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VicMackey1

hcf500 wrote: »

How are you going to defend Carl Benjamin saying that it was ok to rape young boys! Anyone that says something should not be allowed to stand for election. They should be locked up

CONTEXT! That is not what he said!! So anyone right of left should no be allowed to stand for election. That is fascism 101!

splashuum

Barney the dinasour would be labeled an “extremist” in this current climate.
Nigel Farage’s party is about to romp the EU elections and I’m sure the majority here would call him a “fascist”.

If “fascists”/“racists” like Trump and Nigel are so popular? Does that mean the majority of the UK and USA are all right wing extremists ? ðŸ˜

ohnonotgmail

splashuum wrote: »

Barney the dinasour would be labeled an “extremist” in this current climate.
Nigel Farage’s party is about to romp the EU elections and I’m sure the majority here would call him a “fascist”.

If fascist/racists like Trump and Nigel are so popular? Does that mean the majority of the UK and USA are all right wing extremists ? ðŸ˜

You mean the Nigel that failed to get elected as an MP i think 8 times now? Fierce popular altogether.

KSU

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

You mean the Nigel that failed to get elected as an MP i think 8 times now? Fierce popular altogether.

Aren't his new Brexit party topping the opinion polls currently in the UK?

splashuum

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

splashuum wrote: »

Barney the dinasour would be labeled an “extremist” in this current climate.
Nigel Farage’s party is about to romp the EU elections and I’m sure the majority here would call him a “fascist”.

If fascist/racists like Trump and Nigel are so popular? Does that mean the majority of the UK and USA are all right wing extremists ? ðŸ˜

You mean the Nigel that failed to get elected as an MP i think 8 times now? Fierce popular altogether.

Your obviously not keeping up with modern politics so not worth debating with.

Billy86

VicMackey1 wrote: »

CONTEXT! That is not what he said!! So anyone right of left should no be allowed to stand for election. That is fascism 101!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/07/police-investigating-ukip-candidate-youtube-carl-benjamin-jess-phillip
Benjamin, who is known online as Sargon of Akkad, uploaded a clip to YouTube last month where he added to his original comments.

He said: “There’s been an awful lot of talk about whether I would or wouldn’t rape Jess Phillips. I suppose with enough pressure I might cave, but let’s be honest nobody’s got that much beer.”

"He was only joking!" in 3... 2... 1...

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

VicMackey1

Billy86 wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/07/police-investigating-ukip-candidate-youtube-carl-benjamin-jess-phillip
Benjamin, who is known online as Sargon of Akkad, uploaded a clip to YouTube last month where he added to his original comments.

He said: “There’s been an awful lot of talk about whether I would or wouldn’t rape Jess Phillips. I suppose with enough pressure I might cave, but let’s be honest nobody’s got that much beer.”

"He was only joking!" in 3... 2... 1...

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Thats not what I posted about. I posted about the supposed comment "its ok to rape young boys". Whats your view on that?

Billy86

splashuum wrote: »

Barney the dinasour would be labeled an “extremist” in this current climate.

Hate to break it to you, but right wingers have already been there since the 1990s when it comes to the "gay, commie, liberal agenda" man in a pink dinosaur suit.

Billy86

VicMackey1 wrote: »

Thats not what I posted about. I posted about the supposed comment "its ok to rape young boys". Whats your view on that?

Reprehensible if true, though I've not read much on it.

What's your view on him saying he would rape a woman if he had enough encouragement?

Dohnjoe

VicMackey1 wrote: »

Thats not what I posted about. I posted about the supposed comment "its ok to rape young boys". Whats your view on that?

So you have an excuse or "context" for the below comment? If not, do you think there is anything wrong with the below?

“There’s been an awful lot of talk about whether I would or wouldn’t rape Jess Phillips. I suppose with enough pressure I might cave, but let’s be honest nobody’s got that much beer.”

4068ac1elhodqr

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

You mean the Nigel that failed to get elected as an MP i think 8 times now? Fierce popular altogether.

