Roseanne fired but Sarah Jeong hired?

ancapailldorcha

Will I Am Not wrote: »

What’s your opinion Winny? Do you think it’s double standards? Is she a racist? Should she be fired/not hired considering precedence?

I'm about as liberal as they come and, yes. She's quite blatantly a racist. I'd also add that I think she's the worst kind of attention seeker who uses social injustice to feed her own spiteful, self-centred agenda regardless of the damage it does to good causes. Basically, a human tapeworm.

Ken.

Mod- DONTMATTER don't post here again. Reason-Trolling.

professore

Will I Am Not wrote: »

What’s your opinion Winny? Do you think it’s double standards? Is she a racist? Should she be fired/not hired considering precedence?

I asked a question about the media labelling of all sorts of people as alt right. Then I got a bizarre reply about a victimhood narrative. I know so little about the alt right I didn't even know who coined the phrase or what it meant exactly. As it's used its a vehicle to associate the far right with the centre right and centrists as far as I can see.

WinnyThePoo

Will I Am Not wrote: »

What’s your opinion Winny? Do you think it’s double standards? Is she a racist? Should she be fired/not hired considering precedence?

I think shes a grade A idiot. Companies are free to hire and fire who they want.

DickSwiveller Returns

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'm about as liberal as they come and, yes. She's quite blatantly a racist. I'd also add that I think she's the worst kind of attention seeker who uses social injustice to feed her own spiteful, self-centred agenda regardless of the damage it does to good causes. Basically, a human tapeworm.

Well said.

givyjoe

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Don't be.


On Trump:



On Richard Spencer:



On Ben Shapiro:

Deeeeeeelicious.

DickSwiveller Returns

Brian? wrote: »

I’m excusing nothing.

Have you any proof I’m a hypocrite? If not, I want an apology.

Brian, I apologise for calling you a hypocrite. It was unnecessarily personal.

The point I was trying to make is that certain posters here throw out the accusation of racism/bigotry at will (I myself have been called racist for calling for tighter immigration controls), but then we when we have a clear example of racism from someone who is on the liberal wing people are trying to make excuses. Even anchapailldorcha, hardly a white supremacist, has said it's blatant racism.

WinnyThePoo

professore wrote: »

I asked a question about the media labelling of all sorts of people as alt right. Then I got a bizarre reply about a victimhood narrative. I know so little about the alt right I didn't even know who coined the phrase or what it meant exactly. As it's used its a vehicle to associate the far right with the centre right and centrists as far as I can see.

You made the claim the that the term alt right was created in 2016. Thats false.\\

You then made the claim alt right is used as a catch all term for people on the right. Once again thats a false claim.

'I know so little about the alt right I didn't even know who coined the phrase or what it meant exactly.'

Googles your friend, theres also search engines like Bing out there.

' As it's used its a vehicle to associate the far right with the centre right and centrists as far as I can see.'

There a dullards out there that try and call everyone under the sun labels. Unfortunately in the real world though if your subscribe to far right politics in america, you most likely call yourself Alt-right.

Will I Am Not

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I think shes a grade A idiot. Companies are free to hire and fire who they want.

She is a grade A idiot and also a racist.

2 Scoops

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I think shes a grade A idiot. Companies are free to hire and fire who they want.

Interesting choice of word there Winny.

WinnyThePoo

Will I Am Not wrote: »

She is a grade A idiot and also a racist.

Yes your right. Don't know why anybody would deny that .

Will I Am Not

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Yes your right. Don't know why anybody would deny that .

Some people can’t bring themselves to say it :pac:

Venom

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Some people can’t bring themselves to say it

That's because such a level of rational thought, critical thinking and self-awareness would get them kicked out of the echo chamber. It's hilarious to witness the sheer level of mental gymnastics required to even consider what Jeong wrote as anything other than racist by certain commenters in this thread.


What I just don't get is why pick this of all hills to die on?

Billy86

professore wrote: »

Alt right is a totally made up term to make the American right sound worse. It didn't exist before 2016 and guess what... it still doesn't exist.

