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Hector Savage

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Nope, i don't see the muppets who marched down oconnell street recently as a threat to peace in Ireland either. I still don't think they should be allowed to march though.

I agree I wouldn't want them to march, for keeping the peace reasons.
But there are dopes that will say this is the greatest threat to security in the west in the coming years.

ohnonotgmail

Hector Savage wrote: »

I agree I wouldn't want them to march, for keeping the peace reasons.
But there are dopes that will say this is the greatest threat to security in the west in the coming years.

who are these "dopes" and what exactly do you mean by "this"?

Timberrrrrrrr

Hector Savage wrote: »

I agree I wouldn't want them to march, for keeping the peace reasons.
But there are dopes that will say this is the greatest threat to security in the west in the coming years.

The greatest threat to the west is the west.

MrFresh

Hector Savage wrote: »

I agree I wouldn't want them to march, for keeping the peace reasons.
But there are dopes that will say this is the greatest threat to security in the west in the coming years.

Greatest threat to democracy and human rights maybe.

Former Observer

So much facepalm in this thread.

hcf500

Former Observer wrote: »

So much facepalm in this thread.

And facsists!

KerryGoat

to be fair the guy said some awful/absurd things it was only a matter of time before someone thought he would overstep the line.

hcf500

KerryGoat wrote: »

to be fair the guy said some awful/absurd things it was only a matter of time before someone thought he would overstep the line.

Who?

hcf500

Tommy Robinson and Carl Benjamin have both had their twitter accounts suspended. They are vile right wing Nazis and should not be given any platform to speak. Benjamin says "its ok to rape young boys"!

Dohnjoe

Hector Savage wrote: »

I agree I wouldn't want them to march, for keeping the peace reasons.
But there are dopes that will say this is the greatest threat to security in the west in the coming years.

What's the name of the fallacy again, the one where you try to validate something by claiming "well, it isnt the greatest threat to mankind"..

It's fascist neo-nazi ****, stop making excuses for it. Whether someone comes straight out with it or whether someone like McInnes "dresses" it up with jokes - it's the same vile motivations underneath

Dohnjoe

hcf500 wrote: »

Tommy Robinson and Carl Benjamin have both had their twitter accounts suspended. They are vile right wing Nazis and should not be given any platform to speak. Benjamin says "its ok to rape young boys"!

"They are just being taken out of context"

"Just because someone devotes their entire life fixated on race and immigrants and associates with white supremacists and neo-nazi's doesn't mean they agree with them! look he strategically disassociates with them here! and look he said "just kidding" there! and observe how they have some black members!"

Sorry I know it's bit crude, but I am just picking up this new age far-right apologism thing

VicMackey1

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"They are just being taken out of context"

"Just because someone devotes their entire life fixated on race and immigrants and associates with white supremacists and neo-nazi's doesn't mean they agree with them! look he strategically disassociates with them here! and look he said "just kidding" there! and observe how they have some black members!"

Sorry I know it's bit crude, but I am just picking up this new age far-right apologism thing

lol. Carl Benjamin is suing The Sun and the Daily Mail for alleging that he made these comments! They went even further than just taking it out of context. They picked quotes from about 4 or 5 different videos by Carl Benjamin and stitched them together to portray it as 1 entire quote! There is a video by Carl Benjamin in which he highlights each quote that was stitched together but I won't bother posting that.

@hfc500 Maybe you should find better sources than The Sun and The Daily Mail!

MrFresh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

What's the name of the fallacy again, the one where you try to validate something by claiming "well, it isnt the greatest threat to mankind"..

It's fascist neo-nazi ****, stop making excuses for it. Whether someone comes straight out with it or whether someone like McInnes "dresses" it up with jokes - it's the same vile motivations underneath

Relative Privation

hcf500

VicMackey1 wrote: »

lol. Carl Benjamin is suing The Sun and the Daily Mail for alleging that he made these comments! They went even further than just taking it out of context. They picked quotes from about 4 or 5 different videos by Carl Benjamin and stitched them together to portray it as 1 entire quote! There is a video by Carl Benjamin in which he highlights each quote that was stitched together but I won't bother posting that.

