phaser fire. Always used phaser boats in STO as well.

Also, the Akira is clearly the best looking Starfleet ship.

Hector Savage

Best looking Enterprise was the TNG one ... D ?

AMKC

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Even the J is no more canon than the triple-nacelle Ent-D abomination.

I think they were trying to make it look more powerful.

Kiith wrote: »

I can forgive the triple nacelled Enterprise, if only because their phasers were super powerful. Whatever about photon/quantum torpedos and phase cannons, there's nothing more satisfying for me than seeing phasers used properly. Best part of Way of the Warrior was the barrage of phaser fire. Always used phaser boats in STO as well.

Also, the Akira is clearly the best looking Starfleet ship.

I agree the Akira is a great looking ship

Evade

AMKC wrote: »

I agree the Akira is a great looking ship

Yeah, the only bad angle it has the side view which is probably why you never see it that way.

Inviere

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Even the J is no more canon than the triple-nacelle Ent-D abomination.

J was shown in Enterprise, as a ship from the future. The Galaxy refit was shown in TNG as a possible future, with a side order of Q on the side. The J is definitely canon.

Inviere

Inviere wrote: »

J was shown in Enterprise, as a ship from the future. The Galaxy refit was shown in TNG as a possible future, with a side order of Q on the side. The J is definitely canon.

J was from a future with the Sphere builders invading the universe.
Enterprise closed off that front, so J is a possible (closed off) future

TheValeyard

[Deleted User] wrote: »

J was from a future with the Sphere builders invading the universe.
Enterprise closed off that front, so J is a possible (closed off) future

Some really cool theories with that ship.

Riskymove

Evade wrote: »

It is big but they have communicators. If a retired Picard needed something he could call in a favour from Admiral Riker. If he's teaching at the Academy with O'Brien should they just ghost each other in the hallways?

"We're putting the band back together for a mission from God"

Inviere

Deleted User wrote: »

J was from a future with the Sphere builders invading the universe.
Enterprise closed off that front, so J is a possible (closed off) future

It’s admittedly been a while, was that timeline prevented then in Enterprise?

Inviere

Inviere wrote: »

It’s admittedly been a while, was that timeline prevented then in Enterprise?

AFAIR yeah it was

Inviere

Deleted User wrote: »

AFAIR yeah it was

I can’t find anything to suggest as such online. Best I can find is that Archer was brought aboard to show him that humans and Xindi would eventually work together to defeat a common foe, and save the galaxy. It was intended to convince Archer to abandon his suicide mission, and to instead seek peace with the Xindi...which is ultimately, what happened. I think she’s canon.

The only way to be sure is to watch the episode, and this debate isn’t that important

Inviere

Inviere wrote: »

I can’t find anything to suggest as such online. Best I can find is that Archer was brought aboard to show him that humans and Xindi would eventually work together to defeat a common foe, and save the galaxy. It was intended to convince Archer to abandon his suicide mission, and to instead seek peace with the Xindi...which is ultimately, what happened. I think she’s canon.

The only way to be sure is to watch the episode, and this debate isn’t that important

Daniels said that Enterprise ended the temporal cold war, preventing the actual war.

I could be wrong in my take from that

Evade

In that future the Delphic Expanse was still there but it was turned back to normal space when the spheres were destroyed. So I don't think the J will exist in the 26th century or at least there's no guarantees it'll be remotely similar.

Inviere

Evade wrote: »

In that future the Delphic Expanse was still there but it was turned back to normal space when the spheres were destroyed. So I don't think the J will exist in the 26th century or at least there's no guarantees it'll be remotely similar.

I see, so in that timeline perhaps Archer had gone ahead with the suicide mission against the Xindi. I’m glad it’s not canon then, it was a bizarre looking thing

TheValeyard

Inviere wrote: »

I see, so in that timeline perhaps Archer had gone ahead with the suicide mission against the Xindi. I’m glad it’s not canon then, it was a bizarre looking thing

I think its still canon, and the future war will still happen. The spheres of the 22nd century were a desperate attempt by the sphere builders at victory.

Goodshape

Sure it was all a Holodeck simulation anyway.

Evade

I don't think any future glimpses can be considered strictly canon which brings up uniforms. Do you think we'll get the solid colour top design seen in All Good Things and the Visitor's future segments or something new? I liked that style but all the designs since then, in actual time, have been much duller.

Evade

Goodshape wrote: »

Sure it was all a Holodeck simulation anyway.

That was just the last Episode wasn't it?

AMKC

Evade wrote: »

That was just the last Episode wasn't it?

You mean the Episode that was actually a TNG episode but had Enterprise in the title. I was so disappointed with that episode the fact it was not even a hour long and the way it was done. I remember all the hype and looking forward to it and then getting that. I was looking forward to to a proper 90 minute episode that would have gave them a good ending. The worst part was the fact that none of them had aged anyway at all and it was what 10 years later.