Honest question here, where did you read that?

Because the creators of the term 'alt right' were... the alt right themselves, because 'neo Nazi' just doesn't have that same shimmer to it like it did in the past. The exact person to coin the term was prominent neo Nazi Richard Spencer, who you may know as 'Nazi gets punched' guy or 'man shouts about 'lugenpress' and 'Heil Trump' to zeig-heiling supporters' guy, or even as the 'guy banned from the entire Schengen region for general Nazi stuff'. He literally had a website set up under AlternativeRight.com for a few years there.

That's the problem with neo Nazi groups, you see: no matter how much they attempt to rebrand themselves, they are still neo Nazi groups and so the truth comes out sooner rather than later. Now that 'alt right' has gone sour they will rebrand again in an attempt to sneak back in unnoticed... and when they do get noticed (which they will - neo Nazis tend to stick out a bit) there will be another clamour to frame the new branding, whatever it may be, as "totally made up term to make the American right sound worse" (not to say you are necessarily part of the alt right, but I'd reckon wherever you read that may be!).

It's all driven by that inability to have the courage to stand behind their convictions that is one of the single most defining aspects of almost any far right group, right down from leadership to the plebs following. You even see the same on boards with some posters routinely attempt to 'rebrand' themselves by closing their accounts every few months, only to immediately open new ones and spouting the same alt/far-right nonsense.

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That's a great spiel Billy, you've defined the "alt-right" as Neo Nazi's then go onto say boards posters are spouting alt right nonsense. I don't see anyone on boards posting Neo Nazi views and if people did they'd be banned. My opinion is you're trying to equate those with different views, as an example those who have strong issues with Islam ( the vast majority of posters on those threads ) as alt right and without even realizing it you've just gone and proved the point Professore was making.

As it's used its a vehicle to associate the far right with the centre right and centrists as far as I can see.

Knex*

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'm about as liberal as they come and, yes. She's quite blatantly a racist. I'd also add that I think she's the worst kind of attention seeker who uses social injustice to feed her own spiteful, self-centred agenda regardless of the damage it does to good causes. Basically, a human tapeworm.

Yeah, even taking the racism stuff aside, which is hard to do when displayed at this level, she comes across as a fairly psychotic and unhealthy person in general.

I'm pretty sure that any psychologist would have field day trawling through her tweets, videos and other social media content.

I'm also quite comfortable stating that she's not a well balanced person, nor is she pleasant to be around. (youdontsay.jpg)

NYT going ahead and not only hiring her, but defending her in the face of criticism, is just incredibly baffling.

ancapailldorcha

Knex. wrote: »

Yeah, even taking the racism stuff aside, which is hard to do when displayed at this level, she comes across as a fairly psychotic and unhealthy person in general.

I'm pretty sure that any psychologist would have field day trawling through her tweets, videos and other social media content.

I'm also quite comfortable stating that she's not a well balanced person, nor is she pleasant to be around. (youdontsay.jpg)

NYT going ahead and not only hiring her, but defending her in the face of criticism, is just incredibly baffling.

I don't know whether it's some sort of play to appeal to millenials who tend to eschew newspapers or to go with shock-based, clickbait identity politics.

Yeah, definitely a whiff of mental instability off her alright. Like a child in a library who screams at the top of her lungs simply for attention. Could be a persona or something but that seems unlikely.

The NYT is meant to be a serious paper so if they intend to go down the Guardian route then that's quite disappointing.

keffiyeh

givyjoe wrote: »

keffiyeh wrote: »

Did NYT fire Roseanne? No. Different companies different standards, seems very obvious.

Oh dear.. are you not aware of the NYT sacking staff for racist tweets previously? But letting this one go?

Oh dear... What do you even care what's happening in the states, radicalized right troll?

Billy86

2 Scoops wrote: »

That's a great spiel Billy, you've gone and defined the "alt-right" as Neo Nazi's then go onto say boards posters are spouting alt right nonsense. I don't see anyone on boards posting Neo Nazi views and if people did they'd be banned. My opinion is you're trying to equate those with different views, as an example those who have strong issues with Islam ( the vast majority of posters on those threads ) as alt right and without even realizing you've just gone and proved the point Professore was making.

