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Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** POSSIBLE SPOILERS **]
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I tried watching that author's videos before, but his style is cynical and abhorrent. In fact it feels rich that he'd comment on this more dystopian view of Treks world, when its channels like his that perpetuate the cycle of negativity within the pop culture zeitgeist. Negativity sells. YouTube is awash with "critics" or outrage merchants who get off on slamming everything, screaming about SJWs, picking holes, pulling up supposed "plot holes" or what have you. There are about 2, 3 channels I'll watch re. pop culture criticism who have decidedly sober, thoughtful approaches like Lindsey Ellis or Patrick H Willems. The rest is just screeching white noise as unpleasant as any number of Trek admirals saying "F*ck". Picard has its problems, but so has the wider world of entertainment.
Sorry. If that sounds like a rant, then good; it was absolutely meant to be one
you can be critical of the critics, but the shows are giving them the material. While there might be a market for these shows and if they are generating $$$ thats all that matters to Netflix and the rest, but its also legitimate that a lot of viewers who grew up on 80's to later SiFi find this modern Star Trek soulless.
If I had to choose between a lost episode of Next Generation and the next series of Picard, I'd pick the lost episode in a heartbeat.A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer
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I tried watching that author's videos before, but his style is cynical and abhorrent. In fact it feels rich that he'd comment on this more dystopian view of Treks world, when its channels like his that perpetuate the cycle of negativity within the pop culture zeitgeist. Negativity sells. YouTube is awash with "critics" or outrage merchants who get off on slamming everything, screaming about SJWs, picking holes, pulling up supposed "plot holes" or what have you. There are about 2, 3 channels I'll watch re. pop culture criticism who have decidedly sober, thoughtful approaches like Lindsey Ellis or Patrick H Willems. The rest is just screeching white noise as unpleasant as any number of Trek admirals saying "F*ck". Picard has its problems, but so has the wider world of entertainment.
Sorry. If that sounds like a rant, then good; it was absolutely meant to be one
I agree. I never will let some know it all on youtube running his mouth dictate to me what might or might not be good.
In fact all these people craving attention by giving reviews I have no interest in.
I recall people slating DS9 as dark, enterprise as awful etc.
I watched those shows and the "dark"DS9 was my favorite show of them all.
The so called awful enterprise was better than voyager.
I prefer this format of people together on a forum discussing a show than some attention whore lecturing on youtube as if they were an expert on taste.0 -
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That's so much better than what they done and makes more sense too and would have been far better. A pity you were not a writer for it. What or how do you think they should do season 2 of Picard?
Thank you, you are for too kind
I don't think there should be a Season 2. This should have been Picard's swan-song and alas I don't think Season 1 would have been a appropriate send off for Picard.
But if I bring out the crayons, I guess this is what I would do for Season 2 based on the Season 1 we got.
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The events of Season 1 have now become common knowledge across the known galaxy. The Artifact has a become the object of a political tug-of-war between the Federation, Romulan Free State and the new Ex-Borg Collective. What had looked like situation where the Romulans would actually join the Federation is now looking like the beginnings of an open war.
Picard & La Serena continue Picard's earlier work of trying to help out refugee Romulans settle on various Federation outposts, at the same time they are trying to act as good will ambassadors for the android race. In a world in what used to be the Neutral Zone, Picard uncovers something familiar, a piece of Iconian technology. With the help of some others, Picard learns he's found an Iconian Time-Capsule and that only a Posatronic brain can sync with it. Picard uses his knowledge of Iconia and his new android brain to access the data.
The Romulan Sisters had read their information wrong. They too had accessed the Iconian message, but they were not equipped to understand what it really meant. Nor were the androids. Only someone like Picard, born natually, but transferred to an android...only he could hope to receive the message properly.
I was an Iconian log, their last log. They were the most powerful empire the galaxy had ever seen, with gateways in all 4 quadrants. But they had grown arrogant, they started to believe that they could cheat death. Thousands of years before Data, they created their own Posatronic brains, to house their own minds, and to live forever.
