Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 [Mod note 31-Aug-18]

bangkok

Hope martial starts again on left this weekend, lukaku up top and lingard on right

My predicted team for the weekend;

De Gea
Valencia Smalling Lindlelof Shaw
Fellani Pogba Herrera
Sanchez Lukaku Lingard

Some points:
Preference would be maybe give Dalot another shot to replace Valencia(might be too soon so risk)
Unsure if Fred or Herrera gets the nod to replace Matic but experience would dictate it would be Herrera
I can see the possibility of Jose maybe rewarding Martial for his goal to keep his confidance going so a bit of a throw up on who starts on the wing.
Sanchez still working hard but needs to improve from an attacking aspect.
Lingard has been doing a good job of carving open space so can see him being a solid option.

Is this televised by the way?

Cantona's Collars

Fred The Red wrote: »

My predicted team for the weekend;

De Gea
Valencia Smalling Lindlelof Shaw
Fellani Pogba Herrera
Sanchez Lukaku Lingard

Some points:
Preference would be maybe give Dalot another shot to replace Valencia(might be too soon so risk).

Is this televised by the way?

My 'friend' in America is watching on NBCSN.

Would you not prefer to see Valencia dance over the ball and pass it back than Dalot being adventurous and putting in decent crosses.:)

Miley Byrne

Fred The Red wrote: »

My predicted team for the weekend;

De Gea
Valencia Smalling Lindlelof Shaw
Fellani Pogba Herrera
Sanchez Lukaku Lingard

No chance of Sanchez playing on the right, why would Jose start trying that now?

S.M.B.

Sanzhez on the right and Lingard on the left!

Madness!

Trigger

S.M.B. wrote: »

Sanzhez on the right and Lingard on the left!

Madness!

I'm sure he meant them on the opposite side but confused himself

bangkok

jayo26 wrote: »

How many times does the one person have to give his opinion on the same player in the same game lol it's laughable.

Cantona's Collars

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

My 'friend' in America is watching on NBCSN.

Would you not prefer to see Valencia dance over the ball and pass it back than Dalot being adventurous and putting in decent crosses.:)

Oh I agree, can't stand Valencia
But Jose may go for experience

Miley Byrne

Miley Byrne wrote: »

No chance of Sanchez playing on the right, why would Jose start trying that now?

Just a mixup, astradave was on the ball

Kerrydude1981

Was impressed at times last night,thought it had the making of a tricky game for Utd but to be fair once the team settled and got the first goal they played well and killed it off in the second half ,

They moved the ball quickly and with two FB's that look threatening going forward its going to be interesting to see how the next month or so goes

pjohnson

bangkok wrote: »

Jesus christ we've broke Bangkok. Hes using gifs now :pac:

bangkok

pjohnson wrote: »

Jesus christ we've broke Bangkok. Hes using gifs now :pac:

If ya cant beat them, join them

limnam

bangkok wrote: »

'How Dalot impressed on United bow'

http://www.skysports.com/share/11502770

Dalot was excellent last night

It's strange how we rate different players different ways


Lind was put on his arse and he was the worst dfender on the planet


Valenica rockets his crosses off defenders or misjudges his crosses, worst defender on the planet.


Dalot gets put on his arse, misjudged a lot of crosses or hit the defender has an excellent night.


I guess overall result has an impact on it too I guess.

IncognitoMan

Dalot also put in a couple of crosses you could only dream of seeing Valencia hit

limnam

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Dalot also put in a couple of crosses you could only dream of seeing Valencia hit

Yep, no one's ever scored from a valencia cross.

IncognitoMan

limnam wrote: »

Yep, no one's ever scored from a valencia cross.

He used to be a good crosser. But it's a skill he has been steadily losing over the last few years. He's an unbelievably poor attacking outlet on the right now.

It's only one game from Dalot and it wasn't top level opposition but he put in a couple of crosses yesterday that I just don't believe valencia would have if we was on the pitch last night.

Get Shaw and Dalot delivering constant quality crosses for Lukaku to work with and I think we could go up a couple of gears.

Obviously Dalot is still untested against better players especially defensively so that's still up in the air but I'm at the very least hopeful after having seen him play.

Adamocovic

limnam wrote: »

It's strange how we rate different players different ways

Lind was put on his arse and he was the worst dfender on the planet

Valenica rockets his crosses off defenders or misjudges his crosses, worst defender on the planet.

Dalot gets put on his arse, misjudged a lot of crosses or hit the defender has an excellent night.

I guess overall result has an impact on it too I guess.

Suppose the beauty of football, or pretty much anything in life is our ability to view things differently.

Can't really comment on Lindelof or Valencia, they get criticisms for poor performances but don't know if people call them the worst defenders on the planet.

For Dalot, comes in at 19 making his debut for us, in the CL opener, away from home, has maybe one mistake or error all game and looked very bright. Going forward looked to offer us energy, only Martial completed more dribbles and he delivered some very nice crosses into the box.

I don't want to sound harsh here but surely you can't seriously not understand why a 19 year old making his first appearance for us, and the stage it was on, after having surgery on his knee not so long ago, would have his mistakes judged differently to a 33 year old who's played over 200 games for us.