Regardless of what you/anyone personally thinks, sensible logic now dictates that TBP are now clear favourites in the EE in the UK (to win most seats).

I backed them at 2.2 last month, if you were to walk into any bookie today for your 100 investment the most you'd get back in total would be 117.
The majority would only offer you 1.05 (5 profit for every 100 speculated).

Less likely, but also have NF to become their PM during 2019 at 67.0, just for the bantz. (Avg price today is 23.0).

It's the many folks who hold unrealistic hard/skewed left views that help me benefit from actual reality when it arrives. Still laugh to this day, at getting 1,000% ROI (live exchange/book variance) on Trump's election night. Many thanks!

ohnonotgmail

splashuum wrote: »

Your obviously not keeping up with modern politics so not worth debating with.

remind me what elections he has won recently?

ohnonotgmail

Lilah Defeated Pediatrics wrote: »

Regardless of what you/anyone personally thinks, sensible logic now dictates that TBP are now clear favourites in the EE in the UK (to win most seats).

I backed them at 2.2 last month, if you were to walk into any bookie today for your 100 investment the most you'd get back in total would be 117.
The majority would only offer you 1.05 (5 profit for every 100 speculated).

Less likely, but also have NF to become their PM during 2019 at 67.0, just for the bantz. (Avg price today is 23.0).

It's the many folks who hold unrealistic hard/skewed left views that help me benefit from actual reality when it arrives. Still laugh to this day, at getting 1,000% ROI (live exchange/book variance) on Trump's election night. Many thanks!

win seats to a parliament they are against and will be leaving soon?

Sweetemotion

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

win seats to a parliament they are against and will be leaving soon?

That's exactly why they have people voting for them

Outlaw Pete

mcmoustache wrote: »

Today is the day he truly became President.

To some, maybe, but most everyone else accepted it the day of his inauguration.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

None of these people are far right IMO.

But the people that share videos from them are?? That's essentially what you're suggesting.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Ultimately though, it's a creed based on feelings and the validation of said feelings. There's a reason videos from the likes of Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro are so widely shared. They give these people that special feeling of being right.

These people? So people who share a Shapiro video are far right supporters now? And when they do share their videos (to support their argument) they only feel right? lol

It takes little and the arguments presented rely heavily on lazy generalisatons at best and outright nastiness and threats at worst.

Look who's talking. You're posting some pretty big generallistaltions your self there, chief.

mcmoustache

hcf500 wrote: »

All it takes is proper good research and fact checking and you can easily discredit these Nazis. People are easily fooled

Unfortunately we live in a time where you can point at a guy wearing a swastica armband, giving a roman salute to a black guy swinging from a tree and if you call him racist, people, including in here, will argue with you.

Billy86

mcmoustache wrote: »

Unfortunately we live in a time where you can point at a guy wearing a swastica armband, giving a roman salute to a black guy swinging from a tree and if you call him racist, people, including in here, will argue with you.

Well to be fair, that white robe and hood was taken out of context. It was a joke to do with laundry day, and you're a fascist for not agreeing with that! And when you really think about it mcmoustache, doesn't that make you the racist?

VicMackey1

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So you have an excuse or "context" for the below comment? If not, do you think there is anything wrong with the below?

“There’s been an awful lot of talk about whether I would or wouldn’t rape Jess Phillips. I suppose with enough pressure I might cave, but let’s be honest nobody’s got that much beer.”

I think it is a bit distasteful but no different to something that Frankie Boyle might say! It is obvious that he is not being serious and trying instead to be funny (nobodys got that much beer). Whether you find it funny or not, censoring somebody because of a rape joke is a step too far. Should we censor Ricky Gervais too? Comedy would get very dull if its content is restricted!

Billy86

VicMackey1 wrote: »

I think it is a bit distasteful but no different to something that Frankie Boyle might say! It is obvious that he is not being serious and trying instead to be funny (nobodys got that much beer). Whether you find it funny or not, censoring somebody because of a rape joke is a step too far. Should we censor Ricky Gervais too? Comedy would get very dull if its content is restricted!