Plenty of people have been banned off Boards for white supremacist and neo Nazi posts, some of which were permanent and some of which were temporary - and many of them had repeat offenses before anything was even done. You know this, so does everyone else reading this, and so there is no point in trying and to pretend otherwise.

We even had one of them decide to name his account after the mascot of the alt right, Pepe Frog. And like clockwork, while he hasn't posted here in the last few weeks he has mysteriously someone with identical posting tendencies has taken his place.

You will also note that I explicitly pointed out that I was not saying professore (who is also highly critical of Islam if I recall) is part of the alt-right in my post - yet you appear to have ignored that because it doesn't really work very well with your attempt to incorrectly frame it as "everyone who disagrees with me is alt right". Why is that?

Keepaneye

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Don't be.


On Trump:



On Richard Spencer:



On Ben Shapiro:

Wonder will there be a witty retort to this one that goes above "alt-right". I imagine there won't be.

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Billy86 wrote: »

Plenty of people have been banned off Boards for white supremacist and neo Nazi posts, some of which were permanent and some of which were temporary - and many of them had repeat offenses before anything was even done. You know this, so does everyone else reading this, and so there is no point in trying and to pretend otherwise.

Ok I'll accept that, will your accept there are also people who are unjustifiably smeared by the term.

givyjoe

keffiyeh wrote: »

Oh dear... What do you even care what's happening in the states, radicalized right troll?

Excuse me?! I'm a radicalised right troll?!

I'll take as a no, you're not aware of the blatant double standards I'm referring to. Thanks for confirming.

Billy86

2 Scoops wrote: »

Ok I'll accept that, will your accept there are also people who are unjustifiably smeared by the term.

Sure it definitely does happen, and it's interesting how much of that may or may not be an offshoot of the alt-right's major early successes through the likes of InfoWars and Breitbart, in trying to 'blend in' with the rest of the crowd that had people calling themselves alt right in 2015 and 2016 who actually had very little in common with them at all. We saw this with posters on boards, through many parts of Europe, and of course in the US where they've successfully used that to become interwoven with a good few elements of the Republican party.

All in all though, that was not the point that professore was making which I responded to, which was to claim that the "alt right is a totally made up term to make the American right sound worse" - we can agree that that is categorically incorrect.

professore

Billy86 wrote: »

Honest question here, where did you read that?

I didn't read it. I just assumed it was something the American left wing media had come up with as to be honest I have only heard them use that term over and over. They used to say far right / neo nazi which meant KKK and white supremacist stormfront types. These are a tiny proportion of the US so for there to be suddenly such a huge group I assumed it had to be fake. My mistake, I was wrong. This Richard Spenser seems like an evil bastard - to conflate someone like Ben Shapiro or even Donald trump with him is utterly ridiculous.

I said about 2016 as a previous poster said this is when it was coined.

I still stand by that the US media is making this group out to be much larger than it actually is.

Billy86

As for this Jeong one, I had never heard of her before this thread and would happily not hear of her again after. Best case scenario there is that she's a clickbait troll like Katie Hopkins who doesn't actually believe much of what they say for 'shock' value, and frankly that's something we could all do without. Worse case scenario, she's an extremist nutjob who we'd be better off not letting on top of a very large soap box.

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Billy86 wrote: »

Best case scenario there is that she's a clickbait troll like Katie Hopkins who doesn't actually believe much of what they say for 'shock' value, and frankly that's something we could all do without. Worse case scenario, she's an extremist nutjob who we'd be better off not letting on top of a very large soap box.

I'd bet with a very high degree of certainty it's the latter. This type of indoctrination seems common on college campuses in the states.

professore

Billy86 wrote: »

You will also note that I explicitly pointed out that I was not saying professor

I should hope not as I don't even know what it means!