If you weren't impressed or convinced by his performance at least take comfort in the knowledge that our manager was.

"It [Dalot performance] was a very good, solid performance after knee surgery. Everyone can see the potential and everyone could see he's a 19-year-old player who has more than 10 years to play for Manchester United," Mourinho said.

ElChe32

bangkok wrote: »

If ya cant beat them, join them

limnam

IncognitoMan wrote: »

He used to be a good crosser. But it's a skill he has been steadily losing over the last few years. He's an unbelievably poor attacking outlet on the right now.

It's only one game from Dalot and it wasn't top level opposition but he put in a couple of crosses yesterday that I just don't believe valencia would have if we was on the pitch last night.

Get Shaw and Dalot delivering constant quality crosses for Lukaku to work with and I think we could go up a couple of gears.

Obviously Dalot is still untested against better players especially defensively so that's still up in the air but I'm at the very least hopeful after having seen him play.

Dalot was fine, as was lind the day he was put on his arse


It's just funny how differently they were judged and i'd say it's down the fact we won, so no one cared.

limnam

Adamocovic wrote: »

Suppose the beauty of football, or pretty much anything in life is our ability to view things differently.

Can't really comment on Lindelof or Valencia, they get criticisms for poor performances but don't know if people call them the worst defenders on the planet.

For Dalot, comes in at 19 making his debut for us, in the CL opener, away from home, has maybe one mistake or error all game and looked very bright. Going forward looked to offer us energy, only Martial completed more dribbles and he delivered some very nice crosses into the box.

I don't want to sound harsh here but surely you can't seriously not understand why a 19 year old making his first appearance for us, and the stage it was on, after having surgery on his knee not so long ago, would have his mistakes judged differently to a 33 year old who's played over 200 games for us.

If you weren't impressed or convinced by his performance at least take comfort in the knowledge that our manager was.

I was impressed.

IncognitoMan

Oh and I'm also hopeful Lindelof will come good.

He probably needs a consistent defensive partner though. It's hard for the guy to get any understanding going when it's a pantership with 1 of 3 different people every couple of weeks.

But yeah give me Lindelof any day over going through the cycle of Jones again.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Oh and I'm also hopeful Lindelof will come good.

He probably needs a consistent defensive partner though. It's hard for the guy to get any understanding going when it's a pantership with 1 of 3 different people every couple of weeks.

But yeah give me Lindelof any day over going through the cycle of Jones again.

Not a fan of him at all. I'd take Rojo or anyone over Lindelof. So bad. He just isn't close to the level.

S.M.B.

Shaws' cross for Mata's chance that went narrowly wide was by far the "cross of the night" TM

bangkok

S.M.B. wrote: »

Shaws' cross for Mata's chance that went narrowly wide was by far the "cross of the night" TM

Dalots cross to lukaku where he was offside.

StringerBell

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Not a fan of him at all. I'd take Rojo or anyone over Lindelof. So bad. He just isn't close to the level.

I think lindelof may surprise a few this season.

StringerBell

bangkok wrote: »

Dalots cross to lukaku where he was offside.

Wasn't as good?

Strong, fast, think we are all surprised about how strong it was.

Great to see a right back with some attacking flair.

Lord TSC

Evra on League of their Own on Sky 1 now.

bangkok

I think i should trademark "he will surprise a few this season" #surprise

Ilovethe bonesofyou

bangkok wrote: »

I think i should trademark "he will surprise a few this season"

Slap a hashtag on it :pac:

IncognitoMan

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Not a fan of him at all. I'd take Rojo or anyone over Lindelof. So bad. He just isn't close to the level.

I think he needs that more experienced head along side him. Problem is we don't have a senior top class defender you can say is nailed on to be there week to week. Smalling and Jones should both be at that stage now but they aren't.

jimmytwotimes 2013

Lord TSC wrote: »

Evra on League of their Own on Sky 1 now.

Cannot watch that crap, even with Pat on it

Liam O

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Oh and I'm also hopeful Lindelof will come good.

He probably needs a consistent defensive partner though. It's hard for the guy to get any understanding going when it's a pantership with 1 of 3 different people every couple of weeks.

But yeah give me Lindelof any day over going through the cycle of Jones again.

I think Smalling may actually suit Lindelof. Smalling has always been played beside someone who is more of a hard hitting big tackling CB because Smalling seems like he is more like the Rio than the Vidic as such. I believe Smalling isn't great with the ball on the ground either with it or without it but his ability in the air is very good and he can get his head on a lot of things. Lindelof takes a lot of the pressure off him having to take the ball out and allows Smalling to focus a bit more on not being caught out of position as he is prone to. Didn't think I'd be saying this again but Smalling should be first choice with Lindelof going forward unless there is a calamity.

xtal191

https://twitter.com/Stirling061/status/1042875734157668352

hufpc8w3adnk65

Lord TSC wrote: »

Evra on League of their Own on Sky 1 now.