Oh, so it was all only a joke when he threatened to rape a political opponent?

Well that certainly wasn't predictable.

Dohnjoe

VicMackey1 wrote: »

I think it is a bit distasteful but no different to something that Frankie Boyle might say! It is obvious that he is not being serious and trying instead to be funny (nobodys got that much beer). Whether you find it funny or not, censoring somebody because of a rape joke is a step too far. Should we censor Ricky Gervais too? Comedy would get very dull if its content is restricted!

How do you tell the difference between a comedian and a political commentator who tries to "disguise" vile views with jokes?

VicMackey1

A couple of days ago twitter banned an account which made parody videos of Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. They are cracking down on comedy now! In fairness though, she is a parody of herself!

VicMackey1

Billy86 wrote: »

Oh, so it was all only a joke when he threatened to rape a political opponent?

Well that certainly wasn't predictable.

Seriously! You really think that was a genuine threat? If it was, he wouldn't be a very good rapist! Telling the whole world his plans of rape!

Just to be clear. I dont think any rapists are good!

VicMackey1

Dohnjoe wrote: »

How do you tell the difference between a comedian and a political commentator who tries to "disguise" vile views with jokes?

Tell me. Whats the punch line?

Dohnjoe

VicMackey1 wrote: »

Tell me. Whats the punch line?

Simple question, how do you know the difference?

VicMackey1

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Simple question, how do you know the difference?

Cant a person be a comedian and a political commentator?

20Cent

VicMackey1 wrote: »

Cant a person be a comedian and a political commentator?

How does one know when they are serious and when they are joking though?

batgoat

VicMackey1 wrote: »

Cant a person be a comedian and a political commentator?

Tbh, making the "joke" that he made just makes him sound like a dullard and scumbag. Do you think it's funny?

VicMackey1

hcf500 wrote: »

Reading back on some of this thread I see Antifa getting a lot of abuse. They are not a violent gang like the proud boys. They are there for peaceful protest but what are they supposed to do when they are attacked by a bunch of goons?

Antifa>Peaceful. You must be joking!

Billy86

VicMackey1 wrote: »

Seriously! You really think that was a genuine threat? If it was, he wouldn't be a very good rapist! Telling the whole world his plans of rape!

Just to be clear. I dont think any rapists are good!

It was a very, very obvious threat: keep opposing me and bad things will happen. It's the standard go-to for the odern far right, followed by "I was only joking!" followed by playing the victim card.

Over and over and over again. Almost like they're going off a playbook, or style guide, or something...

VicMackey1

Billy86 wrote: »

It was a very, very obvious threat: keep opposing me and bad things will happen. It's the standard go-to for the odern far right, followed by "I was only joking!" followed by playing the victim card.

Over and over and over again. Almost like they're going off a playbook, or style guide, or something...

It was a comment he made 3 years ago when he had no intention of running for MEP! The media brought it up again looking for an apology. How could it have had anything to do with opposing her!

VicMackey1

batgoat wrote: »

Tbh, making the "joke" that he made just makes him sound like a dullard and scumbag. Do you think it's funny?

No I dont think it is funny. Im sure I would find some rape jokes funny though

VicMackey1

20Cent wrote: »

How does one know when they are serious and when they are joking though?

The comment about the beer kinda gave it away as a joke! Not a very good one but an attempt at a joke however.

VicMackey1

hcf500 wrote: »

Im not going to watch that video. Ive seen that fella on the right before, Michael Knowles. He is a far right fascist and need to be shut down. Wouldn't you know he was pro Trump

If you don’t believe in free speech for people who you hate, fear and disagree with, then you don’t believe in free speech. Ricky Gervais

Dohnjoe

VicMackey1 wrote: »

Cant a person be a comedian and a political commentator?

"Subtle fascism isn't your strong suit is it, just kidding, no subtlety intended"

According to your logic that's just a (bad) joke. It's not a thinly-veiled insult towards you because I am a comedian, correct?