Billy86 wrote: »

(who is also highly critical of Islam if I recall) is part of the alt-right in my post

I am equally critical of the Catholic Church, feminism, communism, fascism, scientology etc. Anywhere there is exploitation and bigotry ESPECIALLY where the media and governments cover it up, for example the mother and baby homes or organised sexual abuse of children which happened here with the church and in the UK with Muslim grooming gangs, and in both places the government and media condoned it.

Same here with this hateful woman.

professore

Billy86 wrote: »

As for this Jeong one, I had never heard of her before this thread and would happily not hear of her again after. Best case scenario there is that she's a clickbait troll like Katie Hopkins who doesn't actually believe much of what they say for 'shock' value, and frankly that's something we could all do without. Worse case scenario, she's an extremist nutjob who we'd be better off not letting on top of a very large soap box.

I agree, however Katie Hopkins writes for the Mail Online which doesn't pretend to be fair and impartial and a paper of record, unlike the NYT. If she stayed with the huff post or whatever then let her rant all she wants.

RasTa

Who feckin cares, doubt anyone in here has ever read the NYT. Same with Roseanne, never watched or had any interest in her show.

professore

RasTa wrote: »

Who feckin cares, doubt anyone in here has ever read the NYT. Same with Roseanne, never watched or had any interest in her show.

I used to watch her original show. It was big here back in the 80s. And that bitch does look white!

Sal Butamol

RasTa wrote: »

Who feckin cares, doubt anyone in here has ever read the NYT. Same with Roseanne, never watched or had any interest in her show.

The guy in your signature would care.

RasTa

professore wrote: »

I used to watch her original show. It was big here back in the 80s. And that bitch does look white!

Yeah she got cancelled from her new show, meh couldn't care less. Weird stuff to be discussing in Ireland

Sal Butamol wrote: »

The guy in your signature would care.

Hunter? He would have shot trump himself already.

gw80

RasTa wrote: »

Who feckin cares, doubt anyone in here has ever read the NYT. Same with Roseanne, never watched or had any interest in her show.

I wouldn't be so quick to shrug off this unhealthy trend that's creeping into American society.
This ideology is of hatred for "the white man is spreading into college's and university,s across American, and some of these kids are going to be the politicians and policy makers of the future, granted, probably most of the "social studies" students will not come to much other than lifelong activists and college go,ers.
California for example is a very left wing, green, open border state, and that's no coincidence due to the very strong and large hippy culture of the 60s in California, those hippy and their kids are now all grown up and are in position of government making policys and laws.

And things that happen in America can have consequences for Ireland with our dependency on American multinational companies.

Brian?

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Don't be.


On Trump:



On Richard Spencer:



On Ben Shapiro:

Swing and a miss. None of those judgements were based on tweets.

Brian?

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

I think Outlaw Pete has covered that

He does in his bollocks. None of that was me judging people based on their tweets. None of it.

You and Pete can shift the goal posts, but no do any make you right. I stand by all those opinions.

Taytoland

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Brian? wrote: »

I’m actually disgusted by this accusation or hypocrisy and how many people thanked it.

Don't be.


On Trump:

Brian? wrote: »

He's a bigot because he's a racist, misogynist and xenophobic.

On Richard Spencer:

Brian? wrote: »

Punching people is wrong. Seeing a neo nazi punched, hilarious.

On Ben Shapiro:

Brian? wrote: »

....that doesn’t actually matter to me, it’s how he uses his freedom of expression I have an issue with. He fans the flames of hatred. He doesn’t even bother with racist dog whistles.

To me, he’s a hate filled, pig ignorant demagogue.

A conservative gives a conservative view point, it's deemed hate filled, bigoted. A left winger gives views and it's progressive, liberal, tolerant, all nonsense of course.

Outlaw Pete

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

Candace Owens

Unbelievably, earlier today, as she was eating breakfast, Antifa showed up and chanted 'Fcuk White Supremacy' at her :P


https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1026458985967153153

Brian?

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Someone's feeling especially precious today.

I can’t stand being called a hypocrite. How is that precious?

Brian?

Taytoland wrote: »

A conservative gives a conservative view point, it's deemed hate filled, bigoted. A left winger gives views and it's progressive, liberal, tolerant, all nonsense of course.