He was very funny

hufpc8w3adnk65

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Cannot watch that crap, even with Pat on it

Ah it’s not that bad... I wouldn’t call it compelling tv but at the same time it’s not that bad either

jayo26

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Cannot watch that crap, even with Pat on it

Ok so we can rule out that you watched league of their own two times in 2013....... the search goes on.

bangkok

Jose press conference starting soon..

Rossi IRL

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1043078887213871106?s=19

bangkok

Rossi IRL wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1043078887213871106?s=19

Was always going to be that way. Hopefully is a full 2nd 11 thats plays v derby

Rossi IRL

Rossi IRL wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1043078887213871106?s=19

As predicted. It makes sense to me to be honest.

The_Kew_Tour

Pogba stats will read something like this tomorrow

Goals 2
45% pass rate
0 interceptions
0 tackles
22 fouls
0 runs
O headers won
1 Yellow Card
Man of the Match

StringerBell

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Pogba stats will read something like this tomorrow

Goals 2
45% pass rate
0 interceptions
0 tackles
22 fouls
0 runs
O headers won
1 Yellow Card
Man of the Match

I'd take it

J. Marston

Wilfried Zaha has accused Man United of failing to give him adequate support after his £10 million transfer in 2013, admitting it led to depression...

“Obviously, getting to United isn’t easy, so not being given a chance is hard to take. I don’t regret anything because it made me stronger. I feel as though I can deal with anything now,” he said.

“I went through so much with United, with England. There were rumours that the reason I wasn’t playing for United was because I slept with David Moyes’s daughter, and no one attempted to clear that up. So I was fighting my demons by myself, these rumours that I knew weren’t true.

“I was dealing with this at 19; living in Manchester by myself, nowhere near anyone else, because the club had a hold over where I lived. They hadn’t given me a car, like every other player. Nothing. I’m living in this hell by myself, away from my family, and I thought: ‘If this doesn’t make me stronger, what will?’”

Mental health should be taken seriously but did he actually expect the club or someone else to come out with a statement denying that he rode Moyes daughter? Get real.

bangkok

J. Marston wrote: »

Wilfried Zaha has accused Man United of failing to give him adequate support after his £10 million transfer in 2013, admitting it led to depression...



Mental health should be taken seriously but did he actually expect the club or someone else to come out with a statement denying that he rode Moyes daughter? Get real.

The club can confirm that wilfred zaha didnt ride the hole off moyes daughter, but Wayne Rooney did

bucketybuck

J. Marston wrote: »

Mental health should be taken seriously but did he actually expect the club or someone else to come out with a statement denying that he rode Moyes daughter? Get real.

Why would it need to be an official statement?

It would have been trivial for the club to feed a quote to a journalist stating that any rumours that Moyes had a problem with Zaha were all untrue. No specifics needed to be mentioned at all, just get a friendly reporter to lob an easy question to Moyes about Zaha, one that he answers with a laugh and says that he gets on well with Wilfred and thinks it funny some of the stupid stories people are telling.

Zaha never said he wanted an official statement, and one wasn't needed anyway, there is plenty the club could do outside of that.

Rossi IRL

J. Marston wrote: »

“I was dealing with this at 19; living in Manchester by myself, nowhere near anyone else, because the club had a hold over where I lived. They hadn’t given me a car ,like every other player

He was probably on at least 30 to 40k per week.... ****ing boohoo Zaha, buy your own car.

The clubs had hold over where he lived? , I seriously doubt that they made him live in a certain house.

BazBox

Rossi IRL wrote: »

He was probably on at least 30 to 40k per week.... ****ing boohoo Zaha, buy your own car.

The clubs had hold over where he lived? , I seriously doubt that they made him live in a certain house.

In fairness, he did say like every other player, so they must have gotten cars and he didn't

Mitch Connor

Rossi IRL wrote: »

He was probably on at least 30 to 40k per week.... ****ing boohoo Zaha, buy your own car.

The clubs had hold over where he lived? , I seriously doubt that they made him live in a certain house.

why remove the second half of the quote?

"Like everyone else". IMO its an issue of how he was treated rather than him not having a car at all. All the senior players get a chevy car of choice.

Rossi IRL

Mitch Connor wrote: »

why remove the second half of the quote?

"Like everyone else". IMO its an issue of how he was treated rather than him not having a car at all. All the senior players get a chevy car of choice.

He wasn't some big name signing though...... Did Nick Powell or Bebe also get a new car when they signed?

Also I remember it coming out the Fergie banned the younger players from driving the sports models of the chevy cars that were available.

Mitch Connor

Rossi IRL wrote: »

He wasn't some big name signing though...... Did Nick Powell or Bebe also get a new car when they signed?

Also I remember it coming out the Fergie banned the younger players from driving the sports models of the chevy cars that were available.

Fergie wasn't at the club at the time.

IMO he is basically saying the club treated him like a youth team player (wrongly in his opinion), while he had made a relatively big money move to the club and there were a lot of eyes on him - while they also did nothing to protect him from rumours around why he wasn't playing.

He is talking about a general lack of support from the club for a kid who needed it.

The car thing stands out, but I think there is possibly a very important issue to look at there and it would be wrong to ignore it.