Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 [Mod note 31-Aug-18]

uncleoswald

brinty wrote: »

You know what really baffles me though ... Jose fell out with all these players over his almost 15 years in management.....

Take 26 years of Fergie and lets see who he's fallen out with
....

He also recognised how much the game had changed and how fragile modern footballers were. We don't have to like it but it's true. Ferguson said this 10 years ago and it's only gotten worse since. Can Jose adapt?

bangkok

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-team-vs-valencia-15223087

Would love to see this lineup tonight

Mitch Connor

bangkok wrote: »

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-team-vs-valencia-15223087

Would love to see this lineup tonight

Which one, there are a bunch.

brinty

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Which one, there are a bunch.

Schmichel
Neville
Stam
Johnsen
Irwin
Giggs
Beckham
Butt
Blomqvist
Yorke
Cole

#winninglineup

BazBox

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Which one, there are a bunch.

brinty

uncleoswald wrote: »

He also recognised how much the game had changed and how fragile modern footballers were. We don't have to like it but it's true. Ferguson said this 10 years ago and it's only gotten worse since. Can Jose adapt?

So Jose should just pander to a bunch of snow flake players and let them decide that fate of his employment... well ok

xtal191

Maybe we could get Pep after he's sacked for failing in the Champions League with City again :P

Zeek12

brinty wrote: »

You know what really baffles me though ... Jose fell out with all these players over his almost 15 years in management.....

Take 26 years of Fergie and lets see who he's fallen out with
Strachan
Leighton
Schmeichel (he sacked him)
Ince
Beckham
Keane
Ruud
Rooney
Stam

26 years of Fergie management as compared to about 7/8 years in which Jose has had major rows with players.

Not really an equal comparison.

Lets see how Long Jose's list is after 26 years of management (if he lasts)?

Many of these players you mention were past their best and needed to be moved on anyway.

Not quite the same as falling out with Pogba, Hazard, Ronaldo, Ramos, etc when at their peak.

Schmeichel fired by Fergie?
Wasn't aware of that?
Always thought that was the player's decision.

Leighton was error prone and had to be axed.

Keane dug his own grave. And was crocked by injury anyway.

Manager saw Ince as disruptive, so quickly and efficiently moved him out in the summer.
He wasn't really missed. We had Keane and an emerging Scholes, Beckham and Butt. And won the title that year.

Rooney created the rift by trying to force a move to City.
Fergie to his credit, repaired it and got one of his best seasons out of Wayne year after that.
2011/12 was his best ever goals tally in the PL.
Great management to put egos aside - and do whats best for the club.

RVN was passing his peak when sold. Real only really got two proper seasons from him.

I'm not really seeing the correlation in all this.

Trigger

[Deleted User] wrote: »

your gif is broken

Well technically a Gif doesnt need to be a moving picture..

Zeek12

Zeek12 wrote: »

26 years of Fergie management as compared to about 7/8 years in which Jose has had major rows with players.

Not really an equal comparison.

Lets see how Long Jose's list is after 26 years of management (if he lasts)?

Many of these players you mention were past their best and needed to be moved on anyway.

Not quite the same as falling out with Pogba, Hazard, Ronaldo, Ramos, etc when at their peak.

Schmeichel fired by Fergie?
Wasn't aware of that?
Always thought that was the player's decision.

Leighton was error prone and had to be axed.

Keane dug his own grave. And was crocked by injury anyway.

Manager saw Ince as disruptive, so quickly and efficiently moved him out in the summer.
He wasn't really missed. We had Keane and an emerging Scholes, Beckham and Butt. And win the title that year.

Rooney created the rift by trying to force a move to City.
Fergie to his credit, repaired it and got one of his best seasons out of Wayne year after that.
2011/12 was his best ever goals tally in the PL.
Great management to put egos aside - and do whats best for the club.

RVN was passing his peak when sold. Real only really got two proper seasons from him.

I'm not really seeing the correlation in this

Weather warranted or not if Pogba had been mouthing to the press like he has done under Fergie he'd be out the door under him

astradave

astradave wrote: »

Well technically a Gif doesnt need to be a moving picture..

O really whoops honestly did not know that

uncleoswald

brinty wrote: »

So Jose should just pander to a bunch of snow flake players and let them decide that fate of his employment... well ok

Because that's what I said...

brinty

Zeek12 wrote: »

26 years of Fergie management as compared to about 7/8 years in which Jose has had major rows with players.

Not really an equal comparison.

Lets see how Long Jose's list is after 26 years of management (if he lasts)?

Many of these players you mention were past their best and needed to be moved on anyway.

