Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 [Mod note 31-Aug-18]

Mitch Connor

More annoyed to see pereira out of the match day squad.

Mr.H

Andrew Beef wrote:

It is pure sensationalism to include wages alongside a transfer fee.

Yea your right wages are not real anyway. Sure you might as well not include the transfer fee when saying how much a player cost either.

How much youll make in merch is guess work. How much you are legally obliged to pay in wages is not. How much a player costs depends on transfer fee agent fee sign on fees bonuses and of course wages. Pretending it doesnt include those is simplification at its worst.

If messi signed for man city for 75 million, would that just be written as the same as what it cost liverpool for vvd or united for pogba? Or would you have to take his 1 million a week wages into consideration?

Of course wages matter.

Adamocovic

Mitch Connor wrote: »

More annoyed to see pereira out of the match day squad.

Seemed unfair. He definitely deserved a spot at least on the bench.

Mitch Connor

Porthallian wrote: »

Clearly he does trust Smalling and Jones since they have replaced his 2 CB signings after last week's disaster

Or trusts them more than the two that were shocking last week.

Bailly and Lindelöf started the season over smalling so clearly he trusted them more than smalling then, going by your logic.

He has a bunch of players he doesn't trust. Players he doesn't trust will play cause he has to play them.

Trigger

Still reckon it’s 352 with Matic in the middle

Mitch Connor

Mr.H wrote: »

Yea your right wages are not real anyway. Sure you might as well not include the transfer fee when saying how much a player cost either.

How much youll make in merch is guess work. How much you are legally obliged to pay in wages is not. How much a player costs depends on transfer fee agent fee sign on fees bonuses and of course wages. Pretending it doesnt include those is simplification at its worst.

If messi signed for man city for 75 million, would that just be written as the same as what it cost liverpool for vvd or united for pogba? Or would you have to take his 1 million a week wages into consideration?

Of course wages matter.

No one is saying they don't matter. If you don't want to discuss the actual point just stop posting this nonsense..

Rossi IRL

astradave wrote: »

Still reckon it’s 352 with Matic in the middle

5311

Mitch Connor

Rossi IRL wrote: »

5311

Lingard will probably be man marking KT.

Whatsisname

Incredibly frustrating to see Pereira dropped along with seeing Smalling/Jones start.

Porthallian

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Or trusts them more than the two that were shocking last week.

Bailly and Lindelöf started the season over smalling so clearly he trusted them more than smalling then, going by your logic.

He has a bunch of players he doesn't trust. Players he doesn't trust will play cause he has to play them.

In fairness Bailly was fantastic last season and should be still in the team regardless of one poor game. Lindelof is still looking abysmal.

Bailly/Smalling would be my choice. Jones too error prone.

Adamocovic

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Or trusts them more than the two that were shocking last week.

Bailly and Lindelöf started the season over smalling so clearly he trusted them more than smalling then, going by your logic.

He has a bunch of players he doesn't trust. Players he doesn't trust will play cause he has to play them.

I think José is a fan of Jones but was hoping Lindelof and Bailly would come good.

He tends to praise Jones, my issue is Jones is normally pushed out to left CB when Smalling plays, as Smalling isn't comfortable there, unless that changes tonight.

Jones will give it his all but when he plays on the left of the pairing I do have concerns of the odd mistake. But key thing is hell give his all, something José wants.

beno619

Headshot wrote: »

Sigh it's very hard for a CB pairing to gel if your not going to consistently play them

What makes it worse your replacing them with players who shouldn't be starting these big games too.

I fear tonight

Agreed on your first point. Disagree on your second.

Andrew Beef

Don’t laugh, but most players get a £1,000 a month accommodation allowance; should that be included alongside the transfer fee too?

the whole year inn

No martial at all,is there a fallout there,have i missed something.

Mr.H

Mitch Connor wrote:

No one is saying they don't matter. If you don't want to discuss the actual point just stop posting this nonsense..

Noone is saying what now?

Andrew Beef wrote:

It is pure sensationalism to include wages alongside a transfer fee.

So this isnt nonsense?

Mitch Connor

Porthallian wrote: »

In fairness Bailly was fantastic last season and should be still in the team regardless of one poor game. Lindelof is still looking abysmal.

Bailly/Smalling would be my choice. Jones too error prone.

His injury record, particularly around the west brom game are seemingly huge black marks against him

Tough to say he was brilliant when he barely put a run of games together.