Billy86

VicMackey1 wrote: »

It was a comment he made 3 years ago when he had no intention of running for MEP! The media brought it up again looking for an apology. How could it have had anything to do with opposing her!

Please stop pretending that he had no political involvement nor engagement while simultaneously also churning out political videos and engaging in political topics. It's not fooling anyone. This happened in the 2015 during the gamergate fiasco which he was trying to label a feminist conspiracy... And when that MP challenged him, his reaction was to threaten to rape her.

You knew that too, that's the worst part.

So tell me is he also "only joking" when he referring to non white people as n*ggers, spicks and chinks? Was he "only joking" when he referred to a girl with downs syndrome as a "retard"? Was he "only joking" when he claimed that incel terrorist mass murders were the fault of feminists?

Like I said, clockwork with this bunch you support.

Dohnjoe

VicMackey1 wrote: »

No I dont think it is funny. Im sure I would find some rape jokes funny though

You think a convicted rapist can make a rape joke publicly? I mean if it's a joke, it's okay right?

Cienciano

VicMackey1 wrote: »

A couple of days ago twitter banned an account which made parody videos of Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. They are cracking down on comedy now! In fairness though, she is a parody of herself!

This took 1 simple google search to find. I think you know why it was banned, but as usual, ignored. I genuinely cannot get over why so many people want to paint themselves as a repressed victim.

VicMackey1

Billy86 wrote: »

Please stop pretending that he had no political involvement nor engagement while simultaneously also churning out political videos and engaging in political topics. It's not fooling anyone. This happened in the 2015 during the gamergate fiasco which he was trying to label a feminist conspiracy... And when that MP challenged him, his reaction was to threaten to rape her.

You knew that too, that's the worst part.

So tell me is he also "only joking" when he referring to non white people as n*ggers, spicks and chinks? Was he "only joking" when he referred to a girl with downs syndrome as a "retard"? Was he "only joking" when he claimed that incel terrorist mass murders were the fault of feminists?

Like I said, clockwork with this bunch you support.

Hang on a minute. I never said I support Carl Benjamin! I support his right to make a joke, even if it is a bad one. I support his right to run for MEP. If he called a person with downs syndrome a retard, that is awful. I dont support speech like that!

What I posted originaly about Benjamin was how the Sun and the Daily Mail quoted about 5 different comments by him, edited them, and stitched them together to make up a complete lie about him.

VicMackey1

Cienciano wrote: »

This took 1 simple google search to find. I think you know why it was banned, but as usual, ignored. I genuinely cannot get over why so many people want to paint themselves as a repressed victim.

It was a parody account and clearly marked as a parody account! The account used to engage in the conversation with political jokes. Do you think that was reason enough to ban it? Anyway, as I say, she is her own parody!

mcmoustache

Billy86 wrote: »

Well to be fair, that white robe and hood was taken out of context. It was a joke to do with laundry day, and you're a fascist for not agreeing with that! And when you really think about it mcmoustache, doesn't that make you the racist?

The real racist, I think. Or maybe the true racist.

manual_man

mcmoustache wrote: »

Unfortunately we live in a time where you can point at a guy wearing a swastica armband, giving a roman salute to a black guy swinging from a tree and if you call him racist, people, including in here, will argue with you.

Kind of disingenuous from you, no?

You make a point that is far from the reality we see. Are there some nazis/white supremacists? Yes. Are they large in number/have meaningful institutional power? No(and thank god for that).

Many fear mongers and extreme elements on the left are purposely trying to persuade people that these type of people are everywhere(waiting on every corner!). It's political, it's divisive. It's irresponsible. It's nothing new. And yes before you throw some whataboutism at me, yes i know Donald Trump can be divisive too. But i believe in calling out all instances of divisiveness. And frankly the left in this moment seems possessed by destructive identity politics, promoting the idea of the 'other' (namely all Trump supporters), and adopting an extreme authoritarian mindset, where everyone except those who subscribe completely to the progressive party mantra are fair game for attack, are excluded, doxxed, have their livelihoods threatened. It's fúcking frightening.