Not quite the same as falling out with Pogba, Hazard, Ronaldo, Ramos, etc when at their peak.

Schmeichel fired by Fergie?
Wasn't aware of that?
Always thought that was the player's decision.

Leighton was error prone and had to be axed.

Keane dug his own grave. And was crocked by injury anyway.

Manager saw Ince as disruptive, so quickly and efficiently moved him out in the summer.
He wasn't really missed. We had Keane and an emerging Scholes, Beckham and Butt. And won the title that year.

Rooney created the rift by trying to force a move to City.
Fergie to his credit, repaired it and got one of his best seasons out of Wayne year after that.
2011/12 was his best ever goals tally in the PL.
Great management to put egos aside - and do whats best for the club.

RVN was passing his peak when sold. Real only really got two proper seasons from him.

I'm not really seeing the correlation in all this.

The correlation is all players fall out with managers and vice versa. Doesn't matter if its you or I in our daily job or Fergie/Jose as manager of a football club.

Also players love managers in more cases but that seems to have been lost on you. I mentioned that balance is a very important thing rather than the cherry picking many love to make to validate their own point.

Obviously you're not a true supporter as the vast majority know Fergie fired Schmeichel after a 3-3 draw at Liverpool in 93/94 after the big dane let rip at him. Schmeichel went into the team room and apologised to the team and said his good byes with Fergie standing out side the team room door.

brinty

Deleted User wrote: »

Weather warranted or not if Pogba had been mouthing to the press like he has done under Fergie he'd be out the door under him

Well said mate

irishman86

Bandana boy wrote: »

Wow its a bit early to be comparing this Liverpool team to the invincible's as impressive as their unbeaten start has been.

Dont worry i didnt

Zeek12

brinty wrote: »

Obviously you're not a true supporter as the vast majority know Fergie fired Schmeichel after a 3-3 draw at Liverpool in 93/94 after the big dane let rip at him. Schmeichel went into the team room and apologised to the team and said his good byes with Fergie standing out side the team room door.

I'm obviously a a more interested fan than you mate.

Peter Schmeichel left United in 1999. Fact.

Are you trying to deny the multiple trophies he won at Old Trafford between 94 and 99?

Did you see the 99 Champions league final?

brinty

Zeek12 wrote: »

I'm obviously a a more interested fan than you mate.

Peter Schmeichel left United in 1999. Fact.

Are you trying to deny the multiple trophies he won at Old Trafford between 94 and 99?

Did you see the 99 Champions league final?

So obviously you're unaware of the story so here's multiple sources on it

MEN
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fergie-once-sacked-schmeichel-1129583

Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/3002537/Ferguson-sacked-Schmeichel-over-Anfield-row.html

Independent
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/when-ferguson-sacked-schmeichel-26089166.html

Maybe checked this thing called the internet before jumping head long into something... without having all the facts...

Schmeichel loves telling the story at every after dinner speech he does.

Shanotheslayer

Zeek12 wrote: »

I'm obviously a a more interested fan than you mate.

Peter Schmeichel left United in 1999. Fact.

Are you trying to deny the multiple trophies he won at Old Trafford between 94 and 99?

Did you see the 99 Champions league final?

This did not end well for you.

Zeek12

brinty wrote: »

So obviously you're unaware of the story so here's multiple sources on it

MEN
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fergie-once-sacked-schmeichel-1129583

Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/3002537/Ferguson-sacked-Schmeichel-over-Anfield-row.html

Independent
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/when-ferguson-sacked-schmeichel-26089166.html

Maybe checked this thing called the internet before jumping head long into something... without having all the facts...

Schmeichel loves telling the story at every after dinner speech he does.

Ah Come on.

There's a difference between an amusing after dinner-anecdote.....and the facts.

He was the United keeper from 1991 to 1999.
Winning numerous titles, up to and including 1999.

He was the team captain in the 99 Champions league final.
Man United vs Bayern.

He decided to leave himself in the summer of 99. It was the player's decision.
He was not sacked by the manager.

Its amazing how little some people on here know about the club they claim to support!!

jayo26

Zeek12 wrote: »

Ah Come on.

There's a difference between an amusing after dinner-anecdote.....and the facts.

He was the United keeper from 1991 to 1999.
Winning numerous titles, up to and including 1999.

He was the team captain in the 99 Champions league final.
Man United vs Bayern.

He decided to leave himself in the summer of 99. It was the player's decision.
He was not sacked by the manager.

Its amazing how little some people on here know about the club they claim to support!!

Think the biggest difference is you hadn't a clue ha.

xtal191

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1047180860489945088

S.M.B.