@hfc500 Maybe you should find better sources than The Sun and The Daily Mail!

Doesn't really matter. Those were quotes from him! If he said it, he said it! How can the comment "its ok to rape young boys" be twisted to make it look any worse for him? You really need to take off the blinkers.

Billy86

hcf500 wrote: »

Tommy Robinson and Carl Benjamin have both had their twitter accounts suspended. They are vile right wing Nazis and should not be given any platform to speak. Benjamin says "its ok to rape young boys"!

And Tommy has a history of defending the type who rape young boys.

Just so long as they're white.

MrFresh

VicMackey1 wrote: »

That sh*te is taken out of context completely. People should be very wary of how videos are edited. The Covington High School video being a perfect example Maybe you should look up the person that posted that video, Vic Berger

I had a look at the video. First, it hardly addresses anything in the other video. Second, the context of what it does address doesn't improve anything. Third, it's basically just an attack on the video maker of the first vido. That's called an ad hominem attack. It's purpose is to draw attention away from the substance of the video. It attempts to do so pretty poorly.

VicMackey1

MrFresh wrote: »

I had a look at the video. First, it hardly addresses anything in the other video. Second, the context of what it does address doesn't improve anything. Third, it's basically just an attack on the video maker of the first vido. That's called an ad hominem attack. It's purpose is to draw attention away from the substance of the video. It attempts to do so pretty poorly.

Did you look at part 2? The long one. Its addresses every clip!

MrFresh

VicMackey1 wrote: »

Did you look at part 2? The long one. Its addresses every clip!

I'm two minutes into that one and he is currently comparing being a Trump supporter to being a black person fighting against segregation. So far, context not really doing much.

splashuum

Basically anyone who opposes a leftists opinion is a Nazi. They will be a laughing stock for many many years to come.

PopePalpatine

MrFresh wrote: »

I'm two minutes into that one and he is currently comparing being a Trump supporter to being a black person fighting against segregation. So far, context not really doing much.

Don't you know irony causes unfaithfulness in the females?

Sonics2k

splashuum wrote: »

Basically anyone who opposes a leftists opinion is a Nazi. They will be a laughing stock for many many years to come.

Man that's so weird. Just earlier some guy was saying the Nazi's were leftists.

It's good to know we get around and have friends I guess.

MrFresh

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Don't you know irony causes unfaithfulness in the females?

13 minutes in and his context arguments fall into two categories. He was either "trolling" or talking about "self defence". That's it.

hcf500

MrFresh wrote: »

13 minutes in and his context arguments fall into two categories. He was either "trolling" or talking about "self defence". That's it.

Trolling is comedy to some people apparently, how anyone finds that crap funny is beyond me. Self defense is used by gangs like these as a reason for violence. A get out of jail free card

Billy86

MrFresh wrote: »

13 minutes in and his context arguments fall into two categories. He was either "trolling" or talking about "self defence". That's it.

And to cycle back to my very first post in response to this week's "just watch the video"...

Billy86 wrote: »

Let me guess... In all those videos where he repeatedly calls for violence - violence which on many occasions he then took part in - he was "only joking"?

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Good to know I didn't waste any time. Like I said, a truly remarkably predictable lot.

Just like how they are so eager to deflect and ignore the likes of Farrakan and Saoradh also being banned, Alex Jones banning plenty of people off his forums for breaking the rules, McInnes' proud boys trying to organise to have others banned off twitter, and in and on it goes.

This has nothing to do with free speech whatsoever, and nobody has done a better job of making that clear than the very people screaming "free speech".

batgoat

splashuum wrote: »

Basically anyone who opposes a leftists opinion is a Nazi. They will be a laughing stock for many many years to come.