Adamocovic

Porthallian wrote: »

In fairness Bailly was fantastic last season and should be still in the team regardless of one poor game. Lindelof is still looking abysmal.

Bailly/Smalling would be my choice. Jones too error prone.

Like I said in the above, Jones is less error prone in my mind when playing on the right of the pair, the position he's more suited too.

When he and Bailly teamed up it was my favorite of the pairings.

Trigger

the whole year inn wrote: »

No martial at all,is there a fallout there,have i missed something.

Where have you been the last two years..

Andrew Beef

Porthallian wrote: »

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Or trusts them more than the two that were shocking last week.

Bailly and Lindelöf started the season over smalling so clearly he trusted them more than smalling then, going by your logic.

He has a bunch of players he doesn't trust. Players he doesn't trust will play cause he has to play them.

In fairness Bailly was fantastic last season and should be still in the team regardless of one poor game. Lindelof is still looking abysmal.

Bailly/Smalling would be my choice. Jones too error prone.

Bailly hardly played last season; do you mean the season before that?

the whole year inn

the whole year inn wrote: »

No martial at all,is there a fallout there,have i missed something.

He's been brutal, deserved to be dropped

Mitch Connor

Mr.H wrote: »

Noone is saying what now?



So this isnt nonsense?

Yes. A transfer fee is separate from wages. For everyone except United it seems.

They are both costs on the club, but both SEPARATE costs.

pjohnson

Andrew Beef wrote: »

Don’t laugh, but most players get a £1,000 a month accommodation allowance; should that be included alongside the transfer fee too?

They are also costing the club with whatever portions they take from the canteen.

the whole year inn

astradave wrote: »

Where have you been the last two years..

But not even the bench .

Mr.H

Andrew Beef wrote:

Don’t laugh, but most players get a £1,000 a month accommodation allowance; should that be included alongside the transfer fee too?

So lets say two players went for 10 million.

Player a is going to get 20k a week and player b is going to get 200k a week.

Your saying those transfers are the same because both cost 10 million?

DM_7

Bailly was injured preseason, maybe that is why he is out now, Jones and Smalling ready to go? Lindelof needed to be dropped.

Happy with the team. Only change would be Sanchez but he was injured last week so might be better to keep him back.

Matic, Ander, Lingard should stop the lacklustre attitude anyway.

Trigger

the whole year inn wrote: »

But not even the bench .

His running stats didn’t make for good reading against Brighton. Deserved to be dropped completely

pjohnson

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yes. A transfer fee is separate from wages. For everyone except United it seems.

They are both costs on the club, but both SEPARATE costs.

Its fcukin hilarious.

pjohnson

astradave wrote: »

His running stats didn’t make for good reading against Brighton. Deserved to be dropped completely

Wait he ran against Brighton?

Andrew Beef

Mr.H wrote: »

Andrew Beef wrote:

Don’t laugh, but most players get a £1,000 a month accommodation allowance; should that be included alongside the transfer fee too?

So lets say two players went for 10 million.

Player a is going to get 20k a week and player b is going to get 200k a week.

Your saying those transfers are the same because both cost 10 million?

In any world other than “Bizarro Let’s Discredit Manchester United World”, the transfer fee is “what a player cost”. Wages only get added in to sensationalise the story. It has always been thus; Roy Keane cost United £3.75m, Shearer cost Newcastle £15m, Ronaldo cost Real Madrid £80m. Should the insurance premiums (which are hefty) be included too?

Mr.H

Mitch Connor wrote:

They are both costs on the club, but both SEPARATE costs.

No they are not. Both are costs to bring the asset to the club. You cant buy a player without one of those costs being incurred.

You, You just said noone is pretending wages dont count and now your saying this.

No such thing as a free signing.

You can pretend ibra cost united nothing all you want but its far from true

Porthallian

Mitch Connor wrote: »

His injury record, particularly around the west brom game are seemingly huge black marks against him

Tough to say he was brilliant when he barely put a run of games together.

When fit, which he is at present he's our best CB in my opinion

Mitch Connor

Mr.H wrote: »

So lets say two players went for 10 million.

Player a is going to get 20k a week and player b is going to get 200k a week.

Your saying those transfers are the same because both cost 10 million?

What if the guy on 20k gets a new contract after 12 months, do we now add the new wages to his old transfer fee or is it it still reported that he cost 10million.

How much is it reported shaqiri cost? 12million? Or 15 or 20 million?

Is VVD reported at 75 million or 100mullion or 125million?