But a lack of death had warped the Iconian's sense of reality. Jealously they guarded their new ability from other species. Factions began to form and rivalries that might have calmed down after due to time or death just grew greater. Whole sections of Iconian society tore itself apart, leaving behind the Gateways and scraps of their technology for others to find.
The microscopic probes they used to mend their bodies fell into the hands of a Delta Quadrant species who learned how the Iconian probes could repair bodies. Their whole society swapped out these probes for most medicines, but it was too popular...the probes were everywhere and had linked together....by the time they had realised their mistake....they had become Species 001. They would repair....everything....
The robot arms that had been summoned by Soji were not some kind of robot race arriving to wipe out organic life. They were the remaining living Iconians...driven mad by their eternity in the void between gateways. The message had been a cry for help, they had wanted to get out but they were extremely powerful and were insane. Now mostly robotic, they looked nothing like their original selves.
It was essential to avoid war in the Neural Zone at all costs. Not just for the sake of peace, but to prevent the insane Iconians from being unleashed onto the Alpha and Beta Quadrants...and possibly even the entire Galaxy. Classified logs from the Earth Romulan War show them that this nearly happened once before.
Picard Season 2 would cover Picard & Co's attempts to stop a war from happening in this part of space while others would be trying to make it happen in order to gain the Iconian technologies for themselves.
In the end of all of this...Picard should somehow die in one last *genuine* sacrifice to save everyone from the Iconian disaster (and not just to "convince" the androids that people can be OK).
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So, that's what I sort of threw together there :P0 -
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Thank you, you are for too kind
I don't think there should be a Season 2. This should have been Picard's swan-song and alas I don't think Season 1 would have been a appropriate send off for Picard.
But if I bring out the crayons, I guess this is what I would do for Season 2 based on the Season 1 we got.
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The events of Season 1 have now become common knowledge across the known galaxy. The Artifact has a become the object of a political tug-of-war between the Federation, Romulan Free State and the new Ex-Borg Collective. What had looked like situation where the Romulans would actually join the Federation is now looking like the beginnings of an open war.
Picard & La Serena continue Picard's earlier work of trying to help out refugee Romulans settle on various Federation outposts, at the same time they are trying to act as good will ambassadors for the android race. In a world in what used to be the Neutral Zone, Picard uncovers something familiar, a piece of Iconian technology. With the help of some others, Picard learns he's found an Iconian Time-Capsule and that only a Posatronic brain can sync with it. Picard uses his knowledge of Iconia and his new android brain to access the data.
The Romulan Sisters had read their information wrong. They too had accessed the Iconian message, but they were not equipped to understand what it really meant. Nor were the androids. Only someone like Picard, born natually, but transferred to an android...only he could hope to receive the message properly.
I was an Iconian log, their last log. They were the most powerful empire the galaxy had ever seen, with gateways in all 4 quadrants. But they had grown arrogant, they started to believe that they could cheat death. Thousands of years before Data, they created their own Posatronic brains, to house their own minds, and to live forever.
But a lack of death had warped the Iconian's sense of reality. Jealously they guarded their new ability from other species. Factions began to form and rivalries that might have calmed down after due to time or death just grew greater. Whole sections of Iconian society tore itself apart, leaving behind the Gateways and scraps of their technology for others to find.
The microscopic probes they used to mend their bodies fell into the hands of a Delta Quadrant species who learned how the Iconian probes could repair bodies. Their whole society swapped out these probes for most medicines, but it was too popular...the probes were everywhere and had linked together....by the time they had realised their mistake....they had become Species 001. They would repair....everything....
The robot arms that had been summoned by Soji were not some kind of robot race arriving to wipe out organic life. They were the remaining living Iconians...driven mad by their eternity in the void between gateways. The message had been a cry for help, they had wanted to get out but they were extremely powerful and were insane. Now mostly robotic, they looked nothing like their original selves.
It was essential to avoid war in the Neural Zone at all costs. Not just for the sake of peace, but to prevent the insane Iconians from being unleashed onto the Alpha and Beta Quadrants...and possibly even the entire Galaxy. Classified logs from the Earth Romulan War show them that this nearly happened once before.