I'm all for battling nazis, and any type of supremacists. But at this point in time it is the left and it's authoritarian-esque binary focus that has me deeply worried. So i spend a lot of time pushing back on that. Inclusivity is a word you hear thrown about. But it's useless unless that includes healthy discourse when it comes to politics and political affiliation. Blanket labelling of people in horrible terms won't achieve that.

Dohnjoe

manual_man wrote: »

Kind of disingenuous from you, no?

You make a point that is far from the reality we see. Are there some nazis/white supremacists? Yes. Are they large in number/have meaningful institutional power? No(and thank god for that).

Many fear mongers and extreme elements on the left are purposely trying to persuade people that these type of people are everywhere(waiting on every corner!). It's political, it's divisive. It's irresponsible. It's nothing new. And yes before you throw some whataboutism at me, yes i know Donald Trump can be divisive too. But i believe in calling out all instances of divisiveness. And frankly the left in this moment seems possessed by destructive identity politics, promoting the idea of the 'other' (namely all Trump supporters), and adopting an extreme authoritarian mindset, where everyone except those who subscribe completely to the progressive party mantra are fair game for attack, are excluded, doxxed, have their livelihoods threatened. It's fúcking frightening.

I'm all for battling nazis, and any type of supremacists. But at this point in time it is the left and it's authoritarian-esque binary focus that has me deeply worried. So i spend a lot of time pushing back on that. Inclusivity is a word you hear thrown about. But it's useless unless that includes healthy discourse when it comes to politics and political affiliation. Blanket labelling of people in horrible terms won't achieve that.

So, if I am reading this correctly, you are against fringes from both sides?

stefanovich

manual_man wrote: »

Kind of disingenuous from you, no?

You make a point that is far from the reality we see. Are there some nazis/white supremacists? Yes. Are they large in number/have meaningful institutional power? No(and thank god for that).

Many fear mongers and extreme elements on the left are purposely trying to persuade people that these type of people are everywhere(waiting on every corner!). It's political, it's divisive. It's irresponsible. It's nothing new. And yes before you throw some whataboutism at me, yes i know Donald Trump can be divisive too. But i believe in calling out all instances of divisiveness. And frankly the left in this moment seems possessed by destructive identity politics, promoting the idea of the 'other' (namely all Trump supporters), and adopting an extreme authoritarian mindset, where everyone except those who subscribe completely to the progressive party mantra are fair game for attack, are excluded, doxxed, have their livelihoods threatened. It's fúcking frightening.

I'm all for battling nazis, and any type of supremacists. But at this point in time it is the left and it's authoritarian-esque binary focus that has me deeply worried. So i spend a lot of time pushing back on that. Inclusivity is a word you hear thrown about. But it's useless unless that includes healthy discourse when it comes to politics and political affiliation. Blanket labelling of people in horrible terms won't achieve that.

The only people it's okay to exclude now is white men. In fact, excluding white men is a great way to show off your inclusivity credentials.

Christy42

stefanovich wrote: »

The only people it's okay to exclude now is white men. In fact, excluding white men is a great way to show off your inclusivity credentials.

White men (of which I am one) seem to do pretty well in spite of being so badly excluded from everything.

There is a reason you push back against extremists. Attacks are becoming more common (Synagogue in the US, Charlottesville, NZ Mosque attack). Seems like a good thing to push back against those encouraging these sort of attacks (remember immediately the Australian far right party tried to blame immigration for that Mosque attack and away from the extremists who they want votes off).

ancapailldorcha

manual_man wrote: »

Kind of disingenuous from you, no?

You make a point that is far from the reality we see. Are there some nazis/white supremacists? Yes. Are they large in number/have meaningful institutional power? No(and thank god for that).