What conservative. None of Trump, Shapiro or Spencer are conservatives.

Taytoland

Brian? wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

A conservative gives a conservative view point, it's deemed hate filled, bigoted. A left winger gives views and it's progressive, liberal, tolerant, all nonsense of course.

What conservative. None of Trump, Shapiro or Spencer are conservatives.

Shapiro is absolutely a conservative. So many of his views are deeply rooted in traditional conservatism.

Sal Butamol

Brian? wrote: »

I can’t stand being called a hypocrite. How is that precious?

Maybe think before you post absolutely hypocritical statements in future and then whine about it when multiple people pull you for it

WinnyThePoo

professore wrote: »

What are you talking about???? What victimhood narrative? I don't speak SJW sorry.

Just seen this. You admitted you don't have the slightest clue about the term. Which is hilarious considering you made assertions that people using it( Spencer and co) are not the ones using it.

You made the claim that the term alt right didn't exist before 2016. As you said though, your ignorant to the term. So you where literally making up stuff as you go along.

DickSwiveller Returns

Brian? wrote: »

He does in his bollocks. None of that was me judging people based on their tweets. None of it.

You and Pete can shift the goal posts, but no do any make you right. I stand by all those opinions.

What difference does it make if it's tweets. If it was one or two fair enough. But she wrote these things repeatedly over a long period.

keffiyeh

professore wrote: »

Alt right is a totally made up term to make the American right sound worse. It didn't exist before 2016 and guess what... it still doesn't exist.

Absolutely incorrect. It started in 2014 with Gamergate, although MRA's existed prior. It quickly picked up anti-islamic/African American sentiment along the way. They are absolutely real, and can frequently be found around Confederate statues in the US, like the worst game of Pokemon Go Ever.

DickSwiveller Returns

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Unbelievably, earlier today, as she was eating breakfast, Antifa showed up and chanted 'Fcuk White Supremacy' at her :P


https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1026458985967153153

Lock those scumbags up. Surely that constitutes harassment.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Unbelievably, earlier today, as she was eating breakfast, Antifa showed up and chanted 'Fcuk White Supremacy' at her :P


https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1026458985967153153

Last time such a large number of white people stopped a black woman from breakfast was the 1950’s.

20Cent

jmayo wrote: »

So please tell us which of the following below you find funny?

I am substituting other groups in place of the ones this so called journalist/commentator used in her original tweet of 28 Nov 2014.



I would like to know how come some people can find the first ones very offensive, but the last one seems to be satire or somehow acceptable?









Maybe it is me being somewhat old fashioned, oh and an old white guy, but I find all of them uncalled for, equally disparaging and yes offensive.

Never heard of her don't read the NYT so couldn't care less.

Brian?

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

What difference does it make if it's tweets. If it was one or two fair enough. But she wrote these things repeatedly over a long period.

You accused me of hypocrisy because I was refusing to judge someone based on their tweets. I pointed out I’d n bet judge someone based on their tweets. You accused me of hypocrisy again. I challenged you to provide proof. Outlaw Pete found some quotes about right wing people I don’t like. This had nothing to do with what I said.

I don’t judge anyone from the content of their tweets. That was my entire point. I didn’t say this Jeong woman wasn’t racist. I said I needed to see more.

So apologize or find proof. Simple.

DickSwiveller Returns

Brian? wrote: »

You accused me of hypocrisy because I was refusing to judge someone based on their tweets. I pointed out I’d n bet judge someone based on their tweets. You accused me of hypocrisy again. I challenged you to provide proof. Outlaw Pete found some quotes about right wing people I don’t like. This had nothing to do with what I said.

I don’t judge anyone from the content of their tweets. That was my entire point. I didn’t say this Jeong woman wasn’t racist. I said I needed to see more.

So apologize or find proof. Simple.

I did apologise.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Anyway, really bad “optics” as the yanks say for the antifa movement. Utterly dumb.

If you were to infiltrate them you couldn’t do more harm. Maybe they have been infiltrated.