Picard Season 2 would cover Picard & Co's attempts to stop a war from happening in this part of space while others would be trying to make it happen in order to gain the Iconian technologies for themselves.
In the end of all of this...Picard should somehow die in one last *genuine* sacrifice to save everyone from the Iconian disaster (and not just to "convince" the androids that people can be OK).
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So, that's what I sort of threw together there :P
I agree totally with you on season 1 and also that it should have been at least 3 seasons before Picard was to die but it is the way it is now.
That's really good. You should get in contact with CBS and try and get on the writing staff of Picard. Even if they only used a little of what you have typed there it might be much better than what they come up with.Live long and Prosper
Peace and long life.
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I agree totally with you on season 1 and also that it should have been at least 3 seasons before Picard was to die but it is the way it is now.
That's really good. You should get in contact with CBS and try and get on the writing staff of Picard. Even if they only used a little of what you have typed there it might be much better than what they come up with.
Thank you again
Like any Trekkie, even the hint of an idea to actually write some of Trek of be mind-blowing. Although I have a strong suspicion that you need to get past a load of gate-keepers to even get as far as putting in an idea or even the scrap of a suggestion.
I had a quick look at Star Trek.com about this: https://intl.startrek.com/Pitching
Looks like they wouldn't be interested in anyone giving them a draft story pitch for a Season 2 (At least not via this path).
Also you've got the problem that CBS don't actually produce Star Trek at the moment, Secret Hideout do this. They themselves don't appear to have much of an online prescience (so I guess they kind of live up to their name)
So although I would jump at the chance to write any Trek, I haven't the foggiest idea where I would start :P0 -
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It's a shame really as back in the TNG era there was an open door policy for script submission and a few writers got a break from that approach.
My guess is that the current online world of emails etc. makes it now very easy for any Tom, Dick or Harry Kim to submit ideas and spam their collective inboxes. Back in the day you had to put the effort into a proper paper mail-in submission, which I'm guessing would deter all but the very committed story pitches.
There's also the ever-present microcosm of the LA / Burbank TV production world which I feel has just gotten more insular over time. I can't help but wonder if there is a protectionist sense of group-think within the entire industry which will defend the many hacks who make a living within it, while treating outside creativity with hostility, while only occasionally letting some of it in (and only then if it can further their own aims).
There are many commentators who decry that franchises like Star Trek are becoming too "woke" or focused on "virtue signalling", whereas I feel that a lot of that is very superficial. I feel that the biggest problem with these shows lies beneath the surface within production environments, where they often look exclusively within their own ranks for increasingly bland and uninspired direction. These shows won't die out for having a female lead, they'll die out for lacking any real sense of adventure or fun...they will die for being bland and boring.
I mentioned before that I do consider Picard to be a Trek show...just a disappointing Trek show. Expanding on that; although I was disappointed by how they wrote the story...I was also disappointed by it not being all that much fun. TNG was fun, and when the serious moments came it provided some contrast to the fun moments. "The Borg are here....this is serious now....." Even shows like DS9 had that balance. In later Trek I don't get that feeling. They have injected some brevity whereever they could, but I don't get a sense of people who know how to make a fun show about a space adventure. "This is all serious...with a joke here or there....but don't forget....it's serious..."
They should certainly be more open to new ideas and fresh perspectives, and if there was a way to do it I'd be delighted to share my bones of a Season 2 with them. But there's so much protectionism going on in these studios, they would be instantly hostile to the idea of a random Irish fan setting up the direction of their show 0 -
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Justin Credible Darts wrote: »Thought that discovery finished better, after a miserable start, for me Pike was the standout star of the show
Says it all really, the best thing about Discovery is a temporary character
Completely agree, he was quite well done in it. 0 -
Says it all really, the best thing about Discovery is a temporary character Completely agree, he was quite well done in it.
The star of season one was Lorca..another temporary character.
Pike for season two.
Truth is this whole concept of basing the whole show on one individual in Burnham has been awful.
The character is suppose to be part of the show...not the show about her, and this is why it has needed others to help carry it.0 -
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