I thought Sanchez was never going to play for united again? I can't believe the Sun lied to me (and the MEN had no problem passing the bullsh*t story on)!!!!

Valencia

Sigh

Necro

Prediction for tonight:

This thread hits the 10k mark.

Oh... sorry - there's a match on

How Soon Is Now

So bascially everyone Jose has issue with according to the press starts tonight!

Mad isn't it.

How did he tell Valencia he was starting if they aren't talking.

Must have passed him a note I guess

Zeek12

jayo26 wrote: »

Think the biggest difference is you hadn't a clue ha.

Well, I had read that story before, but didn't pay much heed to it.

In fairness he wasn't fired, it was just a heated disagreement.

Apologies Brinty if I picked you up wrong.
Thought you were referring to Schmeichel leaving the club in 99.

At least they handled that disagreement behind closed doors. :pac:
No arguing in the media there!

dulux99

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How did he tell Valencia he was starting if they aren't talking.

Must have passed him a note I guess

I doubt every player needs to be individually spoken to in order for them to learn they're playing.

brinty

Deleted User wrote: »

How did he tell Valencia he was starting if they aren't talking.

Must have passed him a note I guess

I mean i can't believe he's not talking to Valencia but tony is still captain!!!!

This defies logic...

Drumpot

xtal191 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1047180860489945088

Isn’t that a who’s who of basically all the players who Jose has supposedly fallen out with?

Either Jose is trolling the players he hates or the media has been trolling united fans.

I feel like somebody’s being trolled here...

uncleoswald

While I'm happy to see Fellaini in there as he always gives his all I was hoping we'd see Fred alongside Pogba and Matic. I thought we had assembled a 200mil midfield trio that complimented each other but they rarely play together.

Kerrydude1981

Deleted User wrote: »

How did he tell Valencia he was starting if they aren't talking.

Must have passed him a note I guess

Must have a put up a message on the Whats App group

The_Kew_Tour

Not talking to half the squad I thought? Hmmm

Drumpot

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Not talking to half the squad I thought? Hmmm

I suppose their performance will possibly clarify it .....

dulux99

dulux99 wrote: »

I doubt every player needs to be individually spoken to in order for them to learn they're playing.

I suppose they just post the team on the wats app group, and give em no instructions just to have fun

Kerrydude1981

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Must have a put up a message on the Whats App group

Ha beat me to it

Necro

Deleted User wrote: »

I suppose they just post the team on the wats app group, and give em no instructions just to have fun

Why are you mocking my FM tactics

Probably explains why I'm sacked after 6 months each game :pac:

Pogba getting ripped in too on RTE

No massages given

Necrominus

Necrominus wrote: »

Why are you mocking my FM tactics

Probably explains why I'm sacked after 6 months each game :pac:

You need to be tougher on them dude.

tinpib

Fred The Red wrote: »

Pogba getting ripped in too on RTE

Good enormous for him

:pac:

On Bt Sport they said that United only just arrived at the ground, maybe 5 mins ago, think it was due to work going on near the stadium?

Kerrydude1981

Bus was late,thats not good enough

Jose not talking to the bus driver now

dulux99

Jose is a petulant child. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he's not speaking to half the side. It's not like he's inviting them to his birthday party, he names the side and that side go out and play. There's a famous story onetime where Martin O'Neill named three wingers in one of his Ireland teams and Aiden McGeady said himself and the other two wingers were deliberating amongst themselves about who was going to play where.

bangkok

Man utd have only just arrived at the stadium!!

StringerBell

Refreshing to see some honest assessments of pogba on rte no less!

xtal191

xtal191 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1047180860489945088

Giggs isn't on the bench

Must have fell out with Jose

Kerrydude1981

Most stupid question there to Matic

"Is the dressing room with the boss?"

Was he really going to say no like

StringerBell

tinpib wrote: »

:pac:

On Bt Sport they said that United only just arrived at the ground, maybe 5 mins ago, think it was due to work going on near the stadium?

That's some ****ing joke to be honest

dulux99

tinpib wrote: »

:pac:

On Bt Sport they said that United only just arrived at the ground, maybe 5 mins ago, think it was due to work going on near the stadium?

Don't clubs this size has specific staff members to manage logistics? How didn't they know about this beforehand? Christ above.

Adamocovic

Fred The Red wrote: »

Pogba getting ripped in too on RTE

No massages given

Same RTE who had a certain someone calling Ronaldo a con :pac:

Good entertainment but I pay little to their opinions, as stupid and up myself that may sound.

StringerBell

The Valencia team managed to get there on time like.

Not the preparation you want.