How about matip? Is he reported as a free transfer or 5million or 10million?

Mitch Connor

Porthallian wrote: »

When fit, which he is at present he's our best CB in my opinion

Not disagreeing really. Just pointing out the reality.

limnam

StringerBell wrote: »

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No it was the magical figure reached by including some transfer fees, some but not all wages and signing on fees (very important) and the cost of the extra seats for the new players wasn't?

First of all, I retracted the figure. As I have no way to prove anything.


If you take in the 4 signings we know about that's 110m.


Sure we can put our head in the sand and say Sanchez didn't manage to to extract anything else and his cost was 0. It's 110m.


As I said even forgetting about anything else.


That's not something a management team spend when they're not going to back you.


If you want to consider this trolling. Shrug.

Mr.H

Ok so we have learnt that wages in fact dont exist and cost the clubs nothing. Cool.

Juat dont tell my boss ffs

Zeek12

the whole year inn wrote: »

But not even the bench .

With the formation/selection tonight, we only have one out-and-out attacker on the pitch.
So that puts both Sanchez and Rashford as subs.

Not really surprising Martial excluded.

He wasn't going to put 3 attackers on the bench.

Trigger

limnam wrote: »

First of all, I retracted the figure. As I have no way to prove anything.


If you take in the 4 signings we know about that's 110m.


Sure we can put our head in the sand and say Sanchez didn't manage to to extract anything else and his cost was 0. It's 110m.


As I said even forgetting about anything else.


That's not something a management team spend when they're not going to back you.


If you want to consider this trolling. Shrug.

Give us your figures for this 4 so?

pjohnson

Mr.H wrote: »

Ok so we have learnt that wages in fact dont exist and cost the clubs nothing. Cool.

Juat dont tell my boss ffs

Maybe you missed when I said it earlier 99.9% of the time when it is said a footballer "cost X" it is relating to the transfer fee.

Trigger

Mr.H wrote: »

Ok so we have learnt that wages in fact dont exist and cost the clubs nothing. Cool.

Juat dont tell my boss ffs

How much did VVD cost Liverpool

Porthallian

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Not disagreeing really. Just pointing out the reality.

Reality of his injury record? Fair enough but you should start your best players was my point. Regardless of 1 bad game. Majority of the team had a stinker last week.

limnam

astradave wrote: »

Give us your figures for this 4 so?

They're public.


Fred/Dal/Grant/Miki's AMV. = 110m


I didn't realize that much was disputed.

Mitch Connor

Mr.H wrote: »

Ok so we have learnt that wages in fact dont exist and cost the clubs nothing. Cool.

Juat dont tell my boss ffs

No. What we've proven is your are unable to actually discuss a point or understand context.

Can't expect everyone to understand even things as simple as transfer fees and wages are different things. It's clearly beyond some people, like yourself.

Andrew Beef

Sanchez “cost” the market value of Mhkitarian, no more and no less.

Spideog Rua

Game starts in 25 mins and they're still talking about City Wolves

limnam

Andrew Beef wrote: »

Sanchez “cost” the market value of Mhkitarian, no more and no less.

If that's true, its about 40 mil + the 70 spent = 110m


That's not backing a manager?


What is it? Freezing him out?

Trigger

astradave wrote: »

How much did VVD cost Liverpool

I’ll let you answer this one

Mr.H wrote:

The difference is we sign players that fit the club. So Matip was free, he is what was wanted. VVD cost 75 million. Doesnt matter he is what was wanted.

The difference is other clubs sign big names to appease sponsors. We sign players we need.........................

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105662468&postcount=595

pjohnson

astradave wrote: »

I’ll let you answer this one



https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105662468&postcount=595

Wow VVD isn't getting any wages at all :pac:

Andrew Beef

limnam wrote: »

Andrew Beef wrote: »

Sanchez “cost” the market value of Mhkitarian, no more and no less.

If that's true, its about 40 mil + the 70 spent = 110m


That's not backing a manager?


What is it? Freezing him out?

He wasn’t worth £40m...he signed for what, £28m or thereabouts, and had been average at best. I would have said £20m.

Mitch Connor

pjohnson wrote: »

Wow VVD isn't getting any wages at all :pac:

Surely not, the revenue insist a player gets paid.

limnam

Andrew Beef wrote: »

He wasn’t worth £40m...he signed for what, £28m or thereabouts, and had been average at best. I would have said £20m.

was 42 mil euro.