Many fear mongers and extreme elements on the left are purposely trying to persuade people that these type of people are everywhere(waiting on every corner!). It's political, it's divisive. It's irresponsible. It's nothing new. And yes before you throw some whataboutism at me, yes i know Donald Trump can be divisive too. But i believe in calling out all instances of divisiveness. And frankly the left in this moment seems possessed by destructive identity politics, promoting the idea of the 'other' (namely all Trump supporters), and adopting an extreme authoritarian mindset, where everyone except those who subscribe completely to the progressive party mantra are fair game for attack, are excluded, doxxed, have their livelihoods threatened. It's fúcking frightening.

I'm all for battling nazis, and any type of supremacists. But at this point in time it is the left and it's authoritarian-esque binary focus that has me deeply worried. So i spend a lot of time pushing back on that. Inclusivity is a word you hear thrown about. But it's useless unless that includes healthy discourse when it comes to politics and political affiliation. Blanket labelling of people in horrible terms won't achieve that.

It's funny how only the left gets called out on it though whereas the right gets a completely free pass for indulging in white nationalism.

Nazis and white nationalists seldom identify as such. It's up to people to make up their own minds and as far as I can tell Donald Trump is certainly a white nationalist. As mcmoustache pointed out, you even see people here defending neo-Nazis but funnily enough the same people will condemn Muslims' right to practice their faith. For some people, free speech is fine if you're white.

stefanovich wrote: »

The only people it's okay to exclude now is white men. In fact, excluding white men is a great way to show off your inclusivity credentials.

I don't agree with exclusion but I can understand the urge when you see how much support Carl of Swindon, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and Mark Meechan command. People are judged for their actions. If you make crude edgy jokes about the holocaust or raping an MP when one was murdered on the street a few years ago then I have no problem calling you scum. You're responsible for your own actions and no amount of onanistic victimhood narratives designed to mitigate this responsibility will convince me otherwise.

ohnonotgmail

Cienciano wrote: »

This took 1 simple google search to find. I think you know why it was banned, but as usual, ignored. I genuinely cannot get over why so many people want to paint themselves as a repressed victim.

I missed that. what account was it?

stefanovich

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

as far as I can tell Donald Trump is certainly a white nationalist.

You don't sound certain. Whatever would lead you to believe he is a white nationalist? I have never seen any evidence to support this claim.

I have seen his political opponents suggest this and the pro democrat media. No evidence though.

I think Trump is treated like a boogey man. Project whatever you want on him and then you can feel good about hating him.

While you are at it why not buy several Trump hate books, these authors are totally not about making a quick buck on the wave of hysteria.

stefanovich

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't agree with exclusion but I can understand the urge when you see how much support Carl of Swindon, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and Mark Meechan command. People are judged for their actions. If you make crude edgy jokes about the holocaust or raping an MP when one was murdered on the street a few years ago then I have no problem calling you scum. You're responsible for your own actions and no amount of onanistic victimhood narratives designed to mitigate this responsibility will convince me otherwise.

The first 5 words are in response to my comment, the rest...

ancapailldorcha

stefanovich wrote: »

You don't sound certain. Whatever would lead you to believe he is a white nationalist? I have never seen any evidence to support this claim.

I have seen his political opponents suggest this and the pro democrat media. No evidence though.

I think Trump is treated like a boogey man. Project whatever you want on him and then you can feel good about hating him.

While you are at it why not buy several Trump hate books, these authors are totally not about making a quick buck on the wave of hysteria.

I'm open to the possibility that I might be wrong. It's part of being human. At the very least, I think he's a pretty loathsome human being with no redeeming qualities so I'm reluctant to spend too much time listening to him.

Dismissing dissenting opinion as being simply Trump hating makes for a very poor argument.

stefanovich

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'm open to the possibility that I might be wrong. It's part of being human. At the very least, I think he's a pretty loathsome human being with no redeeming qualities so I'm reluctant to spend too much time listening to him.

Dismissing dissenting opinion as being simply Trump hating makes for a very poor argument.

You just said you were certain he is a white nationalist but it appears this was not based on evidence but rather feeling or intuition?