Do you think there's anything Nazi-ish about attending the Charlottesville march which had an attendance of Nazis and white supremacists?

hcf500

All it takes is proper good research and fact checking and you can easily discredit these Nazis. People are easily fooled

KSU

hcf500 wrote: »

Tommy Robinson and Carl Benjamin have both had their twitter accounts suspended.

Actually it was a Tommy Robinson Campaign account he was already banned.

I do find it a little bit ironic (before I start I want to categorically state that I in no way support him in any shape or form) that people yell fascism yet see no issue with an MEP (or any campaign candidate) can be censored on a platform that is a driving platform for politics.

Could this be seen as interfering with elections on Twitters behalf?

hcf500

KSU wrote: »

Actually it was a Tommy Robinson Campaign account he was already banned.

I do find it a little bit ironic (before I start I want to categorically state that I in no way support him in any shape or form) that people yell fascism yet see no issue with an MEP (or any campaign candidate) can be censored on a platform that is a driving platform for politics.

Could this be seen as interfering with elections on Twitters behalf?

Ideally there should be no need for election interference because the likes of TR and CB should not be allowed to run for MEP

super_furry

KSU wrote: »

Could this be seen as interfering with elections on Twitters behalf?

No they're enforcing their code of conduct. It's not Twitter's fault that a racist and a man who talks about raping MPs are somehow standing for election.

KSU

hcf500 wrote: »

Ideally there should be no need for election interference because the likes of TR and CB should not be allowed to run for MEP

The undermines the democratic process, as British citizen he is well within his rights to stand as

super_furry wrote: »

No they're enforcing their code of conduct. It's not Twitter's fault that a racist and a man who talks about raping MPs are somehow standing for election.

The campaign one was banned for ban evasion though which was not true as it was not a personal account so was within the rules

No issue around his original account ban but the inconsistency in how twitter implements these terms has been heavily criticized in recent times for having a clear left wing bias

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZCBRHOg3PQ

Billy86

KSU wrote: »

Actually it was a Tommy Robinson Campaign account he was already banned.

I do find it a little bit ironic (before I start I want to categorically state that I in no way support him in any shape or form) that people yell fascism yet see no issue with an MEP (or any campaign candidate) can be censored on a platform that is a driving platform for politics.

Could this be seen as interfering with elections on Twitters behalf?

No. Obviously not.

If gemma O'Doherty started an account on boards and started breaking the rules left, right and centre she would eventually be banned too. As happens to users on boards all the time.

Because boards, just like Twitter, is a private company with their own rules that users must adhere to. Having a larger user base does not mean they are not allowed to enforce theirs rules, nor do they have a monopoly on the internet. Just in case that was the next point.

hcf500

KSU wrote: »

The undermines the democratic process, as British citizen he is well within his rights to stand as



The campaign one was banned for ban evasion though which was not true as it was not a personal account so was within the rules

No issue around his original account ban but the inconsistency in how twitter implements these terms has been heavily criticized in recent times for having a clear left wing bias

How are you going to defend Carl Benjamin saying that it was ok to rape young boys! Anyone that says something should not be allowed to stand for election. They should be locked up

manual_man

FrostyJack wrote: »

How the Nazi's came up with the name national socialist was to trick people like you into thinking that is what they were. North Korea is call the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, is that a democratic society or is it just a name?

And Antifa(anti-fascists)?

super_furry

He was banned in 2017 for targetted abuse. He was banned again for trying to evade that ban with a new account. Meanwhile outside of Twitter, he's debating whether or not he'd rape a member or parlament.

And your argument against banning appears to be a three and a half hour video. Forgive me if I pass on that one, the football's about to kick off.

Sweetemotion

What's going here, why are words being censored or muted in this video?

Billy86

super_furry wrote: »

And your argument against banning appears to be a three and a half hour video. Forgive me if I pass on that one, the football's about to kick off.

Tldr: he was only joking, and when he wasn't joking it was self defense he meant, and he's not a violent extremist because AntiFa are violent extremists, and here are some bad things about other 0eople because that also proves he isn't one.

There. Done. Saved you the whole length of the match, extra time, penalties and a 15 round sudden death shootout. I cannot save you from Spurs supporters laughing even if arsenal win though, sorry.

WinnyThePoo

Sweetemotion wrote: »

What's going here, why are words being censored or muted in this video?

Who's going to watch that?.... Nobody

Sweetemotion

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Who's going to watch that?.... Nobody

It has almost 54,000 views already, so some one is watching it.:rolleyes:

hcf500

Sweetemotion wrote: »

It has almost 54,000 views already, so some one is watching it.:rolleyes:

Im not going to watch that video. Ive seen that fella on the right before, Michael Knowles. He is a far right fascist and need to be shut down. Wouldn't you know he was pro Trump

Sweetemotion

hcf500 wrote: »

Im not going to watch that video. Ive seen that fella on the right before, Michael Knowles. He is a far right fascist and need to be shut down. Wouldn't you know he was pro Trump

:rolleyes:

hcf500

Sweetemotion wrote: »

:rolleyes:

And your argument is what?

Bobblehats

Where’s the Danny Baker thread

hcf500

Reading back on some of this thread I see Antifa getting a lot of abuse. They are not a violent gang like the proud boys. They are there for peaceful protest but what are they supposed to do when they are attacked by a bunch of goons?

Timberrrrrrrr

hcf500 wrote: »

Reading back on some of this thread I see Antifa getting a lot of abuse. They are not a violent gang like the proud boys. They are there for peaceful protest but what are they supposed to do when they are attacked by a bunch of goons?

Hmmmm so far your

"Not anti vax but"

And now

"Antifa are peaceful protesters "

:rolleyes:

KSU

hcf500 wrote: »

How are you going to defend Carl Benjamin saying that it was ok to rape young boys! Anyone that says something should not be allowed to stand for election. They should be locked up

I am in no way defending him. What I am saying is until he is locked up he is perfectly entitled to run for office, whether people should vote for him or not, and whether I feel personally he should hold a position is a different matter.

My point was that can't pick and chose how the process works just to suit our own views. That is not a democratic process

super_furry wrote: »

He was banned in 2017 for targetted abuse. He was banned again for trying to evade that ban with a new account. Meanwhile outside of Twitter, he's debating whether or not he'd rape a member or parlament.

And your argument against banning appears to be a three and a half hour video. Forgive me if I pass on that one, the football's about to kick off.

The video was not as a way of arguing against banning TR it is actually a good back and forth where Twitter CEO and head of legal are basically called out dichotomy in how they treat the right and the left on the platform (as well as interaction between government policies and their own in specific countries etc. Worth a watch/listen if anyone has couple of hours to kill.

KSU

hcf500 wrote: »

Reading back on some of this thread I see Antifa getting a lot of abuse. They are not a violent gang like the proud boys. They are there for peaceful protest but what are they supposed to do when they are attacked by a bunch of goons?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNz2jGzsDA

WinnyThePoo

Sweetemotion wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Who's going to watch that?.... Nobody

It has almost 54,000 views already, so some one is watching it.:rolleyes:

54,000 Dullards I suppose.

hcf500

Ha! Stephen Crowder. Another extremist that is about to be banned from social media. Have you any reputable sources?

VicMackey1

hcf500 wrote: »

All it takes is proper good research and fact checking and you can easily discredit these Nazis. People are easily fooled

Says the poster using The Daily Mail as a source to discredit vaccines! Hillarious

KSU

hcf500 wrote: »

Ha! Stephen Crowder. Another extremist that is about to be banned from social media. Have you any reputable sources?

By reputable I presume you mean left wing?

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/12/17681986/antifa-leftist-violence-clashes-protests-charlottesville-dc-unite-the-right

Well about as left wing as you can get and even Vox couldn't put a spin on it